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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Machiavelli: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Propertymanager: [qb] [QUOTE]instead of elevating the US? it's bringing US into the third world with "first world" tastes and no work ethic...[/QUOTE]WELL SAID! I agree with that 100%. We certainly won't get the work ethic back with socialism. Socialism provides no incentive to work or innovate, which is the main reason that it always fails. [/qb][/QUOTE]No incentive to work? What you forget is what we are doing is not "pure" socialism... we all get paid money and still spend money... what we are doing is not a classless and moneyless society... our Gov't will not be a one party Gov't.... we will still vote for our representatives every 4 years or whatever years... our Gov't is doing 1 of 2 things... either they are being the bank much like a bank such as Bank of America let's a business , whether big or small, borrow money to keep running and keeping people employed which in the end keeps our economy afloat when they spend their paychecks on goods and services... the 2nd thing they are doing is giving big Corporations money in return for a stake in the Business... not a "full" stake... but a shareholder much like any of us buy stock in a company in return for money... We are not turning into a one party classless society that has big business being totally state owned... the state/Gov't are part owners in some and lenders for others with money having to be paid back... the problem with our society, and pure Capitalism in general, is that it's always about me me me me instead of our for our society as a whole for the benefit of all of us... nor does pure Socialism work because then the state becomes the me me me me part... the only thing that will work is a combination of the two such as in France and other similar countries... The so called "socialists" of France and the "conservative/capitalists" in that country coexist without all this paranoia about each other... What you have to realize is our society has to work as a team and not as for every person out for themselves... because if not then what is happening now will collapse our society or will repeat itself in the future if we ever happen to come out of our situation we are in right now... Think of it this way... in the NFL how do teams win? As a Team and Teamwork or as a individual and putting your ego before the good of the team? ... Would the Cowboys, for example, win a game if only TO and Romo did all the plays individually or if they all worked as a team to get that touchdown? ... American society I'm sorry to say is a selfish society and that is why we fail when it begins to break apart... we all say were "patriotic" and "proud to be an American" when times are good but when things go bad we all fight each other and then all of a sudden its all about me me me me instead of pulling together and working together... that is not pure Socialism... that is teamwork... that is the "incentive" in a so called "socialist" scenario that you are using loosely... that is how we get out of such messes like in the Great Depression... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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