posted August 20, 2004 21:23            

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Debi wrote:

Information should be shared as what it is. If it is opinion then it is opinion. That goes for positive and negative opinions.

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posted August 20, 2004 21:23            

I have started automatically skipping thhier messages and i can now get through the posts much faster. Its amazing how much less stress there is when you look at the poster and ignore thier messages, as you that you are not missing anything but bickering that does nothing for you.

I dont need anyone to tell me how to invest my money.

I bought 5 million shares at .0001 and sold 3 million at .0007 that was a profit of $1600 over my original investment and i still own 2 million shares that cost me nothing and will not cost me anything, i can sell them for .000000000001 and still make money. So how the hell can that be a bad investment?

they cost me nothing as i have my money back and reinvested elswhere with my profits.

I dont need any religious intervention to tell me i have made a bad choice. so get behind me Satan.

posted August 20, 2004 21:59            

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Originally posted by glassman:

Hi Glassman, I do have a question that keeps getting lost in your answers.

The shareholder of CMKX are getting 50% of UCAD directly. Plus the company is getting some cash. Why is this a bad thing?

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it's not lost--it's there, you just refuse to see it...

and where did you get 50%---i don't think you'll find 50% of UCAD in your pockets...
UCAD, by your own admission is a shell. that means it isn't worth ANYTHING.. except what it trades for-- sure it trades at 6$ TODAY, but you are getting restricted shares..you can't trade then till when??? till they issue another XXX billion shares like they did last time???? oh yeah that is yet to be confirmed.... HMMMMMM i guess TD Waterhouse is wrong too...LOL

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posted August 20, 2004 22:25            

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Originally posted by bill1352:
i dont understand giving a rats behind what ppl like glassman say if you own cmkx. i see much more bad about things UC has done then good since I bought in 4 months ago. even before i bought 1 share i saw a huge amount of bad, BUT they do have rights to a huge amount of land where huge amounts of diamonds are buried. i have 2.2 million shares and wish that was 20.2 because one day they will get around to digging diamonds. and if ucad gets ahold of UC and sets him heading in the right direction as they seem to be the day might be sooner then later. everyone with any sence knows cmkx is one screwed up company but at least they say sorry with shares of other companies. not one person bought 1 share because UC ran a model company. we bought because of the potential of the diamonds. so who cares what any basher says they are right for the most part but unless they can prove there are no diamonds in the ground cmkx has rights too its meaningless. in time they won't have anything to say or UC will lose the company and we wont have anything to say but till that day nobody can say for certain the outcome

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posted August 20, 2004 22:39            

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Originally posted by will:
Yea that's about as important information asone could get. Is this the important thing you had to do, that you couldn't tolerate me anymore? Come on big shot, where is all that important work you had to do? Tell us the ramifications of the end of the trading day. Give us you analysis of what it means. Come on where is the fruit of all that labor? Where is your original DD, your analysis. Dr D, Zen, Sterling still formulating your answers? Come on, please, please, please, give us your wisdom, oh sage of sages. "we", are lost without you. Ya know what pal, stick to finding cartoons, that's work suited to you. Sad when you freely admit the most important thing you posted is a pair of smiling faces singing, but I agree that is your most important contributuon here. Not original, but good for someone with limited knowledge of the real situation. If ya can't speak to the issue, make a joke, at least you can be entertaining.
I'l be here for everyone of your posts, reposts, crap posts.

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Man Will, that was probably one of the ugliest posts I've ever seen.

Take some Prozak and chill. You show your true colors when you stab like that. Why are you so bitter? Have you sent UC a letter stating your concerns as a shareholder? Do you really think that making a post like that builds up your credibility?

I know I don't have much credibility, but I don't presume you all think I do, either. I'm not going to get into a spitting war with you or anyone else, but I do know this...I know as much about this company as you or anyone else that posts regularly on this or any other posts. I've been following it for 2 1/2 years, now. I'm not bragging, but from what I've read on these threads, I can proudly state that. Can I prove it? You bet. But I'm not going to get into this horrendous fight that some on this board seem to be picking. State your facts, make your comments on them, analyze the data and PRs, but don't ever think you know it all or have all, or for that fact, any of the answers. You don't. None of us do.

You are, like I am, a pissant, puny, small fry in this monster of a company and it doesn't matter one tick what you think or say. These guys have a plan and we're not going to change it. All we can do is try to figure it out. Period.

I'm here for the long haul.
I like Vegas..

posted August 20, 2004 23:11            

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Originally posted by WorkAHolic:

Man Will, that was probably one of the ugliest posts I've ever seen.

Take some Prozak and chill. You show your true colors when you stab like that. Why are you so bitter? Have you sent UC a letter stating your concerns as a shareholder? Do you really think that making a post like that builds up your credibility?

I know I don't have much credibility, but I don't presume you all think I do, either. I'm not going to get into a spitting war with you or anyone else, but I do know this...I know as much about this company as you or anyone else that posts regularly on this or any other posts. I've been following it for 2 1/2 years, now. I'm not bragging, but from what I've read on these threads, I can proudly state that. Can I prove it? You bet. But I'm not going to get into this horrendous fight that some on this board seem to be picking. State your facts, make your comments on them, analyze the data and PRs, but don't ever think you know it all or have all, or for that fact, any of the answers. You don't. None of us do.

You are, like I am, a pissant, puny, small fry in this monster of a company and it doesn't matter one tick what you think or say. These guys have a plan and we're not going to change it. All we can do is try to figure it out. Period.

I'm here for the long haul.
I like Vegas..

Good night..!

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posted August 21, 2004 00:02            

Notes from Melvin Paltalk session
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Starts by playing Bad to the Bone and announcing Uncle Melvie is in the house.

NOt too much going on here today. I shouldn't say that. That's not entirely true either.
Market was kinda weird. People think something bigger and better come Monday. I'm not gonna build your hopes up for the weekend. I don't know what to say. I'm in a pretty good mood [chuckle]. I'll just leave it at that.

Any questions?

Q. Did Janice Shell call and say "Hi"
A. No. I was looking forward to talking to Janice and chewing the fat and I was a bit dissappointed.

Q. Are we still retiring shares?
A. Yes as far as I know we've retiring shares for a year. Everytime I ask Urban I get the same answer, "still retiring shares."

Q. Are we at 150 feet drilling or more?
A. I imagine we are further down than that. I've haven't spoken to Ron but that was a couple days ago. I'll find out later and keep you updated.

*** UCAD PR OUT ***

Melvin was aware of the PR and suggested everyone go read it. [My take is that this may be a headquarter site for a combined entity. Just my opinion from PaltalkNews](Adidas' opinion)

Q. Have you seen carolyn lab results yet.
A. No. I was expecting them but did not get them today so I guess that is the end of that story.

Q. Was the UCAD PR the result of the meetings this week.
A. I have no idea. I couldn't tell you. I don't work for UCAD.

Q. Is your excitement based on what you see coming for the company or are you just having a good weekend. Could you clarify that?
A. laughs. You old sly dog you. You asking me that from a different angle. My excitement is coming down the pipe folks. I'm not gonna lie to ya.

MarketView guy talking to Melvin. He is a daytrader and doesn't do anything with pinksheets. Some of his listeners mentioned it and he is researching the company. Feels we have a lot of "passionate" people. Inviting Melvin to be on MarketView show broadcast to a variety of places.

Melvin stating: You have stummbled upon the biggest and best publicly traded company right now. We are happy to have you and are gracious you joined us. Thank you for coming.

Q. Does CMKX have plan in place for bulk sampling?
A. I don't think so. It is too early. A plan would not take too long. We have a plan for where we are right now. We will implement this plan, make sure it works then we will move on to another plan.

Q. Will we be seeing a PR soon from the meeting last week.
A. I imagine Roger and Urban are putting a PR with a summary of what transpired [chuckles] we'll probably see that some time in the very near future.

Melvin talking about charitable contributions. A gentleman mentioned donating to aplastic anemia foundation. Melvin is very touched.

Q. Do you know when carolyn results will be in?
A. I was hoping for results today but looks like that aint gonna happen. Here we sit and wait again.

Q. Is this another Friday pump with no real news to follow?
A. I'm just gonna pump up the company. It's Friday afternoon. I'm gonna pump. NOT (sarcastic)

Q. Is it possible that carolyn samples were routed to someone else before you get a copy?
A. ya. that is the way it happens. Geologist gets them then gives them to UC then it goes to me. Uncle Melvie is low on the totem pole when it comes to things like that.

Q. Is Citigroup actions beneficial to this company?
A. I don't know anything about that company so I will reserve comment on that one.

Q. Is the company in negotiations with regards to any of the properites up there (carolyn pipe, etc.) Is there a bidding war going on?
A. I can't comment on who we are negotiating with. Think about it. I can't comment on a bidding war.

Q. Will CMKX move to the new facilities in UCAD PR?
A. I have no idea. Couldn't tell ya.

Q. How many feet per day are we drilling?
A. Last I heard was 150 ft. I haven't spoken to anyone for a day and a half. If everything is going good... I won't even guess. Depends on what we are going through. I may drive up tonight and should have an answer tomorrow or Monday.

Q. When can we have an open chat with the geologist?
A. I spoke with Ralph yesterday and I think we can set this up soon. I'm working on it.

Q. When doing a core sample, will the drill bit chew up a good size diamond.
A. No. Diamonds are the hardest.

Q. What is the OS?
A. laughs.

If I sound like I'm in a good mood it is because I am. I have my reasons. I'm not gonna say it but you people should be in a good mood here.

Q. Last week you mentioned that you were looking at something on your desk that would make investors happy at some point in time. Can you expound and will that excitement reach a peak this week.
A. I said that? I need my head examined. I don't remember saying that?

Q. Can you comment for Ralph's experience.
A. Ralph has a good resume. Geologist for 35-40 years. Done everything from diamond things to gold uranium. His credential are pretty darn impressive. You can ask him that when he gets on here.

Q. Earlier you said you were happy and we should be happy as well. Could you explain that statement.
A. Sure I can. Don't read into what I'm saying. It's the weekend. People are supposed to be happy on the weekend. But you folks read that we will be getting this and such on the weekend. I'm just saying it is the weekend. That is it.

Q. Could you explain horizontal drilling?
A. Like Shore Gold is doing. They dig themselves a big hole 10-20 feet. They then lower a bucket with a crane into the hole and they send miners down to drill holes in the side of the major hole and they dig tunnels outwards. All the stuff they take out is put in bucket and is put in big piled. This is what you call bulk sampling.

Q. Your excitement for the shareholder... Does it reach a peak this week or in the very near future. Can you elaborate.
A. hah, hah, hah. Labrian, you break me up. No I'm not even gonna answer that one. Everyone is great at assumptions around here so you people make up your own assumptions okay.

Someone politely commenting that Melvin can be misleading. For instance comments about this weekend.

Melvin: you hit the nail on the head. Even my wife says I like to flap my lips. People hang on every word I say. Perhaps I should watch what I say. I'm trying my darndest. People read into what I say a lot. Maybe it is just the way I say it. Please accept my deepest apologies. I'm not a pumper by no means.

Uncle Melvie gets excited sometimes especially when there is good news. Put yourself in my shows. When I do get good news and I'm not allowed to say anything. I'm a bubbly guy and like to play music and things. It is really tough for me to know what I know and not be able to tell you folks. Whether it be good news or bad news. It is easy to tell people bad news. I hope you can appreciate where I am coming from.

I never met 97% of you but I love you people to death and respect each and every one of you. There is so much I wish I could tell you and it hurts me that I can't. But it is my job and I have to learn to control my emotions. I've been blessed but on the other hand that I have to watch what I say and how to say it. You people can hear my voice and sometimes see my picture. You know how excited I can be. That is not that good.

I have to learn to be more professional. Now, when I say more professional, I'm not going to sit here like a stone and say "no comment" "I'll get back to you". I'm not gonna just be a rock. I like to talk to people in a civilized manner. That is just the way it is. I've got to learn to control my emotions and how I say things becasue people perceive what I say is very important.

I apologize if I sound upbeat. But I am upbeat. Is it because of what is coming down the pipe. No. If I made a comment about something on my desk making shareholders happy, I should get slapped. If I did say it, I profusely apologize. I would never try to manipulate you people or give bad advice. Or pump this company up all weekend so you are let down on Monday. You are my friends and I love you guys. I'm sorry if I offended any of you or misled any of you. My intentions are good. I need to learn to control my emotions.

posted August 21, 2004 00:14            

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Originally posted by Upside:
Will brings up very valid concerns. By his choice of words in responding to a question today he got raked over the coals. Listen to what he's asking. More so, take a look at what we're all invested in. I'm assuming we all chose to invest in this company in the hopes that our land claims would yield sufficient diamond content to either warrant a mining operation or a huge buyout from a major player. To that end, every penny this company can scratch up should be put into exploration. Why then will none of the positive posters here even think about questioning their expenditures on the racing venture? They are going through millions of our dollars promoting their shares. Let's say they have spent 3 million on the racing arena. What could that have paid for in the area of core sample drilling, lab results, etc. It's not right to sit back and say "they know what they're doing" or "who are we to question". I have sent e-mail after e-mail to them asking them to address these issues with no response. I live in Wisconsin and there is an upcoming race in Illinois next month. I just might take a road trip down there to see if I can get some answers and to formulate my own opinion of Mr. Casavant. If you're positive on this stock, call the company, e-mail them, visit them if it's feasible, make them justify your feelings. Same thing if your negative. Either way, to sit idly by and whine, or to sit by and say "I have faith" is doing yourself a disservice. I'm not saying to do this with every stock you own but with this one, the extra effort is certainly worth it.

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posted August 21, 2004 05:57            

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Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by will:
Will,
my feelings about this company have waverd between varying degrees of bad, never really making it up to the good level. At one point I almost thought they were making an effort to become a legitimate company. That ended for me the day they released the p/r stating that the Carolyn pipe was found to be diamondiferous. If you remember, that was released on a Thursday after the market closed and the U.S markets were closed on Friday for President Reagans funeral. They elected not to release the fact that they had only found 2 microscopic diamonds. Do you have any idea what kind of harm this caused to others? Look at their two partners in Canada. The Canadian markets were open that day and their stock was thrown into a turmoil over it and they were halted for a day and a half while the TSX demanded they release the full report. These two companies were probably trying to figure out a way to put a positive spin on the report but Urban jumped the gun and through his self-serving antics, forced them to release it outright. This had to have caused irreparable harm to their relationship if in fact one ever did exist. Another thing is the share count which more and more looks like 450+ billion is accurate. I hear people saying "well, I'm comfortable with that." I have to ask, what kind of a legitimate company sells that many shares and does nothing with the money except buy claims on land that others had ignored? Were talking in excess of a hundred million dollars of our money here. Where did it go? Into Urbans pocket, into race cars, trucks, bikes, and an over the top advertising campaign that is only designed to sell more shares. My hunch is that Urban was starting to feel the heat for this gross display of negligence and realized he needed a high powered attorney to get him out of the mess he created. Enter Mr. Glenn. I believe we are beginning to see the fruits of his labors with all of the deals between CMKX, UCAD, GEMM, CIM, and now a London based investment company. How this will all turn out I have no idea but I can't see the end result being anything good for the shareholders. If you strip away all of the wheeling and dealing and the tangled web of companies, they are still a tiny, tiny company with 450+ billion shares outstanding and no attorney in the world is going to create value out of that. As far as Zen, Dr.D and Sterling go, they don't warrent discussion. Their wild theories are wrong, plain and simple. My recent purchase was based on a hunch that we were going to see a pop that never occured, but my average is still only .00035 so I'm ok and believe me, we will see another pop up near the .001 level some time soon. Yes, I share the same concerns as you, but I think there's a lot more of them too. Everyone here who is nailing you, glassman, and Wallace should try to quit with the name calling and accusations and take a good hard look at what you're trying to tell everyone. This is as risky a stock as has ever come along and anyone who has "bet the farm" on it had better think long and hard about that decision. There's a lot of new investors out there who hold only this stock. I've heard talks of brothers, sisters, moms, dads, cousins, all investing in this at the urging of some of us. What happens to those people if this thing falls apart?

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Whew! That really hit home. I had only been playing in the stock market for approx. a few weeks maybe, when I found this stock then I found this board among info. I was looking for. I had never been in a "forum" before. I decided to see what others were saying. Well, with little to no knowledge in trading I was mislead by postings on this board until I started educating myself about what everyone one was concerned about, which was the notorious naked short theroy. After reading about it in one of my texts I thought this was a lil' whacked why people here were speculating this and that and about the o/s count. When putting it together I mentioned the o/s were at least over 480B in here and was accused of being a basher.
1. CMKX would keep PR'ing about retiring shares because it is a "positive" thing. If you look at the PR's that do state when they did it, they screwed up as far as the how many. I think the last one stated the correct amount. But I think it gives a accurate info as to how many is out there.
2. If it is true about UC giving away shares... does anyone else think that maybe if he gaaaaaave billions away it might help with the o/s?
3. IMO - I really don't think CMKM Diamonds Inc. has any intention of ever mining themselves. I think it will be the "other" co.'s that will/are tied into CMKX that might be doing the work. I think UC just went around grabbing what he could in claims and is selling the "possibilities". What makes me feel this way is because of the disclaimer they put in thier PR's - NO OTHER real mining co. states such a thing! "There is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company."
4. That time that they jumped the gun with that PR about the finding of diamonds. And when UCAD came out with all the info. YES, CMKX lost credibility with me. That was a VERY bad move on thier part. And made me feel that they are hiding a hell-of-a-lot more info we should know about.
5. When they hired Glenn I thought uh-oh, UC is doing the C.Y.A. program. Being this stock is high profile he had better do the same in representing him in court. This would be very news worthy if anything bad turned out.

posted August 21, 2004 09:56            

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Whew! That really hit home. I had only been playing in the stock market for approx. a few weeks maybe, when I found this stock then I found this board among info. I was looking for. I had never been in a "forum" before. I decided to see what others were saying. Well, with little to no knowledge in trading I was mislead by postings on this board until I started educating myself about what everyone one was concerned about, which was the notorious naked short theroy. After reading about it in one of my texts I thought this was a lil' whacked why people here were speculating this and that and about the o/s count. When putting it together I mentioned the o/s were at least over 480B in here and was accused of being a basher.
1. CMKX would keep PR'ing about retiring shares because it is a "positive" thing. If you look at the PR's that do state when they did it, they screwed up as far as the how many. I think the last one stated the correct amount. But I think it gives a accurate info as to how many is out there.
2. If it is true about UC giving away shares... does anyone else think that maybe if he gaaaaaave billions away it might help with the o/s?
3. IMO - I really don't think CMKM Diamonds Inc. has any intention of ever mining themselves. I think it will be the "other" co.'s that will/are tied into CMKX that might be doing the work. I think UC just went around grabbing what he could in claims and is selling the "possibilities". What makes me feel this way is because of the disclaimer they put in thier PR's - NO OTHER real mining co. states such a thing! "There is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company."
4. That time that they jumped the gun with that PR about the finding of diamonds. And when UCAD came out with all the info. YES, CMKX lost credibility with me. That was a VERY bad move on thier part. And made me feel that they are hiding a hell-of-a-lot more info we should know about.
5. When they hired Glenn I thought uh-oh, UC is doing the C.Y.A. program. Being this stock is high profile he had better do the same in representing him in court. This would be very news worthy if anything bad turned out.

I don't know which way this is going to turn out, I am hoping they get a bit more professional and alot more honest instead of half truths. I don't appreciate that crap! I just want to make some $ in a company I can believe in and stay with.

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posted August 21, 2004 11:15            

You sound like a spoiled teenager mad and yelling at people that don't see things your way. You don't play well with others. (I mean, the name calling. C'mon give me a break.)

posted August 21, 2004 11:28            

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Originally posted by Brad:
Will, I just breezed through the last several pages of posts (rather quickly since I only read about the first 2 sentences of each of yours). I know I'll get attacked by you for this but I've got to make the adult observation here.

You sound like a spoiled teenager mad and yelling at people that don't see things your way. You don't play well with others. (I mean, the name calling. C'mon give me a break.)

You may deny this but I would find it hard to believe you have a job where you work and interact with other people. I just couldn't see you in a company meeting at a table disagreeing with someone and calling them a pissant. Please grow up.

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posted August 21, 2004 11:35            

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posted August 21, 2004 11:52            

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Originally posted by dwman:
Could it be that all of the frantic bashing going on on the weekend, is an attempt to shake our faith in cmkx and get us to sell because they know what is coming next week?

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Very likely DW. We knew this type of thing was coming. All of the signals are up and the bashing will continue. If they can't find anything wrong with the stock, they will bash individuals.

posted August 21, 2004 11:53            

all the PR in the world, can't change that...
you guys got fed a big line of paid pumpers crap saying that the OS don't count and dilution don't count,

posted August 21, 2004 11:58            

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Originally posted by glassman:
DW, i know what is coming next week, and next month, MORE DILUTION....

all the PR in the world, can't change that...
you guys got fed a big line of paid pumpers crap saying that the OS don't count and dilution don't count,

only inexperienced investors believe this...

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posted August 21, 2004 12:02            

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dwman,

You are out of your league. Go back to your sandbox.
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Glass,

posted August 21, 2004 12:05            

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Originally posted by dwman:
Could it be that all of the frantic bashing going on on the weekend, is an attempt to shake our faith in cmkx and get us to sell because they know what is coming next week?

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posted August 21, 2004 12:10            

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Originally posted by dwman:
could it be we have him rattled, noah?

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They started that way DW

posted August 21, 2004 12:17            

will
Member posted August 20, 2004 15:51
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Look, I only ask you to consider these missing parts. I only ask you to give a fair and balanced presentation of this company in your posting. I say, to set glassman and Wallace up as targets of negativity so that you can reply with only positve or those windbag over the top theories is wrong. Present both sides. Post the freaking positives, I know there are some, but don't disregard and completely discount the negatives by attacking people that try to include them in anyone decsison making. Jesus, you fault glassman and Wallace for polorizing this thread, I suggest you look at yourselves.
Tell people , yes, the fact that O/S is unknown and maybe astronomical is concern, tell them the samples not be reported on for months is concern. Damn, man, admit to these things. You can tell them you have faith these things will be overcome, that you have Roger Glenn, you have acres and acres of claims. But for god's sake dont attack people that are trying to present what most reasonable people would see as concerns and issues to be addressed.
Do you think I don't want this POC stock to fly? I just don't like the way these clowns that are running it go about their business, and I surely don't like posters being onesdied and discounting anything that someone with a different point view by making the issue personal as opposed to fact based.
Insulting people because they have an opposing point of view. That's real debate, isn't it. That's really getting to the truth here. Ya'll act so rightious. If you were truly rightious you'd at least let have others have their opinions, without being insulting.

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Originally posted by noahltl:

Will do you have any answers to the waiting other that BUY SELL HOLD. What? Storm the offices of E&A in force. Grab a pick and shovel and go dig for ourselves in Sask? Kidnap UC and hold him for PR ransom?
Give me the answer please?

posted August 21, 2004 12:22            

http://messageboardfools.com/bashers.htm

A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!

Rules for Successful Bashing:

1. Be anonymous
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.
8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.

Grade 'A' Basher:
If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.
Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.

Grade 'C' Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.

Grade 'D' Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.

Grade 'F' Basher:
A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.

LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?
Golden Rule:
IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .

HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER
1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.
2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.
3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..
4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.
5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.
6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.

The Basher 'Pack' Mentality
Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.

Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.

Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.
Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.

posted August 21, 2004 12:33            

After following the twists and turns of this stock for the last few years, I have to give up and reclaim my life away from the chat boards.lol. One thing I've found interesting about following the stock on this and other boards, is the low number of posters from the area around FALC.... A past PR stated that drilling through the ice at Green Lake was halted due to the swift underwater currents that would damage the drill stem,etc. Anyone ever phone up there and check the validity of that statement?

posted August 21, 2004 12:45            

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Originally posted by noahltl:
New Sheriff in town. Barney Fife.

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