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since the last debate is over and only 37% of the people thought Bush won. it's time to move on......
this an OLD, OLD article....

PRE 9-11
and i think that is important to keep in mind as you read it......


Firm's Iraq Deals Greater Than Cheney Has Said
By Colum Lynch
Washington Post
June 23, 2001

During last year's presidential campaign, Richard B. Cheney acknowledged that the oil-field supply corporation he headed, Halliburton Co., did business with Libya and Iran through foreign subsidiaries. But he insisted that he had imposed a "firm policy" against trading with Iraq.

"Iraq's different," he said.

According to oil industry executives and confidential United Nations records, however, Halliburton held stakes in two firms that signed contracts to sell more than $73 million in oil production equipment and spare parts to Iraq while Cheney was chairman and chief executive officer of the Dallas-based company.

Two former senior executives of the Halliburton subsidiaries say that, as far as they knew, there was no policy against doing business with Iraq. One of the executives also says that although he never spoke directly to Cheney about the Iraqi contracts, he is certain Cheney knew about them.

Mary Matalin, Cheney's counselor, said that if he "was ever in a conversation or meeting where there was a question of pursuing a project with someone in Iraq, he said, 'No.' "

"In a joint venture, he would not have reviewed all their existing contracts," Matalin said. "The nature of those joint ventures was that they had a separate governing structure, so he had no control over them."

The trade was perfectly legal. Indeed, it is a case study of how U.S. firms routinely use foreign subsidiaries and joint ventures to avoid the opprobrium of doing business with Baghdad, which does not violate U.S. law as long as it occurs within the "oil-for-food" program run by the United Nations.

Halliburton's trade with Iraq was first reported by The Washington Post in February 2000. But U.N. records recently obtained by The Post show that the dealings were more extensive than originally reported and than Vice President Cheney has acknowledged.

As secretary of defense in the first Bush administration, Cheney helped to lead a multinational coalition against Iraq in the Persian Gulf War and to devise a comprehensive economic embargo to isolate Saddam Hussein's government. After Cheney was named in 1995 to head Halliburton, he promised to maintain a hard line against Baghdad.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/oilforfood/2001/0627chen.htm


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hey Keith still think the French are our enemies???LOL

But in 1998, Cheney oversaw Halliburton's acquisition of Dresser Industries Inc., which exported equipment to Iraq through two subsidiaries of a joint venture with another large U.S. equipment maker, Ingersoll-Rand Co.

The subsidiaries, Dresser-Rand and Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co., sold water and sewage treatment pumps, spare parts for oil facilities and pipeline equipment to Baghdad through French affiliates from the first half of 1997 to the summer of 2000, U.N. records show. Ingersoll Dresser Pump also signed contracts -- later blocked by the United States -- to help repair an Iraqi oil terminal that U.S.-led military forces destroyed in the Gulf War.


http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/oilforfood/2001/0627chen.htm


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this is just the tip of the iceberg tooo...

it gets a lot better...
just wait....


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"opprobrium"

Just love that word...never thought to use it on another thread. LOL

Funny, but the way Cheney speaks out of the side of his mouth always looks like he is a bit sideways of the truth.

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just a bit sideways of the truth, eh...LOL

Cheney link of Iraq, 9/11 challenged
By Anne E. Kornblut and Bryan Bender , Globe Staff and Globe Correspondent, 9/16/2003

Vincent Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism specialist, said that Cheney's "willingness to use speculation and conjecture as facts in public presentations is appalling. It's astounding."

In particular, current intelligence officials reiterated yesterday that a reported Prague visit in April 2001 between Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi agent had been discounted by the CIA, which sent former agency Director James R. Woolsey to investigate the claim. Woolsey did not find any evidence to confirm the report, officials said, and President Bush did not include it in the case for war in his State of the Union address last January.

But Cheney, on NBC's "Meet the Press," cited the report of the meeting as possible evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda link and said it was neither confirmed nor discredited, saying

: "We've never been able to develop any more of that yet, either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don't know."

Multiple intelligence officials said that the Prague meeting, purported to be between Atta and senior Iraqi intelligence officer Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, was dismissed almost immediately after it was reported by Czech officials in the aftermath of Sept. 11 and has since been discredited further

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/16/cheney_link_of_iraq_911_challenged/

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/24/cheney.leahy/

Cheney, who as president of the Senate was present for the picture day, turned to Leahy and scolded the senator over his recent criticism of the vice president for Halliburton's alleged war profiteering

In response to Cheney, Leahy reminded Cheney that the vice president had once accused him of being a bad Catholic, to which Cheney replied either "f--- off" or "go f--- yourself


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Keith you there?....
the more i look at Cheney, the more reasons i see why the French refused/refuse to back us in Iraq....some really odd stuff here, that looks way worse than Mike Moore...
i don't even want to put out links....

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LOL- just checking the thread now,
i will do DD in am or evening if interested.

not a big politician fan, cheney included.

france is not the enemy they are just idiots.

Thanks for calling me out, I'm coming with my AK.

bye the way

DOES ANYONE BELIEVE GEORGE BUSH SHOULD BE BEATING ANYONE IN A SPEAKING CONTEST!!!!!!


big Dems claim win. whooo whooooo whooo -LOL


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it's becoming quite obvious that Cheney makes Nixon and Agnew look like Virgin choirboys....
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Heres why the no votes:

FRANCE

February 28, 2003 - Updated, April 1, 2003 | |

France
France controls over 22.5 percent of Iraq’s imports.[1] French total trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program is the third largest, totaling $3.1 billion since 1996, according to the United Nations.[2]
In 2001 France became Iraq’s largest European trading partner. Roughly 60 French companies did an estimated $1.5 billion in trade with Baghdad in 2001 under the U.N. oil-for-food program.[3]
France’s largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated extensive oil contracts to develop the Majnoon and Nahr Umar oil fields in southern Iraq. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the country’s oil reserves. The two fields purportedly contain an estimated 26 billion barrels of oil.[4] In 2002, the non-war price per barrel of oil was $25. Based on that average these two fields have the potential to provide a gross return near $650 billion.
France’s Alcatel company, a major telecom firm, is negotiating a $76 million contract to rehabilitate Iraq’s telephone system.[5]
In 2001 French carmaker Renault SA sold $75 million worth of farming equipment to Iraq.[6]
More objections have been lodged against French export contracts with Iraq than any other exporting country under the oil-for-food program, according to a report published by the London Times. In addition French companies have signed contracts with Iraq worth more than $150 million that are suspected of being linked to its military operations.[7] Some of the goods offered by French companies to Iraq, detailed by UN documents, include refrigerated trucks that can be used as storage facilities and mobile laboratories for biological weapons.
Iraq owes France an estimated $6 billion in foreign debt accrued from arms sales in the 1970s and ‘80s.[8]
From 1981 to 2001, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), France was responsible for over 13 percent of Iraq’s arms imports.[9]


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Germany
Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.[10]
It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies as a reward for Germany’s “firm positive stand in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq.” It was also reported that over 101 German companies were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.[11]
During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002, a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and spare parts.[12]
In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million in contracts for German trucks and spare parts.[13]
Germany is owed billions by Iraq in foreign debt generated during the 1980’s.[14]
German officials are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly intended for Saddam Hussein’s Al Fao Supercannon project.[15] An article in the German daily Tageszeitung reported that of the more than 80 German companies that have done business with Baghdad since around 1975 and have continued to do so up until 2001, many have supplied whole systems or components for weapons of mass destruction.

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Russia
Russia controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq’s annual imports.[16] Under the U.N. oil-for-food program, Russia’s total trade with Iraq was somewhere between $530 million and $1 billion for the six months ending in December of 2001.[17]
According to the Russian Ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, new contracts worth another $200 million under the U.N. oil-for-food program are to be signed over the next three months.[18]
Russia’s LUKoil negotiated a $4 billion, 23-year contract in 1997 to rehabilitate the 15 billion-barrel West Qurna field in southern Iraq. Work on the oil field was expected to commence upon cancellation of U.N. sanctions on Iraq. The deal is currently on hold.[19]
In October 2001, Salvneft, a Russian–Belarus company, negotiated a $52 million service contract to drill at the Tuba field in Southern Iraq.[20]
In April 2001, Russia’s Zaruezhneft and Tatneft companies received a service contract to drill in the Saddam, Kirkuk, and Bai Hassan fields to rehabilitate the fields and reduce water incursion. Together the deals were valued at $13.2 million.[21]
A future $40 billion Iraqi–Russian economic agreement, reportedly signed in 2002, would allow for extensive oil exploration opportunities throughout western Iraq.[22] The proposal calls for 67 new projects, over a 10-year time frame, to explore and further develop fields in southern Iraq and the Western Desert, including the Suba, Luhais, West Qurna, and Rumaila projects. Additional projects added to the deal include second-phase construction of a pipeline running from southern to northern Iraq, and extensive drilling and gas projects. Work on these projects would commence upon cancellation of sanctions.[23]
Russia’s Gazprom Company over the past few years has signed contracts worth $18 million to repair gas stations in Iraq.[24]
The former Soviet Union was the premier supplier of Iraqi arms. From 1981 to 2001, Russia supplied Iraq with 50 percent of its arms.[25]
Soviet-era debt of $7 billion through $8 billion was generated by arms sales to Iraq during the 1980–1988 Iran–Iraq war.
Three Russian firms are suspected of selling electronic jamming equipment, antitank missiles and thousands of night-vision goggles to Iraq in violation of U.N. sanctions.[26] Two of the companies identified are Aviaconversiya and KBP Tula.

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China
China controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq’s annual imports.[27]
China National Oil Company, partnered with China North Industries Corp., negotiated a 22-year-long deal for future oil exploration in the Al Ahdab field in southern Iraq.[28]
In recent years, the Chinese Aero-Technology Import–Export Company (CATIC) has been contracted to sell “meteorological satellite” and “surface observation” equipment to Iraq. The U.N. oil-for-food program approved this contract.[29]
CATIC also won approval from the U.N. in July 2000 to sell $2 million worth of fiber optic cables. This and similar contracts approved were disguised as telecommunications gear. These cables can be used for secure data and communications links between national command and control centers and long-range search radar, targeting radar, and missile-launch units, according to U.S. officials. In addition, China National Electric Wire & Cable and China National Technical Import Telecommunications Equipment Company are believed to have sold Iraq $6 million and $15.5 million worth of communications equipment and other unspecified supplies, respectively.[30]
According to a report from SIPRI, from 1981 to 2001, China was the second largest supplier of weapons and arms to Iraq, supplying over 18 percent of Iraq’s weapons imports.[31]

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http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/24june20041201/www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/03pdf/03-475.pdf


this might interest you a bit....

you know the war in Iraq and 9-11 just kind of made Enron and the National Energy Policy Group seem, well not so important...

apparently there may be some connections....


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so basically they are mad at US because we STOLE all of that from them?? those silly countries....LOL

looks like WW$ is right around the corner...


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hey if i'd realised politics payed this well i'da gone into it along time ago....LOL
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again glass, show me the money, 2 wars now that we stole the oil....

show me the facts.....

dont give me no blood for oil student protest crap either.

if its good, i'll bite.


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Check out this....
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/24june20041201/www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/03pdf/03-475.pdf


clearly lays out a plan that shows INCREASING our dependance on foreign oil.....


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Thanks for the link, but SHOW me we stole!!!!

I can show you hints that france, germany and russia did.

You said 2 wars for oil. Prove a drop of OIL profit, please.


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quote:
Originally posted by keithsan:
again glass, show me the money, 2 wars now that we stole the oil....

show me the facts.....

dont give me no blood for oil student protest crap either.

if its good, i'll bite.


the first war was not stealing, but it was about oil, nobody denies we went Kuwait to PROTECT SAUDI ARABIA from Saddam...
that was a good war....

this one is pretty clear...

obviously i can't prove it....

BUT....

the WMD intel everybody was presented was manufactured by Chalabi and or Allawi....
that is taken for granted ALL OVER the world...only here in America is it questioned......
the only real question is who all was behind the "manufacturing"

and the more i look at our OWN intel community and how they have been treated, i have to conclude that ANYBODY that didn't agree got the AX


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quote:
Originally posted by keithsan:
Thanks for the link, but SHOW me we stole!!!!

I can show you hints that france, germany and russia did.

You said 2 wars for oil. Prove a drop of OIL profit, please.


if you were any of them, you would say we stole it..that's what i meant....those silly countries...this IS spoils of war right?


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we were involved in the oil for food too....


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i have to say, it's been a pretty good propaganda campaign. they started it before they ever got Bush in office....

but oil is/was clearly the goal.....
http://www.fpif.org/papers/03petropol/politics.html

this one is long read, but pretty well written...


According to the Department of Energy, Saudi Arabia's net petroleum output must grow by 133% over the next 25 years, from 10.2 mbd in 2001 to 23.8 mbd in 2025, in order to meet anticipated world requirements at the end of that period (4). Expanding Saudi capacity by 13.6 mbd, which is the equivalent of total current production by the United States and Mexico, will cost hundreds of billions of dollars.

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this is a pretty fun site....
goofy.....
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html

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i just found Cheney's real home page....LOL
http://www-public.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~fischeni/

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i wonder if they argue over who has to play pinkie today???LOL
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