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[QUOTE]Originally posted by buckstalker: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: [qb] We've asked this before, Buck, but I'll try again. What the heck? I might get lucky... What IS a living wage in your opinion? What constitutes a [i]fair[/i] wage? Not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of what it can afford in a generic working area. [QUOTE]Both sides are trying to get what is best for themselves and in a union setting, they do that through BARGAINING...NOT EXTORTION[/QUOTE]Bargaining, Buck, it give and take. I offer you X for you giving me Y. Threatening to shut down your business (through striking you entire workforce) is not bargaining. That's extortion imo. Sorry we can't agree on it. [QUOTE]I can tell by your answers that you are young, have NEVER belonged to a union, and have never been an employer... You seem like a fairly intelligent young man SF, but you really need to develop a "sense of community"[/QUOTE]No, I've never been part of a Union, though my brother is. I've never been an employer but I have had to lead\manage medium sized groups of people. The regular laws I have to sift through to do so is by far enough for me. To have to deal with Union rules on top of that would be insane to me. [QUOTE]As far as my pension goes...that was negotiated as part of my WAGE agreement...it is not an entitlement and who in the phuck are you to utter such nonsense...[/QUOTE]Who am I? I'm the guy that has to pay more for American made items because of Union contracts, Buck. That's who I am. And your wage agreement? You think it ok to 'bargain' for a GUARANTEED income long after you no longer contribute to the company? What's the average life expectancy for you, Buck? mid 80's? If you retired at, what, 49, that means you're drawning a full pension for over 30 years! Longer than you were at the job in most cases. That wouldn't be AS bad if you weren't ALSO drawing a higher salary than non-union while you were there in the first place. And ALL of that cost gets put back on me and everyone else that buys your product. [QUOTE]SF...The "worker" IS the "consumer"... [/QUOTE]Which is my point! By forcing the business to pay more in wages, you are increasing your own expenses. By expanding Unions, you will increase the price YOU pay for everything they touch. [QUOTE]Maybe I was wrong about your intelligence...[/QUOTE]That's up to you to decide. :p [/qb][/QUOTE]OK, I've decided...you don't have a clue, you have zero sense of community, you lack common sense, and you mirror the mantra of characters like Rush and Glen... BTW...I guarantee you that if it were not for unions, YOUR paycheck would be MUCH smaller and YOUR working conditions would be MUCH worse... One more thing that might be of interest to you...I am for the most part a conservative... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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