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[QUOTE]Originally posted by bdgee: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Propertymanager: [qb] bdgee, My point was (and is) that the wacko left wants to cry about energy problems but is unwilling to accept the sacrifices they want ordinary Americans to accept! And again I say that the wacko left is not serious about this issue. If they were really serious, they would EMBRACE these wind turbines in their back yard. If you read that article that Lockman cited, you would see that all the environmental groups were in favor of the wind farm and it had passed all the wacko left environmental hurdles. KENNEDY killed it because he doesn't want a wind farm to spoil the ocean area where he sails his yacht. Just as I said. All this environmental wacko stuff is just a BIG SCAM! Mike [/qb][/QUOTE]First of all, the description of anyone as "wacko left" is a crude insult, not just to them but to the society as a whole. It isn't much different than referring to people of African decent with the "N" word. Just having to hear such intentional demeaning speech is insulting. Enduring the insulting of a class of people without decent is capitulating to bigotry, even participating in it. We are a better people that that, excepting those that would use the "N" word as a description of people and those like you that insist on treating other people similarly. Second, your characterization of people that like or support energy production other than via fossil fuels as political of any sort is offensive. Many many long time solidly conservative republicans as well as non-republicans strongly support the cessation of energy production with fossil fuels and for many many reasons, only a few having to do with pollution or global warming. My own principle reason for advocating non-fossil fuel energy production is based largely on understanding that without oil and coal, MOST of the technology that enables us to live in a "modern" society requires plastics or plastic like substances made from coal and petroleum. We need to save fossil fuels for that use and to not make those plastics so expensive we end up a third world nation. You claim that people that advocate non-fossil fuel energy are not serious is, to put it bluntly and honestly, simple minded and dishonest. You have no idea whether or not they are serious since you spend so much effort insulting them you never actually consider their proposals or their reasoning. No one is going to "EMBRACE these wind turbines in their back yard" any more than they wish to have an oil rig working 24 hours a day right beside their child's sand box. Get serious yourself! It isn't necessary to place them in the back yard of any city (though, sometimes, in order to drill for oil or gas, it is....people object then too) and it isn't honest to claim that not wanting them in ones back yard prevents them from being serious or makes them liberal. (Have you ever had a drilling rig or clean out rig working nearby? I have and I'd choose a wind turbine any day.) I did read the link Lochman provided and the one you provided and can HONESTLY report that you were dishonest when you claimed that Ted Kennedy said no to wind farms anywhere on the east coast. Right this very minute, many of my neighbors are organized into political groups fighting putting gas drilling sites in the back yards of this neighborhood. They are certainly not un-serious, as you insist, about taking the royalties that will ensue from the gas production and they are certainly not all backward "wacko left", because they do not want gas wells drilled in their back yard or in the city's or county's parks or golf courses or the medians of it's boulevards. They are concerned and serious citizens of various political persuasions (many are far right-wing extremist, like you) and do not deserve the slanders such as you host for such actions. Ted Kennedy, like my neighbors objects to turning what is effectively "his back yard" into an industrial site and you mis-characterize that concern as his overall political position. You are out of line and dishonest. I think you have never seen and heard an oil well being drilled and probably never seen a wind turbine at all, much less suffered through one's construction nearby???? It isn't conducive to sleep or sitting around in the back yard sipping cold beer with the neighbors and watching the steaks sizzle over charcoal. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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