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[QUOTE]Originally posted by OILDOG: [QB] Glass: A Young Bush Appointee Resigns His Post at NASA So?? Bush replaced Clintons liars with his own,and Clinton replaced GHW Bushs with his and on and on...........!!!! It called...politics. And..that says nothing about him ALTERING data, just....access. Bigfoot-- "And for God's sake, just go and watch Al Gore's movie." Your kidding!!! The dumber of the Moron Twins?? Dumb at least "achieved" an MBA. Dumber....nada. I'll get around to it....someday...for laffs. A "voice-over celebrity" reading a script about a subject he can't comprehend. Just another Chicken Little,but not nearly as bright. Bush is vastly underrated by his political enemies. Gore is vastly overrated by his followers (Gore-ons). I equate AlGores "effort" with Dan Rathers "Guns of Autumn". POS :D :D :D Glass,Crichton made his point very clear. Read the "authors message" again. We are in a NATURAL warming trend. Sea level has been rising, NATURALLY, for 6000' years. The Little Ice Age ended about 1850, just a little over 150 years ago. Natural cycles,warming/cooling. And...that stuff has to melt and go SOMEWHERE. And,all during that time,temps fluctuated,like a sine wave. Are you interested that the Medieval Warm was a temp peak,higher than predicted by the CCMs for this GW,that was immediately followed by a minimum,the Little Ice Age? The Warm is a big big problem for the Chikin Litles!!!Interesting that they have to eliminate it, cook the books, to get a temp median going...up. The computer models are worthless. Garbage in,garbage out. Take the last Hurrican season. The weather heads started following the Canadian model,because it "seemed" to be more accurate. Guess if you have ENOUGH models, one is likely to be right. Next year it may be the American model,or the Brits, or French. Who knows? They sure dont. Think a casino will let you place a bet,and let you roll a dozen pairs of dice...til you get the result you WANT? taint likely. But,heres my real problem. If the data is good, the theory "Man is the Cause" real, why cook the books. Why use bogus examples like Bigfoots "suggestion" about Venice? Everytime a hurrican,tornado,drought,rain,wind,no wind...occurs, its because we drive SUVs,use natural gas,"rape" the planet??? Bigfoot: Venice is sssiiiinnnkkkkinnng!! It built in a marshy lagoon. Sinking of Venice High water in Venice. Venice and surroundings in false colour, from TERRA satellite. The picture is oriented with North at the top.The buildings of Venice are constructed on closely spaced wood piles (under water, in the absence of oxygen, wood does not decay) which penetrate alternating layers of clay and sand. Wood for piles was cut in the most western part of todays Slovenia, resulting in the barren land called Karst. Most of these piles are still intact after centuries of submersion. The foundations rest on the piles, and buildings of brick or stone sit above these footings. The buildings are often threatened by flood tides pushing in from the Adriatic between autumn and early spring. Six hundred years ago, Venetians protected themselves from land-based attacks by diverting all the major rivers flowing into the lagoon and thus preventing sediment from filling the area around the city. This created an ever-deeper lagoon environment. During the 20th century, when many artesian wells were sunk into the periphery of the lagoon to draw water for local industry, Venice began to subside. It was realised that extraction of the aquifer was the cause. This sinking process has slowed markedly since artesian wells were banned in the 1960s. However, the city is still threatened by more frequent low-level floods (so-called Acqua alta, "high water") that creep to a height of several centimeters over its quays, regularly following certain tides. In many old houses the former staircases used by people to unload goods are now flooded, rendering the former ground floor uninhabitable. Thus, many Venetians resorted to moving up to the upper floors and continuing with their lives. Some recent studies have suggested that the city is no longer sinking [citation needed], but this is not yet certain; therefore, a state of alert has not been revoked. In May 2003 the Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi inaugurated the MOSE project (Modulo Sperimentale Elettromeccanico), an experimental model for evaluating the performance of inflatable gates; the idea is to lay a series of 79 inflatable pontoons across the sea bed at the three entrances to the lagoon. When tides are predicted to rise above 110 centimetres, the pontoons will be filled with air and block the incoming water from the Adriatic sea. This challenging engineering work is due to be completed by 2011. Some experts say that the best way to protect Venice is to physically lift the City to a greater height above sea level - by pumping water into the soil underneath the city. This way, some hope, it could rise above sea levels, protecting it for hundreds of years, and eventually the MOSE project may not be necessary (it will, controversially, alter the tidal patterns in the lagoon, damaging some wildlife). A further point about the "lifting" system would be that it would be permanent - the MOSE Project is, by its very nature, a temporary system: it is expected to protect Venice for "only" 100 years. Check yer facts,Chikin..er,Big. Anyway,global warming has been ongoing since the last iceage,and will continue...until the next. Trying to equate land use problems with Global Warming Caused by Man,is bogus. Clearing coastal marshes and development along the Gulf Coast, and building New Orleans on a sinkhole has nothing to do with global warming,directly. Or building homes in flood plains. Its just stupid. Look,we need to be frugal,and sensible with our land,water,air,all of it. But we cant do that with cooked data,cherry-picking data,scare tactics,ect. One of the "upsides" to all this is ....we may actually learn how to "control" the atmosphere...sort of. We are going to need to in the next century or two, to defeat the NATURAL cycles of the Earth. But we will NEVER be able to control the Suns heat output,unusual periods of high sunspots,the earths wobbly orbit. All are BIG factors,never discussed. No money in it. Need some sleep. CUL :) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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