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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Bigfoot: [QB] Originally by glassman: [qb] [QUOTE]i'm asking waht guns? because when i hear people say ban assualt weapons? i point to the stats that show assualt weapons are rarely used in crimes. [/QUOTE][/qb] You are continuing to ask what guns as if I have a particular style in mind. (Another way of trying to force me to say I want to ban something. Good attempt, but that isn't the conversation here either.) Here is the full back and forth from start to finish. Originally posted by CashCowMoo: [qb] [QUOTE]Lawless will always remain lawless no matter how much you use crime as an excuse to ban firearms. People just want a good scapegoat to their fears and blaming guns for crime is a good way to make them feel better. [/QUOTE][/qb] Originally posted by Bigfoot: [qb] [QUOTE]No...close but not quite. Lawless will always remain lawless, on that we totally agree. The idea isn't to scapegoat fears onto guns, it is the thought that if we could find a way to limit the amount of projectile weapons available to the lawless then they must turn to other forms of destruction. Unintended targets would no longer be victims and both the rules of law and the rules of the street would be more straightforward. Does that make sense to you? [/QUOTE][/qb] Originally posted by retiredat49: [qb] [QUOTE]So you want to create laws that the lawless won't adhere to?...make s no sense Big... Only law abiding people are going to follow your "laws" and "controls" concerning projectile weapons, and those people aren't the problem... I'll say it again very clearly...criminals are GOING to get guns, no matter how many laws you create to stop them from getting them... [/QUOTE][/qb] Originally posted by Bigfoot: [qb] [QUOTE]Kinda like how everybody is going to speed no matter what the limit is set at? Are you saying then that we should not post speed limits? [/QUOTE][/qb] Originally posted by retiredat49: [qb] [QUOTE]That is a pretty weak comparison... My argument is this...the LAWS ALREADY EXIST to stop criminals from getting them legally...making it harder for law abiding citizens to get a gun is NOT going to stop the criminals from getting them...isn't that who you want to stop?...the criminals? So why would you want to make it harder for law abiding citizens to get them, when you state it's the criminals you want to prevent from getting them? (unless you REALLY don't want ANYONE to have them) [/QUOTE][/qb] Originally posted by Bigfoot: [qb] [QUOTE]And my argument is that SOMEONE is getting them legally. It is not Russian surplus that is ending up in the streets. Someone IS getting them legally and illegally transferring them. [/QUOTE][/qb] Originally posted by glassman: [qb] [QUOTE]getting what exaclty?[/QUOTE][/qb] Originally posted by Bigfoot: [qb] [QUOTE]This is the guns thread right? The argument is that making stricter rules on gun purchases will only make it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase weapons yes? That criminals will be able to get their hands on em no matter how tough the rules get? So...Where are these criminals getting all these illegal guns if not from legal buyers? Please don't tell me you think they all fell off the back of a truck. [/QUOTE][/qb] And here is where the conversation is sidetracked to what type of guns are used for what crime. Good information to have but not what I was speaking about. Where are all these guns (no matter the type) coming from that end up in the hands of all these criminals for whom it is illegal to purchase a gun? If our laws are being circumvented to allow illegal transport and distribution of firearms on such a large scale without any ability to backtrack the weapons previous history so that we can hold the illegal traffickers responsible then it stands to reason that our laws need a review and rewrite. I am not out to take your guns away. I am out to find a way to hold responsible those who choose to ignore the law and give or sell guns to these 18 yr old kids who are killing each other along with innocent bystanders. With fewer weapons being released in such an illegal and irresponsible fashion the end result should be fewer gun related crimes and fewer gun related homicides. This is my ultimate and only goal. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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