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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Griffon: [QB] "You speak as if the Arabs in Israel had it so good prior to the Jews immigrating. Those arabs lived in poverty in slums." Exactly right Sunnyside. I never talked about their living conditions, did I? And the children I work with would never have Israel become an Arab state. But the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have a different perspective don't they? "Chatted with Jewish and Arab Israelis alike. Big deal. You don't impress me in the least. And I don't buy your propagandist, bigotted sob stories." Lived with Arabs and Jewish Israelis alike. How about you? As to their nationality and religion, it's funny how as I lectured in classes with Jew, Muslim, Druze and Christian, we did not quibble about who was what religion. As we sat around tables we did not care that two were Arab 48, two were Jewish Israeli, one was Palestinian and one was American. We could see humanity in each other. The mix of Jewish and Arabic names should have helped you see that. Mennachem is not Arabic, nor are his parents names, Mosha and Golda. "As far as Jerusalem being an open city, well its only been an open city since the Jews won it in a war not of their own making. While in the hands of the arabs, that city was on lock down. Now its open to the world." Wrong type of open city Sunny. I am talking about a totally neutral city, devoid of nationality, not open to everyone. Course that too is a myth. Try being an Arab 75 year old man going to the Al Aqsa Mosque for Friday prayers when the wrong soldier is guarding at Temple Mount. "And, every time you say call it Palestine instead of Israel, you are showing your bigotry." Nope, I have no bigotry. Nuff said but to elaborate: I call the region Israel/Palestine, never Palestine. I call the area settled in 1948 treaty as Israel: Israel. I call the Occupied Territories Palestinian Authority as per UN convention following Oslo. If I refer to Palestinians, I am refering to those whose home is in the PA as set out in the UN. If I refer to Arab Israelis or Arab 48 I am refering to those Israelis who have to identify themselves with a 2 or with 8 stars on their identity cards as a symbol of Israel's second class of persons. "I'd rather deal in reality, even if it isn't pretty. Sometimes the truth just ain't pretty. But, without reality you can't even begin to help people." So please tell me: how is it refusing to deal with reality when I see children eating rats in Ramallah? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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