Post A Reply
my profile
login
|
register
|
search
|
faq
|
forum home
»
Allstocks.com's Bulletin Board
»
Off-Topic Post, Non Stock Talk
»
Freedom of Speech in this country... Not anymore....
» Post A Reply
Post A Reply
Login Name:
Password:
Message Icon:
Message:
HTML is enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Machiavelli: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: [qb] Actually it might have been. Porn sites HAVE to have some form of age identification\restriction to avoid distribution to minors issues. So, if they found she didn't do enough to stop minors from accessing her material that alone could have caused the suit.[/qb][/QUOTE]Again, I'll say it differently. No one was debating (the prosecutors and defense) that the site was a adults only site. It was never mentioned because it goes without saying and age verification was used on her site so let's move on. [QUOTE][qb]I think you need to read up a little more on what is termed pornography and obscene material under the legal terminology.[/qb][/QUOTE]" In fact, federal obscenity law in the U.S. is highly unusual in that—not only is there [b]no uniform national standard,[/b] but rather, there is an explicit legal precedent (the "Miller test", below) that all but guarantees that something that is legally "obscene" in one jurisdiction may not be in another. In effect, the First Amendment protections of free speech vary by location within the U.S., and over time. With the advent of Internet distribution of potentially obscene material, this question of jurisdiction and "community standards" has created significant controversy in the legal community." [QUOTE][qb]Sorry to be the one to break this to you, Mach, but, uh, no ALL words aren't protected. That was kind of the point in my linking the wikipedia article on it. The supreme court has ALWAYS held that the 1st amendment in nowhere near absolute. Several exceptions exist and are not protected. If you really think you can say whatever you want, try calling a friend and telling them you want to kill the president. You're body cavity search will follow shortly. Thank Bill for that 'freedom.'[/qb][/QUOTE]" The difference between erotic art and (protected) commercial pornography, vs. that which is legally obscene (and thus not covered by 1st Amendment protection), appears to be subjective to the local federal districts inside the United States and the local moral standards at the time." [QUOTE][qb][b]"The definition of obscenity differs from culture to culture, between communities within a single culture, and also between individuals within those communities."[/b] Guess I have to keep beating this horse 'cause it still isn't dead enough for you. THE MAJORITY GETS TO SET THE STANDARDS. If enought people consider it obscene material, it is. That's how it gets decided. Not by me, not by you. By the MAJORITY. At least at this moment, the majority consider child rape and torture obscene. Sorry if you don't.[/qb][/QUOTE]Those words you quoted from me were actually from the Wiki article you linked me to on Obscenity. Guess you didn't read that part. :) And even though you like to believe Majority rules that is not the case always. If that were true then Mormons such as yourself are in the minority in alot of religious issues etc. Since imo the Mormon religion is a minority christian religion. Also I guess you didn't read my article I linked you where in Utah the Mormons are the MAJORITY but still lost the Obscenity/Pornography case for reasons other then the MAJORITY argument. Here try reading it then tell me otherwise: [URL=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B01EEDA1631F930A15753C1A9669C8B6]http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B01EEDA1631F930A15753C1A9669C8B6 [/URL] 3 [QUOTE][qb]You may want to check that one again. Hate speech walks a fine line. If you just say you hate someone, you're fine. If you incite others to violent action through hate speech, you're not.[/qb][/QUOTE]Much like this case is a fine line. She is writing "fantasy" stories and not advocating others to commit what they read in a fictional story. [QUOTE][qb]Did you know that Stephen King said that he can't sleep without a night light because his stories have even given him the creeps. I'd be afraid to go out too if I fantasized about torturing children and thought others like that were common in public.[/qb][/QUOTE]Yes, I know Stephen King said that but what does that have to do with the case? I will say that I bet he gets his best stories from his nightmares/dreams. [QUOTE][qb][b]Your "Mormon" minions tried this BS in Utah against Pornography .....[/b] and [/qb][/QUOTE]Read it again because you do not seem to get it: [URL=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B01EEDA1631F930A15753C1A9669C8B6]http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B01EEDA1631F930A15753C1A9669C8B6 [/URL] 3 [b]What is OBSCENE is letting a bunch of right wing Christians dictate what is allowed to be written or not written and the hell with Freedom of Speech....[/b] [QUOTE][qb]This is why discussion and debate are a dying art, Mach. Why bother debating a point when you can just generalize and make bigoted, myopic comments like these. You claim that 'right wing christians' are the ones that are predjudice while spewing this kind of garbage. Way to take the moral high ground. [/qb][/QUOTE]I admit I am prejudice against right wing Christians but that is because i see the same from them. That is my flaw and i admit it. I hate the religion not the person or as you would say hate the sin and not the sinner. :D Anyways i am trying to debate or discuss this with you and others but someone else had to turn it into a flame fest because he don't like me.... like he thinks I care. But anyways if you wish we can continue discussing this and hopefully others will join and offer both pro's and con's in this issue. I will be more civil and try not to lose my cool (my latin temper i suppose <shrugs>). I am surprised you choose "Seeking Freedom" as a name when at the same time you want to supress it. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Instant Graemlins
Instant UBB Code™
What is UBB Code™?
Options
Disable Graemlins in this post.
*** Click here to review this topic. ***
Contact Us
|
Allstocks.com Message Board Home
© 1997 - 2021 Allstocks.com. All rights reserved.
Powered by
Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2