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I just ran across this story on the Forth-Worth Star Telegram website:
The Associated Press-Meet the latest children's author, Sen. Ted Kennedy, and his Portuguese water dog, Splash, his co-protagonist in My Senator and Me: A Dogs-Eye View of Washington, D.C.
Now, does anyone else think it's rather ironic that Ted Kennedy would have a dog named "Splash" and that it would be "water dog"?
Was "splash" the sound that Mary Jo made when the car went into the river? And where was his water-dog when he drove his car off the bridge and forgot he had a passenger until a few days later?
The irony of it all......
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First, you need to get your facts in order. Kennedy did NOT delay the information that he had driven into the water and that girl was in the car. Where did you ever come up with the lie that he hid or tried to hide the fact?
The Irony is that backward right wingers are trying to change the subject from a vice president that tried to hide the fact that he was drunk and shot someone. I bet he had a cell phone in his pocket. He only had to use it. Then too he was surrounded by people to help. Kennedy was alone, with no means of communication or transportation. I'd bet on long odds the people with Chaney didn't notify anyone on orders from Cheney.
Alone, without the aid and assistance of a team of Secret Service people or anyone else, you are out in the wilds in days long before portable communication devices were imagined, when, suddenly, in the dark, you find yourself in a sinking car.
Are you suggesting Kennedy could have notified someone and didn't and such notification would have saved that girl's life? Notified whom? How? Cheney had a way to notifi whomever he wanted. Kennedy did not.
How many times would you have dived back into the warters and tried to pull that girl out before she drowned? Should he have run down the road in the dark shouting "Help, help, help"? What would that have accomplished? What options were available to Kennedy? Oh, I know, he could have magically refused to give her a ride in the first place.
Are you really that big a fool or just that big a hater of the Kennedys and that obedient a soldier of the extreme right wing?
Get real. Try honesty. You'd have been in exactly the same fix as Kennedy. So get off the high horse idiocy!
I've never been much of a fan of the Kennedys, but this sort of slander you are carrying on is sickening.
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The "lie" came directly from Kennedy's speach of 25 July 1969.
He left the party at 11:15, drove into the stream shortly therafter. Walked back to the party, returned to the accident site shortly after midnight, left for the ferry, swam across the channel and returned to his hotel room at 2 am. He then went to bed.
He did not report the accident until after making a phone call to his attorney in the morning.
He also pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident.
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What you have supplied is not a lie. It is a collection of intentional lies. He did NOT do as you misreport and did not say what you say he did.
Let's look at his actual words from the link you provided rather than the falsities you claim are there.
"When I left the party, around 11:15 P.M., I was accompanied by one of these girls, Miss Mary Jo Kopechne.
There is not truth, not truth whatever, to the widely circulated suspicions of immoral conduct that have been leveled at my behavior and hers regarding that evening. Nor was I driving under the influence of liquor.
Little over one mile away, the car that I was driving ... went off a narrow bridge ... overturned in a deep pond and immediately filled with water.
I made immediate and repeated efforts to save Mary Jo...., but succeeded only in increasing my state of utter exhaustion and alarm.
Instead of looking directly for a telephone after lying exhausted in the grass for an undetermined time, I walked back to the cottage where the party was being held and requested the help of two friends, my cousin, Joseph Gargan and Phil Markham, and directed them to return immediately to the scene with me -- this was sometime after midnight -- in order to undertake a new effort to dive down and locate Miss Kopechne.
Instructing Gargan and Markham not to alarm Mary Jo's friends that night, I had them take me to the ferry crossing.
The ferry having shut down for the night, I suddenly jumped into the water and impulsively swam across, nearly drowning once again in the effort, and returned to my hotel about 2 A.M. and collapsed in my room.
In the morning, with my mind somewhat more lucid, I made an effort to call a family legal advisor, Burke Marshall, from a public telephone on the Chappaquiddick side of the ferry and belatedly reported the accident to the Martha's Vineyard police.
Today, as I mentioned, I felt morally obligated to plead guilty to the charge of leaving the scene of an accident."
You would have us believe that Kennedy did nothing but forget the matter and partied until he finally reported it on direction of his attorney. That is a viscious and sick reportiung of a lie concocted by people like you.
Note that he had no access to a phone to call and report the accident until he swam the channel to the other side.
I can well see that, with a concussion and several hours of trying to dive for the woman and then having to swim the channel, he probably could have been so exausted he passed out asleep, exactly as he reported.
Had he waited to take the ferry, the accident would have been unreporeted even longer, as the ferry would not have gotten him back to a phone until much later than 10 hours after the accident.
Chaney had a phone in his pocket and a collection of Secret Service personnel and friends there, all with access to a phone.
Chaney was drunk and shot the guy. Then, he conspired to keep the authorities from finding out until he could pass a sobriety test, all while he had direct and immediate means to report a matter that the law is required to be reported immediately.
As to Kennedy saying he left the scene of an accident, how else was he supposed to report the accident? Do you suggest he should have sat on the side of the wather until someone came and found him? What wouuld that have accomplished?
So get off the Party line hatefullness and grow up.
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Kennedy returned to his hotel at 2:00, didn't make the phone call until sometime after 9:00, that's 7 hours that he did have access to a phone yet didn't use it.
"Chaney was drunk and shot the guy. Then, he conspired to keep the authorities from finding out until he could pass a sobriety test, all while he had direct and immediate means to report a matter that the law is required to be reported immediately."
ROTHFLMAO, and you accuse me of misreporting, making a collection of lies and implications.
That entire paragraph of yours is nothing but a lie.
What I as a reasonable person expect Kennedy to have done is as soon as he recovered from the accident, to go to the nearest location of a phone and/or another vehicle so he could contact emergency personel to try and help the girl. It matters not if she were alive or dead, that is what a reasonable person does. He was charged with leaving the scene because he did not report it immediately, but waited until the following morning.
Cheney on the other hand got immediate medical care for his friend and made sure he was taken care of.
You seriously need to follow your own advice:
"So get off the Party line hatefullness and grow up."
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Either you are too poor a reader to find the truth or too poor a thinker to comprehend.
Or both.
You are after all, as you have repeatly shown in the past, incapable of distinguishing truth from the fiction generated by the far right wing evangelical Republican's, that is, the American Nazi Party.
You silly ignorant fool.
Go listen to your recordings of Fat Rush the Doper and Pat Robertson the Preacher of Assassines and Bigots.
Chaney got drunk and shot the guy and you want to cover it up.
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You've got to be joking, that is the only explanation I can find for your rantings.
I misreported NOTHING, I can go point by point with Kennedy's speach and what I said. The only thing which is not in his speech is the 10 hours and that was picked up from police reports.
You once again describe yourself when you say
"Either you are too poor a reader to find the truth or too poor a thinker to comprehend.
Or both."
"Cheney got drunk" That's a good one. Where's your proof? Sorry, I forgot you are "incapable of distinguishing truth from the fiction" The official sheriffs department report stated alcohol was not involved. Try again.
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Chief Deputy Gilberto San Miguel Jr. was the investigating officer who interviewed the hunt participants and investicated the accident scene.
He was contacted by Sheriff Ramon Salinas III, a Democrat, at 6:30 Saturday, within an hour of the shooting, and told to report to the Armstrong Ranch on 8 am Sunday to conduct interviews and investigate the scene.
After conducting the investigation, it has been determined that no charges will be filed.
Comparisons:
Cheney - immediate assistance provided, victim taken to hospital, authorities notified within an hour of the accident.
Kennedy - an attempt to help victim, authorities not notified for 10 hours after the accident.
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one thing... its hard to believe that Kennedy wasnt drinking at a party.. one more thing.. why didnt he use the phone when he went back to the party?..He said he didnt want to alarm her friends?.. Doesnt sound right to me... Their friend is lying at the bottom of a river..at least call police to the scene..
Now i'm not a party line guy, this has nothing to do with politics here, just the difference tween right and wrong. I remember at the time, this was a highly suspicious and reported event... the Kennedys had a HUGH amount of power... what really happened to Marilyn?
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Here is some half-truths and misrepresentations:
"Chief Deputy Gilberto San Miguel Jr. was the investigating officer who interviewed the hunt participants and investicated the accident scene."
"He was contacted by Sheriff Ramon Salinas III, a Democrat, at 6:30 Saturday, within an hour of the shooting, and told to report to the Armstrong Ranch on 8 am Sunday to conduct interviews and investigate the scene."
In an interview Sunday afternoon, the Kennedy County Sheriff stated that neither he nor his office had been informed of the shooting before Armstrong called Sunday. He also stated that the secret service had refused to allow his office to perform a sobriety test.
On Sunday afternoon,Chief Deputy Gilberto San Miguel Jr., stated, in an interview while siting in his car at the ranch where Cheney shot the man, and speaking into a microphone held by a reporter, that he first heard of the event when he was told that day to go to the ranch and check on what they had been told was a hunting accident. He did NOT say he had been previously informed of the event, instead responded that he had not when asked.
Comparisons:
Cheney stood by while others tried to help and demanded that the incident be hidden from the public and law inforcement, even though he had phones and a crew of aides at the scene. Cheney claims that after others had taken his victim to the hospital, he went to check on him, bur never bothered to contact law enforcement, though he was nearby at the hospital and could have done so. (Maybe still drunk and stinking of alcohol?)
Kennedy's choise was to personally endanger his own life by trying to rescue the woman. He had no means of notifyine anyone without leaving the accident scene and the island.
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Why don't I like the Kennedy's? I have a good reason most people don't even consider...
Robert Kennedy was Joseph McCarthy's right hand man during the communist witch-hunt in the 50's. How anybody in their right mind could be a part of something that evil is beyond my comprehension.
Getting back to the story... everything Aragorn posted was accurate according to Kennedy's own account of the story!!! He's not making any lies up, this is straight from the horses mouth!
Anyway, I just think it's rather amusing that he's got a dog named Splash and that it's a water dog. Sigmund Frued would have a blast with this one!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Team Sleep: Why don't I like the Kennedy's? I have a good reason most people don't even consider...
Robert Kennedy was Joseph McCarthy's right hand man during the communist witch-hunt in the 50's. How anybody in their right mind could be a part of something that evil is beyond my comprehension.
Getting back to the story... everything Aragorn posted was accurate according to Kennedy's own account of the story!!! He's not making any lies up, this is straight from the horses mouth!
Anyway, I just think it's rather amusing that he's got a dog named Splash and that it's a water dog. Sigmund Frued would have a blast with this one!!!
i'm with you TS....
it is ironic, hard to laugh about the dead girl part tho...
i am also amused at the irony that people really see a difference between the kennedys and the Bush's, and of course now the Cheneys have "bulled" their way into the ring.... accidents happen...
how you deal with them after is what defines your character...
the press is who has "dogged" Cheney thru all of this, and they have the right to..
in the end? the press is the only "police" over the politicians...
liberal or conservative? it don't matter... if they don't ask the hard questions? nobody will or can....
Cheney has "played" the press since he got in office...
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Everything he posted was half truths and far right wing propaganda talking points and rantings from Fat Rush the Doper.
According to Kennedy's own account and the evidence from years of investigation by qualified persons (as opposed to the laundred and out of context BS and twisted hate material Aragone uses from the radical right wing christian Nazi hate groups), Kennedy had no way to report his accident.
Cheney not only had a chance and the means to immediately report that he shot someone, but chose to not bother and to hide the facts that he had been drinking and shot someone.
No, nothing aragun reports is reliable, as has repeatedly been shown here when he has time and again claimed to have proof of statements and when that was demonstrated to be false, denied he had falsly reported his BS as fact. He is and always has been on a campaign here to misinform and attack specific persons here....exactly that and nothing else. Note that he has NEVER posted at Allstocks except to that end, i.e., he is troublemaker sent in by far right wing propaganda mongers ( and I suspect paid to do so).
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Ted Kennedy, in his report, states that after he escaped from the wreck, sat on the grass for awhile, and that he then went back to the party.
He says he went back to the party, got two of his friends, and they went back to the scene of the accident.
So, are you saying there was no telephone where the party was happening? Of course there was. He did have a way to report the accident. Plus, when he got back to the party, they could have drove to the police station.
There are so many holes in Kennedy's own account of what happened. That is why this story continues to be talked about and debated 30 years later!!!
30 years from now, no one will be debating the Cheney shooting. But I guarantee you, they will still be debating the Kennedy story.
You talk about spewing party lines... but how can you deny the evils this family has been involved with?
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You are an evil man for hating instead of forgiving. Even were what you profess were true or close to it, you should learn to forgive and have some respect for your religion. At least stop smearing it with your hateful attitude. Declare yourself a non-christian so the stain you bring on it will discolor something else.
You don't know anything about any of the Kennedys that you haven't gathered from far right wing hate groups and expressly for the purpose of furthur spreading hate. Why has it become acceptable for supposed christians to ignore the teachings and act exactly as they have been told not to?
You are a very selfish and sick person.
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Oh, so it's right wing propaganda that Bobby Kennedy was Joseph McCarthy's sidekick? That's like saying that Dick Cheney is not really the VP, it's just left wing propaganda...
Do you understand the difference between propaganda and reality?
And what should I be forgiving? You're saying Ted Kennedy did nothing wrong, so what exactly am I supposed to be forgiving? Does an innocent man need forgiveness????
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"You're lying" is the only response he/she ever has.
He/she is one of those people that will tell you the sky is mauve, the sun is teal, and the stars are right wing ploys.
He/she is one of those people that is disgusted by Republican association with Jack Abramoff, yet says nothing about Harry Reid and the Dems association with Abramoff.
He/she is the kind of person that is in complete shock Bush would wire-tap anyone, yet completely denies Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton's known, documented, and verified wire-tapping.
He/she is the kind of person that just knows for sure Dick Cheney was drunk, and also knows for sure that Ted Kennedy could never have been drunk when he drove the car off the bridge and left his passenger for dead.
Are we seeing a pattern here?
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The interesting thing is he is so obviously lying and/or wrong and can't see it any other way. I could care less about Ted Kennedy. He's a joke of a Senator, there is nothing that could possibly done to him to make him look worse that he hasn't already done to himself.
His family has wealth and power and he got away with manslaughter without having to pay any consequences for it aside from never being able to win the Presidency.
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Of course he hasn't been able to win the presidency because, according to Democrats, only rich white men, from rich white families, with rich white relatives, with rich white donors, with power, and influence can win the presidency.
And we all know that Teddy came from such humble means........ he knows the pain of the poor. He feels the pain of the poor. He wants to give rich white men's money to the poor, and to make it easy for black women to kill their babies.
Yes, this is all why he would never be president...
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