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If and when he is caught, what do you think an appropriate punishment would be? Torture alone wouldn't satisfy me if he is responsible for as much as he has been accused of.
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He'll probably be held for life. When he's caught, he'll be interogated for months if not years. He probably won't ever be executed, if he's caught alive. I know what should be done to him, but its not civilized. Thats what makes us better than them, we repect peoples life, even if they don't respect ours.
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That's true...but I can't help thinking those evil thoughts everytime I hear about another hostage or beheading that is linked to him. He'll eventually get what's coming to him in this life or the next. Hope he enjoys hot, dry climates, cause it's very hot where he's going.
Janie
quote:Originally posted by kbpkt: He'll probably be held for life. When he's caught, he'll be interogated for months if not years. He probably won't ever be executed, if he's caught alive. I know what should be done to him, but its not civilized. Thats what makes us better than them, we repect peoples life, even if they don't respect ours.
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interesting how Bush says one day, he will never give decisions about security over.....and then does it...(we've apparently been holding off for months on this because the iraq govt didn't want this)
the worst part is that he was accusing Kerry of being dangerous to our safety for doing it.....
i am sick of the propaganda....
i know, the interim government is really ours anyway, but this is just another example of why i have become disenchanted....cuz they are all full of it...
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What bothers me is that they have had him and other extremists cornered at times, but they back off and let the clerics and interim government intervene. I agree it is their country to lead and the sooner they take full control of it the better. As much as I hate to say it, if the election wasn't as soon as it is, and wasn't as close as it is, and if he really didn't care what the rest of the world thought about us as a country, Bush would have already taken Zarqawi and a bunch of others out. He does care. He has been walking on eggshells, just like our troops....to heck with being politically correct, not one soldier's life is worth it.
quote:Originally posted by keithsan: spin, glass, come'on, he is not handing over the security of our country.....
he is trying to hand over the security of iraq to iraqi's, notice the prominent role recently playing in smaller (practice) cities...
PERMISSION to take Fallujah was finally granted......choke, cough...... it wouldn't matter except this is what he tried twist into Kerry's words that's all...
the way things have been run in iraq look much more like intentional de-stabilization.... the abu-graib pictures were the epitome of slapping moslems in the face......
did you know that strict moslems don't even believe that is proper to portray the human body in art at all??????? this is because(in their belief system) Allah created us and it is hubrous to attempt to encroach upon His work..... art is a window to the mind...
that's what we are dealing with, and that's why i have been trying to tell people that the US has no freaking clue what we are trying to do...and what we are up against NO clue at all....
the abu-graib pix just about guaranteed US another 911....
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i still don't buy the spin of it. yes, major differences, our life is to be lived here for SOME of them, the greater land lies ahead.....
Is it a better idea for our army to storm around the mosques, no.
The screw up wasnt the presidents words, but, the fact they they didn't take these areas hard enough a long long time ago. Making it tougher to fight now. That was a screw up, no matter who called the shots.
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the abu-graib pix just about guaranteed US another 911....
Many of the people from this country do not understand their traditions, customs, and the way they think. I'm sure that this is not the first time something like that has happened. While I don't excuse it and view it as very cruel and inhumane, the things Saddam did or had others do are rumored to be worse. Rape rooms, torture chambers, throwing people off of buildings, hangings, chopping off heads, hands, fingers, etc. The way he gassed the Kurds and the mass graves that we have discovered point to things that are just as bad if not worse in many ways.
While I think those responsible for mistreating those prisoners should be punished, I have to wonder why in the world the media publicizes things like these, to the degree that they do, when we are living in times like these...not very smart on their part...IMHO
quote:Originally posted by mondayschild: the abu-graib pix just about guaranteed US another 911....
Many of the people from this country do not understand their traditions, customs, and the way they think. I'm sure that this is not the first time something like that has happened. While I don't excuse it and view it as very cruel and inhumane, the things Saddam did or had others do are rumored to be worse. Rape rooms, torture chambers, throwing people off of buildings, hangings, chopping off heads, hands, fingers, etc. The way he gassed the Kurds and the mass graves that we have discovered point to things that are just as bad if not worse in many ways.
While I think those responsible for mistreating those prisoners should be punished, I have to wonder why in the world the media publicizes things like these, to the degree that they do, when we are living in times like these...not very smart on their part...IMHO
Janie
Janie.... i don't need to wonder why they were all over the news...
it's VERY clear why they were all over.... just as it's very clear why they were made at all.....
these "incidents" were not the result of "carelessness" they are too well constructed....little girls from West Virginia don't come up with his kind of stuff.....
saying Saddam was worse don't cut it.... that is NOT moral high ground..we SINK to a level above him and that makes it OK???
that's excuses again... the little guys are suffering the blame and the admin is covering up --for now.... the truth has been spoken, but not picked up by the news...the WSJ did some coverage.... the same stuff and maybe worse was going on at Gitmo too.....
i personally am not abhorred at what it takes to succeed in war.... what abhorrs me is how the war is being constructed..... and i can't believe how many people are watching it and not SEEING it...
Have you ever been to West Virginia? In the first place, I was born there...lived there for ten years or more on and off. Not everyone there is what some would call a "hillbilly"...but there are some.
Do I believe she came up with that idea all by herself? NO Do I believe someone ordered her to do this? NO Do I believe she was going along with the "crowd"? YES
Everyone and anyone involved should be punished.
As for the media, I think they make matters worse in cases like these...the more you stir it the more it stinks!
Janie
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Janie.... i don't need to wonder why they were all over the news...
it's VERY clear why they were all over.... just as it's very clear why they were made at all.....
these "incidents" were not the result of "carelessness" they are too well constructed....little girls from West Virginia don't come up with his kind of stuff.....
saying Saddam was worse don't cut it.... that is NOT moral high ground..we SINK to a level above him and that makes it OK???
that's excuses again... the little guys are suffering the blame and the admin is covering up --for now.... the truth has been spoken, but not picked up by the news...the WSJ did some coverage.... the same stuff and maybe worse was going on at Gitmo too.....
i personally am not abhorred at what it takes to succeed in war.... what abhorrs me is how the war is being constructed..... and i can't believe how many people are watching it and not SEEING it...
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i have a lot of family in WV..there is even a rather large city named after one of my ancestors
i wasn't being critical of WV, i was being critical of some of the planners.....
do some DD you will find that memeo's from Rumsfeld have been published ordering very strong interrogation techniques.....way beyond what the average american wants to accept...
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saying Saddam was worse don't cut it.... that is NOT moral high ground..we SINK to a level above him and that makes it OK???
I didn't say it was OK. I said it was cruel and inhumane...and that EVERYONE involved in the mistreatment of those prisoners should be punished. The point that I was making was that while the actions at the prison were beyond terrible and inexcusable, this is not just a "moslem" issue. Saddam considered himself a moslem when it was convenient for him to do so....he had people tortured, raped and killed. I wasn't making excuses for anyone.
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I didn't think you were being critical of West Virginia.
I know there are many things that have been covered up, not just by the current administration, but by many.
There's a reason they take these captives to third world countries or undisclosed locations...But I don't always disagree with it. That may sound bad, but it's the truth.
Janie
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i have a lot of family in WV..there is even a rather large city named after one of my ancestors
i wasn't being critical of WV, i was being critical of some of the planners.....
do some DD you will find that memeo's from Rumsfeld have been published ordering very strong interrogation techniques.....way beyond what the average american wants to accept...
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That's true...and the American court system can't do much about it. Although I feel they have let a few go that in hindsight they should have held on to.
But I do feel that some have been there for a very long time, and a tribunal should have already taken place to decide their future....either they are not a threat or they are...but a decision should have been made at this point.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: the prisoners in Cuba were/are there specifically to make sure that the "liberal" judges and trial lawyers can't defend them...
i'd say that's a clear indication of the intentions....
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Have you ever seen the movie "Matewan"? That's where I grew up. Lived in Virginia for a while...now on the Kentucky/Virginia border. I only get to visit West Virginia during the holidays.
We may not always agree, but I enjoy reading your posts...and others also. I think they miss you on the CKMX board. I read there the other night where someone was asking what had happened to you...LOL
quote:Originally posted by glassman: the prisoners in Cuba were/are there specifically to make sure that the "liberal" judges and trial lawyers can't defend them...
i'd say that's a clear indication of the intentions....
by the way, wouldn't mind moving back to WV now myself.....
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well, they are gonna have to keep on missing me... i should never have gotten so "interested" in CMKX, i think a few did take my advice on UCAD....
i don't like getting into negative stuff, and this campaign has been just as negative/worse LOL..
it will be over soon and we can go back to picking winners, i hope.....
the markets haven't decided what to do yet....
i haven't seen Matewan...but i am familiar with the area..... i grew up in MD, lived on the VA/NC state line for several years....right at the outer banks (Moyock NC/ Chesapeake VA)...NICE......good fishin'
and i guess i'm still as big a trouble maker as i always was...LOL
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I never have viewed you as a "troublemaker". Sometimes, telling the truth just isn't that pretty. You can't always tell people what they want to hear if it isn't in their best interest.
Myself, I would rather hear the truth. I try to keep an opened mind about everything...and have no problem saying I was wrong when someone can prove it to me.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: well, they are gonna have to keep on missing me... i should never have gotten so "interested" in CMKX, i think a few did take my advice on UCAD....
i don't like getting into negative stuff, and this campaign has been just as negative/worse LOL..
it will be over soon and we can go back to picking winners, i hope.....
the markets haven't decided what to do yet....
i haven't seen Matewan...but i am familiar with the area..... i grew up in MD, lived on the VA/NC state line for several years....right at the outer banks (Moyock NC/ Chesapeake VA)...NICE......good fishin'
and i guess i'm still as big a trouble maker as i always was...LOL
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quote:Originally posted by mondayschild: If and when he is caught, what do you think an appropriate punishment would be? Torture alone wouldn't satisfy me if he is responsible for as much as he has been accused of.
Torture is inhumane and would only prove this animal's point about us. When he is caught he should be interogated. When he is done telling us what we need to know he should be killed cleanly and swiftly. Momentls later the interrogator should walk calmly out of the interrogation room and say: "Next".
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You are right, it is inhumane to torture anyone, even a terrorist...and he will get what's coming to him in one way or another.
When the captives he beheaded appeared on television, especially the Asian gentleman, it wasn't hard to sense their fear.
My heart goes out to all of their families. And it really makes me angry..fighting mad actually. I don't even know these people personally and could only begin to imagine how I would feel if I had known them or if they were related to me.
But you are right, we don't treat people inhumanely...and that's what separates us from them. We respect their lives even if they don't respect ours. In most cases with all of the suicide bombers, I doubt they respect their own lives.
Janie
quote:Originally posted by DiQuiRiesco: Torture is inhumane and would only prove this animal's point about us. When he is caught he should be interogated. When he is done telling us what we need to know he should be killed cleanly and swiftly. Momentls later the interrogator should walk calmly out of the interrogation room and say: "Next".
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