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raybond  - posted
Romney Donor Says ‘Lower Income’ People ‘Don’t Understand What’s Going On’
By Judd Legum on Jul 8, 2012 at 9:30 pm

Today, Mitt Romney is holding a series of fundraisers in the Hamptons, culminating with a huge event at the home of billionaire David Koch. The LA Times is on the scene and reporter Maeve Reston caught up with a donor on her way into one of the events.

The woman, who wouldn’t reveal her name, said the following:

I don’t think the common person is getting it…my college kid, the baby sitters, the nails ladies — everybody who’s got the right to vote — they don’t understand what’s going on. I just think if you’re lower income — one, you’re not as educated, two, they don’t understand how it works, they don’t understand how the systems work, they don’t understand the impact.

The recommended contribution for the event she was attending was $25,000.

Earlier in the campaign Romney received criticism for saying, “I’m not concerned with the very poor.” He later said he misspoke.

Romney’s tax plan would give the richest 0.1% of Americans an average tax cut of $264,000.

[Mad]
 
a surfer  - posted
That's the truth Ray. 50% don't have a clue what is going on. Too wrapped up in the frenzy to see a thing.
 
glassman  - posted
so being rich means you know what's going on?

coemoen surf, you know better than that.

let's face it, i don't disagree that 90% of the peopel don't know what's going on, but being rich has nothing to do with it.


remeber that the tax cuts were supposed to stmulate our economy and instead we tanked. tanked as bad it gets without full scale social disintegration.

IMO? we really are in a depression even tho the statistics look OK....

the way i read it? this lady is really saying that people shouldn't vote unless they agree with her, cuz she knows what right and they don't...

i'd like to ask her why the banks who supposedly hire the smartest, best and > brightest< all had to be bailed out..

it was not because poor people robbed them...they were robbed by thier own emplyees and traders.

sure, lots of peopel who had no business borrowing as much as they did borrwoed too muc, but once again? the issue is that the loan officers at banks are supposed to be smart enough to jsut say no, but they didn;t do that becuase they got a paycheck for saying yes, nothing for saying no...

people who blame the govt for encouraging the banks to laon moneyto "poor people" fail to see that the banks were in the only position to say to these peopel don't borrow THIS MUCH money, you can only borrow this much, which is what you can afford.. no way did they do that because the loan amounts are tied to their paychecks too.
 
a surfer  - posted
I didnt mean anything about the money part...I meant in general.

And 50% is being nice.
 
a surfer  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I didnt mean anything financial...I meant in general.

And 50% is being nice.

Yea no question most just saw the dollar signs and nothing more.

Back to your earlier statement about integrity in another thread.
 
a surfer  - posted
woops...lol
 
raybond  - posted
Don't forget when a right wing person says that you don't get it. what he means is that you don't agree with him or her and that makes you stupid or no knowledge of the subject.
 
glassman  - posted
LOL ray, that goes on both sides...
 
The Bigfoot  - posted
Agreed. It is the oversimplification of a disagreement in philosophy. I would say that 30 years ago or so we would all understand that and respect each other despite our differences but that just isn't true. The battle between public welfare and private wealth has been waging since before this country was born, and will continue to wage long after we all are dead. At least no one is dueling with pistols anymore. Eventually the truth will win out. To bad that doesn't stop the Koch brothers from trying to buy our country now.
 
IWISHIHAD  - posted
Originally Posted By The Bigfoot:

"The battle between public welfare and private wealth has been waging since before this country was born, and will continue to wage long after we all are dead. At least no one is dueling with pistols anymore."

_________________________________________________

You mean at least not yet.

In the future they will be automatic weapons instead of flint locks.


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raybond  - posted
I would hope that as we aged as a society a lot of the friction that exist between people that need public welfare and the wealty will not exist anymore.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Don't forget when a right wing person says that you don't get it. what he means is that you don't agree with him or her and that makes you stupid or no knowledge of the subject.

Funny, that is the same thing that "progressives" do.
 
raybond  - posted
No cash I don't you are stupid as a matter of fact I think you are smart,and I understand your thought of the way things you feel they shuld be.
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What I think you are is just plain ignorant
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
No cash I don't you are stupid as a matter of fact I think you are smart,and I understand your thought of the way things you feel they shuld be.
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What I think you are is just plain ignorant

Ignorant? You have a persuasive opinion to back that up?
 
Pagan  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
No cash I don't you are stupid as a matter of fact I think you are smart,and I understand your thought of the way things you feel they shuld be.
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What I think you are is just plain ignorant

Ignorant? You have a persuasive opinion to back that up?
Not to steal Ray's thunder...but. All someone has to do is look at your posts. You are way beyond ignorant. Ray was being kind.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
You should look at your own posts sometime and see what you produce before being so critical of others who you dont agree with.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
LMAO, speaking of donors.


Obama Bashes Romney For Swiss Bank Account Days After Swiss Fundraiser Announcement

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/oh-brother-obama-announces-plans-for-swi ss-fundraiser-then-bashes-romney-for-swiss-bank-account/
 
jordanreed  - posted

 
jordanreed  - posted
nevermind....these threads serve no purpose wheresoever...many times i am going to respond, and then think,,"wtf"....its a waste of time
 
glassman  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
nevermind....these threads serve no purpose wheresoever...many times i am going to respond, and then think,,"wtf"....its a waste of time

i keep trying to point out that it's a distraction form the real problems, but i think that if one tries to actually put their finger on Truth these days they are treated a if they are nuts...

like the fact that we are in a "controlled depression" brought on by the same peopel that pay for all these poltical ads that are nonesense..

we little people don't have a clue.... hmmmm.....
 
jordanreed  - posted
Thats what I'm sayin'
 
glassman  - posted
and i'm afriggingreein'... it's getting discouraging aint it?
 
The Bigfoot  - posted
if you had any idea how many posts I have written and the canceled without posting over the last six months....that said, conflict is necessary. From conflict lies are exposed.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
if you had any idea how many posts I have written and the canceled without posting over the last six months....that said, conflict is necessary. From conflict lies are exposed.

Share
 
The Bigfoot  - posted
Well that's just it CCM. Sometimes I feel like I am sharing my honest opinion in a worthwhile conversation and sometimes I feel I am just arguing for the sake of arguing without any real meaning and that the substance of the conversation was lost long ago resulting in various forms of "Oh yeah? Well my dad is bigger than your dad."

I have found myself deleting a lot of "bigger dad" comments recently. Perhaps it's the heat. Believe in global warming yet?
 
glassman  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
Well that's just it CCM. Sometimes I feel like I am sharing my honest opinion in a worthwhile conversation and sometimes I feel I am just arguing for the sake of arguing without any real meaning and that the substance of the conversation was lost long ago resulting in various forms of "Oh yeah? Well my dad is bigger than your dad."

I have found myself deleting a lot of "bigger dad" comments recently. Perhaps it's the heat. Believe in global warming yet?

perhaps it is because our nation is shredded and many of US are becomeing angry and frustrated?

most of US want to be productive and contribute what we can to society, we also want to be recognised for our contribution in one way or anotehr or in most cases in all ways. I mean that we want to be paid and we want our community to thank us or recognise us....

when the economy is depressed much of this becomes impossible. There aren't enough jobs and many many people are taking jobs below their perceived or real skill level. This leads to generalised mistrust and frustration.

People become afraid they will lose thier job and do things to their co-workers that they would not do in nromal times. Even minimal things like starting rumors that aren't true or sharing true but confidential info designed to hurt others reputations... people are doing it because when the AX falls they don't want it to be them.


Yeh, it does feel like it all gets to be about my dog/dad is better than yours, and people are getting weird.
Many of them have my sympathy, i'm not mad about peopel trying to produce and failing, i'm mad about people trying to game the system and either getting away with it or failing and ruining the system for everybody.

It's reall y hard to stay on message when you are mad. it's even harder when you are mad and the overall political discussion is a bunch of crap.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
Well that's just it CCM. Sometimes I feel like I am sharing my honest opinion in a worthwhile conversation and sometimes I feel I am just arguing for the sake of arguing without any real meaning and that the substance of the conversation was lost long ago resulting in various forms of "Oh yeah? Well my dad is bigger than your dad."

I have found myself deleting a lot of "bigger dad" comments recently. Perhaps it's the heat. Believe in global warming yet?

A geologist I am friends with just posted this on his Facebook page yesterday:


Don't argue about climate change with a geologist. 30 years of "it's a little hotter" does not correlate to the 65 million years of history we've been taught. Hate to inform you, it was hotter 900 years ago during the Medieval Warming Period. Hotter yet during the Cretaceous and the Permian. So please, stop complaining because we are beating heat records by 1 degree that were set in the 1960's.


I think people fail to realize how much of a blip in time we are in the totality of the universe and this planet. I think we need to get off the Al Gore fear mongering and just make smarter choices about cleaner air and water. Our oceans are in big trouble. The left in this country tries to guilt us all into behavior changes and yet the most populous country in the world is the biggest polluter...China. We trump them when it comes to environmental practices.
 
glassman  - posted
yeah cuz geologists are experts on climate... LOL..

the medival warming period was NOT hotter, and last i checked the permian period ended with the largest exticntion event in world history... an unexplained event BTW...

even most of th einsects were wiped in that one...

geologists make living off oil. they get paid by oild co's to say this stuff..

last i checked? the climatologists don't have a special interest group making moeny off their work...

the cretaceous period was NOT warmer than this one either.. your geeeologist friend is misinformed at best

sad really really sad.
 
glassman  - posted
65 million years of history? the cretaceous ENDED 65 million yrs ago (with a worldwide exticntion event that was prolly a meteor) and the permmian was 250 million yrs, so you friend also has his dates dates wrong.

the giant insecs all croaked during the permian period.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
Glass if what you say is true, then you have the power to upset the entire geological community/studies/professors.


glassman:

last i checked? the climatologists don't have a special interest group making moeny off their work...


The climatologists dont have a special interest group? lmao
 
glassman  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Glass if what you say is true, then you have the power to upset the entire geological community/studies/professors.


glassman:

last i checked? the climatologists don't have a special interest group making moeny off their work...


The climatologists dont have a special interest group? lmao

actually cash, i have several subscriptions to the worlds leading scientific journals.

what i said is in fact true to best knowledge of science, which i know is "only" a peer reviewed accpetance of truth (litttle t) subject to change when more theories are proven and or shot down.

Truth is immutable, but it is hard to know Truth and we can never say for sure we know Truth.

when you pretend to tell me that you know my statement is wrong you are being stoopid.

go do a weeks worht of reading on the subject and come back to me, you'll know then that what i told you is the Generally Accepted Scientific truth- Little T on purpose becuase without timetravel it cannot become Truth capital T.

when you have spent half your life living amongst Professors? come back to me and we'll be able to discuss how funding works and where funding comes from... maybe you can grasp what Tenure means (simply put it is Freedom to pursue non-popular Truths) to Science as a whole...

People almost always laugh at new ideas first and then they suddenly become popular and accepted. The they become Truth by accident and people run around pretending they Know something they most certainly do not.

I hate hearing people say the Big Bang is fact. It is a theory that results forma one basic phenomena. The red shift we observe in all astral objects that tells astrophysicists that the Universe is expanding. Fact? NO! I can explain the red shift several ways. Those ways actually satisfy relativity and would not preclude the Big Bang Theory, but they would most definitely remove the "proof' we have for the big bang... gravity is the first way to 'splain them, and guess what we actually know about gravity? NOT A DAMN THING! we observe it's effect and can calculate how it works and that is where it ends. We JUST discovered that nuclear decay and the sun are interlinked. We just discovered that our "perfect" nuclear clocks slow down 36 hours before certain sun activity....our very best most expensive clocks suck, yet we deemed them Perfect just a couple years ago.

as to climate change? we are most certainly doing something to this planet that's never been done before. The oi industry is what? the largest industry on the planet? right? and you are telling me that a few "greenies" are making enough money to compete with that industry in terms of policy and propaganda dissemination?

you are messed up. I am a major energy consumer, i want my energy one way or another and i want to be responsible about it. No more no less. My wife does research that makes the "greenies" insane and we take precautions against them. That doens't mean we don't recognise the right and wrong of the situaiotn like you and your partisan freakshow.
 
a surfer  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
65 million years of history? the cretaceous ENDED 65 million yrs ago (with a worldwide exticntion event that was prolly a meteor) and the permmian was 250 million yrs, so you friend also has his dates dates wrong.

the giant insecs all croaked during the permian period.

Without that meteor we might not have evolved.

As far as a timetable....if you took the distance from new York city to LA and compared it to a human life span you would have traveled less than 2 INCHES of the 3000 mile trek.

Are we messing the planet up...most likely yes. Could we all die from one meteor? again most likely yes. And what happens to our ozone layer and co2 levels after the next mile diameter meteor hits? probably a lot. And the party starts all over again.
 
glassman  - posted
good point surfer, and my ONLY disagreemnt with oil biz is that they actively squash competition that we all can easily recognise will not really Compete.

this isn't about replacing oil it is about augmenting and preparing for the future.

we also have volcanic activity to worry abuot, and nobody can predict he future.

one of the reason i am critically aware of the timelines climate issues is the giant insects. the insects today may ( even likely) still have the genes in them that made them giant. and we are looking for them.

waht do you think a foot wide wing span skeeter would actually be worth? [Big Grin]

and cash? do you understand why the "greenies" would go insane if i actually figgered out how to make that? cuz guess what? it's only a few codes away...
 
glassman  - posted
Giant insects that ruled prehistoric skies for millions of years may have met their end due to the evolution of predatory birds, researchers say.

Gigantic insects once dominated the Earth. About 300 million years ago, during the late Carboniferous and early Permian periods, the largest flying insects known, the predatory dragonfly-like griffinflies, had wingspans of up to 28 inches, about the same as the modern wood duck.

The leading theory of how flying insects reached such stupendous sizes has to do with past periods of high oxygen concentrations in the atmosphere, reaching up to some 50 percent richer than today. All this extra oxygen is thought to have supported the energy-hungry metabolisms of flying insects, helping them grow to titanic maximum sizes.

To test this theory linking oxygen with body size, paleontologists Matthew Clapham and Jered Kerr at the University of California, Santa Cruz, compiled a data set of insect wing lengths from more than 10,500 fossils collected from more than 1,000 published records. They next compared wing sizes with models of prehistoric atmospheric oxygen levels from data spanning the last 320 million years.

The researchers found that average insect wing size roughly matched atmospheric oxygen levels as they varied up and down for the first 150 million years of insect evolution.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/06/05/did-early-birds-exterminate-giant-inse cts/#ixzz20cVvIGS2

see what i am saying about the atmosphere being completely differnt? and how temp changes are only one minor factor?

now, we have observed that genes do not disappear unless the animal completely diappears.

so, *theoretically* those genes that triggered gigantism in some of the insets are still there but inactive unless they all get et by the new birds that were evolving from the dinosaurs which are another place to look at "old useless genes".

genes dont appear to disappear when they become uselss. this is important- we observe that in many cases 50% or more of the gense in an organism don't do a damn thing. that is most likely becuase we can't figger out what it is they really do, but it is also becuase they are not used anymore (like chickens teeth)- darwin observed this in the beak of the finch- the finches changed BACK to "older" beak shapes that were more useful in current conditions - the genes were still theirs to use after "evolution" to a new form and then re-selected for by the environment


now, genes are truned on or off by regualtors that react to specific environemntal triggers.

the giant isnects HAD to have more oxygen in theair to breathe, BUT they may also need to be exposed to something else to actualyl trigger the genes to activate teh physical form the gense code for. so we need to recreate ( abrain game) the environemnt they were in... even down to what would have been in their food and water. Because the beaks of the finches were responding to food and water situations and reverting back to historic success...
 
glassman  - posted
BTW? i am one of those lower income people that beach was talking about and i know way better than her that idon't know what's going on becuase the more you know, th emore you know you don't know.
 



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