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Thats amazing...!! pfftt..30k for a new car..?
Thats a great deal compared to some of the other crap out there today...
cottonjim
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os, did I miss something??????? I have been here and have not seen a single one of your 10,074 post's, what are the odd's. Maybe I know you by another name perhaps????????????
T e x
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1,074 posts...
Hannibull
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in the beginning it will only be available in California, though they say they will expand to other states and other countries.
a 120 miles range is not very far though... other than that, it looks cool
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So I'm guessing it's a rule that all of these miracle gas sipping cars look horrible, with the exception of tesla's.
CashCowMoo
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Its too bad this car is ugly like just about all the other cars that are very eco friendly.
i am not trying to be a downer here, but does anyone else notice that trend? the nicest looking cars in my opinion use more gas, and the more eco friendly are designed very oddly. like it is some new trendy thing.
i wouldnt want to be caught dead in some of these vehicles no matter how fuel efficient they are.
Propertymanager
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Is mpg even important in an electric or hybrid car? In an all electric car, the mpg would be infinite, but that still doesn't consider how much energy or pollution it costs to manufacture the car and operate the car. Could a "clean" electric car actually pollute MORE than a typical gasoline powered vehicle?
T e x
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you're stumbling around your own answer...bbl equivalence.
Ace of Spades
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quote:Originally posted by cottonjim: os, did I miss something??????? I have been here and have not seen a single one of your 10,074 post's, what are the odd's. Maybe I know you by another name perhaps????????????
mabey changed his name?
cottonjim
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: 1,074 posts...
To much eggnog, makes me feisty as well as not see straight
The Bigfoot
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quote:Aptera has two innovative models that are almost production-ready at $30,000 and below: for next year, the all-electric, 120-mile-range Typ-1 e that we drove; and, by 2009, the range-extended series gasoline Typ-1 h, which Aptera says will hit 300 mpg. A more conventional third model, called “Project X” or perhaps Typ-2, is now in the design phase, with plans for a four-wheeled chassis and seating up for to five passengers.
No, electric cars do not have mpg ratings. The range is what is important. Unless you have a commute that is longer that and hour and a half or so this would work for most people (assuming you can plug it in at work).
Everyone who is making these cars are trying for optimal performance which means cutting down wind resistance as much as possible. That is why they are funny looking. Get used to them. It may not happen in the main-stream to such a degree but the tapered off look is going to become more and more common in future transportation.
I just want to know if it's been tested on a winter track. It is a breakthrough in economy but that won't help me up here much if it can't handle on snow and ice.
OH, and yes. Plugging your vehicle in to an electric source has been proven to produce less pollution per mile than a conventional gasoline engine even if the energy is being produced by a fossil fuel based power plant. (Unless the vehicle is terribly inefficient that is.)
BF
cottonjim
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Gear driven wheel generators!! One at each wheel coupled to the battery source, charge the battery every time the car is in motion. Work it off of the same principal as a wind generator, just scale it down alot. Once the wheels were up to a specified RPM the motor would be self sufficient, only relying on a secondary power source to get up to the necessary RPM to run the motor and/or charge the battery at the same time. That whole damn perpetual motion problem.
Propertymanager
posted Plugging your vehicle in to an electric source has been proven to produce less pollution per mile than a conventional gasoline engine even if the energy is being produced by a fossil fuel based power plant. (Unless the vehicle is terribly inefficient that is.)
Do you have any info about energy cost per mile with electric vs. gas? (not including the purchase price)
Mike
The Bigfoot
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It can really depend on weight of vehicle, wind resistance, etc. but I think I remember a place that goes into cost basics...I'll try to find it for you tomorrow.
BF
The Bigfoot
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It is an old article and doesn't have the graph I am looking for but worth reading anyway.
Rather confusing but it does address the issue in graphic form.
The Bigfoot
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Main problem with electrics is availability.
There are really only two highway rated models in America right now and they both cost over $100,000. (Commutercar's Tango, Tesla EV)
There are a number of neighborhood vehicles and scooters for those who don't mind not being able to take the highway. Or you can modify a conventional ICE to an EV with a kit. I don't know if the economics of conversions are quite as good though as the bodies of conventional vehicles are so much heavier. You'd have to talk to one of the die-hards to know.
I would just guess that the owner of Aptera will be losing money until demand for the vehicle picks up to the point that they can support a production facility. That's the main thing that sinks the non-luxury startups of this type.
You either have to go expensive and fit a niche market excluding the general population or go inexpensive and take the risk that you will have enough orders to support an assembly line. So far, that hasn't worked here in the US.
Ace of Spades
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so whatever happended with this?
Hannibull
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meanwhile oil went over $100/barrel today, and we can't do a damn thing about it
The Bigfoot
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Toyota Prius sales top Ford Explorer (the best selling SUV in America) in 2007.
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