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[QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman: [QB] LOL. the data storage issue is an old one Ray, don't start assuming the scientists have committed fraud.... the data was "lost" in the '80's.. they had storage options back in the 80s. Optoins included: 1) Typing the raw data into the appendix of a "report". (Ph.D. Theses in engineering used to do this back in the 80s.) 2) Storing it on cards. 3) Placing all data in manila folders, putting it in a box and sending it to some storage archive. (DOE nathional labs do this with some data, and have since WWII) 4) Placing it on magnetic tape and storing that. 5) Placing it on floppy disks and storing those. the data in question only covers since 1850 and shows less than a 1 degree change in "world temps". it is in fact the opinion of the person (Roger Pielke) that announced the data was lost after his request was denied that, well here it is in his own words: [b]Say what?! CRU has lost track of the original data that it uses to create its global temperature record!? Can this be serious? So not only is it now impossible to replicate or reevaluate homogeneity adjustments made in the past -- which might be important to do as new information is learned about the spatial representativeness of siting, land use effects, and so on -- but it is now also impossible to create a new temperature index from scratch. CRU is basically saying, "trust us." So much for settling questions and resolving debates with empirical information (i.e., science). To be absolutely clear, none of what I write here should be taken as implying that actions to decarbonize the global economy or improve adaptation do not make sense -- they do. However, just because climate change is important and because there are opponents to action that will seize upon whatever they can to make their arguments, does not justify overlooking or defending this degree of scientific sloppiness and ineptitude. Implementing successful climate policy will have to overcome the missteps of the climate science community, and this is a big one. Posted by Roger Pielke, Jr. at 8/12/2009 08:53:00 AM [/b] http://rogerpielkejr.bl ogspot.com/2009/08/we-lost-original-data.html in fact? it would be somewhat odd for the data to be "downloadable" since it was acquired prior to the 90's when Windows made working with PC's common. i bet the scientists working with he data still have copies of their working versions since they constantly work on them. Pielke has always been on the "other side" of the debate from Jones too... they would be professional adversaries.. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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