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glassman  - posted
at "Fox News" always sound like the world is ending?

Fact: The US is experiencing a serious and powerful economic recovery, and was doing so even before the election.
The Dems took it on the chin anyway, and that is because of the constant misrepresentation of facts.

The GOP could recieve the knockout blow if this recovery stalls as result of too much austerity and gridlock. The stimulus package worked in the way it was intended. It was not supposed to be a shot of nitrous in an already leaned out economic engine....It was supposed to be even and steady, but somehow too many people were convinced that it failed entirely, and even beleive their taxes went up... LOL...


The following is the text of the U.S. productivity and costs report for the third quarter released by the Labor Department.

Nonfarm business sector labor productivity increased at a 2.3 percent annual rate during the third quarter of 2010, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Labor productivity is calculated by dividing an index of real output by an index of the combined hours worked of all persons, including employees, proprietors, and unpaid family workers. Output increased 3.7 percent and hours worked increased 1.4 percent in the third quarter. (All quarterly percent changes in this release are seasonally adjusted annual rates.) Nonfarm business productivity increased 2.5 percent from the third quarter of 2009 to the third quarter of 2010, as output increased 4.3 percent and hours worked rose 1.7 percent.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-01/u-s-third-quarter-productivity-and-cost -report-text-.html

add to that the FACT that Farm profits are up 30% this year? we have the basis for a steady and long-term economic growth spurt...

sure, jobs are hard to come by ( i know this personally since i just graduated a brat from college) but that is not because the Govt screwed up, that's a profit based decision made by private industry and they are making more money right now than ever before...

the GOP lied it's way back into power, and that will not be good for US if they beleive their own lies.
 
raybond  - posted
There is a very simple answer the conservative really know how to tickle peoples ears with the same old garbage they spout.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
can i tickle your ears ray?
 
raybond  - posted
not really right wing so called christians are just as bad as any other group of people ready to pass judgement on people through there own eyes and set of rules.
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
not really right wing so called christians are just as bad as any other group of people ready to pass judgement on people through there own eyes and set of rules.

Only some in that group, not all. I sense much hate in you by your words. No reason to be so angry at a different belief, it never really hurt you did it? Do me a favor and go look at how many Christian organizations in the inner city are at homeless shelters as compared to say atheist or people angry at Christians. You can find many homeless vets finding comfort there.

Salvation Army? Excuse me but I will donate to Salvation Army as opposed to ACORN any day of the week. There is a huge difference.
 
IWISHIHAD  - posted
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:

"Salvation Army? Excuse me but I will donate to Salvation Army as opposed to ACORN any day of the week. There is a huge difference"

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I quit donating to Salvation Army and similiar organizations years ago.

Once they started getting picky on what you could bring to them and got an attitude towards those bringing items in.

Saw them pull this on different people on several different occasions.

Stand in line and wait for them to inspect, not me anymore.

My wife know's better than to ask me any more, she knows i will head straight to the dumpster if i can't give it away directly to someone.

Not that these organizations are bad, they just don't seem to have the same meaning as they use to.

Wish i didn't feel that way, but time has done that to me.

These non profit organizations are not just about helping those who cannot help themselves, that's a shame.

I try and help in other ways if possible, although giving through the Salvation Army or similiar would be much easier, but then again easy is not necessarily the best in my opinion.


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Brooks  - posted
Glassman,

Yes there are news organizations that are of course biased. Yes Fox news makes the end of the world sound like live news. Im disagreeing with your political comments though and this is coming from a life-long democrat.

-Yes I believe the GOP created this economic downturn.

-No I dont think Obama has helped it at all, this friday may beat a 1980's record breaker of jobloss. The record before that held its own from WWII til then. We may beat em' both soon.

-Im not saying Obama has made it worse, but from his two years in office it hasn't gotten any better. The road to economic recovery has to turn up sometime, but that hasn't shown from his policies yet. Simply put, that's a good enough reason for a change of residence for good ol' barack.


raybond,

The only perfect Christian was Christ(unless you want to be politically correct and call him Jewish). The rest of us Christians try to be like him, but every one of us fail.
 
glassman  - posted
nice to hear some new voices brooks.

i have to disagree with you on one point.

as lifelong GOP who has watched my party go insane?

i do not beleive it's the Govt's job to create jobs.

the Govt has a set of jobs to do, which we expect them to do at lowest possible cost...

there was an old joke in the military and at NASA, the punchline being that we do the impossible with nothing... that literally comes from the fact that we are SUPPOSED to be contracting to the lowest bidder in the Govt.


now when you say things haven't gotten any better? you aren't looking very hard at eh business side of things. You are looking at he jobs reports... I am a small business person, in fact, i am so small that i am my only employee, and i don't even count, cuz i'm a lazy bum...

i am experiencing a very good year and my, historically, most profitable month just started.

that did require me to rethink my business plan, but it wasn't much of rethink... all i did was make more less expensive(smaller) glass peices than i have in the past, and i found that i am almost out of inventory for the first time ever....

i was able to restock all of the supplies that i desire and or need this year earlier than ever ( i never borrow, i only use profits to expand and maintain). All in all this economy is not great for everybody, but it is good for those of us that are willing and able to be flexible.

I notice that the grocery stores are kicking butt... price of food? way up since oil peaked, and they said the price would go back down when oil prices dropped?
 
buckstalker  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
nice to hear some new voices brooks.

i have to disagree with you on one point.

as lifelong GOP who has watched my party go insane?

i do not beleive it's the Govt's job to create jobs.


While I agree that it's not the governments job to create jobs...it IS the governments job to create a climate that will bring jobs back to this country, and it IS governments job to see that trade practices are fair between US and other nations...

Our government has done neither, and BO had complete control and did NOTHING...

I know you like Obama Glass, but IMO he aint no better than the GOP

BTW...I too WAS a lifelong GOP
 
glassman  - posted

I know you like Obama Glass, but IMO he aint no better than the GOP


it's not amtter of "like" or "dislike"...

i totally disagree with his policies on immigration for instance..

i know that he would grab our guns if we hadn't already settled the issue in SCOTUS with the DC gun laws being found unConstitutional...

what i am about is criticism where i beleive it is honestly due, and the economic policies that were implemented by Bush and then Obama stink only in the fact that they were absolutley needed to save our butts from the pain of the COLLAPSE we actually had.

and yes! Obama should be working on policies to bring our jobs back to US, but that ain't gonna happen in this climate...

he may have been able to do that instead of Healthcare, but i dunno...

what i do know is that if we don't keep hammering th epoliticians hard on the jobs issue? we won't get change...

quite frankly? i don't hear the GOP offering any solutions to it either...

this notion that cutting taxes creates jobs is misplaced... history shows a clear pattern of severe boom and severe bust following tax cuts...

i would prefer to leave a legacy of steady growth where people can plan ahead more than one year at a time to build thier small businesses and wealth...

the idea that small businesses are the place where job growht occurs is only a partial truth.. the real job growht comes from NEW small businesses, not from established small businesses growing...

and BIG business? they destroy job growth by buying out small businesses that have grown to the point where they are worht buyng. then the BIG boys step in and fire the management and manage it themselves.. that's how they make them MORE profitable... that's just good business, but job growth comes best from NEW small business. they should get he tax breaks, not he established success stories.
 
glassman  - posted
to put fine point on the tax issue? look at Ireland, they have some of the lowest corporate tax rates anywhere and many businesses have flocked there, but what has it done to them?



EFSF promotes bond issue for Ireland rescue package
By Ryan Huang | Posted: 02 December 2010 1324 hrs

SINGAPORE: The head of the Euro zone's financial safety net is in Singapore, as part of wider plans to drum up investor interest ahead of its bond issue for Ireland's rescue package.

The European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) plans to meet investment firm Temasek and the country's sovereign wealth fund GIC on Thursday.

Analysts expect there will be strong investor interest across the region in the bonds, partly due to the good yields and high credit rating.

The EFSF is a special agency set up by the European Union at the height of the Eurozone debt turmoil in May to help shore up investor confidence.

Its key role is to help provide loans to EU members in financial trouble, through the sale of debt instruments like bonds. These bonds are backed by up to 440 billion euros (US$575 billion) worth of guarantees from euro zone governments.


the GOP stands behind this policy of boom and bust over and over?

they not only promote it, they use it tot fleece the general populace, it's criminal
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
NObama! Say it loud say it proud! NO-BAMA! lol
 
glassman  - posted
if not Obama then who?

i told you long before he was elected that he wasn't superman...

the world is a mess, it will always be a mess, and it always has been a mess, it's the human condition- the "good ole days" are a myth told by people that watched too many movies..
Little House on the Prairie was childs story...

the good guys don't wear white hats, the bad guys don't wear black hats...
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
How about Mitt Romney and General Petraeus. I have met the General in person, he is a short person!

Palin? No way. They better not be stupid and get her or newt in the picture. huckabee is too boring.


Romney gets too much fire for what church he goes too. Its ok for Obama to go to the church he did and listen to the hate speech that went on, but a Republican wont get a free pass like that. Romney is the business savy we need. What business experience does Obama have?


Business strength, and military strength is the combo we need.


Romney/Petraeus 2012!


Does anyone remember those dirtbags at move.org who called him General betray-us? The smear from the left is just sick. Look what they did to Palin..had a guy move next door and basically become a peeping tom and write a book on her. What sort of sick freak has that kind of obsession?
 
glassman  - posted
my one concern about Romney is that he was into leveraged buyouts...

he says he didn't send any jobs overseas, but he was in the business that did...

he does tend to play to his electorate, he was pro-choice when he needed to be to get elected, now he says he isn't... that's not something that changes in most people very often IMO...


as to his religion? it's not that bigga deal to me eitehr, BUT, i know alot of people that it is a big deal to...

teh Mormon Church is alittle spooky, esp. how they tithe and how they are spending so much money trying to brand themselves as Christians....

i have doen a good deal of reading about Mormonism since threw his hat in the ring, and i'm not sure i beleive they are Christians... i haven't had in indepth discussion with a Mormon one-on-one, but i can tellyou i won't be converting to it anytime soon...

i was also told that you can never be in the "upper echelons" of Mormonism if you are the convert, that you have to be raised in the Church, and your parent have to be Mormons too...
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
the mormons own more cattle than anyone else in the US, did you know that? Where do the mormons get all their money? They have a ton of it. Personally, I think mormonism is all make believe anyway.
 
glassman  - posted
one other thing about Romney? i don't think Fox will support him, which makes him more appealing to me...

Fox has now hired Huckabee and Palin-two Prez wannabe's, that IMO is not who we want to be Prez, a TVstuffed shirt type...
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
Yeah Fox has snubbed Romney, and I dont like it. I know MSNBC will go crazy if he runs and smear him like no tomorrow because he could beat Obama.


People have learned that Obama is not the one to fix the economy like he wooned everyone into believing. We need free market thinking in Washington, not controlled market. There will always be abuse in ANY system, its not the system its the people. Same people crying about wall street over and over....well if you had a communist style of control those same people will have power, but will have a different kind of power. Yes, Wall St had some bad apples that crushed us, but what if those same people had even MORE power...Kremlin style?
 
glassman  - posted
he could beat Obama.

hmmmmm..... i dunno... i think that you'd find alot of the liberals that are not supporting Obama now because he added to the war in Afghanistand and didn't get singlepayer and offered to open the east coat to oil drilling will jump back on board very fast if offered a distinct choice...

he sure could have done alot more than he has on solar energy, but he did fast track two NUke reactors that the private sector is now not so anxious to build cuz it will increase competition and the "new" business model is to destroy competition any way possible... freetrade don't work... the big fish eat the little fish...

Obama really di try to compormise and the gOP rejected him while his base critisized him...

when the vote counts? the Libs will get back behind him.... right now they are just miffed...


i beleive that Pelosi would still be running the House next month if she had opened up serious investigations into Cheney and and Bush, so she "compromised" too.... Issa plans to investigate everything, and it will be partisan, you watch.

i am getting to where i just want to vote whoever is out,and i don;t care if they are GOP or Dems, bluedog or blueballedliberal... they are all in bed together...
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
term limits!
 
glassman  - posted
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
term limits!

the voters need to set them... thing is? peole like Pelosi, and Rangle get power and keep it cuz they bring home th epork for their constitutents..
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
Just saw something on TV, wanted to ask everyone here. What would people be saying if these new TSA pat downs that everyone is talking about....happened under Bush? Oh man...I can see it now how nasty people would get.
 
glassman  - posted
i see this as both sides, and Obama doesn't want another 9=11 on his watch...

that doesn;t make them right, but i dont think the libs would be beaching any more than they are now, and i KNOW fpr fact the Conservatives were telling me personally right here that if i didn't have anyting to hide i should not worry about the Patriot Act when it was passed by Bush....

i think you have two equal sized groups (about 30% ea) that support their party no mater waht...
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
yup, i think so too.
 
SeekingFreedom  - posted
So, Glass, what have you read that makes you believe we aren't Christian? And what questions about us do you want answered?

I don't ask this from a defensive position (been answering similar stuff for years), but if its the religious stuff that makes you question Romney I'll do my best to clarify.

Cash, where do 'they' get all that money? Lol. It's called tithing...look it up in the Bible. [Wink]
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
Here is some odd news:

Cancun UN Climate) talks start with a call to the gods.


Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change, invoked the ancient jaguar goddess Ixchel in her opening statement to delegates gathered in Cancun, Mexico, noting that Ixchel was not only goddess of the moon, but also "the goddess of reason, creativity and weaving. May she inspire you -- because today, you are gathered in Cancun to weave together the elements of a solid response to climate change, using both reason and creativity as your tools.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/post-carbon/2010/11/cancun_talks_start_with_a_c all.html
 
The Bigfoot  - posted
Personally, I think Romney's biggest challenge will be in the Republican primaries against fellow republicans. The three biggest areas where I see weakness for Romney is:

1) His religion. Whether it should matter or not (it shouldn't really), to religious conservatives who aren't Mormon-it does. As Glass says, Mormons call themselves Christians but a lot of Baptists/Catholics/Lutherans see them as separate from their Christian faith. (Sorry Seek, but it is true.) Romney will have to get over the hurdle of being seen as different in a party that doesn't like 'different' very much. If he can get through the primary, independents/fence sitters won't care as much about this and the hardcore Dem's are already against hims so they don't count.

2) Massachusetts health-care reform. Romney had a lot of bad things to say about Obamacare...until people started to point out just how similar the legislation ended up being to the healthcare reform he passed in Massachusetts and used as one of his crowning achievements during the 2008 presidential race. Now instead of criticizing the idea and/or content of the bill, he says he is against it because the vote wasn't bipartisan. (Backpedal) This will be his largest weakness in the primaries. The gift that keeps on giving for his republican opponents. Romney can't pull away from criticizing Obamacare without losing one of the strongest/most current themes in the Republican party but he can't deny his involvement and strong support of a very similar program during his tenure as governor. Again, if he makes it through primaries this might actually be a benefit, it will make him seem more moderate and might help him pick up independents, but it is at odds with the party message.

3)Current activities. As John Kerry can attest to, no one likes a political playboy. For the past two years Mitt has done exactly three things-He has written a book, campaigned for handpicked conservatives, and organized his PAC. -In his book he spends a lot of time making himself look reasonable and inclusive while demonizing both the left (read Barrack Obama) and the tea-party-type right (read Sarah Palin) as 'populists' who are dividing America. -In his campaigning he spent his time on the podium or shaking hands but intentionally refused many events that would be nationally televised to 'avoid overexposure'. -Romney's PAC hasn't missed a beat since the end of the 2008 election cycle. John McCain shut down his PAC after the 2008 election and then started a new one for the 2010 elections. Even H. Clinton's HILLPAC isn't publicly visible right now.

Put it all together and you have the portrait of a bored millionaire who has decided to become a career politician and is contriving to be the perfect candidate. He won't be as susceptible to this as Kerry was because he didn't marry his money nor do we have a lot of weird windsurfing pics of him (that I know of) but it will still mark him out as an elite that is different than the common man, and that is not an image he can afford. He has too many differences already which is why he tries so hard to pull off the family man image.

Honestly speaking, I think Romney is one of the scarce few that has a possibility of beating Obama in the general election. Unfortunately for him (and fortunately for Obama supporters like me) I just don't think his party will take him if given other palatable options.
 
SeekingFreedom  - posted
quote:
Personally, I think Romney's biggest challenge will be in the Republican primaries against fellow republicans.
I happen to agree there wholeheartedly, Big. I truly believe that if Huckabee hadn't run in the primaries in '08, Romney would have been the nominee in the General. With no ties to 'Washington' like McCain had, I think the election would have been much different.

quote:
As Glass says, Mormons call themselves Christians but a lot of Baptists/Catholics/Lutherans see them as separate from their Christian faith. (Sorry Seek, but it is true.)
LOL, no need to apologize, Big. I have heard about it all my life. Try proseletizing in a foreign country where you're the minority in color, nationality, and religious affiliation AND they believe you worship Joseph Smith...I know what others think of us for the most part.

quote:
Romney had a lot of bad things to say about Obamacare...until people started to point out just how similar the legislation ended up being to the healthcare reform he passed in Massachusetts and used as one of his crowning achievements during the 2008 presidential race.
The key there is to point out the parts that DIDN'T work in Mass and show the similarities to Obamacare. By then offering ideas on how to avoid the same pitfalls he can position himself as an almost perfect middle man for all sides. He doesn't go for complete repeal (to keep the left) but removes pieces that bombed in Mass (keeping the right). Win-Win.

quote:
Put it all together and you have the portrait of a bored millionaire who has decided to become a career politician and is contriving to be the perfect candidate.
Don't forget how he got his millions though...turning around clunker companies...that's what we need right now in spades. [Frown]
 
The Bigfoot  - posted
We need good management...I will agree to that.

I just don't think you can run a government the same as you run a company. Trying to use common business tactics to shore up the bottom line of an entire economy could have devastating consequences to the population at large.

Thanks to gridlock in congress (and, according to this republican house member, such poor scheduling that democrats put them on the spot with only six hours left on the deadline to talk about the subject. Hmmmm....He must have forgotten about this headliner vote from just two weeks prior...) 2 Million Americans (2/3rds of 1% of our entire population) will start January without any unemployment benefits and approximately 200,000-300,000 more people will join that number every month if there isn't a new push to get them some sort of aid. Our business sector added 50,000 jobs last month and typically sheds jobs in January after the holiday retail bonanza. You think they will be able to pull themselves up with their own bootstraps with those environmental factors to deal with?

Cutting spending on social programs is going to get very unpopular very quickly as those soup kitchen lines grow longer and longer.

These people are citizens of America and our country's leaders can't just 'downsize' them, redistribute duties, and sell off extra inventories to shrink overhead and right the ship. The only time people with no money and no options go away is when they are dead.
 
SeekingFreedom  - posted
Running the country like an ATM feed by a printing press doesn't work either, Big. [Razz]

Prioritization. That's what I think this country is lacking right now. We're spending money (we don't have) on things that, in my opinion, could wait till people are working again.

If you can't sell something to the public in good times, you shouldn't force it on them in bad.

jmo
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
"If you can't sell something to the public in good times, you shouldn't force it on them in bad."


Could not agree more myself SF!
 
glassman  - posted
We're spending money (we don't have) on things that, in my opinion, could wait till people are working again.

and i agree with that analysis, however, when i and other peopl eask the the folks who say they want to cut the deficit what we need to or can afford to cut?

we get no answers whatsoever....

i know why we had to blow all that cash, and i hate it. but we would be getting even less revenues for taxes now if we hadn't because more people woulda been outa work, AND the FDIC woulda had to pay out a couple hundred billion$ that does not come back like TARP money will and has..

now, i started thread about cutting whole govt programs, and people took it as joke, i was serious in my intent and joking around in my presentation..

i beleive the real joke is that the GOP wants to cut taxes, and the deficit at the same time... never happen- it will lead to a death spiral in the overall economy the jobs lost will lead to less revenues and the Govt direcly and indireclty supports many thousands of good jobs that are well worth the money we pay for them... of course we can trim the dead wood and should.

fact: increasing taxes in the past has led to more people being more productive and a stronger economy becuase us folks who do move and shake want what we want refgardless, will work to get it even if we do pay more taxes. it's simply a fact of human nature. people do not work as much when they have what they want.

furthermore? 250,000 per yr income is just about correct in it's limit.

As the data below show, incomes reported by tax returns at the high end of the income spectrum plummeted from 2007 to 2008, as did their share of the nation's income and income taxes paid. In 2008, the top 1 percent of tax returns paid 38.0 percent of all federal individual income taxes and earned 20.0 percent of adjusted gross income, compared to 2007 when those figures were 40.4 percent and 22.8 percent, respectively. Both of those figures—share of income and share of taxes paid—were their lowest since 2004 when the top 1 percent earned 19 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI) and paid 36.9 percent of federal individual income taxes.

Each year from 2005 to 2007, the top 1 percent's constantly growing share of income earned and taxes paid set a record. That trend reversed in 2008. In fact, the income share for the top 1 percent of tax returns was lower in 2008 than in 2000, largely due to differences in capital gains.


http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html


lemme repeat that part:

the top 1 percent's constantly growing share of income earned and taxes paid set a record.That trend reversed in 2008. In fact, the income share for the top 1 percent of tax returns was lower in 2008 than in 2000, largely due to differences in capital gains.


furthermore? i beleive that Cap Gains should be higher the shorter the "hold" is and much lower for 3 to 5 year holds.... that would increase INVESTING hwere the real growth comes from, and decrease day trading which is not promoting ANY growth at all.. day trading is simply abut price discovery, and even tho i have done alot of it, and would still do it if the taxes were higher, i beleive the overall economy would prosper more with longer holding...
 
CashCowMoo  - posted
I would be for higher short term capital gains taxes and lower long term capital gains. Cap long term capital gains at 15% 1-3yrs, and 10% for 3+ years.
 



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