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glassman  - posted
"Praise, flattery, exaggerated manners and fine, high-sounding words were no part of Lakota politeness. Excessive manners were put down as insincere, and the constant talker was considered rude and thoughtless. Conversation was never begun at once, or in a hurried manner.
Children were taught that true politeness was to be defined in actions rather than in words. They were never allowed to pass between the fire and the older person or a visitor, to speak while others were speaking, or to make fun of a crippled or disfigured person. If a child thoughtlessly tried to do so, a parent, in a quiet voice, immediately set him right.
Silence was meaningful with the Lakota, and his granting a space of silence before talking was done in the practice of true politeness and regardful of the rule that ‘thought comes before speech.’…and in the midst of sorrow, sickness, death or misfortune of any kind, and in the presence of the notable and great, silence was the mark of respect… strict observance of this tenet of good behavior was the reason, no doubt, for his being given the false characterization by the white man of being a stoic. He has been judged to be dumb, stupid, indifferent, and unfeeling.
We did not think of the great open plains, the beautiful rolling hills, the winding streams with tangled growth, as ‘wild’. Only to the white man was nature a ‘wilderness’ and only to him was it ‘infested’ with ‘wild’ animals and ‘savage’ people. To us it was tame. Earth was bountiful and we were surrounded with the blessings of the Great Mystery.
Kinship with all creatures of the earth, sky and water was a real and active principle. In the animal and bird world there existed a brotherly feeling that kept the Lakota safe among them. And so close did some of the Lakotas come to their feathered and furred friends that in true brotherhood they spoke a common tongue.
This concept of life and its relations was humanizing and gave to the Lakota an abiding love. It filled his being with the joy and mystery of living; it gave him reverence for all life; it made a place for all things in the scheme of existence with equal importance to all.
It was good for the skin to touch the earth, and the old people liked to remove their moccasins and walk with bare feet on the sacred earth… the old Indian still sits upon the earth instead of propping himself up and away from its life giving forces. For him, to sit or lie upon the ground is to be able to think more deeply and to feel more keenly. He can see more clearly into the mysteries of life and come closer in kinship to other lives about him.
Everything was possessed of personality, only differing from us in form. Knowledge was inherent in all things. The world was a library and its books were the stones, leaves, grass, brooks, and the birds and animals that shared, alike with us, the storms and blessings of earth. We learned to do what only the student of nature learns, and that was to feel beauty. We never railed at the storms, the furious winds, and the biting frosts and snows. To do so intensified human futility, so whatever came we adjusted ourselves, by more effort and energy if necessary, but without complaint.
…the old Lakota was wise. He knew that a man’s heart, away from nature, becomes hard; he knew that lack of respect for growing, living things soon led to lack of respect for humans, too. So he kept his children close to nature’s softening influence.
Civilization has been thrust upon me… and it has not added one whit to my love for truth, honesty, and generosity.
Read more at ke-question-everything-modern-culture/#CGXBHAWfyGt70JtB.99
buckstalker  - posted
A lot of wisdom in them there words...
raybond  - posted
Yes Glass, very interesting and very true. If you study the history of human society, you will find that this way of life was very similar in all peoples at this stage of development.
glassman  - posted
Hey NR, you still around? I thought you might like this reference fromt he Lewis and Clark expedition journals;

The interpeter Says that the Mandan nation as they old men Say Came out of a 〈Small lake〉 [NB: Subterraneous village & a lake] where they had Gardins, [2] maney years ago they lived in Several Villages on the Missourie low down, the Smallpox destroyed the greater part of the nation and reduced them to one large Village and Some Small ones, all 〈the〉 nations before this maladey was affrd. [NB: afraid] of them after they were reduced the Sioux and other Indians waged war, and killed a great maney, and they moved up the Missourie, those Indians Still continued to wage war, and they moved Still higher, untill they got in the Countrey of the Panias, whith this ntn. [nation] they lived in friendship maney years, inhabiting the Same neighbourhood untill that people waged war, They moved up near the watersoons & winataree where they now live in peace with those nations, the mandans Specke a language peculial to themselves 〈verry much〉 es.xsl

i am looking through them for something else...

the mention that living in the small lake (underground/) was prior tot eh smallpox outbreak seems to indicate it was prior to 1492 because smallpox was rampant only after the spaniards lost control of their pigs - it would have taken a little while to travel across both continents but it seems to have been pretty fast.
glassman  - posted
This is what i was actaully looking for. How the Plains Peoples communicated with the animals.

Shortly after New Year's, the Mandans of Matootonha held a celebration of their own. The whites referred to it as the Buffalo Calling Dance. To the Indians it was the Red Stick Ceremony. [6] Like most Indian rituals, the Red Stick gathering was designed to fill a need, in this case the luring back of the buffalo that had wandered far away, leaving the Indians short of food.
I'll just post the link if interested. I'm sure most of the real meaning is completely lost in translation. tyles.xsl
glassman  - posted
I looke dit up due to being told that the ceremony as witnessed and recorded by the whites (Lewis and Calrk) worked- In their own words- Four days after the conclusion of the ceremony, the buffalo did indeed return.

a cross indexing of the name of the ceremnoy reveals that it has has deeper meanings than just calling the buffs (which i expected). As i have read many different accounts by both whites and true Natives of numerous approaches to ceremonial shamanism, i understand why the Christians were totally blown away by native American rituals and called them Diabolical at best. I don't agree with destroying thir culture, but i get why the eurotrash was freaking out. It's pretty clear to me at this point that the "drug war" actually began in the Americas when chris Colombus got here.

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