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With the establishment of a government in Iraq, the terrorists have been defeated.
They will never be able to gain a foothold in the mideast.
They will never be able to overthrow and take over any country.
All they can hope for is to continue to be an irritant at times, and this will decrease over time.
Bush has done it.
Sure they will continue their attacks, but not with any popular support.
Those who deny that the war in Iraq had anything to do with the war on terror, will deny that the terrorists have lost. They were blind then and will be blind now. The handwriting is on the wall and it says the terrorists have lost their war against the USA.
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If you restrict your sources to only Rush and the other republican hacks, yes, the ""insurgency" seems to be primarily(99%) Suni Muslims..". But those training camps in the Iraqi desert are not being run by Suni. Of course, Rush doesn't count those....or anything else that doesn't support the party line.
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Art, after reading your post here, I now know never to trust anything you post on Allstocks. You have no idea what you are talking about. If your DD on stocks is as bad as it is on current events, then no one should trust your DD.
Iraq had nothing to with terrorism until the USA decided to attack it under false pretences; now it is a breading ground for terrorist. Young Arab man can go into Iraq and fight for a couple of months, then go back to there homeland and join up with Al-Queda, they would have a higher ranking since they served in Iraq. That scares the crap out of me.
I hope we win the war on terror in the future, but you are an ignorant person to think that we have toppled the terrorist network. For every one we kill in Iraq, 10 more are created elsewhere in the Middle East. The odds are not in our favor at this time. It will take 50 years until we will know if we have won the peace against Al-Queda.
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Tuesday, 10 May Insurgents have abducted the governor of one of Iraq's most dangerous provinces and called for an end to US operations close to the Syrian border.
quote:Originally posted by Northerlights#5: Art, after reading your post here, I now know never to trust anything you post on Allstocks. You have no idea what you are talking about. If your DD on stocks is as bad as it is on current events, then no one should trust your DD.
Iraq had nothing to with terrorism until the USA decided to attack it under false pretences; now it is a breading ground for terrorist. Young Arab man can go into Iraq and fight for a couple of months, then go back to there homeland and join up with Al-Queda, they would have a higher ranking since they served in Iraq. That scares the crap out of me.
I hope we win the war on terror in the future, but you are an ignorant person to think that we have toppled the terrorist network. For every one we kill in Iraq, 10 more are created elsewhere in the Middle East. The odds are not in our favor at this time. It will take 50 years until we will know if we have won the peace against Al-Queda.
You think the terrorists are defeating the USA and bringing down Iraq?
You think Iran and Syria aren't scared to death of the USA military presence in Iraq, and this can't be used as leverage to contain their support of terrorism, or leverage to spawn democratic movements in Iran and Syria?
You think that Israel and the Palestinian move toward pecace has nothing to do with the USA military presence in Iraq?
You think the majority of Iraqis have not been behind the USA from the time Saddam was defeated?
You don't think it is the Iraqis that will help defeat terrorism where the USA presence in Iraq served as a magnet to draw them out where they could be killed?
Do you truly believe the terrorist movement is growing now instead of shrinking now? Sure they are fighting a last desperate effort in Iraq now because they know full well their whole future as a movement is at stake the more Iraq moves toward democratic self-government - a battle or survival made possible only because Bush invaded - a battle thay have lost but don't yet realize it.
From this point on terrorism will fade and eventually die to a level of rare attacks. Not that this can't be serious - a rare attack with a nuclear weapon is most serious. But we have delayed, and made less frequent, such attacks only because of invading Iraq.
Invading Iraq had everything to do with fighting terrorism.
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Art, how long do you think the war on terrorism has been going on for. This is a world wide fight and not just in Iraq. Yes I do think all the stuff you stated above is good, but it is just a start, if you think that all the terrorist in the world will disappear by the end of Bush’s term, then you are crazy.
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Art:You think the majority of Iraqis have not been behind the USA from the time Saddam was defeated?
glassman: i do think the majority of Iraqis want US gone as fast as they can get rid of US, and the INSURGENTS are in fact slowing this process down....
hmmmmmmm.......
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Let’s hope Bush and his boys fight the War on Terror better then they have fought the War on Drugs. There is more opium growing in Afghanistan then ever before, how do you think the terrorist get their funds, its all from the opium trade.
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wow wow wow!!! lets leave the opium out of this conv... what did opium ever do to u??
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Art:You think the majority of Iraqis have not been behind the USA from the time Saddam was defeated?
glassman: i do think the majority of Iraqis want US gone as fast as they can get rid of US, and the INSURGENTS are in fact slowing this process down....
hmmmmmmm.......
Art: That's wrong. Now that they have their own government, they could ask us to leave at anytime. If this is politically popular they will do it. Watch them not do it. If they took a vote today, the majority of Iraqis would want the USA to stay. You listen to a few hundred insurgents and ignore the millions of Iraqi citizens.
hmmmmmmmmm....
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quote:Originally posted by Northerlights#5: Art, how long do you think the war on terrorism has been going on for. This is a world wide fight and not just in Iraq. Yes I do think all the stuff you stated above is good, but it is just a start, if you think that all the terrorist in the world will disappear by the end of Bush’s term, then you are crazy.
No, I don't think terrorism will ever end. It is a very efficient form of warfare in which a small number of people can do terrible harm with biochemical and nuclear weapons. When the mideast is democratic, as will happen with time, it will reduce there to the level that we have today in the USA from home-grown terrorist. We are reducing it now in Palestine and Israel, and turning the corner in Iraq. More and more, Iraqis will take over the fight against terrorism, from this point on.
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You think you know everything about everybody and everything.
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)
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quote:Originally posted by Northerlights#5: Let’s hope Bush and his boys fight the War on Terror better then they have fought the War on Drugs. There is more opium growing in Afghanistan then ever before, how do you think the terrorist get their funds, its all from the opium trade.
True. All drugs should be legal. We waste more money fighting drugs than we accomplish. If we made all drugs legal we would also have to make individuals responsible for themselves - no welfare, no free treatment for drug problems, max sentences for crimes where drugs played a role in the criminal behavior never did, letting crack babies die in cases where the family can not assume sole support of the baby (no welfare thus no government support). Then we could legalize drugs (and I could get mine real cheap!).
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quote:Originally posted by Northerlights#5: You think you know everything about everybody and everything.
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)
Appreciate the compliment.
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I also think all drugs should be legal, but if everything else you stated were true, then why would we need a government. I mean if the government would not use the money we gave them to help us out, then why would people pay taxes.
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quote:Originally posted by Northerlights#5: Let’s hope Bush and his boys fight the War on Terror better then they have fought the War on Drugs. There is more opium growing in Afghanistan then ever before, how do you think the terrorist get their funds, its all from the opium trade.
True. All drugs should be legal. We waste more money fighting drugs than we accomplish. If we made all drugs legal we would also have to make individuals responsible for themselves - no welfare, no free treatment for drug problems, max sentences for crimes where drugs played a role in the criminal behavior never did, letting crack babies die in cases where the family can not assume sole support of the baby (no welfare thus no government support). Then we could legalize drugs (and I could get mine real cheap!).
LOL Art i agree with you... in part anyway
not all welfare is drug-related, and many good people come out of the system... it's the lifestyle that we need to defeat...
here in Mississississisip? the rich are getting MUCH richer every month when the GOVT pays out the rent subsidies... and the shacks they rent out? they are a national disgrace...Haley will have that to overcome if he runs for the big cheese.... we won't look too good on TV if they come dayown heyere and "cross the RR tracks"..i'm not jokin'
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quote:Originally posted by Northerlights#5: I also think all drugs should be legal, but if everything else you stated were true, then why would we need a government. I mean if the government would not use the money we gave them to help us out, then why would people pay taxes.
The government should regulate relations among citizens, morality to achieve the greatest good for the greatest number as codified in law, and defend the citizens (both from against each other and from external sources). Government should not be in the charity business - that should be up to the individual.
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Glassman: not all welfare is drug-related, and many good people come out of the system... it's the lifestyle that we need to defeat...
Art: No, if someone can aford to use drugs, and their family or friends come to help them when they need help, fine
But if their have no family or friends or self-support, they should be be left to die if this is a result of their drug use - if they starve because of spending all they have on drugs, so be it. We even have people paying for drugs with welfare - idiotic! As long as we have welfare, it will support drug use in some way.
Glassman: here in Mississississisip? the rich are getting MUCH richer every month when the GOVT pays out the rent subsidies... and the shacks they rent out? they are a national disgrace...Haley will have that to overcome if he runs for the big cheese.... we won't look too good on TV if they come dayown heyere and "cross the RR tracks"..i'm not jokin'
Art: Poverty will always exist. It should be an individual responsiblity and not government's. People who can't sacrifice and slowly work themselves out of poverty should die - the sooner the better. A strong nation that elevates the standard of living for the greatest number of its citizens will not spend one cent on supporting parasites who have no hope of ever being self-supportive (only charity and family should take this on).
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Then why can't we defend our selves, why do we need the government doing charity work for us. Everything you posted is a charity act; defending a citizen is a charity act.
If someone was getting beaten and I ran up and helped him out, that would be a charity act on my part. If a cop helped the person out, that would also be a charity act.
You live in a black and white world, if you lost your job and your house caught on fire and your insurance company would not cover you because they went bankrupt, wouldn’t you want the government to help you out.
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Glassman: I seem to recall that Clinton was successful in getting people off welfare... don't here much about that anymore...
Art: Yes, after Gringrich put forth a contract with America in which welfare would be reformed. Clinton co-opted this from conservatives, to be able to do something, after conservatives in congress blocked his liberal agenda.
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We should cut all of the big corporations off of welfare as soon as possible. We give the airline industry more welfare in a year then we give to all the poor people. All the pork in all the bills passed in Washington gives out more money to stupid worthless things then any poor person has taken from the system.
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Northerlights#5: Then why can't we defend our selves, why do we need the government doing charity work for us.
Art: Needs to centrally organized and controlled.We need elected officials to decide how and when to attack.
N.: Everything you posted is a charity act; defending a citizen is a charity act. If someone was getting beaten and I ran up and helped him out, that would be a charity act on my part.
Art: Yes.
N. If a cop helped the person out, that would also be a charity act.
Art: No.
N.: You live in a black and white world, if you lost your job and your house caught on fire and your insurance company would not cover you because they went bankrupt, wouldn’t you want the government to help you out.
Art: Yes. But sounds like I have some blame here - how did I lose my job and why didn't I find another one? Why did I select a bad insurance company? Why should anyone be forced to cover my losses for my stupid decisions, which would be the case if government bailed me out?
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quote:Originally posted by Northerlights#5: We should cut all of the big corporations off of welfare as soon as possible. We give the airline industry more welfare in a year then we give to all the poor people. All the pork in all the bills passed in Washington gives out more money to stupid worthless things then any poor person has taken from the system.
Absolutely. Politicians always argue why we need to raise taxes but never try to cut out the vast waste in government spending. Right now thousands of government workers are buying personal items with federal credit cards that are ony supposed to be used for government purchases.
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Do you think we need to cut off our welfare to Afghanistan or should we keep sending there government hundred of millions of dollars to feed, vaccinate, educate & much more for the people of Afghanistan.
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quote:Originally posted by Northerlights#5: Do you think we need to cut off our welfare to Afghanistan or should we keep sending there government hundred of millions of dollars to feed, vaccinate, educate & much more for the people of Afghanistan.
i feel strongly that we should have invaded and THEN spent a LOT of money making Afgh. the Jewel of the area...this would have been a prime example of what WE can do(instead of destroy) .....
instead we got distracted.... they supported Al-Queda, Sadam DID NOT...they had it coming to them...
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I totally agree with you on that one glassman, we could have set up the strongest democracy in that entire hemisphere if we put the money and time in to it. We are the strongest country in the world, but we are stretched so thin right now that I hope they don’t have a draft, because I am still in that age bracket.
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