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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Griffon: [QB] "And yes, assured there were WMDs in Iraq and Saddam had "arrangements" to share them with Ben Laden, many democrats voted to allow him to wage war with Iraq [b]with his promise that they would only go there to remove the imminent threat Bush assured us existed that Saddam posed to the Physical U.S. and then only after all other approaches failed.[b] No such threat existed and we are in a quagmire with Congressional Republicans still playing the party line. That party line has offered no solution and has made it clear that it intends to not do so."Stay the course" is NOT a solution", only an admission that they have none. If the republicans can provide no solution, then they need to accept the fact that they are responsible and stop trying to pass that responsibility off to democrats that didn't bring about the problem and haven't maintained it by party line votes to allow the Administration a free ride." Bdgee, As my thread on why the dems support genocide proved we now have proof of 1: WMDs moved by Russians a few days prior to the war; and 2: links between Saddy and terrorists in Palestine and Afghanistan. The Democrats supported the war because the truth spoke for itself. "Like I said, it's as if the Bush Administration has dropped an egg on the floor and everyone is angry that the Democrats don't have a solution to make that egg whole again." Not at all, GB, I commend President GB for acting to stop the on-going ethnic cleansing of the Marsh Arabs, environmental degradation and the genocide of the Kurds. The Democrats I criticize because they would prefer the ethnic cleansing, genocide and environmental degradation continue rather than depose a brutal dictator we brought to power. Course they have had more experience with doing nothing in the face of genocide. Honestly, I am not angry with the Democrats for not cleaning an egg up off the floor, I like 'em scrambled for that matter. I am upset with the Democrats because they whine about Bush not doing a good job, then offer no substance. Our Bishop had a good saying, "You might not like my idea; you might even want to knock it down. But before you do put something better in its place." All I hear from the Dems (in very Python-esque" terms) is: "Run away! It's a fluffy bunny with sharp pointy teeth." They cower behind "Hate Bush" because they know, there was a time when they would have rallied an anti-war movement that would have prevented the war. There was a time when they would have offered a competing vision for this nation that would have re-focused the debate on their terms. Now they are so impotent that on every issue BUT the war, they sound like watered-down Republicans. See we don't elect copies of the successful team. We vote on the vision and a negative or unclear vision always loses. Ultimately the Democrats came away from the trouncing they received in 1994 with the wrong lesson. Susan Estrich expressed what they learned after the pasting the Democrats got in 2004: "We lost because we weren't mean enough; we didn't get the hate vote out." You know what, I won't walk across the street to vote "against" someone, but I will vote after driving and working all day to vote "for" someone. My Democratic friends are shut out of Howard Dean's team because they told him that. Anger and hate do not win elections. Shadowing the opponent ideologically is not only being fake, it sounds like mush. It gets you the title "flip-flopper." Now I happen to like flip-flops on Palm Beach, though my bald head always burns to a crisp when I wear them. And I honestly don't mind a person with a nuanced position on difficult issues. That is a good flip-flopper. A bad flip-flopper listens to which direction the political wind is going and switches for political convenience. Susan had it all wrong. The Democrats lost and will keep on losing as long as they let the Republicans pick the tune. When they run on hate, they cease defining themselves on their own terms and on their own issues. I mean the Democrats lost big and bad to a vulnerable sitting president. They lost to a vulnerable president they labeled as dumb. I mean did you see James Carville and Susan Estrich * 7pm on CNN all grins and smiles? By 9pm they were gone and never returned that whole evening. They were so sure they would win that they were devastated when they lost. Well, ask my bro' I predicted that on election morning. In fact I had said it a few weeks before the election. I told him then, we vote for vision not hate. But you know what's funny, President Clinton did that two week run through Arkansas and Missouri and nearly turned those states. Why? Because he talked issues and programs. No attacking Bush, he simply focused on where Democratic principles and plans were better. I mean it was a 14% turn-around in Arkansas. You see, it's a lesson anyone with a 13 year old girl should have learned. Prado is NOT Prada, meaning copy-cats aren't cool, and there ain't much difference between what Dems and Republicans claim as a platform. And it is distinctiveness is what sells. Try telling your teen-ager Keds are as good or as cool as Nikes. The Dems never offered a compelling alternative, no distinctive vision. And they got smoked. Now don't mistake me for a Republican. I am merely pointing out why the Dems lost and will lose. The Democrats can turn this around with a compelling vision and strong leadership; not mean leadership, strong leadership. The person with the vision and leadership ability is Barak Obama. I would vote for him in a minute. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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