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[QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Bigfoot: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman: [qb] getting what exaclty? [/qb][/QUOTE]This is the guns thread right? The argument is that making stricter rules on gun purchases will only make it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase weapons yes? That criminals will be able to get their hands on em no matter how tough the rules get? So...Where are these criminals getting all these illegal guns if not from legal buyers? Please don't tell me you think they all fell off the back of a truck. [/qb][/QUOTE]i'm asking waht guns? because when i hear people say ban assualt weapons? i point to the stats that show assualt weapons are rarely used in crimes. in 94? when the ban was put in place? [b] Supporters of the ban also argued that "assault weapons" are disproportionately represented among guns used in crimes. "Although assault weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation," wrote former Presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan in a letter to House members, "they account for nearly 10 percent of the guns traced to crime." This number refers to weapons traced by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. But gun-control scholar David Kopel reports that the BATF traces less than 2 percent of the guns used in violent crime each year, and the sample is not representative. As Kopel notes, "assault weapons" are more likely to be traced than other guns precisely because they are unusual and have been the subject of so much attention. Furthermore, almost all of them were made after the Gun Control Act of 1968 and therefore have serial numbers, which are necessary to do a trace. Inventories of guns seized from criminals in major cities indicate that trace figures vastly overstate the use of "assault weapons" in crime. Summarizing data from 24 such inventories, criminologist Gary Kleck writes: "Virtually all of these studies show that only 0 to 4 percent of confiscated guns are assault weapons.[/b] you'll note that two GOP's were involved in supporting the ban too. now what is an assault weapon? and what crimes are they used in? hard to find the stats.. [b] America's Most Wanted Guns By Elaine Shannon/Washington Friday, Jul. 12, 2002 The top 10 guns used in crimes in the U.S. in 2000, according to an unpublished study by U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and obtained exclusively by TIME: 1. Smith and Wesson .38 revolver 2. Ruger 9 mm semiautomatic 3. Lorcin Engineering .380 semiautomatic 4. Raven Arms .25 semiautomatic 5. Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun 6. Smith and Wesson 9mm semiautomatic 7. Smith and Wesson .357 revolver 8. Bryco Arms 9mm semiautomatic 9. Bryco Arms .380 semiautomatic 10. Davis Industries .380 semiautomatic[/b] [IMG]http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2002/0207/topguns.jpg[/IMG] [b] The list is derived from the center's investigations of 88,570 guns recovered from crime scenes in 46 cities in 2000, is being analyzed for ATF's youth gun crime interdiction initiative, which helps local police forces understand and counter gun trafficking to youth in their jurisdictions. [/b] http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,320383,00.html these are also the most common guns and are the least expensive of the common guns in other words? most criminals are looking for cheap throw away often stolen guns.. most gun enthusiats are not interested in them you'll notice none of them have bayonete lugs. or even high capacity magazines.. in fact? my take on the assault weapons ban was that it was all about the private militias that wer popping up all over the place... tim mcveigh being one of the main reasons.. the Founding Fathers most definitley had revolution on th4eir mind when they stated that the right of the people to keep and bear arms was not to be infringed. they were after all Revolutionaries themselves. [b]One measure by which ATF gauges a gun's appeal as an offensive (rather than a defensive or sporting) weapon is its "time-to-crime" factor — how long after its sale it is used in a crime. Revolvers, not generally used as an offensive weapon, had a median time-to-crime of 12.3 years, according to the 2000 figures. At the other extreme, Bryco Arms 9mm semiautomatics recovered from kids younger than18 had a median time-to-crime of 1.5 years, and those recovered from suspects aged 18 to 24 had a median time-to-crime of 1.1 years. The Hi Point 9mm is another downscale semiautomatic frequently seized from suspects in the 18-to-24 age range; it has a time-to-crime span of just one year.[/b] now, see if you can find me stats showing how many guns obtained legally or illegallt are used to actually hurt or kill someone... cuz they obvioulsy confiscate a heckofalot more guns than are actually used to hurt someone. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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