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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Machiavelli: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman: [qb] [b]the govt gave away several tax rebates over the last five years, they had to do that to compensate for stagnation in wages. [/b] i've been in third world countries. i've spent time with the wealthy and the poor there. what makes a third world country a third world country? unequal distribution of wealth. having a few wealthy people that work hard to maintain their socio-economic status remain exactly the same is what makes those countries third world. the people with wealth there work actively to keep their poor in the same state. it's the easiest way to remain wealthy. even Mexico does this. that's why so many Mexicans come here to work. the notion that the US middle class makes too much money is just crazy. sure the middle class has borrowed too much here, but they have watched the wealthy do it even more. it is not socialism to "envision" a strong middle class that has money to spend. [/qb][/QUOTE]Whatever you say about Socialism falls on deaf ears Glass because of people's fears and paranoia about it... they fear the unknown... what we are seeing now about these fears is NeoMcCarthyism... especially from the GOP who wants to strike fear and hatred for the Dems... You are correct that the rich in Latin America prefer to keep the poor in poverty so that they may remain rich... I have seen it myself in Nicaragua when I visited there a few years back... I will be going to Nicaragua in December to see it again myself to visit my brother who is one of the poor of that country... there is a big divide of rich and poor in Nicaragua... there is no middle class.. about 2/3rd's of Nicaragua's population lives in poverty... also if you read Che Guevara's book The Motorcycle Diaries - Notes on a Latin American Journey, you'll see the divide from poverty and rich through his eyes before he became a Marxist radical... it was when he was a young medical student traveling through Latin American countries and it is what changed his political views about the world... if you prefer not to read it then watch the movie of the same title... But anyways the rich of those 3rd World Countries should embrace making the poor into middle class because these people would in turn spread the wealth up the ladder by buying goods and services... which in turn would make these 3rd world countries economic powers along the lines of U.S., Germany, Japan etc.. anyways Glass,people on this board and this country do not care about these 3rd world countries because Americans are self centered and selfish... it is what makes us be disliked by the rest of the world... Americans think that if we ignore poverty problems of the world it will go away and not affect us but in reality is that it does affect us directly or indirectly... I said it before and I'll say it again... we need to pressure 3rd world Gov't's to try to solve their poverty problems and not keep it the way it is with just rich and poor... by pressuring them to do so, it would create a middle class in those countries and drastically eliminate illegal immigration to our own country by wages increasing... and if that is not motivation enough then you use what is clear and dear to the American heart: Greed. Solving poverty in other countries and creating middle classes in those countries would create new customers for American goods and services which in turn would enrich the American economy. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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