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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Machiavelli: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Machiavelli, It is not as simple as you and these politicians are trying to make it. If these indivuals are diagosed as being that much of a threat to themselves and others, shouldn't they be under special care? [/qb] Travel to NYC and the streets here to see mentally ill who should be under special care then you can get back to me why Vets should get more special treatment then the mentally ill street people in NYC among other places... we are all first and foremost human beings and should be equal.. not Vets getting special treatment over other people because of their past duty... they did their duty for our country and not to be treated more special then others... most vets i talk to just tell me they are not heroes... they did their duty for their coutry and the real heroes are the ones who died... [quote] When i made the statement about very sick veterans it could apply to anyone, but since we were talking about vets i felt i would stay there. I was the one that posted the brief ptsd discription that listed different possible causes of ptsd, some are not necessarily military related.(page 1)[/QUOTE]Again why should Vets be treated differently if others who are no Vets have the same disease? ... I believe it was Bgeesus who once said to me that no one on this board can say how the debate should go... it can start out with the original topic but progress from there which it has... this law should not only apply to Vets with this disease but all who have this disease is my opinion... as for who posted different possible causes of PTSD... i can only recall Glassman posting it before you since I was originally talking to Glassman about this in this thread and not you... you came later... as you always do when you feel the need and superiority to debate me in any thread... [QUOTE] What violent acts have these veterans committed that they are going to be banned for life from owning a gun? [/QUOTE]Oh , excuse me. You are Dr. Xavier and can connect to each person on earth to know what they did or didn't do? Didn't know you were a mutant X-Men. My bad. Sorry I couldn't help myself but in this case your assuming not one vet has committed a violent act after they got out of the service. [QUOTE]Should people with mental problems have weapons? Why not? There are varying degrees of mental problems. But if you think that is a reason for not allowing someone ever to have a weapon, then there is no point to anything else.[/QUOTE]There you go again. Putting words in my mouth. I have said more then once in this thread that only serious mental patients should not have guns ala schizo, bipolar, personality disorder, PTSD (perhaps, further studies needed) etc. Scroll back and reread some of my posts for when I said these things. [QUOTE]Why do many veterans not go outside of VA for medical care? Many cannot afford to. [/QUOTE]there are adequate free clinics with competent professionals imo that are not VA facilities... [QUOTE]Are these veterans that are banned going to get money to go outside the VA? I really doubt it.[/QUOTE]Read above post [QUOTE]Is my reasoning as a vet affecting my judgement? I don't think so. I do not like guns. But to take that right away from someone for life just because they are a vet with ptsd is ridiculous. It appears they will not do an extensive diagosis or have a court hearing to prove ALL these vets are a major threat to themselves or others, which is just sad. [/QUOTE]Is it affecting your judgement? yup.. very much so and you do not have to like guns to have this affect your judgement. You being a vet has to do with it. Anything that has to do with Vets you will always be in favor of the Vet no matter the issue and that is clear. You do not see a Vet and a non Vet as the same even if both have the same diseases etc. I see both the same because to me both are first and foremost a human being. Btw I don't think they said anything about banning for life. More like till they get better and pose no danger to themselves or others. That to me is reasonable and fair and right. [QUOTE] You cannot take several indivuals and say, see they are a major threat to themselves and others, and thereby concluded that all these millions of other vets fall into that same category. At least i didn't think so. Like i have said before that is discrimination against a disabled vet. [quote] Sure I can. You can take any individual and stigmatize the group as a whole. It's done all the time in other areas in this country. It is a democracy afterall lol And not for nothing but I don't think "millions" are said to have this disease and no one is saying that and are not under any illusions that they are since not "millions" have been in combat since WW2 or Korean War. [quote]This law appears to make a general statement in order to take a constitutional right away from a lot of vets. Kinda makes you wonder why they were serving their country, doesn't it? [/QUOTE]They served their country and not for any benefit derived from it. That's how I see it. <shrugs> [/QB][/QUOTE]
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