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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Art: [QB] Kate: Since God is no respector of persons Art, it means he loves the terrorist, just the same as he loves you and me. Art: The universal quantum computational process (God) doesn't love or hate. Aspects of that process, in individual personalities (both carnate and incarnate) do love and hate and do act in angelic ways and in demonic ways. We are not filfilling God's will by always loving everyone - we thereby fail to learn from experience and remain stagnant in our soul development, in being a fool. Kate: He teaches us to love one another, as he loves us. Art: No, you "get off" on loving others and become a complusive lover of humanity. You selfishly pursue your compulsion and justify it with delusions of a God that wants you to engage in your compulsion. I am starting a new religion for sexual compulsives - the God of this religion wants us to have sex as often and with as many people as we can, regardless of the consequences to self or others. This is less evil than your religion of loving everyone and thereby encouraging their evil, and you find heaven on earth with my religion. Kate: It isn't the terrorists fault, that he doesn't know any better, because he doesn't know the truth that will set him free, just as it isn't yours! Art: Blame is an evaluation that assesses causality for pain, frustration, suffering, etc. Regardless of why the terrorist kills, if they kill innocent people or those who your care, they are properly blamed for evil. You can love them and send them money - not me. Kate: You can't blame a baby for doing what is wrong, when he hasn't learned the difference; so it is with people, in God's eyes! Art: Yes, unconditional love is appropriate for the infant, but not for the child or for anyone else. Conditional love (and hate) is appropriate for other than the infant. You should love only those who in some way contribute or help, now or in the future, either you, your kin or your nation - conditional love, and reject or hate eveyone else. This is wise love that discourages evil and promotes good. We are not our brother's keeper - our brother is responsible for himself. That makes our brother act in good ways to help himself or others. Providing unconditionally for our brother or anyone else will destroy them - make them dependent and lazy, and encourage them to be evil. Kate: REAL love, is never evil! Art: Only if provided conditionally, as deserved. Kate: If people would care enough about others, as they do for their own selves, we wouldn't have any problems! Think about it! Art: Liberal idealistic BS - that will never, ever happen. There will always be situations forcing you to choose between self or others, and loving others means hating your self, and loving your self means hating others. Hate is as necessary as love, will alwys remain in parity to love, and in the final analysis is as good as love. Kate: Personally, I look forward to living in a world without problems, and war, and hate, and darkness, and looking forward to living in a world with total love, continuous learning, joy, and peace! Art: You are describing a drug trip of pure pleasure, except for the loving and learning part, and both loving and learning involve pain and suffering, and neither can occur without pain and suffering. Kate: What you are saying to me, is that my caring for you as a person, is evil! Art: You don't care for me since you argue against me, and at the moment of doing so, you hate me in a very mild way. Now this hate is mixed with love, since you are trying to set my thinking straight and thereby help me. So this is moral hate or hate based in love. This is the same as when you punish a child for running out into the street - in punishing the child you show hate, but it is based in love that wants to protect the child from harm. A hate fre wporld is impossible - a world without any discipline or teaching for example. Kate: Hmmmmm! Strange! Would you like me better, if I hated you, and wanted to hurt and destroy you? Art: I would like you if you could send me money. Kate: I'm sorry, but your emotions are misguided Art! You go and take a poll, and see how many people think love is evil, when it doesn't pertain to themselves! I bet you are in the smallest minority with your thinking! Art: That would confirm the validity of my views - if most agreed with me I would likely be wrong. Kate: That is what is wrong with the world! People don't give love, and they won't accept love! They only think about themselves! That is the definition of the word, "selfish" Art: What is wrong with the world is ignorance and stupidity. Selfishness "is", and what is is fine. The problem is that selfishness is often best served by selflessness in helping (loving) others. We should thus be loving as it serves our best interests (actually, the best interests of our genes in seeking continued membership in the human gene pool). Our best selfish interests are served, as I have said, when we wisely love and hate on a conditional basis - helping those who contribute or reciprocate to us, our kin, or our nation, hating those who take from or exploit us, our kin, or our nation. This is the true morality that is consistent with enhancing human soul development. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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