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[QUOTE]Originally posted by permanentjaun: [QB] Ace of Spades, The videos on here have the opinion of 1 journalist who "heard" that he was walking out the door. Those 100 witnesses you speak of haven't spoken yet. Don't try to speak for them. What did they do before tasers? Police officers died from being stabbed and shot by the people they were trying to arrest. The stun gun is an effective weapon because it is nonlethal with, in nearly all cases, no permanant damage. Why did he not show his ID, because he thought he was being targeted? Show the ID and the confrontation is over. You target yourself when you think you're only being picked out for your ethnicity, as if you're not able to be suspect to laws because of it. I have not once said that the cops did not use excessive force when they continually tasered him. They will be punished for that. They did have the right to taser him the first time. He was resisting to show ID and was therefore trespassing. That is illegal. Believe it or not, but removing those without ID is for their safety. One of the videos clearly points out the libraries policy of only allowing students past 11 is to prevent strangers and homeless from using the library. This is to keep out criminals, drug dealers, and other various types. How would you like to send your kid to a school which allows possible criminals and drug dealers to be in close proximity to your children late at night? What if he was a rapist stalking a female waiting for her to leave the library after 12 at night. Don't tell me Los Angeles is a safe city to live in. THIS IS WHY HE NEEDS TO SHOW ID! Again, I'll repeat, I do believe the cops used excessive force once they tasered him more than once. One taser, as you point out, is enough to incapacitate someone for 15 minutes. Where they taser someone is not inhumane unless they purposefuly tasered him in the genitals or somewhere sensitive such as the eyes. The ass is mainly fat and not as painfully sensitive as other areas of the body. In fact tasering in the ass may have been more humane. It is mainly fat and away from vital organs such as the heart. He announced he had a medical condition AFTER the first taser. This is why I still back up the police in their initial taser, but not in their subsequent taserings. They used excessive force once they tasered him the 2nd and other times. They let him off with a citation because they later learned that he was a student. Therefore, he was not trespassing. He did interrupt in the officers duties of effectively scanning the people in the library to see who should and should not be there. If he was not a student then they could have charged him with trespassing. Simple as that. He broke no laws after the fact. If he was a non student he was breaking a law. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS SHOW AN ID! If he had no ID, leave peacefully from the initial request. It's the same reason we allow ourselves to be frisked before entering sporting events, concerts, or other major events. We want to keep those with weapons out and keep the rest of us inside safe. I'd like to see you get past the front gate guards and demand you be let in without being frisked. It's the same thing here. The students need to show a form of student ID to prove they're legally allowed to be there. This is to keep the harmful people out and protect the students inside. Your point about the cops threatening the other students when asked for badge numbers isn't very strong. You're making conflicting points. You saw how everyone was acting. You say it was 4 cops versus 1 little kid and therefore the taser wasn't necessary. Then you protect the students when it was essentially 50 students versus 4 cops. Who has the upper hand then? That is why the cops needed to threaten the students. Their safety was clearly in danger and needed to regain control of the situation. I'm surprised how close the cop at the end allows the one kid to yell in his face. I've seen people maced for less. I'll say it again. The cops were right in their procedures in their initial tasering. If I get more proof that the kid was leaving at the time of the events then I'll change my position. Right now though, there is no video of that portion and its all "he said she said" that he was leaving. That needs to be proven. Again, the kid should have just shown ID. I stil have no pity for him. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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