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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: [QB] [b]It was never mentioned because it goes without saying and age verification was used on her site so let's move on.[/b] Reread the article, Mach. It was actually mentioned. [b]Fletcher helped prevent minors from accessing the Red Rose site by charging a $10 monthly membership fee, and while allowing the posting of stories by members, prevented any images from being posted. [/b] It just didn't mention how the monthly membership fee was collected. Hence my original question as to credit card vs pay pal. [b]Those words you quoted from me were actually from the Wiki article you linked me to on Obscenity. Guess you didn't read that part.[/b] Oddly enough, Mach, I did. They don't diminish my point in the least. Without a solidly defined definition to work with, the legal definition used for prosecuting it is largely based on local MAJORITY opinion. What is ok in a 'red-light' district in some areas is way off limits in most of suburbia. [b]And even though you like to believe Majority rules that is not the case always.[/b] Whether through action or apathy, majority ALWAYS rules. [b]If that were true then Mormons such as yourself are in the minority in alot of religious issues etc. Since imo the Mormon religion is a minority christian religion.[/b] Yes, we are. What is your point? [b]Also I guess you didn't read my article I linked you where in Utah the Mormons are the MAJORITY but still lost the Obscenity/Pornography case for reasons other then the MAJORITY argument.[/b] Once again, oddly enough I did read your article. While I disagree with the conclusion the defense drew from records from a hotel in which many people from many areas stay to say that it must mean that mormons were the ones viewing porn; I don't argue that there area some that do. The Mormon Church isn't an exclusive club for the perfect. It's a group rehab for the imperfect who don't want to stay that way. As for the majority thing, you should check your stats before making blanket statements like that. http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2886596 "Professor Tim Heaton, who studies LDS demographics for church-owned Brigham Young University, says the county numbers probably come from church membership rolls, and that between half and one-third of those people are not active in the faith. If that's true, then, at most, 41.6 percent of Utahns are church-going Mormons. " We have been the minority for a while now and continue to drop back as an overall percentage of the population. As such is the case, that means that more and more decisions will be made that may not fully reflect the desires of the Church membership. Again, simple group dynamics at work. [b]She is writing "fantasy" stories and not advocating others to commit what they read in a fictional story. [/b] Fantasies are what you'd like to do if there were no consequences to doing it. By encouraging this kind of forum, she is just strengthening the appetite for it. Sooner or later, someone will act no matter how 'noble' her intentions. [b]I hate the religion not the person or as you would say hate the sin and not the sinner. [/b] Then just as a passing suggestion...attack the institution not those of us who claim to belong to them. You can just as easily wait until I (or anyone else) posts something you disagree with and THEN flame us. Looks more objective than assuming you know what we MIGHT post and pre-emptively flaming. :) [b]I am surprised you choose "Seeking Freedom" as a name when at the same time you want to supress it.[/b] Freedom means different things to different people. Maybe we'll cover it in another thread. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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