quote:sorry, fellas, this thread rarely makes sense...if y'all get a new one going? Suggest we hold posts to 10 or 12 lines...
best wishes
I'm curious as to what doesn't make sence, I've been willing to explain everything I have posted to everyone who has asked, or made comment.
I ask others to challenge or to add to what I post so that I may compare it to what the Bible says, so the truth of the matter will come to light.
39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? 40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. 41 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.
The beam that is in one's own eye is the dirty rotten sins of that person. He is blind until God gives him sight of the sin that has alienated himself from the righteousness of God. And with the light of the Gospel he is able to see the solution to the enormous problem he himself faces. When one comes to full understanding of the complete helplessness of his own merit as to pertaining to salvation then it is His constant and continuing plea and prayer that God have mercy on Him through the person of Jesus Christ, to believe on Him as the scriptures(the Bible) testify of Him.
The "beam" in your own eye(the sin in your own life)... is enormously a bigger problem than the "mote"(sin) that is in your brother's eye (life)
Daniel 12:1-3 - 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Posts: 304 | From: Arizona | Registered: Jul 2005
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No, you've preached, not explained. For those not embedded in your religion, no claim that requires your bible (or some other) for a basis is any sort of explaination. And for those already embedded in it with you, why do you need to preach?
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If it appears as "my" urgency than that is due to the message that is being published. That you yourself are testifying to. Which in itself is again evidence of it's validity.
What are all the thoughts of man?
Now we say religion, quick look up the word, who wrote those words?
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The "beam" in your own eye(the sin in your own life)... is enormously a bigger problem than the "mote"(sin) that is in your brother's eye (life)
why don't you send this message of HUMILITY to BUSH??? he needs to learn it.....
all of the evangelicals do....
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prophet, i started this thread to point out that superstition instead of science will bring civilisation back down to new low levels...
it will be uglier than ever, because there are so many more people now..
your incessant posting of SUPERSTITION just proves my point...
the reason we had the last dark ages was due to narrow-minded STUPID, greedy individuals taking control of the political power thru the church..
it's happenning again...
your prophecies of doom-n-gloom may come true becuase you and a lot of other people are actually PRAYING for and acting to bring them about...
i will fight tooth and nail to prevent this, no matter what...
the earth is 4.5 billion years old... and life appeared very shortly after that, in a very harsh environment...yes, evolutionary CREATION makes sense... but not in the way that the bible outlines it...
does that make the bible worthless? NO!!, it just means that the bible was written for an ignorant people, and we are still behaving ignorantly... the warnings are there, but you are missing the point... assume the yoke and do something, instead of begging for some sort of divine interventuion.
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I strive never to use the words I'm tempeted to to describe what you do and the absolute disrespect you shower on others.
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I was reading Psalm 109 last night. I am sorry, the burden is my own.
1 Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise; 2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue. 3 They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause. 4 For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer. 5 And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love. 6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand. 7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin. 8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office. 9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow. 10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places. 11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour. 12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children. 13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out. 14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. 15 Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth. 16 Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart. 17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him. 18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones. 19 Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually. 20 Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD, and of them that speak evil against my soul. 21 But do thou for me, O GOD the Lord, for thy name's sake: because thy mercy is good, deliver thou me. 22 For I am poor and needy, and my heart is wounded within me. 23 I am gone like the shadow when it declineth: I am tossed up and down as the locust. 24 My knees are weak through fasting; and my flesh faileth of fatness. 25 I became also a reproach unto them: when they looked upon me they shaked their heads. 26 Help me, O LORD my God: O save me according to thy mercy: 27 That they may know that this is thy hand; that thou, LORD, hast done it. 28 Let them curse, but bless thou: when they arise, let them be ashamed; but let thy servant rejoice. 29 Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them cover themselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle. 30 I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praise him among the multitude. 31 For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: prophet, i started this thread to point out that superstition instead of science will bring civilisation back down to new low levels...
it will be uglier than ever, because there are so many more people now..
your incessant posting of SUPERSTITION just proves my point...
the reason we had the last dark ages was due to narrow-minded STUPID, greedy individuals taking control of the political power thru the church..
it's happenning again...
your prophecies of doom-n-gloom may come true becuase you and a lot of other people are actually PRAYING for and acting to bring them about...
i will fight tooth and nail to prevent this, no matter what...
the earth is 4.5 billion years old... and life appeared very shortly after that, in a very harsh environment...yes, evolutionary CREATION makes sense... but not in the way that the bible outlines it...
does that make the bible worthless? NO!!, it just means that the bible was written for an ignorant people, and we are still behaving ignorantly... the warnings are there, but you are missing the point... assume the yoke and do something, instead of begging for some sort of divine interventuion.
Brilliantly stated Glass. There will be a revolt against all religions at some point in the future based upon people's desire to truly be free. I hope anyway. Realistically, can anyone name one religion that has not caused more harm than good? Just one that has not hurt more than it helped? Prophet... it would be nice if you would talk in your own words rather than copy and paste from your only book.
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quote:Originally posted by Prophet: I was reading Psalm 109 last night. I am sorry, the burden is my own.
1 Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise; 2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue. 3 They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause. 4 For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer. 5 And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love. 6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand. 7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin. 8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office. 9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow. 10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places. 11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour. 12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children. 13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out. 14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. 15 Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth. 16 Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart. 17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him. 18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones. 19 Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually. 20 Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD, and of them that speak evil against my soul. 21 But do thou for me, O GOD the Lord, for thy name's sake: because thy mercy is good, deliver thou me. 22 For I am poor and needy, and my heart is wounded within me. 23 I am gone like the shadow when it declineth: I am tossed up and down as the locust. 24 My knees are weak through fasting; and my flesh faileth of fatness. 25 I became also a reproach unto them: when they looked upon me they shaked their heads. 26 Help me, O LORD my God: O save me according to thy mercy: 27 That they may know that this is thy hand; that thou, LORD, hast done it. 28 Let them curse, but bless thou: when they arise, let them be ashamed; but let thy servant rejoice. 29 Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them cover themselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle. 30 I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praise him among the multitude. 31 For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul.
That's right buddy...your crucifixion is at hand... That's what we are doing to you right now by asking that you type for yourself and stop the bible lesson. You know, there is a wonderfull place called a library... this place houses thousands of books... since it is obvious you love to read you should visit this place called a "library" and scan through some of their books.
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We have and will all travle through and upon different paths in this life. From the poorest to the richest, from the least of us to the greatest. As it appears the commonality of relation and certainty of consciences is evidence of "superstition" which I call "faith"
What I am revealed through my circumstance is what I am revealed through my circumstances. It has been proven to me by the desire upon me to heed the Word of God from the Bible. As I understand, I desire more to believe. "My personal bent", yes, but the tension is necessary.
I have judged you all unrighteously, I am not your judge.
Those who will listen, and those who will not, all have thier own judge. For my judgment is not blameless, therefore it is my own destruction. If you can understand me, you do well.
Why love? Because love exist. How so do I know? Because of the account of Jesus. "No man hath greater love than this, that a man lay down His life for his brethren." Not physical life, but eternal life, and Jesus, according to the Bible was the only one that kept His blameless and perfect. Therefore, being the only one who has life to lay down.
Again I say, I do not ask you to believe, I warn you to believe. But "I" can judge nothing of you righteously. My desire is not to do harm to any of you. All I can do is compare what is said with what the Word of God (the Bible) has said, and wait upon God.
I was waiting in the waiting room at the veterians clinic yesterday, pondering in which direction I have been dragging this discussion. Recognizing I was in a waiting room, I expected to find magizines, one in perticular I was hoping to find was Sceintific American. To my delight the Sept 2005 issue titled "The Crossroads of Planet Earth" had just been put back on the shelf by a patient who had been looking through it. I quickly grabbed it and while I waited for my old Grandpa's diagnosis of type 2 diabetis, and the medication that had been perscribed to stabilize the desease I continued for the next hour and a half to read it.
On the third or forth page in, I began to read a well written article on the next 45 years of planet earth from a scientific stand point. I found it quite similar to the statements and and outlook you have suggested glassman. Almost as if you had just read it yourself, but tweaked in some spiritual issues, is this true? (just curious). It may well be, that your proposed outlook of science and the world has been well thought of for much longer than the Sept 05 issue of Scientific American.
Anyhow, as I read more through the science study and predictions of the population growth/ scientific progress/ energy issues/ wealth issues/ health issues/ economic issues/ and enviormental issues, I did not find it surprising that there were no God issues. Scientist are much expecting this world to continue, and to get much better, with the next few years up ahead being the hardest that we are likly to face for the next 45 years regarding the global economy and the eviorment.
Understandably so. Science is indeed making progression for the better of mankind. Effieciency and humility is the prospective hope for the next 45 years to those who understand what the world is undergoing(the scientist). Presumably, because of science and the enormous benifits it offers with fixing this world that "our ignorance and arrogance" is destroying, it will dawn soon enough on the masses that unless we all unify with one goal in mind; to bring this world into a better way of life for everyone and set aside greed and selfishness, working together with the benefits of science and learning how to better our lives with humility and integrity, then, as a global economy/ and from an enviormental perspective this world will revert back to a "stone age, or the dark ages". Which all makes very very much sence. Scientificly it is so!
Then that is the extent of what to believe and what to pursue and work towards right? If science has become God.. or the workings of God, in other words if science will make this world "good" or better which INDEED it will.
Then as long as we worship and serve science we will indeed protect ourselves from physical destruction and harm. Clearly this will be a "better" way of life, because it will sustain the masses longer, and easier than what is possible at the present.
What strikes me as very much alarming is the prophecies of the Bible regarding the end of the world, and the signs that shall be of the matter. I quote:
Matthew 16: 1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. 3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because (sin)iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation(Satan), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in(have rule over) the holy place(the churches and congragations), (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea(churches and congrations) flee into the mountains(fear God): 17 Let him which is on the housetop(preaching the Gospel) not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field(preaching the Gospel) return back to take his clothes.
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the (true believers)elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders(turn on your television to a christian station and watch it for about an hour, or attentd a church that practices the "power or annointing" of the Holy Ghost, and heals); insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect[i](true believers). 25 Behold, I have told you before.
What I have quoted above from the Bible are some of the words Jesus spoke to His disciples, and what Jesus had told His disciples to preach to the world concerning the end of the world. If Jesus is our Lord and the Son of God, who represents God to man, which all of the holy scriptures(the Bible) testify of in intricate harmony and detail, then these words are true.
I quote more scripture which shows me the end of the world is nigh, even at the doors. Specificlly regarding the marvels that science has begotten, and what it intends to produce.
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
As it would appear that the worship of science as God (our sustainer) is the likely scenario(and is already now) in which many will say (and are saying) "peace and saftey" as the result of, we are warned to NOT trust in it.
But what happens when you begin to proclaim to the masses that the world has forsaken God, and He IS going to come swiftly to return the evil upon man (judgment)? You get a great many people finding every oppurtunity they can possibly think of (such as the fathom of evolution) to discredit the Bible's athority over mankind. Am I shocked? Not at all! Why? I quote from the Bible again regarding the preaching of the end of the world, and the Gospel of God.:
2 Peter 2:3 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts (imaginations), 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Evolution.
But it goes on to say more about what they are scoffing about:
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
The reference in bold is referring to when God brought judgment upon the world in the form of a flood that destroyed ALL of every living thing(fossils are evidence) EXCEPT those that God had warned and had saved. Only 8 souls were spared on the ark that floated above the waters of judgment.
To the scoffers there is more told:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
In other words, it is God who is waiting for all those He would save to become saved, in the fulness of time! His time!
Only ignorance can say the Bible is not true. That is ignorance because there is no proof that it is not entirely true. It is true to its word, and it always has been in every detail. The laws of science also testify of its trustworthyness.
I quote as to some explaination:
Luke 17: 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Gensis 6: My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
10,100,1000(as represented in the Bible as "complete") and 12(as "fullness") God had revealed to Noah that in God's "complete fullness" of time He was going to bring judgment on man in those days.
Genesis 6: 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD....
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Notice, God told Noah he was going to destroy mankind and every living thing by judgment. Similarly He also tells all true believers (through His Word - the Bible) what will be the end of the world and judgment immediatly after.
He does this to protect true believers from deception, but only when you are a true believer can you understand.
Only Noah, his wife, his 3 sons, and his sons' wives were spared. Noah and his family are a picture of who will be saved from the impending judgment. Why did Noah find grace in the eyes of the Lord? I quote:
2 Peter2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government.
quote:the warnings are there, but you are missing the point... assume the yoke and do something, instead of begging for some sort of divine interventuion.
What I can do is teach the Bible, and that is what I wish to do.
Psalm 119:5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes! 6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments. 7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments. 8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly. 9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
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i read SCIENCE all the time... Scientific American is good, but i don't subscribe, and i do read it if i come across it..
spriritually speaking? you must realise that a scientist is forced to clear their mind of pre-conceieved notions to make valid scientific conclusions...
i am an artist.... i do just the opposite... i work my butt off to understand the how/why of people do what they do, see what they see, and DON'T see what they don't see... my job is to hold a mirror up to you and make you see something you never saw before...
so? i have to grasp what everybody HAS seen, so i can "find" something fresh that they haven't... scientist SHOULD also have a good cross-reference to know what other scientists are doing and have accomplished too...sometimes? a discovery in one feild has even more important or broader impications in another feild, but neither scintist bothers to look up from their own work long enough to notice...
the internet is tying this all together nicely... click a couple keys and it's all there..the good and the bad... we needed this badly..
as far as GOD goes? GOD is everywhere..even in the internet....
so many serious problems are being solved, and we are so much closer to solving more pronblems than people even know we have that i can't begin to tell you.. BUT? we are also on the verge of destroying the earth that we have been charged with CONSERVING.... it is th only place GOD has given US...WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE IT HERE..NOW...
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That is a very good explaination of an artist, I see you understand the physiology of your profession, and the conception of art very well.
Brother, I do not mean to contend with you as I intervine with thoughts to consider.
quote:as far as GOD goes? GOD is everywhere..even in the internet....
I'm sure you are well aware, that statement is an extreme generalization, however reasonbly true? God is everywhere, yes He is the essence of all things in creation. The light He created reflects off of the things He has created which gives us knowledge to understand what we see. What you see and hear, taste, and feel could be considered vibrations of God, it all exist by the Word of God.
However the Bible states that man relates to and understands God in his soul and spirit. Because man is flesh, and soul.
John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Psalms 139:8 - If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
1 Corinthians 15:45 - And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:47 - The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Another few verses that describe in a bit more detail what you said are:
Romans 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
God is indicating in the above verse that because the witness of creation is clearly seen and understood by man, it is evidence of His supreme Holiness, and righteousness. Futhermore God is saying that "YES indeed, I will hold EVERY man accountable for that which defiles the righteousness of God, because in man's heart man knows my Holiness and perfection for I have created MAN in MY image - holy and righteous, but man has strayed from my law, and my commandment."
The humbling news is that God has mercy, and that He has planned to save some from thier own destruction. He fullfilled the requirements of salvation through the blameless life He lived through the person of Jesus Christ. He was made into the sacrificial lamb that God had promised the believers of old, and He was slaughtered at His own hand, dead in is His body, but remained alive in His spirit. His spirit eneterd back into His body after 3 days and appeared to those who saw him crucified.
He was conceived of the Holy Spirit. He could not sin, He knew no sin, He was and is the only one who is worthy of salvation. He is God, and there is no righteousness in us, but in HIM.
John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Revelation 5: 1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
It all says the same thing my brothers and sisters... How unreachable the perfection of God had become once Adam our brother knew sin. "7 seals that No one could unloose" It's a picture of the perfection of God that NOBODY could acheive, but behold Jesus lay down His life and Now is our Lord.
Revelation 5: 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Good night, and I pray for you hearers.
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The old testament Quotes can justify any behavior imaginable. Jesus is rarely eluded to in modern christian churches, He didn'n have enough honor , pride, and country, for these christians . He didnt join the army, and there was lots of wars to fight. Deep down they think he was just another "sand nigger" , yes that is what I here christians calling arab people
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Most people in non third war countries of today live within a boundry of behaviors which are acceptable to a man made government of rules and regulations. There will always be those who brake those "ordinary" behaviors that are practiced as acceptible.
The structures of societies exist in the interest of those who form that structure. Value is value because of the people's interest in such.
If I had no need or want for a car then would I need or want a car? No I would not value it enough to trade my value(money) for one.
What does a man truely have if He is rich in all He has? The same as someone who is poor. Awareness of existence.
Indeed money has become the value trading system in which men give it value by the interest they have within themselves. However, it does not add any more to the awareness of life.
That same goes for all structures of value in this world. A Family is wonderful because it comes from the Lord and adds to our awareness of life. Families are indeed good from the Lord and a blessing.
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quote:The old testament Quotes can justify any behavior imaginable. Jesus is rarely eluded to in modern christian churches, He didn'n have enough honor , pride, and country, for these christians . He didnt join the army, and there was lots of wars to fight. Deep down they think he was just another "sand nigger" , yes that is what I here christians calling arab people
Ignorance can also be the justifier of any behavior imaginable. Those who seek not a matter fully to heart are those who are ignorant - such as those who quote the old testament to justify their own will and lust of curruption.
The use of the term christian has become fluidity by much of the world today. It could mean 10 different things to 10 different people. What does it mean when you call someone a Christian, and what does it mean when someone calls themselves Christian?
It appears that if someone attends a Christian church then I guess they would have the right to call themselves christian, sure they have that right. However, most of the western world of life are slack concerning thier intigrity and the true meaning of Christian. That is why "the truth is evil spoken of" 2 Peter 2:2 - And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
It certainly does appear the "american" government and way of life have become "christian", but I beg you to understand that by no means, is the american way of life and government the truth!
As I stated earlier that the worlds structure is based upon the interest of the people in the world, and people have imaginations of evil from the truth. Therefore the value in or of this world is evil concerning the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.
The world will continue in its rebellious and evil way until the return of Christ and the end of the world. The lust for the "value" in this world has even infected the places deemed by God to hold the truth (the churches and congragations) insomuch that God will judge thier perverse ways and will utterly destroy their abominations.
God speaks of all this in the Bible with terrible language.
1 Peter 4:17 - For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Jeremiah 1:16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshipped the works of their own hands.
Jeremiah 2:4 Hear ye the word of the LORD, O house of Jacob, and all the families of the house of Israel: 5 Thus saith the LORD, What iniquity have your fathers found in me, that they are gone far from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain?
8 The priests said not, Where is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit. 9 Wherefore I will yet plead with you, saith the LORD, and with your children's children will I plead.
11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit. 12 Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the LORD. 13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
19 Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.
Isaiah 28:7 - But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. 8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. 14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. 15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
God is indicating in His Word that because the world and specifically the people called by His name "christians" have forsaken the fear of God, and have followed gospels from THEIR OWN MINDS and have not harkened to the judgments of God(the whole Bible), and have decided this is how they will escape the wrath of God, they have sown destruction to themselves, and it will utterly be terrible. (It is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet.)
So then, the messege is still the same:
Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.Posts: 304 | From: Arizona | Registered: Jul 2005
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