quote:Originally posted by Patrick: Low unemployment rate. B+ less than 5 % not bad
stock market is ok. A- i agree
Foreign Policy: B i think its an F terrorism against the us is a direct reflection of flawed foreign policy. especially arab/israeli policy.
Taxes: B While good for most people, lower taxes and higher government spending just means we will pay more later on. (everyone will hate the president who tries to fix this problem) but our children cant afford all our mistakes.
Inflation: A only because of the feds constant adjusting of interest rates.
Illegal immigration: F agreed big trouble brewing here.
National Debt: F agreed
Trade: F agreed
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two good things that i think he has done is lowering the capital gains tax and rewriting of the bankruptcy laws.(which of coarse benefits him and his buddies more than anyone) everything else about that guy makes me want to punch him in his smirk.
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quote:Originally posted by turbokid: two good things that i think he has done is lowering the capital gains tax and rewriting of the bankruptcy laws.(which of coarse benefits him and his buddies more than anyone) everything else about that guy makes me want to punch him in his smirk.
------------------------------------------------- Turbo, the B/K laws that go into effect Oct 17 may turn out to be a nitemare for the thousands of hard working bill paying folks who will need Safe Harbor..They won't have it.
I am not talking about the credit card scammers. I am thinking of the victums of the disaster.
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well i was just thinking that if it is harder to file bankruptcy then banks and lending institutions will be able to lend at a lower rate because they dont have to charge more to cover the deadbeats who think they dont have to repay their debts. Also i do agree the law should include businesses as well.
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Since this thread seems to be rapidly slipping into oblivion, I thought I'd give it a boost. C'mon Bush supporters! This is your pro-Bush thread! Sing your praises!
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Comparison Bush Clinton Unemployment 5.4 5.4 Military record served ? dodger? Foreign Policy Fight Run Stock Market Good Good Retoric Plenty Master Influence Osama Bin Bill Gates Laden
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not many bush-supporters left. how can an intelligent ,or even average, person have any respect left for this person? He has proven time and time again his true self.
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How do you make a correlation between intellegence and respect?
Saying there aren't many Bush supporters left is illogical. Are you trying to say there are only a few left? Are you trying to say there aren't as many as there once were? Please be more specific.
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quote:Originally posted by Chadsly: How do you make a correlation between intellegence and respect?
Saying there aren't many Bush supporters left is illogical. Are you trying to say there are only a few left? Are you trying to say there aren't as many as there once were? Please be more specific.
there is no correlation between intelligence and respect. didnt say there was. a person WITH intelligence can see clearly that this person, who has lied repeatedly, done things solely for the photo opt,has not led this country with integrity,or dignity, lost support from other countries, is trying to walk in daddys footsteps but doesnt have the shoes to do so,and is a blithering idiot (imo),has lost respect. As to your second query-my answer is yes.
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i think its becoming harder and harder to defend what bush does. And i think alot of people who just support the "party" no matter what, are taking a second look at the man rather than the party. I'll give an example, a few weeks ago bush came to my home town of salt lake, the reddest state in the country, and the mayor (rocky anderson) was promoting a protest against him! pretty interesting stuff,
Ill wind may not blow to the Whitehouse Newton Emerson is on great form in the Irish Times today. Since it deserves a much wider play on the Internet. I have permission from him to republish it on the net. It's a rhetorical gem. By Newton Emerson
As the full horror of Hurricane Katrina sinks in, thousands of desperate columnists are asking if this is the end of George Bush's presidency. The answer is almost certainly yes, provided that every copy of the US Constitution was destroyed in the storm. Otherwise President Bush will remain in office until noon on January 20th, 2009, as required by the 20th Amendment, after which he is barred from seeking a third term anyway under the 22nd Amendment.
As the full horror of this sinks in, thousands of desperate columnists are asking if the entire political agenda of George Bush's second term will not still be damaged in some terribly satisfying way.
The answer is almost certainly yes, provided that the entire political agenda of George Bush's second term consists of repealing the 22nd Amendment. Otherwise, with a clear Republican majority in both Houses of Congress, he can carry on doing pretty much whatever he likes.
As the full horror of this sinks in, thousands of desperate columnists are asking if the Republican Party itself will now suffer a setback at the congressional mid-term elections next November.
The answer is almost certainly yes, provided that people outside the disaster zone punish their local representatives for events elsewhere a year previously, both beyond their control and outside their remit, while people inside the disaster zone reward their local representatives for an ongoing calamity they were supposed to prevent. Otherwise, the Democratic Party will suffer a setback at the next congressional election.
As the full horror of this sinks in, thousands of desperate columnists are asking if an official inquiry will shift the blame for poor planning and inadequate flood defences on to the White House. The answer is almost certainly yes, provided nobody admits that emergency planning is largely the responsibility of city and state agencies, and nobody notices that the main levee which broke was the only levee recently modernised with federal funds. Otherwise, an official inquiry will pin most of the blame on the notoriously corrupt and incompetent local governments of New Orleans and Louisiana.
As the full horror of this sinks in, thousands of desperate columnists are asking if George Bush contributed to the death toll by sending so many national guard units to Iraq.
The answer is almost certainly yes, provided nobody recalls that those same columnists have spent the past two years blaming George Bush for another death toll by not sending enough national guard units to Iraq. Otherwise, people might wonder why they have never previously read a single article advocating large-scale military redeployment during the Caribbean hurricane season.
As the full horror of this sinks in, thousands of desperate columnist are asking how a civilised city can descend into anarchy.
The answer is that only a civilised city can descend into anarchy.
As the full horror of this sinks in, thousands of desperate columnists are asking if George Bush should be held responsible for the terrible poverty in the southern states revealed by the flooding.
The answer is almost certainly yes, provided nobody holds Bill Clinton responsible for making Mississippi the poorest state in the union throughout his entire term as president, or for making Arkansas the second-poorest state in the union throughout his entire term as governor. Otherwise, people might suspect that it is a bit more complicated than that.
As the full horror of this sinks in, thousands of desperate columnists are asking if George Bush should not be concerned by accusations of racism against the federal government.
The answer is almost certainly yes, provided nobody remembers that Jesse Jackson once called New York "Hymietown" and everybody thinks Condoleezza Rice went shopping for shoes when the hurricane struck because she cannot stand black people.
Otherwise sensible Americans of all races will be more concerned by trite, cynical and dangerous political opportunism.
As the full horror of that sinks in, this columnist is simply glad that everybody cares.
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Just maybe the whole story and sequence of events needs to be told, before we point fingers/
Nagin singled out Gov. Kathleen Blanco for criticism, saying that the governor had asked for 24 hours to think over a decision when time was a luxury that no one, especially refugees, had.
When the president and the governor got here, I said, 'Mr. President, Madame Governor, you two have to get in synch. If you don't, more people are going to die. Blanco and Bush met privately at his insistence, Nagin said, after which Bush came out and told Nagin that he had given Blanco two options, and she requested a full day to decide.
It would have been great if we could have walked off Air Force One and told the world we had it all worked out, Nagin said. It didn't happen, and more people died.
Days later, Nagin would request a forced evacuation of those few who refused to move: As floodwaters caused by Hurricane Katrina began to slowly recede with the ruined city's first pumps returning to operation, Nagin late Tuesday authorized law enforcement officers to force the evacuation of the estimated 10,000 residents who refuse to heed orders to leave.
But in a Wednesday interview with FOX News, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said she had not signed off on the decision.
"The mayor certainly has ordered that but the governor, and that would be me, would have to enforce it or implement it. We are trying to determine whether there is an absolute justification for that," she told FOX News.
"I think the most important thing driving that decision would be the possibility of disease. If indeed the disease problem is evident, is inevitable, we'll have to move to the next stage," she said.
And developments suggest that "next stage" may come soon. Floodwaters in New Orleans contain bacteria associated with sewage that are at least 10 times higher than acceptable safety levels, making direct contact by rescue workers and remaining residents dangerous, the first government tests confirmed Wednesday.
Ice would probably be nice, but in that hot Louisiana sun you'd just get rapid meltdown.
Update 3: Gotta love those quotable pols. Last week Blanco sent a clear message to the suffering people of New Orleans - the troops are on the way:
A fed-up Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco warned the lawbreakers that extra troops have already arrived in the city, and others are on the way -- and "they're locked and loaded."
She said Thursday night that 300 soldiers from the Arkansas National Guard had arrived -- "fresh back from Iraq."
"These are some of the 40,000 extra troops that I have demanded," Blanco said. "They have M-16s, and they're locked and loaded ... I have one message for these hoodlums: These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so if necessary, and I expect they will."
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Disasters: Do Americans really want to push Washington deeper into the role of first responder? If that's so, they need to be more careful what they wish for.
If you want a hint of how Hurricane Katrina might change the federal government and everyone's relation to it, follow the pointing fingers. See who's getting the bulk of the blame.
Michael Brown, now relieved of his duties supervising FEMA's relief effort, has been the designated scapegoat role so far. Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin haven't landed in the hot seat at least not yet for their egregious front-line failures.
Such selective outrage says a lot about the Democrat-media complex and its politics. But something deeper is also going on here. This focus on what the federal government did wrong, and what it may now be doing right, is in tune with a long-running trend that crosses party lines.
It used to be that the states, counties and cities had clear first-responder roles keeping or restoring order, evacuating people from harm's way and, before that, having credible emergency plans in place. But the old protocols are breaking down.
If we read the post-Katrina critics right, federal military and civilian agencies are now supposed to mobilize and get to the scene of a natural disaster as fast as the state and local authorities who were there all along.
This new standard for federal action has emerged over several decades in response to major disasters and shifts in public attitudes about the proper scope of national government.
FEMA, which Jimmy Carter cobbled together in 1979 to straighten out the tangle of federal disaster programs, has come to represent the disaster "cavalry" in the public mind the folks you can count on when the local authorities can't cut it.
The flip side of this confidence is complacency. It's only our guess at this point, but close scrutiny of the Katrina preparation and response may show the city of New Orleans and state of Louisiana did too little because they assumed that FEMA would do so much.
Calls for reform of America's disaster-response system are inevitable and proper after a tragedy on the scale of Katrina. But this is no time to act in haste or to just do more of the same and expand the federal role even further. Not only might this increase a false sense of security at the state and local levels, but it also would push federal agencies into work such as street-level law enforcement they are simply not meant to do.
Finally, there's the question of prerogatives. If we really want first-responder performance from Washington, it will need more power than it has now. Instead of waiting for a major catastrophe to order an evacuation, for instance, a truly front-line FEMA would be able to do the job itself, sending federal troops to drag people from their homes. Earlier, back at the preparedness phase, first-responder feds should also be able to decide who builds what and where in a flood-prone (or fire- or quake-prone) area.
We doubt if most Americans, much less state and local officials, would want Washington so directly running their lives. But if Washington is to be blamed for everything, then by rights it should be giving all the orders.
A much better course is to strengthen states and localities while demanding more of them. And the best way to do this may be to set clearer limits on what the federal government can and will do the next time disaster strikes.
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Great posts CK1, it's easy to play the blame game before the dust settles and ALL the facts have come in. And when all the facts eventually come in let's hope those who failed their duties get their just deserves and the system that failed gets fixed.
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If those Party hacks Prisident dufus put in to see that federal grants and salaries go only to the Party faithful and big contributers had been even half way interested in the job there would be how many more non-Republicans still alive in New Orleans?
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I just hope the hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes and terrorists will wait patiently for Bush to get around to investigating himself and "fixing" the problems.
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"It is said an eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him with the words, 'And this, too, shall pass away.' How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! How consoling in the depths of affliction! Abraham Lincoln
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