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glassman  - posted
mandates go against religious beleifs, and refusing to provide brith control is a 1st amnedment right? What else is the government interfering with in religious terms?

Specifically- tax deductions for religious applications/donations are government subsidies and should end.

Any laws banning religous practice no matter what it is should be struck form the books. What is that religion where the beleivers smoke pacalolo? I think they have one of those in hawaii and one in jamaica.... Then there's peyote, that's a sacrament, but apparently as white man i'm not allowed to join that church or start one of my own. Church of the sacred doobie, you can marry whoever you want and as many as you want (even chookens).... [Were Up]
 
buckstalker  - posted
Church of the Sacred Doobies huh???

I'm in...
 
glassman  - posted
praying five times per day is recomended, but not required, of course you can pray more if you want....
 
glassman  - posted
the high presists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqZ95a249p0
 
glassman  - posted
wait, there's more:

KINZERS, Pa. — December, 20th 2011 – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) apparent war on Amish raw dairy farmers increased on December 6 when they filed a “motion for summary judgment,” with Pennsylvania judge Lawrence Stengler asking for a permanent injunction against dairy farmer Dan Allgyer to forbid him from selling fresh milk out of state. FDA regulation 21 CFR §1240.61 criminalizes any selling of milk intended to cross state lines.

After a two year expensive, exhaustive undercover operation, including multiple armed raids on Allgyer’s farm, FDA agents and a team of ten federal lawyers amassed over two hundred and seventy-six pages of evidence allegedly proving what Allgyer openly admits, that he is selling fresh (raw, unpasteurized) milk to customers who knowingly carry the milk across state lines.

Injunction would ban D.C and Maryland Families from healthy food supply

Thousands of Maryland customers who have been buying from Allgyer for years were the main focus for evidence during the investigation. In spite of the FDA raids and injunction filing, Allgyer has continued to support his customers’ needs for fresh milk and other farm foods, citing his God-given inalienable rights.


it turns out that the new Food Safety Czar is a former Monsanto attorney and chief super lobbyist. Monsanto's Michael Taylor is the second highest-ranking official at the FDA, and is responsible for implementing the day-to-day policies that govern the food safety laws for the U.S.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
So maybe we should do this, we should unionize the hospitals and churches so they are exempt from Obama care.


"Unions make up 40 percent of employees exempted from Obamacare"

http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/beltway-confidential/2011/01/unions-make- 40-percent-employees-exempted-obamacare/140112


"there are 166 union benefits funds now exempted from this requirement, which account for about 40 percent of the exempted workers. This means that although there are only 14.6 million unionized employees in the United States, and 860,000 of them are already exempted from this provision of Obamacare."
 
buckstalker  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the high presists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqZ95a249p0

Yeah...I went to one of their concerts...err,I mean sermons last summer...good stuff
 
glassman  - posted
this Catholic birth control issue is a total mess now. As i listen to the "solution", all i'm hearing is doubletalk. The institution doesn't have to offer health care plans that provide "reproductive services" but the insurance companies must? hmmmmm....

somebody is dealing off the bottom of the deck and
yeah, i can tell the Queen of diamonds by the way she shines [Wink]
 
Pagan  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this Catholic birth control issue is a total mess now. As i listen to the "solution", all i'm hearing is doubletalk. The institution doesn't have to offer health care plans that provide "reproductive services" but the insurance companies must? hmmmmm....

somebody is dealing off the bottom of the deck and
yeah, i can tell the Queen of diamonds by the way she shines [Wink]

At least it's only the "solution". And not the "Final Solution" glass. We know how well that went! I bet CCM is Googling that right now! [Wink]
 
glassman  - posted
the "thing" that bugs me in this is that if you are an employer? you are an employer. if you are a Church? you are Church, if you are faith based employer? you are still an employer and have responsibilities to your employees.

I think all charitable tax deductions need to be gotten rid of. Not to Churches or Faith based based charities, but all charities. For example, some of these "think tanks" hire politicans that out of office or their cronies and the donations to the employer are tax deductible.


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i would also argue that media matters should not be tax expmt if they are it's not about conservativism or liberalism

Why Is Media Matters Still Tax Exempt?
http://nation.foxnews.com/media-matters/2011/10/03/why-media-matters-still-tax-e xempt

So basically the politicians buddies are able to give the charitable organisation money and then take the write-off and the politicians and their friends have jobs. Now they still pay taxes on their income, so that's fine, but IMO it's not really a charitable donation if it's a tax break. I regualrly donate work that i make to charities and do not take the deduction cuz IMO that's not what charity is about.
 
raybond  - posted
Earlier today, President Obama announced some changes to his proposal to require no-cost contraception that accommodated objections by religious groups. Here’s what the policy, which is being finalized today, means:
•Contraception will be available to women at no additional cost beginning August 1, 2012.
•Insurance companies will reach out directly to employees of religious organizations who object to coverage contraception. The contraception will then be provided to the employee at no additional cost.
•Religious organizations who object are not involved in providing or paying for contraception in any way. Since contraception helps save on overall health care spending, it is a benefit that comes at no net cost, meaning that religious organizations are not subsidizing it any way by merely providing health care coverage for their employees.
•Churches and organizations that primarily employ and serve members of their own faith would still be excluded from coverage under the plan.

This final policy is a huge victory. It respects both religious liberty and women’s basic health care needs. It’s been endorsed by everyone from Planned Parenthood to Sister Carol Keehan, the head of the Catholic Health Association.

Since all reasonable objections by religious groups have now been fully accommodated, it’s now clearer than ever that anyone who still opposes this plan really just opposes affordable access to birth control — period. And now that’s just what Congressional Republicans in the House and Senate are vowing to do — take away affordable access to birth control. They already tried to take away the birth control benefit yesterday in the Senate, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) stopped them. We expect House Republicans to try and do the same next week.

Meanwhile, Boehner’s own taxpayer subsidized health care plan already covers birth control. If it’s good enough for him, it’s good enough for the American people.

Are you sick of this right-wing war on women?

Sign our petition and tell Congress to leave birth control alone! Click HERE to sign and tell Congress that enough is enough.

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Agitated House Republican leader Tom Price: “There’s not one woman” who doesn’t have access to birth control.
 
glassman  - posted
ray, i am for birth control being available "free", esp to women of lower income groups who may not be able to afford the 50$ per month for the pill.

the Obama solution is just doubletalk tho. i'm not critisizing *him*, i'm just saying that nothing is "free" and the insurance co's will still be charging everybody to pay for it, while the employers are pretending they don't, the pretense is what is so disgusting....

this goes back to my biggest "issue" with Obama. he didn't get on the podium and tell everybody that it always comes down to *whose* rights are respected. The Churches right to forbid their people from partaking or the peoples right to ignore them anyway. It's not JUST women who benefit form birth control pills, [Wink]

and as Jordan said? Nobody is being forced to actually take them by the Govt. but we are paying for them when we buy insurance no matter who pays

if Obma made this issue go away with his statemtns today? then he's a great politican, but i'm not sure being any kind of poitican is really a good thing anymore.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
nobody seems to find a problem with the health care waivers handed out to insiders. Of course not.
 
The Bigfoot  - posted
You obviously do ccm, so elaborate. Tell me why you have a problem with the health care waivers and why you think I should care.
 
raybond  - posted
Pelosi To GOP: ‘Duh!,’ Women Should Be Included In A Hearing About Contraception

By Igor Volsky on Feb 16, 2012 at 12:27 pm


House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) echoed Democrats’ concerns about Republicans excluding female witnesses from a hearing focusing on President Obama’s new regulation requiring insurers and employers to provide birth control in their health insurance plans. “This is an issue about women’s health and I believe that women’s health should be covered in all fo the insurance plans,” Pelosi insisted at her press briefing this morning, refuting the GOP’s claim that the debate should focus on “religious liberties.”

“Where are the women? And that’s a good question for the whole debate. Where are the women?” she asked. “Imagine, having a panel on women’s health and then not having any women on the panel, duh!”:


PELOSI: What is it that men don’t understand about women’s health and how central the issue of family planning is to that? Not just if you’re having families but if you need those kinds of prescription drugs for your general health, which was the testimony they would include this morning if they had allowed a woman on the panel. I think the fact that they did not allow a woman on the panel is symbolic of the whole debate as to who is making these decisions about women’s health and who should be covered.

Last Friday, the Obama administration addressed the GOP’s concerns that Catholic-affiliated colleges and hospitals would have to provide contraception coverage that is inconsistent with their religious beliefs by issuing a revised regulation that will allow these nonprofit institutions to stop offering birth control. The change pleased several moderate Catholic organizations, but most Republicans — and some conservative Catholic organizations — continue to insist that women in their employment should not have access to these medications.


Update
Earlier this week, Sen. Frank Lautenberg called out the Republican “men’s club” in the Senate, saying they want women “barefoot and pregnant.” “It’s time to tell the Republicans to mind their own business,” Lautenberg said on Tuesday. Watch his comments here:
 
glassman  - posted
the GOP can't seem to stop putting their foot in their mouth can they?
 



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