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Bdgee, Clinton "thought" also! His sources told him these things too! President Bush accepted responsibility, and I support him! I don't want terrorists, making the world even more scary for my "someday", hopefully, grandchildren! Stop blaming the man for everything when he has congress, senate, and house, CIA, Homeland security, other country leaders, former Presidents, telling him all of these things! He is only doing his best!
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Oh, and at least "Strider" takes the time to do research! If only you guys took the "time" to read it!! I'm sure his sources are more credable than the ones you get from "The Enquiror" !!!
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: Bdgee, Clinton "thought" also! His sources told him these things too! President Bush accepted responsibility, and I support him! I don't want terrorists, making the world even more scary for my "someday", hopefully, grandchildren! Stop blaming the man for everything when he has congress, senate, and house, CIA, Homeland security, other country leaders, former Presidents, telling him all of these things! He is only doing his best!
Clenton thought. And concluded it was not too smart to go off and spend the hopes for the nations tomorrow on speculations of WMDs and possibly imaginary al Kiaeda connections.
Bush lied. There were no WMDs or links to Ben laden, although he told the Congress and the nation that he had absolute proof off both. Are you prepared to pay off your part of the debt to save the Country that dubya has morgaged to China?
That incompetant fool you claim has reliable sources is a liar and a hopeless jerk. If you took the time to bother to read these post you would discover that you are championing someone that has to be constantly corrected and can't even handle the English language, let alone the logic involved.
I'm a bit passed bored with you Party line republican right wing radical ultra know it all evangelical christain hate mongers claiming that democrats too voted for the invasion of Iraq.
THAT IS A LIE!
The Congress voted to allow dubya to use whatever means necessary not whatever means he saw fit, "PROVIDED HE FIRST EXAUSTED ALL OTER POSSIBLE" avenues to quell weapons progreams in Iraq and did so then ONLY AFTER HAVING BEEN FED A CONSTANT STREAM OF FAKED INTELLEGENCE REPORTS BY THE ADMINISTRATION (by the Administration, not by the CIA....the Administration clearly, at the time, claimed to have independent confirmation). Given factual information instead of diet of total false crap designed to get them to vote the way they did, it is obvious that the Congress never would have voted as tyhey did.
Yours is a terribly one sided opinion and it is you that needs to learn to follow sources. You need to learn to stop dwelling in that hate everybody that isn't a right wing christain enangelical republican clone.
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Doubtfull the commies will ever get over the decision to go into Iraq a second time. Doesn't matter what issue is brought up... somehow someway they always turn it back into an Iraq debate. Then they call other people one sided. LOL Gotta love commies.
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come on Kate, you and i went thru this already before the last election...
that is what was/has been my main gripe with Bush...
he didn't accept responsibility...
not for his screwup on 911 and not for the wmd thing...
and not for the stinking SMEAR campaigns his people have run against McCain and then Kerry..
i have by no means critisized Bush on everything he did wrong, and i have talked about what i agree with him on.. which is not much, but some...
i was harsh on strider on NY eve...
you and many others were much harsher on me when i was nearly alone in saying there no WMD, remember??? i stuck my neck out and said some very unpopular things didn't i.... now? they are "common knowledge" and quite frankly? strider has plainly said that the WMD thing doesn't matter, when we all know it does.... it's about integrity...
if he wants credibility? he needs to stop denying obvious things... he obviously likes to post and debate.... i backtrack on his research? and i find the sources that he doesn't post, like the RNC homepage and the warriors of Christ stuff,.... i do research very well...
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I'll give you another guess who based stuff on the Enquirer. I'll give you a couple of hints: his Id here is Ara....... and if you do a search of Allstocks forums (shouldn't that be fora) you will learn that he first showed up at Allstocks in October and has never posted in any of them but "Off-Topic Post, Non Stock Talk".
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As for me and my house, we will serve Bush!
quote:Originally posted by Kate: Bdgee, Clinton "thought" also! His sources told him these things too! President Bush accepted responsibility, and I support him! I don't want terrorists, making the world even more scary for my "someday", hopefully, grandchildren! Stop blaming the man for everything when he has congress, senate, and house, CIA, Homeland security, other country leaders, former Presidents, telling him all of these things! He is only doing his best!
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So in addition to needing medication, I'm now out of touch with the GOP and in the fringe 2%. That statement proves it it YOU that is out of touch with not only the GOP but reality.
I've gathered from your posts that you were a McCain supporter. McCain is on the left fringe of the GOP and did not have much support, that is why he lost, not because of something Bush did as you claim. While McCain's self destruction was not nearly as dramatic as Howard Deans, it was sufficient to doom his election posibilities. He is a liberal Republican from a small urbanized state. Liberals don't generally do well in national politics.
Conservatives remain in the majority despite the claims of the liberals to the contrary. Nothing they can do about it other than call people names it seems.
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I've gone back and checked my more recent links.
I've found the United Nations, the CIA, the Washington Post, Wikipedia, Global Security, The Center for Non-proliferation Studies, the RNC, noapathy.com, and Leadership U.
No Enquirer.
The RNC was simply discounted by some out of hand simply because "it is propaganda" even though they outlined each and every source none of which originated with the RNC. The last two were simply discounted because they are the "extreme right religious evangelicals" when they too backed up what was in the specific links with verifiable information.
One Washington post article was described as "trash", even though it had no political spin on it at all, but simply reported a current even as it was happening.
by calling a more centrist person than YOU are left fringe? you are identifying yourself as exactly what i "called" you...
quite frankly? just about every time you post you prove that your views are ultra whatever.... Bush pandered to you folks... he doesn't represent you any more than McCain did...Rove understands you since he's a Bama boy, and he's bright.... and you've been brought to the table, but you aren't gonna be served.... no, i don't think the GOP is nazi's but? there are some similarities in all people, some more than others...
the WMD issue was a scam run from the mid-90's on... the INC and neo-cons joined forces for the usual reasons... money and power... they tried and they are failing to actually take over iraq... and it's not because "people like me" pulled our support. it's because human natuare doesn't really change, and the results were inevitable... Bush senior knew this... but he had to make promises to all kinds of groups to get his boy what he wanted: the white house....he got it and WE are paying the price, as usual in politics...
Abramoff has cut a deal.... more heads will roll..
you know why? cuz when one party gets too greedy and tries to take too much power? the losing party has NOTHING to lose.... so they go the back up plan...name names, guess what? there are always names to name, nobody is clean... that's why ultra-political views get stomped quick...they refuse to consider that politics is a negotiation between thousands of thousands of people...
Bush hasn't even gotten a third of his proposals thru the house and senate... he's not as powerful as you think, and i still don't know why he thinks we are at war... we aren't... we haven't been at war for 50 years... he doesn't have full war powers... and if he gets full war powers to deal with terrorism? then the constitution is DEAD, cuz the war on terrorism will never end....
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He is a liberal Republican from a small urbanized state. Liberals don't generally do well in national politics.
glassman:
yeah you need medication if you think AZ is a liberal state...
i'm actually beginning to think you are a democrat plant trying to make the GOP sound like the nazi's
i don't think you have a good grip on reality.. i've tried to help you understand a little better but it's not working, and i don't think it's my fault...oh well...
you hail from a blue state right?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: stider speaking of McCain and Arizona:
He is a liberal Republican from a small urbanized state. Liberals don't generally do well in national politics.
glassman:
yeah you need medication if you think AZ is a liberal state...
i'm actually beginning to think you are a democrat plant trying to make the GOP sound like the nazi's
i don't think you have a good grip on reality.. i've tried to help you understand a little better but it's not working, and i don't think it's my fault...oh well...
you hail from a blue state right?
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McCain IS on the left fringe of the Republican party. I'm sorry you don't see it that way but he, Specter and a few others are the left fringe. Each party has a right and a left. If you can name 10 other Republican Senators that are left of McCain I might reconsider my statement.
Where did I say Arizona is a liberal state? I don't believe I commented on the state other than it is urbanized, meaning most of its population lives in centralized areas. McCain is a liberal Republican, doesn't necessarily make him a liberal, just a liberal Republican.
"i'm actually beginning to think you are a democrat plant trying to make the GOP sound like the nazi's"
Funny, I had the exact same thought about you but since it added nothing to the debate, I wasn't going to bring it up.
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McCain is one of the driving forces behind the abramoff investigation... i hope he cleans the house and senate.... liberal to some people means they don't mention the bible every time they speak i guess....
McCain lost his bid because of the sick tactics rove brought to the primaries..they are well documented... it has nothing to do with McCain being liberal.... mostly cuz McCain is not liberal. LOL
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Don't worry, Glass....., just because you aren't narrow minded and sometimes speak "after" having thought, I don't classify you as a liberal.....or McCain....
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eh, i ain't worried bdgee... i spent enough time around colleges and Uni's to know what a real liberal is... love arguing with them too... compared to some people that are "feeling their oats" after voting for Bush, i am liberal.... but not A liberal
i've known some pretty darn conservative democrats that i like too.. Biden? i'd like to see him run.. the dude has all his marbles and a few other peoples as well...
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You skirted the subject again. McCain is on the left fringe of the Republican Party. You were supposed to show some Republican Senators that were more left than he.
I always find it interesting that it is always someone elses fault why "your guy" lost. It can't be because McCain went balistic in the space of two weeks on national TV that he lost the election. It was "Rove's sick tactics".
McCain isn't liberal? LOL. Must be why there was serious talk of having him run on the Democratic ticket with Kerry. Those Democrats supporting Kerry really go for those conservative Republicans.
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McCain was heavily criticized during the campaign for his continued use of an ethnic slur in reference to his Vietnamese captors. He told reporters, "I hate the gooks.... I will hate them as long as I live." At first, he stood by his use of the slur, saying that it was "the kindest, the kindest description I can give them." After the comments caused a great deal of controversy which threatened to derail his Presidential bid, McCain reversed his position and apologized.
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quote:Originally posted by Aragorn243: John McCain
McCain was heavily criticized during the campaign for his continued use of an ethnic slur in reference to his Vietnamese captors. He told reporters, "I hate the gooks.... I will hate them as long as I live." At first, he stood by his use of the slur, saying that it was "the kindest, the kindest description I can give them." After the comments caused a great deal of controversy which threatened to derail his Presidential bid, McCain reversed his position and apologized.
i wonder if he was called any names while being held in their loving arms?
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There was some speculation that McCain's longtime friend and colleague, and also the Democratic Presidential nominee, John F. Kerry of Massachusetts would ask McCain to be his running mate. This prompted Bush to run an advertisement called "The First Choice" showing clips of McCain praising Bush. Furthermore, the GOP used this information to ridicule Kerry's eventual running mate, one-term Senator John Edwards of North Carolina
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I expect he was called lots of names and that he has plenty of reason to hate them as long as he lives. But outbursts like that are not what most people expect or want from their President. It shows a lack of control, possibly an obsession.
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wouldnt bother me..considering what he went thru. seems like a very intelligent man. would certainly have a better perspective on war, death, and destruction, and what it takes to be a strong individual who has concrete ideas on what it takes to run this country.
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My concern is what he went through. As a Senator, he is one amomg many, can do a good job, blow off steam here and there and no harm is done. As President, if he snaps, he's on his own.
McCain was confined and tortured for years. While I can respect the guy for surviving that and doing what he has afterwards, I'm not going to trust my kids lives with someone who could have been mentally impacted by that confinement and torture.
McCain has never appeared to me to be all that stable. He is very quick to anger and whether it be deserved or not, his responses are not really appropriate in many instances.
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