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NUCLEAR WAR-FEAR Reports: U.S. preparing military strike on Iran German press speculates dispatch of officials to Turkey, Pakistan meant to prepare allies
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: December 31, 2005 5:25 p.m. Eastern
According to Der Spiegel, the German daily, reports of a pending strike escalated following Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent statements that Israel should be wiped off the face of the map and his calls for Israelis to be relocated to Europe.
On Dec. 23, a journalist for the German news agency DDP, who is also an intelligence expert, cited "western security sources" in a report claiming CIA Director Porter Goss asked Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to provide full intelligence cooperation and exchange for a possible air strike on Iran's nuclear and military facilities.
Goss reportedly provided Turkey with three dossiers at the Dec. 12 meeting containing evidence Tehran is cooperating with the Islamic terror network al-Qaida, as well as information about the current status of Iran's weapons program. German security sources, it is reported, say Goss assured Erdogan Turkey would be alerted to any air strikes, should they occur, a few hours before they were launched. Goss also gave the Turkish government the "green light" to strike the separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in Iran if the U.S. proceeds.
The governments of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Oman and Pakistan were also informed in recent weeks that air strikes are a "possible option," but no timeline was provided
Ahmadinejad's anti-Semitic speeches and claim the Holocaust is a "myth," it is speculated, have cemented the view in Washington that Iran would not back down in a nuclear showdown and Tehran is simply trying to buy time by continuing its talks with the Europeans.
"I would be very surprised if the Americans, in the mid-term, didn't take advantage of the opportunity delivered by Tehran," said a high-ranking German military official. "The Americans have to attack Iran before the country can develop nuclear weapons. After that would be too late."
In the January 2005 New Yorker, journalist Seymour Hersh reported that clandestine American commando groups were already on the ground in Iran, marking likely targets – a report the Bush administration attempted to play down as containing inaccurate statements but did not dispute.
In recent weeks, the number of visits to Ankara by American and NATO security officials has increased significantly. The head of the FBI, NATO General Secretary Jaap De Hoop Scheffer and U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have made stops in the Turkish capital.
Joining the speculation in the German press, the left-nationalist Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet, though unable to discover the substance of their talks, noted the unusually long meeting Goss and Erdogan held with, "Now it's Iran's turn."
As reported by WorldNetDaily, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has ordered his defense forces to plan for a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear weapons facilities by the end of March – the time intelligence sources say Tehran will be able to begin producing nuclear weapons.
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I felt the attack on Afganistan was justified and needed, but all the rest is really sick.
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Um HELLO! Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out. I'm on that page with ya.
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you guys are probably gonna be mad at me but it may be necessary to hit some of their facilities...
they've pretty much demanded that we hit 'em....
my exposure to Iranians before the Shah fell taught me that they have a differnet approach to "machismo" than we do....
it's not racist to recognise differences in cultures....
sadam didn't let US do inspections bscause of PRIDE, pure and simple even tho he had disposed of the wmds.... he woulda rather been killed than captured too...
the terrorists for instance? many of the young men see it as an act of courage, while we would see suicide as an act of depression? they see suicide bombing as glorious....
this is another reason i've been mad at Bush..."the boy who cried wolf".... he put us in a postition where the Iranians can take advantage of the "egg on our face" over the lack of WMD in Iraq.... so? they can proceed to make the damn things while we are worried about trusting our leaders...
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sadam was contained IMO...the oil-for food was a scam and a lot of poeple were at the "gravy train" and the gravy flowed as long as sadam was under sanctions.... iran is different... they are thumbing their noses at US worse than sadam did...
believe me i don't like it
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I don't think we will have to do anything in Iran except take the handcuffs off of Israel.
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Iran, being one of the oldest cultures on Earth has the potential to bring to power a Democracy that could team up with Iraq.. And bring forword an entire new vista for the Arabic World to portal into a magnificent future.!
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I don't think we will have to do anything in Iran except take the handcuffs off of Israel.
but you have to consider that Iran has reportedly already gassified at least 37 tons of uranium, since early last year...prolly more since... it's gonna be a mess to just bomb the facilities...wind drift etc......
the russkies offered to ship them fuel for their electricity reactors to avoid having them setting up their own enriching plants (the first step to weaponising) but they refused...
there is a lot of consensus to stop them from weaponising in the world community...
the russkies were planning on selling them missile defense systems but my bet is they won't work too good....
this is about PRIDE, there isn't likely to be reason involved....
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If anybody can get in and take out who or what needs to be taken out it's the Israelis. They know the Middle East better than us and I think they have their people in the right places(or wrong depending how you want to look at it) in these Middle East countries. The question is, do we want to do it this way?
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quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: Glassy, didju see the "Atlantic Monthly" piece on "war games" re Korea? That article posited NK as much more a "dilemma"...internationally...
do you agree with RDQ that China would reign them in, leaving Iran "free-hand," so to speak...?
i missed the atlantic peice.... we have a subscription but i haven't seen it since i've been doing some glasswork once in awhile...
China should be very willing reign them in tho...they have the most to lose by far, and they are closer (mentally)... who would Nkorea attack? s korea? too close to home, no point in winning a war that leaves no spoils... Japan? china and japan squabble but they trade heavily...
they appear to be simple blackmailers.... China may very well try to lay the cost off on US and Japan.... what does Nkorea want?
money.....
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After the Korean War, Kim Il-sung introduced the personal philosophy of Juche, or self-reliance, which became a guiding light for North Korea's development. Kim Il-sung's son, Kim Jong-il, is now head of state, but the post of president has been assigned "eternally" to his late father.
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We need to quit cozying up to Russia. I think they are behind alot of what Iran does. At the least they are encourageing them. It hides the games they (Russia) have begun to play with their government going back to the way it was during the cold war times. IMO
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We need to stop "cosying and favoring any country except for rational "economic" reasons.
This isn't 1950 or 1960. We do not dictate to the world's economies any longer and they will shut us out, if not for rational economic reason, for the chip on our shoulder.
Read the headlines....Russia, not Europe or us controls energy prices in Europe. This is the 21st century.
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quote:Originally posted by timberman: We need to quit cozying up to Russia. I think they are behind alot of what Iran does. At the least they are encourageing them. It hides the games they (Russia) have begun to play with their government going back to the way it was during the cold war times. IMO
I'm usually very distrustfull of Russia... Generally speaking I'm reasonably sure they are still very active in the cold war we think we won. However.. I do think Glass is right here... I think they have a part to play... Won't it be funny when the turn on those missle systems and they don't work?
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Russia is going thru a period similar to our own roaring 20's.....The gangs in control will pass with time..
However, the old Russian KGB is dominate in these gangs..They Kill your family members first, then kill you.
Have met a few Russian newbe's, they can be very nice people..But ya just never know who and what they were in Russia..
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I suspect Israel will eliminate the problem.
It will still come back on us as they cannot reach Israel without crossing US controlled airspace, nor can they do so without support craft which will also have to enter US controlled airspace. These being the tankers to refuel the attack planes and AWACS to disrupt the Iranian defenses.
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I don't know about that. Alot of effort is being put forth to make sure Israel doesn't do any fighting whatsoever. They are very afraid of appearing to be who antisemites say they are. Israel lashing out might very well ignite this global war we are waging into the fabled WW3 we all fear.
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Israel won't allow Iran to have nukes. Their very existence depends on it and they know it.
I suspect that within the next three or four months we won't be speculating about it anymore one way or the other.
I can see an expanded war in the Middle East but not a global war on the scale of WWIII.
I don't see Jordan or Saudi going to war with Israel, Jordon would bear the brunt of any attack and Saudi is just to small. Egypt is in some polictical turmoil right now, could be galvanized into action by an Israeli attack but still doubtfull.
Iran not being arab will keep things cooler than Israel attacking one of the arab states.
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it's in Russia's BEST ineterest to have some turmoil and uncertainty..... they might even be interested in having Iran taken off the map.... as long as SOMEBODY else does/pays for it....
many people seem to overlook Russia's natural resource situation....
some estimates put Russia at the top of the list for estimated unproven oil reserves....
they want SOME terror and turmoil to keep oil and gold prices HIGH, but not enought to disrupt the world economy because they need other countries money...anybodies money... what's a ruble worth? who friggin cares?
last month? they decided to increase their gold reserves substantially.... they are number 2 in proven gold resources...
they never became our allies and they never stopped being our enemy...they just collapsed and din't have any real fight in them for awhile, they are recovering slowly, and will be back, but not as communists... they will be what they've always been: a cleptocracy
Russian mentality is basically take what you can however you can... never lend them money don't invest there...
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Good point as to Russia's motives here.. With Iran out of the way Russia would love to take up their role as oil provider... Ofcourse not sure how many countries would want to depend on Russia for oil.. look at the trouble they are giving Europe over natural gas... seems they turned down the pressure in the pipeline going through the Ukraine because the Ukraine is a west leaning country.
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It's not the Russians we shouldn't be cozying up with Timberman, it's the Chinese. When it comes to North Korea, it is a waiting game for them. Their brown water amphib fleet continues to grow in size and capability and they are scheduled to field their first western style super carrier around 2010. They have upgraded their nuclear capabilties in both range, accuracy and yield. The CEP's on their warheads are just about comparable to ours. They have told us that when and not if they go after Taiwan, it would be in our best interests to stay out. I see a deal happening. They give us North Korea, we give them Taiwan. The Chinese are only communists in name anymore. They would be the global economic powerhouse if they controlled Taiwan and Hong Kong. I'm pretty sure they are well aware of this. Right now, all of our attention being focused in the Southwest Asia fits in to, what I think, their overall plan is. We are not paying attention to what they are doing and they know it. Also, have heard that 'ol Osama may be hiding out in Western China, could just be conjecture, however, there is a large Muslim population in Western China.
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