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glassman
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while all the politicians are arguing over the authenticity of some stupid documents how about some more facts....the UN.... we split it, not the French....

14/02/2003
Press Release
SC/7664


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Security Council

4707th Meeting (AM)

IRAQ COOPERATING WITH DISARMAMENT PROCEDURES, BUT MANY BANNED WEAPONS
REMAIN UNACCOUNTED FOR, INSPECTORS TELL SECURITY COUNCIL

‘Immediate, Unconditional and Active’ Cooperation Needed to Resolve Questions;

France, China, Russian Federation, Germany Support Continued Inspection Process


The heads of the weapons inspections regime in Iraq reported to the Security Council today that procedural cooperation in the disarmament process in Iraq continued to improve in recent weeks, and to date they had found no weapons of mass destruction, but many banned weapons remained unaccounted for and that could only be resolved through Iraq’s “immediate, unconditional and active” cooperation.

The Council was meeting for the first time since United States Secretary of State Colin Powell made his case for disarming Iraq by forcelast week, presenting evidence intended to show Iraq was deceiving inspectors in its determination to obtain chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The inspections began on

27 November and were authorized by resolution 1441, which gave Iraq “a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations” dating to 1991 and the end of the Persian Gulf war.

The Executive Chairman of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), Hans Blix, who last briefed the Council on

27 January, said more than 400 inspections at 300 sites had been conducted without notice, access was almost always provided promptly, and there was no convincing evidence that Iraq knew in advance that the inspectors were coming. The recent acceptance of aerial surveillance and interviews of scientists without witnesses, as well as appointment by Iraq of a second commission entrusted with relevant documentation search, had also been positive developments........

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Through the inspections conducted so far, the Commission had obtained a good knowledge of the industrial and scientific landscape of Iraq, he said, as well as of its missile capability, but, as before, it did not know every cave and corner. Inspections were effectively helping to bridge the gap in knowledge that had arisen due to the absence of inspections between December 1998 and November 2002. More than 200 chemical and more than 100 biological samples had been collected at different sites. Three quarters of those had been screened using the Commission’s own laboratory analytical capabilities at the Baghdad Centre (BOMVIC). The results to date had been consistent with Iraq’s declarations......

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Turning to plans for the immediate future, he said that yesterday UNMOVIC had informed the Iraqi authorities of its intention to start using the U-2 surveillance aircraft early next week under arrangements similar to those UNSCOM had followed. He was also in the process of working out modalities for the use of the French Mirage aircraft starting later next week and for the drones supplied by the German Government. The offer from Russia of the Antonov aircraft, with night vision capabilities, was a welcome one and was next on the agenda for further improving UNMOVIC’s and IAEA’s technical capabilities. Those developments were in line with suggestions made in a non-paper recently circulated by France, suggesting a further strengthening of the inspection capabilities......

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MOHAMED ELBARADEI, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), said that the focus of the Agency’s inspections had now moved from the “reconnaissance phase” into the “investigative phase”. The “reconnaissance phase” was aimed at re-establishing rapidly the Agency’s knowledge base of Iraq’s nuclear capabilities, ensuring that nuclear activities at known key facilities had not been resumed, verifying the location of nuclear material and relevant non-nuclear material and equipment, and identifying the current workplaces of former key Iraqi personnel. The focus of the “investigative phase” was achieving an understanding of Iraq’s activities over the last four years, in particular, in areas identified by States as being of concern and those identified by the Agency on the basis of its own analysis.

Since his 27 January report, the Agency had conducted an additional

38 inspections at 19 locations, for a total of 177 inspections at 125 locations. Iraq had continued to provide immediate access to all locations. In the course of the inspections, the Agency had identified certain facilities at which it would be re-establishing containment and surveillance systems to monitor, on a continuous basis, activities associate with critical dual-use equipment. Currently, the Agency was using recurrent inspections to ensure that that equipment was not being used for prohibited purposes.


anybody who questions these issues should read the COMPLETE UN PR ....
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2003/sc7664.doc.htm

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this from the White House site


For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
March 17, 2003
President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours
Remarks by the President in Address to the Nation
The Cross Hall

8:01 P.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, events in Iraq have now reached the final days of decision. For more than a decade, the United States and other nations have pursued patient and honorable efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime without war. That regime pledged to reveal and destroy all its weapons of mass destruction as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War in 1991.

Since then, the world has engaged in 12 years of diplomacy. We have passed more than a dozen resolutions in the United Nations Security Council. We have sent hundreds of weapons inspectors to oversee the disarmament of Iraq. Our good faith has not been returned.

The Iraqi regime has used diplomacy as a ploy to gain time and advantage. It has uniformly defied Security Council resolutions demanding full disarmament. Over the years, U.N. weapon inspectors have been threatened by Iraqi officials, electronically bugged, and systematically deceived. Peaceful efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime have failed again and again -- because we are not dealing with peaceful men.

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction against Iraq's neighbors and against Iraq's people.

The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East. It has a deep hatred of America and our friends. And it has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.


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get outa town by sundown...reminded of a cheap spaghetti western, and it's been getting worse since.....
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we are in the WORLD ECONOMY now....

remember that SUCKING sound that H Ross Perot was telling us about in the
92 Bush-Clinton campaign???

well it's gotten to be a roar, and we are thumbing our noses at the world????

don't make no sense to me man.............

how come everybody keeps forgetting this stuff?????

the world might be a better place with Saddam in jail BUT ITS NOT BETTER with Al-Queda bombing all over Iraq now and Osama-bin alive too long still breathing our air, China cutting back on growth and a 422 billion$ budget deficit......

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go to previous resolution when they unanimously support inspections and "last chance" or serious consequences.......

the problem is the same old same old is what the u.n. wanted for serious consequences. The u.s wanted more, that was the split.

When U.n. doesnt back themselves up, do you think N.korea will, Iran will, etc.....

If they say serious consequences, they need to mean it, not necessarily war, but, not the same crap that was going on for 12 years, lining their pockets


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yeah, its a dicey situation. America can't go around acting like the 'world cop', both because it is not powerful enough resource wise and because all it does is inflame hatered against your people. But the UN DOES need to act on countries like Iraq, not just pass XXXXXXXXXXXXX french 'resolutions' that go nowhere. I think if the europeans don't want to play hardball, the US should look to China, they can't wait to surpass europe as a world power, and siding with the US on issues like this would do just that.

- Kevin

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there wasn't any WMD to find tho...
the sanctions worked....
that's the point....

now the UN is barely worth anything...

the US built the UN to avoid the situation we are now in......

if the election campaigns were more to relevant points, i wouldn't be beating this drum so hard. neither candidate is addressing the truth...they are arguing over who served/didn't serve in Nam better..totally irrelevant to our situation today...what is going on?????


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Pat Buchanan was one of the old school conservatives that preached getting out of the UN.....

the john birch society is here
http://www.jbs.org/

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somebody asked why the pennies were doing so much dilution today. i assume a lot of of it just greedy CEO's but some of it may be due to the deficit.....
according to Greensapn, the government is using up so much of our debt capacity (borrowing too much), that it's hard to get money. i don't pretend to be sophisticated enough to support this statement, BUT.......

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That was it.
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the good thing about election time is we can at least ask some questions....
i don't think Kerry will solve our problems either...esp. if you guage it by the way he is running his campaign...LOL

now Sudan is on the front page too...and they kicked Bin Laden out and took his money back in '96..nothing seems to line up straight...no LOL

well i am now officially living in a state of emergency...Misssississisippi...no LOL either...i'm way inland tho...i just hope the army corps of Engineers did the levees on Old Man River better than we been running the world...LOL


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Good luck to you.

Filled many a sand bag where I grew up in St. Louis, Mo.

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wow, all stocks really doesn't like my "colourful" french bashing!

- Kevin


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i'm confident we will be Ok, but the cotton crops may not do too well, and we already took a big hit on Fla. citrus...hmmm cotton futures???LOL
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
there wasn't any WMD to find tho...
the sanctions worked....
that's the point....

now the UN is barely worth anything...

the US built the UN to avoid the situation we are now in......

if the election campaigns were more to relevant points, i wouldn't be beating this drum so hard. neither candidate is addressing the truth...they are arguing over who served/didn't serve in Nam better..totally irrelevant to our situation today...what is going on?????


glass,

it is a fact that there were WMD's maybe long ago, but were. With the newer "last chance" inspections, sadam was supposed to announce where everything was and what happened to it. He did not comply with this. Deciding to snub his nose at the league of nations (sorry UN) but just as worthless (ask sudan).

He refused to comply and said come and find them.....playing games. Game over. lets just hope he destroyed all the WMD's (i find it hard to believe) but, to my knowledge, only one mustard gas shell has been used in iraq and it was one of those very old ones.....

LOL- Buchanan- did you vote for him?????

P.S. good luck with the storm!

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Pat Buchanan? no i never even considered voting for him, i never thought i agreed with him.....
BUT,
he has a new book -i think it's titled "Where the Right Went Wrong" and he may be correct now.....
Saddam definitely had a chip on his shoulder. two wrongs don't make a right....

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buchanan is reminding me of zell these days, see him on cnn and jon stewart.
For the U.N to be effective, it needs to back up its word. Otherwise, the u.n is not needed, the only help they provide is way to late, all politics and filled with theft.

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kind of like the US gov.? LOL
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the CBS DOCUMENTS:

who EFFING cares?????
we ALL KNOW the unit Bush was in was for legal draft dodging, we all know he didn't show up for work like REGULAR people...

now the fscists are going to use this to TRY to to FORCE a source to be revealed...
we stand in danger of seeing MORE liberty lost here....

STUPIDITY...we don't have time for this right now, we need to get to the REAL ISSUES


i'm beginning to wonder if Bush and Kerry didn't make up some rules of engagement agreement.......
neither one is addressing OUR PROBLEMS squarely.....


it's all beginning to be INSULTING to me...
are we so dumb that we will elect somebody JUST cuz they look good on stage????(yes..LOL Clinton?)

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LOL- glass, I care! dan rather that lying faking good to all......blah blah, even campaigned for the dems at one point.

Fox would be villified if they invented papers on Kerry's war record. Mr. Rather needs to be held accountable too.

this needs to be remembered kerry entered war in 66/67 bush entered 68/69...

big difference in war interpretation by then, by 68 no one wanted to go....

rich kids always get favortism nothing new. dont care if he never ever showed up for guard duty either.


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oh and kerry got a couple'a cnn guys on his campaign now...LOL carville etc..... LOL that damn fox why dont they act like cbs and cnn.....and be unbiased

on the faking the documents, i didnt care when they were found, its a non issue, but, I love to see the elite squeal....


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too bad election time only comes around every four years......LOL

this is all so stupid---watched 60 minutes tonight, saw the nice grandma tell us how Bush has such a high opinion of himself...i never woulda guessed...LOL


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glassman for prez

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wow! now we get to have a congressional inquiry into the stupid documents?
how about pulling the swift boat vets into it too?
and while we are at it why don't we re-investigate Kent St and My-lai?
hmmmmm
yeah and the Kennedy assassination too....

hmmmm maybe we will all just forget about the problems in Iraq....


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it's funny, the docudrama is bigger news on Fox's Rumor staion than anywhere else...LOL

these guys have run 3 major rumor stories as news in the past week.....
the worst one was last night, they tried to show that oil-for-food was a front for Osama-bin-alive too-long.....

i particularly find the way their "reporters/anchors" constantly mis-quote people to be hypocritical since they claim to be the ONLY fair and balanced...


what will be HILARIOUS is if these documents turn out to have been scanned into a computer from the real thing...LOL
i wonder if they would break that story?????

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in my eyes, docu-drama is a scandal and would be done if they just came clean. The fact that fox runs it more than anyone else says something else too........

i guess it depends on how you look at it. i just want rathers boys let this guy hang to dry for his fake documents (i dont care if bush was in the dead van taking bong hits with kerouac, ginsberg and burroughs)

news lying and faking bother me much much more. i dont care which outlet. fox is definately more sensationalized. but cnn is more boring..... i am bored by both of them.


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i wonder if Murdoch is a republican...LOL

Fox carried Kerry's speech in full live, none of the 5 or 6 others i scanned did...
but i have also had them cut away in the middle of Kerry's speeches...
Kerry is ready to chew nails now, i heard him say the other day that he was waiting till the last 6 weeks out of respect for the trooops.....
he clearly stated that he DID NOT vote for the war, he voted to give Bush the authorisation, and the Fox guys are still saying he voted for the war...saw one of them get corrected in no uncertain terms by one of Kerry's advisors. A beautiful and well spoken black woman with a phd...like Dr. Rice. i didn't get her name cuz i was too busy trading, but she ripped him (the anchor)...
getting more and more interesting...i love politics...LOL


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Another dose of reality to anyone who believes someones political affiliation does'nt affect the news.We need a separation of news and politics LOL.Can you say goodbye Dan Rather.Talk about not doing your DD.
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dont know if murdoch is republican, have heard him discuss why he created fox and it was a great idea. The opposite of normal media. aka cnn, the times or what professors pronounce as real journalism....

it may be slanted, or a more even way of looking at things, have you seen swift boat ads on cnn??? I haven't, but i've seen those anti bush ads from move on dot org on fox.

Maybe Ted Turner and Jane Fonda are way way left liberals......no LOL


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i miss bloomberg...they really are/were balanced....
gonna have to try to get the cable co to carry it....
i don't watch any of the others regularly, i just run thru them all...
BBC or World News Intl. is pretty good for getting a completely different perspective....

the Fox gossip corner really is more like talk radio(Rush) than TV news.....there is no REAL liberal tv news.... trust me, i know some real liberals...LOL


extreme conservatives and extreme liberals have two things in common
irony and hypocrisy....LOL


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as there are no crazy liberal news stations, there are no crazy conservative ones either!

Both sides of the coin are whackjobs.

Now that CBS has come out and admitted they took "supposed" fake documents from a completely unreliable source and are investigating, do you find this news or rumor.

I find it news! i'm still waitiing for my globe which ran the national guard story front page, i want to see if they will run the fake document story now that there is what is considered admittance of fault.
(probably wont, run by the times, probably have a big picture of kerry and his 4 point plan)-LOL did you read that one.....


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No, i don't get the NY Times....
LOL I get the Delta Democrat Times....

the docudrama is news, and it just goes to the point of how bad the DISinformation age is.....
i hope that my grandchildren will look in the history books and wonder how people could have treated each other so badly. unfortunately it will probably be the opposite, they will probably be saying too bad things aren't like the good old days when things were so much more simple..LOL


when i was living CA we had some Public Radio out there was coming out of Frisco and northern CA that used to get my blood boiling...some of the peices i heard on how wonderful Castro is made me want to reach right into the tuner and throttle sommething.....Castro----hmmm

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both the story and to be fair, kerry and bushes face....
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i don't really have a problem with people haveing extreme views....

my problem is the so-called "spin" which i see as LYING....

like just now..some analyst at the Hudson institute said that most americans want the UN to set american policy....LIAR... she is full of it-- in pool we call that draw

this kind of thing is what i expect a football coach to say in a locker room before the game, not in a discussion about whether or not we are gonna get WW4 going....
we are not as powerful TACTICALLY as these neocoservatives want US to believe...
Strategically, yes, we are the MOST powerful, but not on the ground...like i started saying way back in the spring....running this campaign based on fear mongering will HURT the country badly no matter who wins.....
if Bush wins on this strategy, the country, and the UN will be even more divided...
he has committed to the strtategy, and the die is cast......
he used quite a few New American Century "buzz words" in his speech to the UN...

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another good example of the spin, is that Bush constantly implies Kerry is going to retreat....
he will actually increase the presence there is what i'm hearing...

Kerry can't form an intl. coalition BEFORE he is president....


i just NOW 13:45 EST watched Bush say that-- Kerry said yesterday that the world is better off with Saddam in power----

this is what is PI$$ING me off.....
Kerry never said anything like that, and i'm tired of being lied to......
how are we supposed to trust people that do this type of thing....

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