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...There is an economic ripple effect, too. The cuts mean major hurricane and flood protection projects will not be awarded to local engineering firms. Also, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now.
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Dubya simply isn't well enough educated to fathom the intricacies of government finance. No doubt, he believes he can handle it like he did his oil companies: when the money runs out, file for bankruptcy (after first having pumped the stock price high and sold all your shares at a profit".
Anyway, isn't natural disaster just a normal happening in the theory of intellegent design? And doesn't thay mean we mere human types can't and shouldn't plan and prepare to ward it off, because God planned it to test us? Hell, the Corp of Engineers doesn't need any funding, dubya will pray for them, instead.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Dubya simply isn't well enough educated to fathom the intricacies of government finance. No doubt, he believes he can handle it like he did his oil companies: when the money runs out, file for bankruptcy (after first having pumped the stock price high and sold all your shares at a profit".
Anyway, isn't natural disaster just a normal happening in the theory of intellegent design? And doesn't thay mean we mere human types can't and shouldn't plan and prepare to ward it off, because God planned it to test us? Hell, the Corp of Engineers doesn't need any funding, dubya will pray for them, instead.
Not to play down the horror of what people are going through right now, but...
Intelligent design or not, the problem here seems to be lack of intelligent humans. Let's build a city that is mostly below sea level right between the gulf, a lake and a huge river. Then let's build walls to keep the water out. Not too bright if you ask me.
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If I said, "There is a category 5 hurricane coming your way. We have a mandatory evacuation. Please get to a safe place", what would you say or do? I don't want to play down the trauma, but it's not President Bush's fault that people don't listen.
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There are some beachfront areas in FL that have been wiped out so many times that not only is it nearly impossible to get insurance, but the counties/city(not sure exactly which) are saying that if a home is destroyed it cannot be rebuilt.
It's too bad, but probably the best way to help keep insurance rates down and keep people from making bad decisions over and over.
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quote:Originally posted by Chadsly: If I said, "There is a category 5 hurricane coming your way. We have a mandatory evacuation. Please get to a safe place", what would you say or do? I don't want to play down the trauma, but it's not President Bush's fault that people don't listen.
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You're telling me people can't get across town to the SuperDome or drive their breakup cars out of the state. There is always a way when someone tells you, "This is a mandatory evac."
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Chadsly, many who tried were mired in miles-long gridlock and turned around, perhaps fearing being caught on the open road with water *above* them...
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Or the elderly that could not make it out, and for the one's that could...Now in the superdome and the conv. center...are they any better off? NO FOOD...NO WATER...NO FORMULA for babies...All of these things they were told they would be given.....these people did listen...THEY FOLLOWED THE RULES.....now watching their babies slowly die...... I can't imagine the Mothers and Fathers....Having to hear their children beg them to get them a drink and listen to them say they are hungry......having them only answer with...."I know Honey, I know".....DAMMIT! IT'S NOT RIGHT!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Chadsly: You're telling me people can't get across town to the SuperDome or drive their breakup cars out of the state. There is always a way when someone tells you, "This is a mandatory evac."
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Thousands DO NOT trust authority in the Bayous. Many others do not even have a TV.
They have damn good reason not to trust authority.
Just look whats happening.
Check out the garbage coming out of your leaders mouth, Fema Director Mike Brown.
Just open your eyes Chadsly and come down off Mt Olympus
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In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.
On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
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a lot of corners have been cut off... the base closings are another prime example..
the estimated cost saving for the last round of "proprosed" cuts was 50 billion$ over 20 years or so... cutting about 25000 jobs in our country??? sheesh, they blew that in the first 6 months of Iraq..and i BET HALiburton has gotten half that much itself(or dang close)
these so-called Leaders of the Free World have sold US out to get sadam( or wahtever they are doing in iraq)....
wake up people....we are no more than a cash cow to these guys...
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Think! New Orleans wasn't built below sea level....it sank! Slowly, to be sure, over centuries, but it sank. How would you go about building a city below sea level? Is your hope to excuse the Administration so great you need to conger up fantasies to cover their actions? Does proposing absurdities satiate your apetite to blame someone else?
No one who was there back then understood that it was sinking, since the city was built first by Indians (the American kind), then pirates, then various mixtures of Europeans and Africans that simply didn't have the where-with-all to measure it or any idea it was important. Before anyone realized the threat, it was too late, New Orleans was a big city.
But I have to agree with your statement, "Intelligent design or not, the problem here seems to be lack of intelligent humans." Yep, in the Administratioon and among the populace that insist on supporting a collection of proven liars and fools.
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there's something to the "sinking," heavy buidlings, roads, etc (heard Rush saying this the other day, too) but I submit the larger problem is messing with the river. A river "seeks" to maintain equilibrium, ie a change in one part is reflected in another. eg, channelize a section? same effect as elevating the source flow: it downcuts. Sediment from upstream is deposited. To stay ahead of it, the corps dredged then built levvies. The result? The base rises, ever-taller levvies, till they're way above you. Realizing this for years, the corps even built a miniature Miss. River system over several acres, like a lab, to try and figure it out.
A little geology sidenote...
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Think! New Orleans wasn't built below sea level....it sank! Slowly, to be sure, over centuries, but it sank. How would you go about building a city below sea level? Is your hope to excuse the Administration so great you need to conger up fantasies to cover their actions? Does proposing absurdities satiate your apetite to blame someone else?
No one who was there back then understood that it was sinking, since the city was built first by Indians (the American kind), then pirates, then various mixtures of Europeans and Africans that simply didn't have the where-with-all to measure it or any idea it was important. Before anyone realized the threat, it was too late, New Orleans was a big city.
But I have to agree with your statement, "Intelligent design or not, the problem here seems to be lack of intelligent humans." Yep, in the Administratioon and among the populace that insist on supporting a collection of proven liars and fools.
Points taken.
The relief is taking too long get to distributed. Thats a big problem. I support our leaders because they are the leaders that we have at this time. When we have new leaders I will support them as well. It doesn't matter if I like them or agree with them. I don't pretend to fully understand the disaster situation and I don't know the details as to why things are being handled the way they are, therefore, I am not blaming anyone for anything.
The position and elevation of New Orleans is the primary reason for the severity of this disaster. The flood could have happened with or without the hurricane. The city will be a 99% loss; it should not be rebuilt. Statistically the same thing will happen again.
Its like building towns and cities down stream from some of these big dams. Some day, stastically speaking again, one of them will fail and thousands will die and billions of dollars will be lost- and all of these same conversations will come again.
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The city will be a 99% loss; it should not be rebuilt. Statistically the same thing will happen again.
i agree absolutely Ramius.... but it will take a while for this to "sink in" and be acceptable to people...give them some time....
the problem with our "leaders" is well demonstrated here...
US: Kellogg Brown & Root Wins New US Army Contract
BBC News January 16th, 2004
Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) has won a new US army contract to help repair Iraq's dilapidated oil industry. Parsons Iraqi Joint Venture and Worley Group also will share in the $2bn (1.1bn; 1.6bn euros) worth of work.
The appointment is likely to raise eyebrows as KBR has been accused of overcharging the US military for fuel.
The Pentagon is mulling whether to investigate KBR's owner, Halliburton, over the allegations. The company has denied any wrongdoing.
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Halliburton, whose former chief executive was US Vice President Dick Cheney, had looked to be in the clear after an earlier inquiry.
Under the terms of the contracts, KBR will develop Iraq's southern oil fields, while Parsons and Worley will work together in the north of the country.
this is just one of some 13 billion plus in moneys that have gone to them since the Iraq war has started..OUR money in the BILIONS going into a country that hates US.
the worst part??? a lot of(at least 10 billion plus) the money that went there was NO-bid contracts...which is NOT capitalism at all...it's cleptocracy.....
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quote:Originally posted by Chadsly: You're telling me people can't get across town to the SuperDome or drive their breakup cars out of the state. There is always a way when someone tells you, "This is a mandatory evac."
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Thousands DO NOT trust authority in the Bayous.
They have damn good reason not to trust authority.
Just open your eyes Chadsly and come down off Mt Olympus
Not trusting authority is no reason to say, "I'm staying here through a hurricane." Are you suggesting that they didn't believe a hurricane was coming or they don't trust the goverment to bring supplies? Are they just suspicious that the government has a consperacy against them?
You say to open my eyes. That's the oldest comment to an argument. If I say, "You don't know what you're talking about," then we don't have to discuss any thoughts from your side of the picture. You can't tell me to open my eyes after I asked a simple question suggesting that people should take action when a FREAKIN' HURRICANE is coming.
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No it's worse. The entire area is contaminated. They can pump the water out of the city, but having someone come in and sanatize the place is going to be a huge effort. It's one huge waste site right now.
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