HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!?
Posted by rimasco on :
HDSN high bid 0063
Posted by rimasco on :
getting some volume
Posted by rimasco on :
CHOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted by rimasco on :
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Posted by I_Pick_Pennies on :
UP 25% ask/Bid are same
Posted by J_U_ICE on :
Great call Rimasco you're on FIRE!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by dacollecter on :
damn, missed it
Posted by nomed on :
Still lots of room to move... Posted by PCola77 on :
WTF just happened? I bought this like 2 months ago at .006 and set a sell at .009 just half joking and it just executed.
Anyone know what's up?
Posted by stocks1984 on :
why cant i pull the chart on stockcharts?
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: WTF just happened? I bought this like 2 months ago at .006 and set a sell at .009 just half joking and it just executed.
Anyone know what's up?
Mabey news is coming...
Posted by stocks1984 on :
nevermind found it. but man alot of sells going through
Posted by rimasco on :
I sold a little
Posted by PCola77 on :
Yeah, with a quick 50% rise in like 5 minutes on apparently no news, I would think a lot of people would be willing to bidwack to take their profits. Shoul dbe interesting to see what happens next
quote:Originally posted by stocks1984: nevermind found it. but man alot of sells going through
Posted by rimasco on :
I gotta hold a chunk........just in case Posted by PCola77 on :
Me too Posted by nomed on :
Yeah, with a quick 50% rise in like 5 minutes on apparently no news, I would think a lot of people would be willing to bidwack to take their profits. Shoul dbe interesting to see what happens next
I think it is hitting a wall. Millions bought yesterday at .01.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
just reviewed the chart, boy, does it look good. Very good actually. RSI has not reach point of oversold yet. ADX & Aroon going up , with accum/dist making attempt to go up as well. PPS broke out on a bollinger break out on the upside, MACD heading upwards to neutral zone , then probable positive territory, CCI 426 (speaks for itself) and SLOW STO going way up! just a question were will this peak at
Posted by rimasco on :
Im hoping somewhere around a BUCK
(im kidden)
Posted by stocks1984 on :
.011 could be peak for today
Posted by rimasco on :
Im gonna "BORROW" JUice's recipe and let the free shares rideeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by PCola77 on :
What do you mean millions bought yesterday at .01? There were 10million shares bougth total yesterday and the high was .0065
quote:Originally posted by nomed: Yeah, with a quick 50% rise in like 5 minutes on apparently no news, I would think a lot of people would be willing to bidwack to take their profits. Shoul dbe interesting to see what happens next
I think it is hitting a wall. Millions bought yesterday at .01.
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: Printed 4 mill at 01
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!?
Happened the other day. Had a feeling it wasnt a fat finger
Posted by traderofcents on :
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by rimasco: Printed 4 mill at 01
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- There were two trades, totalling approx. 15 mil. So caled my broker, those trades were cancelled right away! I also just talked w/Glenn * PAIV IR, does'nt know why sudden movement in stock.
Posted by I_Pick_Pennies on :
anyone got L2 on PAIV
Posted by Duncan Idaho on :
MM ID Bid Size Time FRAN 0.0085 50 11:42:37 HILL 0.0085 50 11:50:08 HDSN 0.0083 50 11:32:43 SSGI 0.0083 50 11:35:18 NITE 0.0083 50 11:39:52 UBSS 0.0078 50 10:07:12 TASL 0.0075 50 07:36:52 VFIN 0.0075 50 07:36:52 BMIC 0.0061 50 07:36:52 AUTO 0.0060 50 09:56:40 TDCM 0.0055 50 07:36:52 VNDM 0.0055 50 07:36:52 SBSH 0.0042 50 07:36:52
MM ID Ask Size Time NITE 0.0088 50 11:39:52 UBSS 0.0090 50 10:07:12 TASL 0.0095 50 07:36:52 SEAB 0.0095 50 07:36:52 SSGI 0.0095 50 11:35:18 FRAN 0.0095 50 11:42:37 TDCM 0.0100 50 07:36:52 VNDM 0.0100 50 07:36:52 SBSH 0.0100 50 07:36:52 PERT 0.0100 50 07:36:52 VERT 0.0100 50 07:36:52 HDSN 0.0100 50 11:32:43 HILL 0.0100 50 11:50:08
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by traderofcents: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by rimasco: Printed 4 mill at 01
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- There were two trades, totalling approx. 15 mil. So caled my broker, those trades were cancelled right away! I also just talked w/Glenn * PAIV IR, does'nt know why sudden movement in stock.
I believe its called front running
Posted by PCola77 on :
You still holding? Currently at HOD and trying for about the 5th time to break through .0117
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: Im gonna "BORROW" JUice's recipe and let the free shares rideeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by Hitman on :
Can u guys share some info on this stock Pr/Ect. I'm interested by reading ur posts.... will buy 2moro if i can get some info on why this stock is a good pick.... thanks Ron,,,, JB Hunt otr trk driver...... Don t get to the web often but like this mesage board.... Made money on Xkem with it and Aslo CHDT.... Thanks for your reply.
Posted by Chad on :
im lovin PAIV. I was one of those JPHC memebers and everyone bashed us. But, with merger rate they gave and price its at now, im up like 800%, however I cant sell for almost 2 more yrs. lol Just hope it keeps going up in that time. According to the exchange, I should own over 7.5 million shares of this. so thats good.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
I'm with you Chad. I am at 400% + and still rising. I rode through the bashing and hopefully will be rewarded for it.
Posted by motorhead on :
Wish I had rode through, running good this morning.
Posted by nomed on :
Up 20% for a few days in a row... keep rollin! Posted by PCola77 on :
Here's my quick take on the whole thing. Read this thread for more detail:
Anyway, a company called Jupiter Capital Company was trading at around .0002-.0003 when rumors started flying that they were a merger candidate. The price went up to about .0014 amidst these rumors. When the merger news came out, people were disappointed that the merger company wasn't a big company, and that the merger price of .005 wasn't as good of a deal as it seemed due to the fact that the shares would be restricted after the merger.
So there was a mass sell-off leading up to the merger, and the price ended up at .0002 when trading of JPHC ceased. Some people took their loss and moved on, others (like myself) decided to ride it out to see what would happen. I was in for an average price of .0010 of JPHC, which would be a 500% "gain" if we could sell our shares in the new company, PAIV.
The day after the merger, something got really screwed up somewhere, and Ameritrade allowed all of the previous JPHC holders to sell their PAIV shares, even though they were supposed to be restricted.
All of a sudden, the market for PAIV, which was supposed to have a float of around 26 million shares, traded a few hundred million shares that didn't really exist, and the price plummeted from around a penny to .001 as people rushed to dump their shares, assuming they were not really restricted, and not wanting to be the one left holding shares that no one would want to buy with all of the dilution.
Well then rumors started flying around that shareholders would be responsible to buy back the shares tha tthey had essentially "short sold" since they couldn't really sell their merger shares since they were restricted. The price went back up to around .011 as people bought like crazy to either cover their "short" position, or under the assumption that there would be a massive short squeeze that would push the price well higher than it's initial levels.
After some time people began to take their profits, and the excitement faded when the proce didn't immediately rush up into the dollar range. People got tired of holding and the price slowly dropped into the loe .005s and high .004s.
Then last week it started to slowly rise again, and then exploded this week.
Some theorize that here really is a short squeeze, and that MMs were trying to shake out as many people as they could to get shares, but now the sellers are drying up and the price is rising quickly due to the decreased supply.
Some otehrs bought simply because they liked the chart.
I have no idea what to think, though I lean towards the first one, since it seems like they HAVE to buy back the shares that were incorrectly sold to get the float back to where it should be, but really, I have no idea if that's true.
So that's about all I can tell you at this point.
quote:Originally posted by Hitman: Can u guys share some info on this stock Pr/Ect. I'm interested by reading ur posts.... will buy 2moro if i can get some info on why this stock is a good pick.... thanks Ron,,,, JB Hunt otr trk driver...... Don t get to the web often but like this mesage board.... Made money on Xkem with it and Aslo CHDT.... Thanks for your reply.
Posted by I_Pick_Pennies on :
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... dang it. I had this stock since May, and I sold it yesterday at .0105
why is it moving now?
Posted by PCola77 on :
About to hit 2 cents. I think it's become fairly obvious that SOMETHING is going on. I wonder if we'll ever find out what that something is...
Posted by POOLBOY on :
Just found out from scottrade that people are having to buy back shares and the company is about to release some good news, for the people that didnt sell off their shares.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Woohoo!!! I made over 2k dollars on PAIV shares when all that crap was going on. Thanks PAIV. I have been there and played her but those of you still in are safe IMHO! PAIV will turn out to be a great company.
Good luck and always remember to protect your capital!!!
Posted by GSilk316 on :
quote:Originally posted by POOLBOY: Just found out from scottrade that people are having to buy back shares and the company is about to release some good news, for the people that didnt sell off their shares.
Maybe there will be no restriction. Wouldn't that be nice.
Posted by POOLBOY on :
This just gets better and better. This is going to rise for days!!!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Which company is going to release good news? PAIV or Scottrade?
quote:Originally posted by POOLBOY: Just found out from scottrade that people are having to buy back shares and the company is about to release some good news, for the people that didnt sell off their shares.
Posted by db on :
people bashed this stock hard in the past but I kept the faith ( which at times was hard to do) now this is going to go way up!!!!!
This price increase really could be because Nss have to cover ha! ha! ha! screw them! they can't cover not enough shares ha! ha!!
This could go past .05 and beyond
IMO
Posted by PCola77 on :
Can't really blame people for taking profits here.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
the question is where will the stock price be in a year when we can sell.
Posted by cowlowski on :
Has anyones jphc shares changed over to paiv. I have scottrade and it still shows the jphc# symbol and no price with the original number of jphc shares.
Posted by POOLBOY on :
Look at the amount of big buys there are. Man the MM's are going to have to squeeze real hard to pull this off.
Posted by PCola77 on :
My honest opinion is that no one who bought JPHC and held is going to make much, if anything when all is said and done.
I bought at .0010 and was thinking that all PAIV woul dhave to do was keep from going down 80% in the next year and I would make money.
However, on the day the shares flooded the market prematurely, the price tumbled over 90%. I foresee the same thing happenening whenever the shares are finally allowed to be traded. I sincerely hope that I am wrong, as I now have close to $100,000 worth of PAIV, but I'm thinking when all is said and done I'd be lucky to get my initial investment back.
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: the question is where will the stock price be in a year when we can sell.
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
quote:Originally posted by cowlowski: Has anyones jphc shares changed over to paiv. I have scottrade and it still shows the jphc# symbol and no price with the original number of jphc shares.
scottrade will no longer trade them..thankfully I only had a few hundred bucks worth..call Scottrade and ask them to get the scoop on it...
Posted by db on :
AMERITRADE illegally sold restricted shares and have to cover
Scottrade never allowed the sale of restricted PAIV shares
PAIV has been on the SHO list for awhile now
Posted by db on :
Scottrade will let you buy and sell unrestricted shares of PAIV
Posted by PCola77 on :
I called Scottrade the other day and they said something to the effect that they're not doing anything until they have the proper paperwork in their hands, and that should be sometime in the near future, with no clarification on what that means.
quote:Originally posted by cowlowski: Has anyones jphc shares changed over to paiv. I have scottrade and it still shows the jphc# symbol and no price with the original number of jphc shares.
Posted by rimasco on :
YAAAAAWWWWWWWNNN.....just woke up. +38% NICEEEEEEE
Posted by POOLBOY on :
I have scottrade and have bought and sold the past couple of days, no problems with them. I was told at scottrade that this is going to climb for awhile because of the amount of shares sold off. Ameritrade is going to try and make the people that sold off their shares pay for it, but i dont see that happening. Good luck to all who is buying this, this is about the only one out there.
Posted by NEL on :
I entered my restricted shares in my watch list to watch their future value, now at over $14,000 hope this holds up or gets even better
Posted by GSilk316 on :
With the restriction on this stock, is it restricted from the day of the merger or whenever everything gets finalized?
Posted by PCola77 on :
I am proof that your second point isn't exactly true. I called them the day the shares were sold by Ameritrade and thy said I could sell them if I wanted to, but I would be responsible if something changed in the merger agreement. I sold them at .001 or so, and then they told me that I'd have to buy them back when they got official word on the restirction. I bought them back at an average of .0018, costing me a few thousand dollars on top of the money I lost on JPHC. Those were a fun few days. Fortunately I bought more than I needed to cover, so I made a decent amount back when it ran up to .01. I'm still down in the whole fiasco though.
quote:Originally posted by db: AMERITRADE illegally sold restricted shares and have to cover
Scottrade never allowed the sale of restricted PAIV shares
PAIV has been on the SHO list for awhile now
Posted by PCola77 on :
I asked this question specifically when I called PAIV one time. I forget the exact answer, but something like the restriction is from the time the TA delivers the certificates. I don't know if that has happened yet or what.
quote:Originally posted by GSilk316: With the restriction on this stock, is it restricted from the day of the merger or whenever everything gets finalized?
Posted by POOLBOY on :
This thing could run to .03 in the next couple of days. Hang on to what u got!!!
Posted by db on :
PCola77, I called Scottrade the first day shares were being sold by ameritrade and was told they were restricted and I was unable to sell and if they would have let me I would have thankfully I couldn't - to me if scottrade allowed you to sell you shouldn't have had to buy them back at a higher price ouch! maybe you should have filed a complaint
Posted by PCola77 on :
I did call and "complain" to the guys at the local brach, and then they gave me the number for their compliance department. They said that they were covered because he explicitly told me that I would be responsible.
I don't doubt that I could fight and win, since they basically allowed me to short a stock, which I, as an individual investor, can't do.
My personality won't let me do it though, since I knew the risk I was taking. Same reason I've never fought a speeding ticket even though I am sure most of mine would have been at least reduced.
quote:Originally posted by db: PCola77, I called Scottrade the first day shares were being sold by ameritrade and was told they were restricted and I was unable to sell and if they would have let me I would have thankfully I couldn't - to me if scottrade allowed you to sell you shouldn't have had to buy them back at a higher price ouch! maybe you should have filed a complaint
Posted by Hannibull on :
Im not sure if this question has been asked before, but I'm still showing JPHC shares in my Ameritrade account, does anyone with TDA have their PAIV shares? Will they be converted automatically or do I have to do something
Posted by MollysMillions on :
I have Ameritrade and called yesterday. I was told there isn't anything I have to do right now, Ameritrade is taking care of it for now. They are in the process of doing something with the paperwork to obtain the certificates for PAIV. When the process is complete, PAIV will show up in my account with the proper number of shares, but with a zero value attached, since they cannot yet be traded. When the shares become tradable THEN I will have to fill out an application. Sorry, I don't remember the specifics here, but I know I can't sell any of my restricted shares until paperwork is done on my end, AND there is a fee involved. I believe it was around $260.00, but it may have been in the $300's. ( I never asked if this was a flat fee, or if it was based on a percentage.)
Posted by McFly on :
I sent an email to Ameritrade about who has to do what to get the change from JPHC to PAIV and here is the reply I'll paste it:
At this time, holdings of the former Jupiter Global Holdings are represented by a non-negotiable contra position pending the delivery of the restricted shares due. This position is indicated in your account as N/A. TD AMERITRADE has not received the restricted shares of PAIV to post to your account at this time. An anticipated payable date is currently not available. The DTC (Depository Trust Company) is currently working with the agent of the company on receiving this distribution. Once TD AMERITRADE receives the allocation and instruction to pay shareholders, entitled accounts will be updated to reflect the distribution. We appreciate your patience.
Laurie W. Reorganization and Safekeeping, TD AMERITRADE Division of TD AMERITRADE, Inc.
Posted by Hannibull on :
thanks!
Mollys, $260/300? that is an insanely high cost!
Posted by nomed on :
HUMMMMMMM? Wonder where my buddy Repoman75 is... said this stock was ganna tank.. HA HA Wrong again repo!!
Posted by ArmySGT on :
Im loving it, hope it keeps up, anyone know why its going up at least 40% in the last couple of days? I can't really find any news.
Posted by Chad on :
hang in there PCola....i have a feeling couple years down the road, PAIV will be twice as much as now and we will sell our shares and make the hundreds of thousands!
keep the faith!
Posted by Chad on :
Only thing I regret is I sold half my shares of JPHC to have extra money to spend and took 50% loss from whr I bought at. Another 7.5 million shares of PAIV would be really, really nice right now. lol
Posted by PCola77 on :
Wow, that is certainly optomistic of you. I tend to be an optomist but I just can't see that scenario playing out. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I'd be happy to be able to get 1/2 of my $10,000 back in a year. Any more than that and I'll be thrilled. Selling for a few hundred thousand, well, I'd be doing some backflips.
quote:Originally posted by Chad: hang in there PCola....i have a feeling couple years down the road, PAIV will be twice as much as now and we will sell our shares and make the hundreds of thousands!
keep the faith!
Posted by nomed on :
Bid & ask back to .0275 x .028... god i love this!! Posted by NomarKash on :
i love being stuck in a stock that grows 50% per day. come a year or two when i can actually sell this thing it will probably have split 3 times and be a triple zero stock.
Posted by Chad on :
well Pcola, i look at it this way...it gng for .03 now. if it could just stay at that level 2 yrs ltr....that would be over 200G for me. The only reason I bought JPHC when it was at.0006 was cause I knew we'd make 100's% gain right from the getgo of merger. Like you, I figured it'd have to tank for me to lose money. But so far, its doing way better then i thought.
This may just be that nestegg I've always wanted if our stock firms can just get the stock tranferred already!
My 2 regrets: selling half of those JPHC shares I had and not buying more at .0003 when I couldve. not doing one and doing the other may have given me an extra 10 to 15 million more shares of PAIV. Now that wouldve been retirement there!
Posted by Chad on :
PS, I meant striving for .03. lol
Posted by ArmySGT on :
and i thought last week was a bad week, heck it was compared to the beautiful recovery!!! so far 4 bagger WOOT WOOT, nothing like a good workout and coming back to seeing GREEN $$$ I love you PAIV! hahaha
Posted by sportsguy on :
By the time I finally get my PAIV shares from JPHC merger, this will be back well under .01... LOL
Posted by PCola77 on :
You're missing a very important point, I think. Right now there are supposed to be 56 million shares of PAIV. When the shares that you and I own become unrestricted, there will suddenly be hundreds of millions more. Simple supply and demand will cause the price to drop significantly, and just formulaically you would thnk that if it was trading at 2 cents with 56 million shares it would be trading at .2 cents if there are 560 million shares, just like a forward split. However, I think that so many people will try to sell on that first day that the price will go significantly lower than the actual value.
Again, I hope that I am wrong, but I think you are setting yourself up for a huge heartbreak if you really think this merger will make you hundreds of thousands of dollars. In my opinion the only people who will make money on this stock are the people who bought PAIV shares AFTER the merger and are flipping them now.
quote:Originally posted by Chad: well Pcola, i look at it this way...it gng for .03 now. if it could just stay at that level 2 yrs ltr....that would be over 200G for me. The only reason I bought JPHC when it was at.0006 was cause I knew we'd make 100's% gain right from the getgo of merger. Like you, I figured it'd have to tank for me to lose money. But so far, its doing way better then i thought.
This may just be that nestegg I've always wanted if our stock firms can just get the stock tranferred already!
My 2 regrets: selling half of those JPHC shares I had and not buying more at .0003 when I couldve. not doing one and doing the other may have given me an extra 10 to 15 million more shares of PAIV. Now that wouldve been retirement there!
Posted by GSilk316 on :
quote:Originally posted by sportsguy: By the time I finally get my PAIV shares from JPHC merger, this will be back well under .01... LOL
I'm pretty sure as long as everyone makes there money back plus a little more they will be happy. I know I will be.
Posted by Chad on :
true,true PCola. ur right. Im sure all JPHC owners will sell on day 1 and it will drop in price, just hope we are lucky to sell before it drops to far. I guess Im just happy to see PAIV at this level! I guess If I wasnt such an idiot I wouldve bought Paiv before its run here and made money with others. lol
Posted by PCola77 on :
In my opinion the best hope that we have is that the price goes up enough between now and then that even a 95%+ drop in price still puts us ahead. I think the formula is, take the price you paid for JPHC, divide it by .462 (final conversion rate) and that's what you'd need to sell you PAIV for to break even. In my case I would need to sell my PAIV for more than .022 (paid an average of about .0010 for my JPHC shares). Meaning that the price could drop 92% from it's current .0275 level and I'd get my $10,000 back.
If the PAIV price goes up to, say .50, I could "withstand" a 99.5% price drop.
The higher PAIV is when the shares become unrestricted, the better for us.
I'm with you in being hopeful, but I just like to show both sides.
Good luck to both of us.
C'mon PAIV!
quote:Originally posted by Chad: true,true PCola. ur right. Im sure all JPHC owners will sell on day 1 and it will drop in price, just hope we are lucky to sell before it drops to far. I guess Im just happy to see PAIV at this level! I guess If I wasnt such an idiot I wouldve bought Paiv before its run here and made money with others. lol
Posted by db on :
If someone bought JPHC at .0003 this stock would have to really tank after the restriction is lifted to at least not break even.
Also, I believe that if some people who followed this stock through the merger had of looked at the possibilities of PAIV unrestricted shares instead of bashing the crap out of it,they would be making alot of money now.
PAIV must know about the probabiliy of massive sell offs of shares when the restriction is lifted in the next 1 - 2 yrs. they don't want the pps to go to .0001 they have a vested interest in this! They have 10 mo. to prepare.
Posted by db on :
PCOLA77 I'm thinking , hoping etc. that you will get all your money back and a bunch more!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Me too. It's nice to see $130,000 in my account, even though it's not really real at this point. Would LOVE to see half of that in a year or two. At this point I've pretty much written it off as a loss, so really I'll be happy with anything.
quote:Originally posted by db: PCOLA77 I'm thinking , hoping etc. that you will get all your money back and a bunch more!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Just hit a new high of .0285.
Posted by db on :
wow! .0294 going over .03 today?
higher! higher!
Posted by NomarKash on :
hello 3 cents.
Posted by traderofcents on :
Does anyone know if all of the restricted shares that were sold short couple months back, have been covered yet? If they have not been covered, this could go alot higher!
Posted by tonicma on :
I bought 40million shares of this stock when the rumour spread about the "mistake" that shareholders had by selling naked shorts.
I am fen rich on this stock. but I am not selling because it will keep on going up and up.
Posted by traderofcents on :
Good call, tonicma! You control more than the float! The float is 27 million Approx, just rechecked on Yahoo Finance. Do you still own all 40 mill?
Posted by sportsguy on :
I can't believe this is still going up. Man, I wish I wouldn't have missed the boat on this one.
Posted by db on :
is it true TDAMERITRADE has stopped allowing people to buy PAIV now you can only sell?
Posted by tonicma on :
Yeap, I know I control more than the float. I bet there are others like me who control the float.
That is why I am not selling until this reaches 10 cents, than I'll let about 25% of my holdings out.
Posted by tonicma on :
Also, good thing I am in Canada and using Action Direct, although I dont' get the fancy technical charts and level 2 stuff like TDATrade, I dont' get any of the BS from Etrade or ATrade.
When they halt trading etc etc. I was alwasy able to buy buy or sell sell.
Posted by tonicma on :
I also bought 100mil of PAIM, EXACT same thing as paiv, sold more than allowed.
Also, think its coincidenc that paim and paiv is only one letter different.
And also NEW HOD AND EOD RUN WITH GAP UP TOMORROW TO 10 CENTS
Posted by tonicma on :
NEW hod AGAIN,
Can you say eod RUN gap up tomorrow 10 cents eod.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
tonicma, .10? come on now, your taking a high risk thinking paiv will hit .10 tomorrow without any pullback
Posted by Batman on :
What's making this run?
Posted by tonicma on :
remember I own 40 million shares, and also at this rate we are going to have eod run to 4 to 5 cents.
Posted by tonicma on :
Batman, its called a short sqeeze.
Now a month ago, this thing was at 0.0007ish because people sold "restricted shares".
Now they have to buy it back up
BUT looky
the os is ONLy about 27million or so but on that 2 days it traded almost over 1 billion shares.
See what I mean, short sqeeze at its best.
Posted by pepsiman on :
hey, tonicma can you elaborate on the comment u made about paim being over bought
Posted by yayplaya on :
tonicma, you have $1.5mil worth of paiv?? what was your original investment?
Posted by tonicma on :
.37
OHHHHHHHH, like I said eod run to 5 cents now is likely, gap up and up to 10 cents.
Posted by tonicma on :
about $35000
Posted by yayplaya on :
i tried buying paiv thismorning at around .025 through ameritrade and it wouldnt let me...whats the story with the restriction?
Posted by pepsiman on :
tonicma, i'm very interested in knowing more about paim
Posted by tonicma on :
pepsiman, I am not going to elaborate on it,
BUT apparently fomr what I heard on this broad on May 19th that shareholders that got PAIV as a divi sold them BUT these shares were RESTRICTED.
I think it was Atrade who Fdup big time and made amistake.
BUT it was TOOO LATe ince on 18 ant 19 of MAY almost 1 billion or more traded hands.
And due to this, this is the short squeeze I have been waiting for.
I knew peole HAD to cover those shorts somehow since the o/s on PAIV is ONLY 27 MILLION
you do that math on how much times this was shorted.
Posted by tonicma on :
well 4 cents just hit
I say eod run can move this to 5 cent if not more
WAIT .044 i say 6 cents by eod
1.5 hours to go
A lot of time left.
Posted by tonicma on :
pepsiman you mean PAIM.
Well, PAIM apparent had a simialr problem yesterday were you could ONLY swell 10% of your shares but apparently people sold ALL their restricted stocks.
AGAIN must buy back eventually.
Posted by pepsiman on :
ya I know all about the paiv messup, but I was not aware that paim was or is in the same boat. I've aready screwed up on paiv last week with a sale to get into something else.(BIG MISTAKE!)but I'm still in paim and don't want to make the same mistake again.
Posted by Batman on :
What time do you think the EOD run gonna start?
Posted by permanentjaun on :
I'd say this is it. Wow. Congrats guys
Posted by tonicma on :
I say we hit 5 cents and go over it at eod run.
Posted by tonicma on :
Batman, can't say but eod run usually over 30 minutes before close of market
Posted by tonicma on :
OHHHH, 5 cents already hit,
I say we hit 6 cents by eod than gap up and run to 10 if not more
Posted by stocks1984 on :
tonicma sorry i doubted your call, but man impressive, and you really see this gapping another 100 percent tomorrow?
Posted by CRab on :
gapping then running again? or gapping and dropping to a lower level...something like what we are seeing now?
Posted by tonicma on :
well not GAP 100% but I do see it going to 10 cents tomorrow based on teh sheer amount of momentum this stock has.
Posted by permanentjaun on :
Really wish stockfetcher.com had this one in their database. It didn't come up on any of my scans and this is exactly what my scans are looking for. Oiy.
Posted by tonicma on :
I say we will gap up and hit 10 cent depending on where we close.
At this rate I say we close at 6 if not higher.
This is the fist wave of 3 wave short sqeeze.
historically, these type of runs usually have 3 run up days.
Yesterday was the start so tomorrow we have another run day, I will sell tomorrow some since its friday with potential sell off.
But whatever, I see the short sqeeze continuing in the long run.
Posted by tonicma on :
Remember they have to cover well over 1 billion shares, and the fact that its running now suggest they could not hold it anymore and MUST cover.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
but look at the chart, way!! overbought.
Posted by CRab on :
I'm curious why now? Didn't this happen a while back? Why is it so urgent now?
Posted by stocks1984 on :
by the way PAIM is getting a lot of buys at the ask. Is this suppose to take off as well?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Could be that Ameritrade was trying to get around it somehow and a final decision was just now made. We'll probably never know. But obviously SOMETHING is going on. It's up almost 1000% since last Friday with virtually no pullbacks.
quote:Originally posted by CRab: I'm curious why now? Didn't this happen a while back? Why is it so urgent now?
Posted by tonicma on :
stock1984, THUS the beauty of this, its called "forced short squeeze".
The fact that its overbougth but keeps on going means buy buy buy buy buy.
Posted by ScottP on :
I got in * .032 about an hour and a half ago with Scottrade and had no problems.
Posted by CRab on :
oh i know it's happening alright...i was just curious if i missed something someone stated earlier as a cause...
Posted by CRab on :
seems to be bouncing here a bit...
Posted by tonicma on :
this thread is new, thre used to be an older paiv thread that explains all the chaos around those 2 days. It was insane, people were freaking out etc etc.
Posted by tonicma on :
Its called a shake before eod.
Shake shake shake
Posted by db on :
MM's tried to help TDA with thier problem - but now it's every MM for himself lol!
Posted by tonicma on :
I smell blood in the street.
Posted by db on :
anybody with L2's?
Posted by db on :
wheres the party going to be after this is all over?
Posted by yayplaya on :
bid .045x1 .044x2 .043x1 .0425x1 .04x1
ask .0455x2 .046x1 .047x2 .05x3
Posted by PCola77 on :
Tonicma, you gonna buy us all something nice for being here with you?
Posted by db on :
thanx yay
Posted by db on :
if this goes to .50 Tonicma won't need us he'll have plenty of friends lol!
Posted by db on :
look at all the mirror trades
Posted by tonicma on :
ok, let see what the next 20 minutes does for this stock.
Posted by PCola77 on :
I just sold half of my 300K shares. It was hard, with the upside potential, but with closing on a new house in a month, I needed to make sure to lock in some of it.
C'mon PAIV!!!!
Posted by db on :
pcola77 nothing wrong with selling at these kind of profits!!! congrats no matter what happens your a winner now
Posted by apstock on :
sorry everyone i seem to have that trend on stock i buy they go down wanted to buy at 11 but my PDA wouldnt let me wanted to get in for a run tommorow. got in at .047
Posted by rimasco on :
I think i deserve some stars for calling this one out at 0056
Posted by McFly on :
Can someone post what the closing prise is at when its done today? thanks
Posted by apstock on :
where does everyone see this going tommorow?
Posted by pepsiman on :
tonima, I read pinksheets info on paim do you think the smae thing is going to happen to them as what is happing to paiv?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
wish i could unload my old jphc shares at this wonderful price , good call rim u got 5 stars from me
Posted by rimasco on :
thanx beard....i gave you 5 months ago when i realized what a good judge of character to were Posted by toad wallstreet on :
How long are those jphc shares restricted for???
ughhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
1 year from when the paper work gets done Posted by Hitman on :
Can anyone explain (Concerning the merger) what is meant by Jupiter Shareholders will get 0.46232 of a share of Parvis stock..... the former Jupiterglobal.net website is still up, but I dont comprehend what .046232 of a share means. Any help would be appreciated
Posted by Karma Earl on :
It just means that for every 1 share of JPHC you were holding before the merger you will get .46232 of a share of PAIV. So, if you held 1 million JPHC - you will get 462320 shares of PAIV.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Not sure why the website is still up. I know when they announced the merger - JPHC was being merged in to APOA but they were going to use JPHC symbol. It was real confusing. Maybe that's why they went with a new symbol all together.
Posted by PCola77 on :
This was far and away my best ever trade, money wise. Put in $2K at .0061 and cashed out around half today for 604% gain. Even if the rest go to 0 I am still up ilke $3,000.
I'm very pleased.
quote:Originally posted by db: pcola77 nothing wrong with selling at these kind of profits!!! congrats no matter what happens your a winner now
Posted by Hannibull on :
this is amazing. at the last trading day of JPHC, $300 bought you 1 million JPHC shares, that is 462,320 shares of PAIV, which is worth +$23k. from 300 to 23,000...wow
If only those could be traded without the share price going down lol. I wonder how low it would go once all people started selling their restricted stock.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Well, it dropped to .0008 the day the shares wee incorrectly able to be sold. And it bounced quickly when peole started to realize the potential short squeeze. Could drop to that or lower realistically. Hopefully the proce will be high enough when the shares are unrestricted that they won't fall that far, but I wouldn't count on being rich come unrestriction time. (Although we can all dream )
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: this is amazing. at the last trading day of JPHC, $300 bought you 1 million JPHC shares, that is 462,320 shares of PAIV, which is worth +$23k. from 300 to 23,000...wow
If only those could be traded without the share price going down lol. I wonder how low it would go once all people started selling their restricted stock.
Posted by pay up on :
quote:Originally posted by toad wallstreet: How long are those jphc shares restricted for???
ughhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The restriction is actually 2 years. However you can have the restriction lifted after 1 year but that is only for 90 days and then after 2 years you request it to be lifted again and then it will stay unrestricted. You have to pay to have the restriction lifted. Something like $60.00, both times.
Posted by ArmySGT on :
where does everyone see this go tomorrow? Tick says its down.
Posted by ArmySGT on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: I think i deserve some stars for calling this one out at 0056
you get 5 stars from me
Posted by Monalizaf on :
5 stars from me. Way to go. thanks Posted by rimasco on :
Thanx guys.....right back at ya
Posted by CRab on :
???
Posted by stocks1984 on :
ton, tell me what were your predictions for today again? lol .10? I'm just jokking with you.
Posted by PCola77 on :
My level 2 is not working for PAIV, anyone else having the same problem?
Posted by stocks1984 on :
all i can say is its down 31 percent
Posted by CRab on :
and why is this happening again?
Posted by madmoney on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: My level 2 is not working for PAIV, anyone else having the same problem?
same here, who do you have I have alphatrade.
Posted by tonicma on :
Its down because I sold some this morning at "market" value. To cover my initial investment and make some more money
Posted by PCola77 on :
Same.
I'd love to buy more on this dip, but without level 2 I'm scared It's my security blanket.
quote:Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: My level 2 is not working for PAIV, anyone else having the same problem?
same here, who do you have I have alphatrade.
Posted by CRab on :
nevermind...
Posted by PCola77 on :
By the way, tonicma, I was just wondering if i had your story right.
You bought $35,000 worth at the lowest price this has ever been, watched it go up from .0008 to .013 for a 1600% gain but didn't sell any. Then watched it fall all the way back to .004 and still held strong. And now that it went up into the 4 cent range, you sold at the highest it's ever been?
You must be the best trader ever!
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: Its down because I sold some this morning at "market" value. To cover my initial investment and make some more money
Posted by db on :
shake, profit taking, friday, and here we go back up!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Woo hoo, level 2 is back and I'm in for 100,000 at .035
Posted by CRab on :
it's looking good then on the L2's?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Actually, doesn't really look good or bad to me, but if I can't awtch it to see if it starts to look bad I get too nervous.
quote:Originally posted by CRab: it's looking good then on the L2's?
Posted by nomed on :
Seems to have hit a base at .035...just hope we spring up. I still made a profit, so I can't complain. Posted by CRab on :
so this is done now right? jeesh...my timimg couldn't be worse if it was intentional...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Looks like it may run again here, big orders just went through at .038 and the bid is stakcing quickly at .037
May touch .04 again soon.
Posted by PCola77 on :
What did you get in at?
quote:Originally posted by CRab: so this is done now right? jeesh...my timimg couldn't be worse if it was intentional...
Posted by nomed on :
Movin back up... well tryin to anyway.
Posted by CRab on :
ha...averaged a .043
whoops...looking at the wrong stock there, lol...
Posted by tonicma on :
PCola, I knew they had to cover all these trades. So I took a huge risk and it worked. and even though it went down do 0.004, I bought at average of 0.0008 so I'm still good.
Also, do you remember USXP and what happened to it. Well I learned a lesson from that
Posted by CRab on :
so why did this dry up all of the sudden this morning? no one really had anything to say about that?
Posted by bowlegtroy on :
RSI at 95 yesterday. Chart says a pullback is necessary.
Looks like it may bounce off the RSI 70 again, though.
Other possible reasons: - Rumors of news that have not yet surfaced - Friday (profit takers who don't want to hold over the weekend)
I'm sure there could be other reasons, but those are a few biggies. Personally, I think most folks need to see a pullback on the chart before continuing.
From what I know about charting: If it holds the 13 dma, then this is still a hold. Although, taking profits before waiting for chart confirmations is NEVER a bad thing. If not, look for the next ma point (20 or 22 dma) to hold.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Well I just bailed. Took a small loss on the 100K I bought today, but I'm gonna wait to see how it plays out a bit more before jumping back in. Good luck to all of you.
Posted by db on :
MM's playing thier game , maybe people selling off gives TDA some time to drive the price down to get some cheaper shares and get back some control over the massive gains on pps.
my SWAG (scientific wild ass guess) is that we may reach at or near previous close with steady gains next week. (always hope it goes higher!)
still holding for .10 or more
Posted by PCola77 on :
My guess is this:
There will be a slow steady decline in price as people begin to lose interest and sell to move on to the next big thing. Evetually there will be another wave where people think the short squeeze started again and the price will go up to levels far above the recent .05 high. I'm willing to wait a bit and will try to get back in closer to a penny in a few weeks. As a holder of restricted shares, I'm still hoping taht I am wrong and the price continues its upward ascent, but realistically I am thinking there's more downside coming before the next upswing.
quote:Originally posted by db: MM's playing thier game , maybe people selling off gives TDA some time to drive the price down to get some cheaper shares and get back some control over the massive gains on pps.
my SWAG (scientific wild ass guess) is that we may reach at or near previous close with steady gains next week. (always hope it goes higher!)
still holding for .10 or more
Posted by Karma Earl on :
It would really be nice if the company came out with some news. Also, if they were to say on such and such date your restricted stock will be available for trading. I guess that's to much to ask though. Everyone have a great weekend.
Posted by same on :
Very Important about Brokers and Paiv Shares
I talked three hours today to the Paiv Transfer Agent at Phone #1- 303-783-9055 and to Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900. This is what I found out.
I would first suggest that you find out the phone number of your broker’s Compliance Dept as I did and call them to request your Paiv Restricted Shares be sent to you in your name to your home address.
You must do this otherwise the Brokerages will not do anything to help you. They are out to help themselves... The Transfer Agent and the Company Paiv have done everything they can do, it’s the Brokerages that are not cooperating because they shorted JPHC and Paiv., they got greedy and are now caught in that greed, it is up to the Shereholders of JPHC to start complaining to their Brokerage Compliance Dept. that serves him or her. You as a client signed an agreement with your Brokerage Firm and have every right to do this. The Brokerages have been telling everyone different stories to buy time because they are making huge money from shorting JPHC and PAIV.
This is what I found out today July 14, 2006 about Scottrade who is my broker about my JPHC Shares. Now remember other Brokerages are doing the same thing .This is in three Parts A, B and C.
Part A
All of our JPHC Shares were held in CEDE&CO. All of out JPHC Shares were sent to the PAIV Transfer Agent by CEDE&CO.
The Transfer Agent has all the names and share totals for all JPHC shareholders that were sent to them by CEDE&CO.
This was done two months ago. The Transfer Agent faxed all Brokerages two months ago with detailed instructions for the Brokerages to follow.so that the JPHC shares could be converted to PAIV restricted Shares and sent to the owners of those Paiv Restricted Shares at their home address.
The Transfer Agent asked for the Name, Address, Social Securtity number and the amount of JPHC Shares held in the clients account.
Now how hard is this to do, it is all done electronically.
The Transfer Agent right now has all the PAIV Restricted Shares ready to be mailed out to us at our home addresses.
So why would the Brokerages not do what the Transfer Asked them to do. This is why.
Part B
I found this out while talking to the Transfer Agent, The Transfer Agent added up all the JPHC Shares that CEDE&CO sent them.
There was a HUGE Discrepency in the total JPHC share count that CEDE&CO sent to the Transfer Agent compared to what the Brokerage Participents Share Count.stated.
Why? Because a large number of brokers loaned out JPHC Shares to other participants to cover short sales which caused the huge share price drop in Paiv which caused the huge share number difference in what CEDE&CO sent the Transfer Agent compared to the Brokerage Participants JPHC totals.
For Scottrade my Broker they loaned JPHC Shares to Merill Lynch.
Other Brokerages did the same thing with many different brokerage Firms.
For Scottrade to correct this situation they have to demand the return of all the JPHC Shares from Merill Lynch or Scottrade has to buy in Merill Lynch based on the original transaction with merill Lynch.
This is what Scottrade is trying to get out of and why they along with other brokerage firms are not cooperating with the Transfer Agentfor PAIV.
The Brokerages also want to keep your PAIV Restricted Shares in their own Vault. Why? So when the restriction is lifted they can short the shares and start this process all over again.
They can not do this if you have the Shares in your name held by you. Here is the PAIV Press release for June29, 2006 stating the procedure for the Brokers to follow. I called my Broker Scottrade on June 30, 2006 and was told everything would be taken care of by Scottade and they knew of the Press release issued by Paiv. I called again on July 13, 2006 and was told that my JPHC shares were sent to the T/A and that within 5 days i should have my Paiv shares. I called again on july 14, 2006 and was told by numerous parties that Compliance was aware of the situation and working on it. I asked for the Compliance Dept number and received another story. I then called the Transfer Agent along with Loyola. The Transfer Agent talked to Scottrade and gave them specific Instrutions for the second time. These conversations took 3 hours. Press Release June 29, 2006 Paiv. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060629/0140620.html
PartC
This is what I was advised to do after tallking to the Transfer Agent of Paiv phone # 1-303-783-9055 and the Investor Relation firm Loyola used for Paiv phone # 1-702-317-2300.
I also found out there will be a fee of $25.00 per Cert. If you have two accounts it is $50.00.
By all means call numbers I listed above and ask your own Questions. Use my post for a reference and remember the Broker is out for themselves and making money, expect to be told stories by all the Brokerage firms involved in this fiascal and remember demand your Paiv Restricted Shares sent to your address in your name.
So with this information I found out today and on the advice I was given I called Scottrade Compliance Dept and left a message that I as a Scottrade Clinent and shareholder of JPHC shares will file an SEC Compaint against Scottrade for their refusal in cooperating with the above parties mentioned in giving me my Paiv Restricted Shares that I am entitled to mailed to my home address in my name.. I stated that if I did not have my Restricted Paiv shares within 10 days from today July 14, 2006 I would begin my SEC Complaint. against Scottrade, I will also file a Complaint with
Expect a song and dance from your Brokers saying that Latimere and DTC are involved. Do not fall for this and verify what I am posting here with the Paiv Transfer Agent..
Also I found out that the only way to stop Firms from Shorting Stock is for you the client to ask and sign an agreement with your Broker that they are not to loan your shares out. They will not tell you about this agreement you have to ask them for it. If they do loan your shares out you can sue them. Putting a Sell order above the price of a stock does not tie your shares up as some think it stops the firms from shorting.
I hope this helps and call your Compliance Dept right away.
Posted by db on :
fantastic post same - good job!
Posted by yolkarmy on :
if we are holding our shares via cert form.. how would we go about selling them after 1 year?
Posted by rickachiu on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: By the way, tonicma, I was just wondering if i had your story right.
You bought $35,000 worth at the lowest price this has ever been, watched it go up from .0008 to .013 for a 1600% gain but didn't sell any. Then watched it fall all the way back to .004 and still held strong. And now that it went up into the 4 cent range, you sold at the highest it's ever been?
You must be the best trader ever!
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: Its down because I sold some this morning at "market" value. To cover my initial investment and make some more money
Tonicma is a lier, he's always bragging about stocks buying stocks at the lowest level, even being able to buy stocks 1/100th of the current price.
Posted by bowlegtroy on :
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: if we are holding our shares via cert form.. how would we go about selling them after 1 year?
It's practically the same in reverse: You sell your shares, and send your certs to your broker. Who then transfers them to the new owner of your shares.
This is how trades used to occur. Remember all thoe TV shows where someone finds grandaddy's stock certificates in some company from 50 years ago and not their worth millions?
Well, that's ot too far from reality (Except for the millions part maybe). Those certs still exist on paper today for all stocks that trade on the open market or even restricted, preferred, etc. ALL stocks have this. And it is true that if you have certs in hand (instead of "held by your broker in electronic form"), they can't short them.
Why not? They have nothing to back them up with. I mean, if the company holds all the shares, they can loan them out, then request them back or wait until they are given back (the borrower sold them again). When a short happens and the brokerages have loaned them out, they must either cover their shorts, or ask for the loaned shares back. Think it's easy to ask for them back from hugantic firms like Meryll Lynch?? Try it with something small like the lawnmower you loaned your neighbor last year! Also, the business implications are huge: "We won't do business with ScotTrade anymore if they don't give us what we need"
If you hold actual stock certificates in your hand, well, there's no question about whether or not they are the "real" shares.
I remember the agreement with my broker. It distinctly stated that electronic shares vs. certificates mailed were an option. It also stated that there would be a fee for mailed certs, so I went with electronic. I can ask for actual paper certs any time, but that fee applies whenever I do ask for them. Suddenly $9.95 per trade seems to add up for the reasons why - electronic transactions only=no certs mailed.
So, if you pay the fee, that's cool and it will help in NSS YOUr shares (that's right, not everyone is going to have their shares mailed to them). Everyone would need to do the same in order to put the pressure on the brokers. That's nice, but not gonna happen in reality.
I owned PAIV after the change (and already sold) but am watching for further developments. Frida's pullback was small and indicates that there could be more in store here.
Ok, this novel is long enough!
HTH
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by rickachiu:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: By the way, tonicma, I was just wondering if i had your story right.
You bought $35,000 worth at the lowest price this has ever been, watched it go up from .0008 to .013 for a 1600% gain but didn't sell any. Then watched it fall all the way back to .004 and still held strong. And now that it went up into the 4 cent range, you sold at the highest it's ever been?
You must be the best trader ever!
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: Its down because I sold some this morning at "market" value. To cover my initial investment and make some more money
Tonicma is a lier, he's always bragging about stocks buying stocks at the lowest level, even being able to buy stocks 1/100th of the current price.
i don't think he/she is a liar , i have ridden tonicmas picks and made good cash Posted by same on :
On the Paiv restricted Shares
By: dallas66tx 03 Jul 2006, 05:40 PM EDT Msg. 7194 of 8809 Jump to msg. # News about the certs.
I spent about an hour and a half with both the TA and ATD trying to get things clarified concerning the certs. To make this as simple as possible I will do a Q&A type post.
Q. Do they know who the owners of record are?
A. PER THE TA...(Sandra) She has FINALLY received a verified listing of shareholders of record for both JPHC and APOA shareholders.
Q. What is the date of record for the restricted shares?
A. May 11, 2006 is the date of record for the start of the restriction.
Q. When will my broker account reflect my new PAIV RESTRICTED shares?
A. Your broker account WILL NOT REFLECT RESTRICTED PAIV SHARES.
Per the TA, the merger agreement dictated that all restricted shares were to be mailed directly to the shareholder of record and not the shareholders broker. The TA is currently in the process of contacting each broker for the official mailing address of each shareholder of record. Once the TA receives your personal mailing address from your broker, AND the cert they hold for YOUR JPHC shares, they will mail YOU a cert for your RESTRICTED PAIV shares. Per the TA, she said she hopes to have all PAIV RESTRICTED certs mailed out by end of July....pending cooporation of the brokers in forwarding your JPHC certs and personal mailing address. She also indicated she was receiving some resistance from ATD on this....imagine that.
Q. What is the cost for receiving my cert from the TA and what is the cost when I choose to sell the shares?
A. There is no cost to you to RECEIVE your certs for RESTRICTED PAIV shares. However, since these shares are governed under SEC rule 144, in order to sell shares between year one and year two, you will need to fill out a form requesting the restriction be removed. You will also be charged the following amount by the TA.
Total cost of $61 per the TA $40 to remove the restriction $20 to produce/mail new cert $1 to cancel old cert
If this is done between year one and two, the restriction removal is good for 90 DAYS ONLY. YOU MUST SUBMIT AN EXTENSION REQUEST BEFORE THE END OF THE 90 DAYS OR PAY AN ADITIONAL $61 TO HAVE THE RESTRICTION REMOVED AGAIN. Keep in mind between year one and two there are still some restrictions on selling shares.
After year two...a one time fee of $61 per the TA.
You then must deal with your broker on how to handle selling your shares. They will require your cert, and you MAY incur an additional cost to have your cert put in street name. My understanding is that once YOU possess your cert, the requirement that the TA mail it to you has been satisfied, and you are free to do as you wish with your cert within SEC guidelines...if you choose to have your broker hold your shares in street name, then you can do that per their requirments/cost structure. Then I would assume your normal broker fees to sell would come in to play.
Q. What if I chose to wait 5 years to sell?
A. The TA requires a fee of $61 to remove the restriction legend and reissue a new cert. So no matter how long you choose to wait, it's gonna cost $61...or more by then...depending on if they raise their rates.
Q. What about the "restricted" PAIV shares that were sold as free trade shares through TDAmeritrade? How will those shares be accounted for?
A. You must contact TDAmeritrade or the SEC. The TA has no involvement or opinion concerning that investigation.
Q. I bought "free trade" PAIV shares on the open market the first day PAIV started trading, and I'm sure shares I purchased were "restricted" shares from the ATD fiasco. How do I verify those shares are real and not restricted?
A. As an individual that purchased "free trade" shares on the open market, you can request a securities certification certificate from your broker. Your broker is required by law to surrender in your name any securities certificates they may hold for you. You will be responsible for the cost of having your broker deliver the certificates to you. In the event they are unable to do so, or refuse to deliver your certificates, your recourse is through the legal system.
Q. Will ATD be required to buy back at "market price" all the restricted shares they allowed to be sold? How long do they have to remove these shares from the open market?
A. The TA has no comment or opinion concerning ATD's involvment with the sale of restricted securities. You must contact the SEC or ATD for information.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
so according to the post on the other thread thats lock , yer saying them SOB's are gonna try to charge me $25 per certificate?
or did i miss somthing . i saw about the $61 fee to unrestric and such , but whats that $25 per cert yer talking about? , i will be on the phone mon morning
Posted by same on :
25.00 the cert is sent to you in your name. Which I would advise doing.
Posted by McShooter on :
I called Scottrade this morning and demanded my Certificates be received within 10 days or complaints would be filed with the SEC. I explained that the transfer agent gave up a whole lot of information to enlighten us shareholders. After putting me on hold, Scottrade employee told me that our shares were loaned to Merrill Lynch. Merrill Lynch has yet to give shares back to Scottrade. A deadline has been set for this Friday to send name and address of all shareholders to the Transfer Agent (TA already has names and addresses...more B.S.). Around 7-10 days from that date, all PAIV Certificates would be mailed out to PAIV Shareholders!!!! I can't believe that this Scottrade Employee confirmed they loaned our shares to Merrill Lynch!!! I think I may still file a complaint with the SEC!!! Does anyone think that we have grounds for a lawsuit against Scottrade?
500 into 100K...You Gotta' Believe!!!
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
i called firstrade this morning too they gave me the song and dance too about DTC and all B friggin S . they also gave me friday as a deadly and supposedly they will be mailing cert by next week sometime , , so we will se , i for one am gonna be like a monkey on there back and pester the sh$t out of em
Posted by Repoman75 on :
I hear people were calling me out... great pump and dump over the last few days. Good job to all of those who bought in the .005's.
But for those who hold old JPHC, I still think you'll be screwed 2 years from now.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: I hear people were calling me out... great pump and dump over the last few days. Good job to all of those who bought in the .005's.
But for those who hold old JPHC, I still think you'll be screwed 2 years from now.
yeah maybe for 1 year , but lesson learned , and ya never know they may merge with IBM then my shares will be worth $$$$ LOL
Posted by db on :
well,well repo the basher is back lol
anyone who listened to him/her awhile back lost the chance to make alot of money
I really don't think this ia a pump and dump situation here lol
if repo is back standby to make alot of money!!!! ha,ha,ha, what a joke
Posted by same on :
McShooter
Keep on their Back read my previous posts and keep in touch with T/A. To early for a lawsuit IMO but keep records I have a ton of information.
I called Scottrade this morning and demanded my Certificates be received within 10 days or complaints would be filed with the SEC. I explained that the transfer agent gave up a whole lot of information to enlighten us shareholders. After putting me on hold, Scottrade employee told me that our shares were loaned to Merrill Lynch. Merrill Lynch has yet to give shares back to Scottrade. A deadline has been set for this Friday to send name and address of all shareholders to the Transfer Agent (TA already has names and addresses...more B.S.). Around 7-10 days from that date, all PAIV Certificates would be mailed out to PAIV Shareholders!!!! I can't believe that this Scottrade Employee confirmed they loaned our shares to Merrill Lynch!!! I think I may still file a complaint with the SEC!!! Does anyone think that we have grounds for a lawsuit against Scottrade?
500 into 100K...You Gotta' Believe!!!
Posted by same on :
McShooter Question
In Scottrade Compliance who did you talk to. I spoke with T and he spoke to K who is the manager. K talked to T/A last Friday. Mr K hung the phone up on T/A because T/A told them to get the shares back from Merill Lynch.
Posted by rimasco on :
Might go to take out the high from the other day (051)
Posted by rimasco on :
uhhhhhhhhhhhh i guess so
Posted by PCola77 on :
Apparently I was way off...
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: My guess is this:
There will be a slow steady decline in price as people begin to lose interest and sell to move on to the next big thing. Evetually there will be another wave where people think the short squeeze started again and the price will go up to levels far above the recent .05 high. I'm willing to wait a bit and will try to get back in closer to a penny in a few weeks. As a holder of restricted shares, I'm still hoping taht I am wrong and the price continues its upward ascent, but realistically I am thinking there's more downside coming before the next upswing.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
PCola, you're actually right on the money. This the second wave.. you just called the bottom wrong. This will dip again.
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Apparently I was way off...
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: My guess is this:
There will be a slow steady decline in price as people begin to lose interest and sell to move on to the next big thing. Evetually there will be another wave where people think the short squeeze started again and the price will go up to levels far above the recent .05 high. I'm willing to wait a bit and will try to get back in closer to a penny in a few weeks. As a holder of restricted shares, I'm still hoping taht I am wrong and the price continues its upward ascent, but realistically I am thinking there's more downside coming before the next upswing.
These are pennys, hard to guess at best.. ideas are always welcome.. Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
Folks..Scottrade just left a message and said they have a stock certificate from my JPHC shares that has been transferred to PAIV...I know this has more than likely been answered a million times, but what is up with this certificate? scottrade said they will not trade the restricted shares...anyone else in the same boat..are they useless...I had 500K of JPHC..not sure what I have of PAIV...sorry to say I have been caught up with life and have not been doing my DD..any help would be appreciated...Thanks
Posted by nomed on :
It goes back and forth..some say they got certs comin to them, some say in the mail, some say their brokers are givin them a run- a round, hard to say right now..
Posted by PCola77 on :
Bad decision by me... I sold at .032. Whoops.
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Well I just bailed. Took a small loss on the 100K I bought today, but I'm gonna wait to see how it plays out a bit more before jumping back in. Good luck to all of you.
Posted by tonicma on :
Man, love this stock, Lik I said still holding,
Short squeeze can make this go to $1 no problem
Posted by NEL on :
tonicma, how can this really go to $1, seems pretty impossible?
Posted by PCola77 on :
How much are you holding, still the 40 million?
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: Man, love this stock, Lik I said still holding,
Short squeeze can make this go to $1 no problem
Posted by rimasco on :
Might get an EOD run out of this BIOTCH!!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Here's the deal. Basically there are supposed to be 27million shares of this stock outstanding. When Ameritrade screwed up they released hundreds of millions of shares into the market that should not have been there. People gobbled up these shares, and knowing about a potential short squeeze, may have said "I bought at .001 and I'm not selling til we hit a nickel." Even though that's 5000%, we blew past that today. Some people (myself included) took profits much earlier. As Ameritrade buys the shares back, fewer and fewer people are willign to sell at each level, and you have some people who won't sell til 25 cents, 50 cents, $1, etc. Eventually the shares at one level dry up and the price goes up to the next level. It really could see $1 if (and this is the huge if that no one really knows for sure) the above mentioned scenario is true and Ameritrade has to buy the shares back. In fact, just throwing out the $1 may seem ridiculous, but IF IF IF there really is this kind of unprecedented short squeeze, I don't see why it couldn't go to $2, $5, $10 etc, if enough people hold there shares.
As far as I know, nothing like this, in this magnitude has happened before, so we're in uncharted territory.
quote:Originally posted by NEL: tonicma, how can this really go to $1, seems pretty impossible?
Posted by rimasco on :
Something tells me theres a shortie somwhere clutching his chest............
Posted by ClayN on :
I bought in at .0639
Posted by tonicma on :
bought in a long time ago.
I hold more than the outstanding shares
Posted by The Phat Man on :
HOD... could be a great EOD run
Posted by The Phat Man on :
slow, steady, consistent buying power... nice and setting itself up for a green gapper tomorrow if it holds.
Posted by tonicma on :
Watch this hit 10cent tomorrow. I'll sell like 10% to 15% of my holdings than.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
i'm looking for the .15 mark before selling pieces
Posted by tonicma on :
EOD run, than gap up to 10 to 12 cents. Maybe run to 20 cents that would be kick ass
Posted by tonicma on :
I want to rape the MM for all their abuses they did to us shareholders in the past. I now am going to have the upper hand.
Also, I might actualy just request all my shares in cert form if not the complete o/s plus 1 extra share.
i think somebody did that to another stock before. Forgot the name, a couple of year back now.
I don't care, I demand $1 as pps to be reached.
Posted by tonicma on :
Watch for it eod day run in about 10 to 15 miutes.
Posted by NomarKash on :
i wish i could put a stop loss in that wouldnt execute for a year when my shares become unrestricted.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
If this hits $1, I will call tonicma GOD.
Posted by JARW on :
I have a proposition! I'll trade my restricted shares for unrestircted shares 5-1 anyone insterested --- just hope that those of us that held will be profitable in the long run! Then again... hope and stocks aren't a good combo !!! Great for those making money ... glad to see that some one is off of this stock!
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
From IHUB:
SQUEEZE STATUS: Are you sitting down?
Following is my "armchair" analysis of where we're at today. Given the lack of any verifiable facts, it is entirely speculation and MUST NOT be used in plotting entry/exit points.
As you will see, I am being very conservative with the numbers. Even when hugely skewed in Ameritrade's favor - it suggests that only 47% of the shorted shares could possibly be covered to date.
During the panic sell-off last May, 1.57 billion shares were sold into the float in two day's time. I am going to call 1.519 billion of those shares "short shares," assuming that every legitimate PAIV shareholder sold out too. Therefore, 57 million legitimate shares are deducted from the two-day volume numbers.
So....
ASSUMED SHORT POSITION = 1,519,000,000 shares
I have omitted trading volume from May 25th through the 29, because I highly doubt AT would have rushed in to begin covering right away. IMO, that week only added to the depth of the short position as retail investors bought and sold with each other. Even though that's a reasonable assessment, I will throw those trades out, again erring in favor of the shorts.
So the "covering trades" count begins the day PAIV appeared on SHO (May 30) which certainly would have added pressure to begin covering.
When I add the total volume from May 30 until July 14, I come up with approximately 717 million total shares traded. I will further err in AT's favor by eliminating the retail investors entirely. Assume that EVERY share traded from from May 30 until July 14 was an Ameritrade covering trade. While we know that's not true, look what it tells us:
TOTAL POSSIBLE COVER TRADES TO DATE = 717,000,000 shares
Wow. That's less than HALF of the short position. When you consider that covering only 47% of the short shares caused PAIV to gain 920% (.005 - .051), it is a safe bet to say that covering the remaining shorts would bring us up another 1000% from Friday's close of .037. Therefore:
SHARE PRICE UPON FINAL COVER = $0.37 per share
If you take a more realistic position, and assume that only HALF of the trades since May 30 were cover trades, that gives us a figure of 358,000,000 shares covered to date. Personally, I bet AT has covered only 200 or so million thus far. However:
"MORE REALISTIC" COVER TRADES TO DATE = 358,000,000 shares
Now we're looking at only 23.5% of the position being covered as of July 14. Since PAIV gained 920% covering just a quarter of the shares, that means 75% more to go...for a total gain of 3,680%:
SHARE PRICE UPON COVER - "REALISTIC NUMBERS" = $1.06 per share
Again I stress these are not facts. But based on everything above, I do think we have a shot at passing $0.10 or even $0.18. Keep in mind AT will use every dirty trick in the book - shakeouts, new shorted shares, etc. Even assuming an average cover price of just $0.10 per share - that's over $150 million. I expect that AT will find a way to worm out of paying that kind of dough, either through dirty tricks, an extended timeframe, or both.
GLT all of us!
Posted by Karma Earl on :
So what happens if TDA, Scottrade and others can't cover? Do we lose? This can't be the first time that something like this has happened.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
Ameritrade screwed up, they have to cover... or they could buy PAIV out, that might be cheaper. From what I've read nothing like this has ever happened before. We'll see but Ameritrade will probably be forced to buy back all of those shares that they allowed to be sold.
Posted by tonicma on :
Still holding my shares of this stock. Sold some but not much ONLY $50,000 worth still holding a LOT of shares.
Posted by tonicma on :
Oh did I mention my current net worth is about 2 3million dollars. Man I thought I would get that much from CMKX. BUT it looks like CMKX might just become a bonus too.
BTW, I still hold several 10's million of this shares. which means I still own more than the o/s so you can be assured this short squeeze will continue.
Posted by tonicma on :
i meant 3 million about.
Posted by same on :
JPHC& Paiv Holders Look Here
Below are Volume Days for JPHC and Paiv, Now Brokerages loaned out JPHC Shares to other Firms how many we do not know Take a look at April 24, 25, 26 on JPHC the enrtire Float changed hands each Day.. Take a look at May 22, 2006 on Volume for Paiv it traded almost 20 times the A/S that one day.. Paiv only has around 56 Million Shares.
So what does all this mean? I see GOOD THINGS AHEAD.
same, and that is why I bought a truck load of this stock when the "rumour" came out about selling restricted shares.
As soon as I heard but I bought and bought and bought.
Only if CMKX made me a couple of millions before this stock, if it did I would of been a billionaire by now.
Damn it, oh well, I guess I'll have to settle for afew million for now.
Posted by tonicma on :
You forget, there are MORE peopel than just me holding more than the o/s. So image me not selling can you believe others selling.
Heck no,
This is the ultimate short squeeze ever and MM can't say it isn't.
I say $1 eventually.
short squeeze biatch.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
PAIV Chart
Just calling everyone's attention to the magnitude of the short position.
Look at the massive volume back in May. Where did all those shares come from?
Then look at the tiny little volume "bumps" in July. Those little guys sent the price up 1500%. Just think how many more "bumps" we need, and how high it may go...
Are these share "restricted" or can I buy and sell tomorrow?
Posted by Triumph1902 on :
What if they halt it like they did GVRP?
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
Only shares bought back in May were restricted, the shares you buy tomorrow and so on are free to be traded daily.
Posted by coalkickin on :
sounds good, I could go for a multi day runner
Posted by tonicma on :
Triump1902, even if they do halt it, they STILL have to cover it. Either way they are not.
Also, if they were to "halt" it, they woudl of already done so.
get my point.
If they halt it, they are still screwed because it does not solve the problem.
Also, since they ONLY had 3 days to say "cancel" the settlement.
Their ability to cancel the order or sells are no longer able to do so.
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
Bid comin up...
Posted by nomed on :
Someone takin some profits...cant blame them..
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
.08!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
This stock is a monster. Tonicma is rolling in it.
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
Looks like we'll soon be passing by the 52 week high
Posted by same on :
A reminder to all, no matter who your Broker is call their Compliance dept and e-mail your broker that you want them to cooperate with the Transfer Agent on his requests that he faxed to all the brokerages two months ago.
. The transfer Agent needs all our help in doing this. If we do not put pressure on the brokers nothing will be done on our receiving our restricted PAIV Shares
One reason you are seeing a large rise in the SP is because pressure is being put on the Brokers
I would especially like to Thank Dallas and Rinderless in their efforts.
Posted by nomed on :
MAN! I can almost SMELL .10 or more..
Posted by stocks1984 on :
tonicma, i am amaze that you knew this would go to .10 when we were trading .03! nice job! by the way anything on Paim yet?
Posted by nomed on :
Now would be a good time to change your GTC orders.. might keep goin up ...
Posted by NomarKash on :
i wish my shares weren't restricted!
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by NomarKash: i wish my shares weren't restricted!
So make some good daytrades, with your money left in your account.. what ive done since the merger..
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
I can't beleive I have 30K worth of restricted shares...this is like acid in my gut..where's a bus to jump in front of when u need one...
Posted by GSilk316 on :
I called Scottrade again today asking about the certs and what is going on. They said the transfer agent should be sending them out and that we should receive them in the next few weeks. There is a $25 fee that will be taken straight from everyones broker account for the certs.
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by ARTTEACHER: I can't beleive I have 30K worth of restricted shares...this is like acid in my gut..where's a bus to jump in front of when u need one...
Look at it this way, I have 970K in restricted shares. I'm makin my profit now, while I can... do the same.. Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
quote:Originally posted by GSilk316: I called Scottrade again today asking about the certs and what is going on. They said the transfer agent should be sending them out and that we should receive them in the next few weeks. There is a $25 fee that will be taken straight from everyones broker account for the certs.
I just got off the phone my scott guy...they have no date or any info when they will go out..yes on the $25 charge, but we are stuck for a year from date of issue..longer they hold them, longer we wait..BS!
Posted by GSilk316 on :
quote:Originally posted by ARTTEACHER: [/qb]
I just got off the phone my scott guy...they have no date or any info when they will go out..yes on the $25 charge, but we are stuck for a year from date of issue..longer they hold them, longer we wait..BS! [/QB][/QUOTE]
I believe it should be a year from the merge date not when all the paperwork gets done. That doesn't seem right to me.
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
I just wanna say that I love you all and this stock, or maybe I love the broker for messing this all up so we can all make mad cash. I jumped in at .029 and haven't made near as much as some of you but am extreamly happy. PAIV...keep on keepin on!!!
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
EOD..any guess?
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by imapoorcollegestudent: I just wanna say that I love you all and this stock, or maybe I love the broker for messing this all up so we can all make mad cash. I jumped in at .029 and haven't made near as much as some of you but am extreamly happy. PAIV...keep on keepin on!!!
if your just starting out trading, believe and take this advice, do not get GREEDY! If you bought in at .029 I would sell now to keep profit! Trust me, you dont want to risk losing what you got and if it keeps going up, by on the dips. no biggie, right? Other stocks to play with.
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
totally agree...I lost an insane amount of $$ watching RSHN crash..don't fall in love with a stock..I have 30K worth of restricted shares of PAIV..and today I'm in and out for $250...not bad for 30 minutes work...
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
but will still pick up on a dip because I think we will see green all week...
Posted by nomed on :
EOD? Hard to say, but... seems to rise at the bell, then fall to its open. Then slowly rise to new EOD, after 12:00... just a pattern I seen..
Posted by db on :
Still holding all my unrestricted shares - wanted to sell at .10 but , I'm going to wait.
The longer you hold your shares the more this should go up , how high? I don't have L2 for this but I would watch TDA MM .
This whole situation is volatile anything could happen, short position being covered,SEC intervention, deal with PAIV hell,TDA could buy PAIV !!
IMO this has along way to go still.
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
Thanks Stocks, I have secured my inital investment and have sell limits set, but I still have some in so I can injoy the ride!
Posted by coalkickin on :
New HOD
Posted by freddy79 on :
Which I have gotten to this stock alot early but I was still gripping my xkem shares so tightly I decided to bail out, and enter this stock let's hope I made the right decision Posted by nomed on :
What did you get in at freddy79?
Posted by rimasco on :
I bought at 0058 two weeks ago...
Now, I dont own a lick (sold at 06 avg)
Im sick ....but I made a nice chop so i cant complain
Posted by freddy79 on :
I got in at .10 Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: I got in at .10
My advice to you is make but in a mental stop at .10
Posted by nomed on :
It's ok rim bought and sold this since.0025 to .058.. lost some, but damn good pick ya made in the .005 range
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: I got in at .10
Wait till after 12:00... then see what happens..
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: I got in at .10
Keep in mind .10 is a good price (FOR TODAY) no reason to be skeptical. you pulled a good trade.
I wish i had bought .10
Posted by PCola77 on :
You could sell now for 20%. Not many people would complain about that. (Not that I would recommend seling yet.)
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: I got in at .10
Posted by JARW on :
give it another minute nad you'll be getting 30%
Posted by rimasco on :
Whens the Ameriturd DEBOCLE gonna hit prime-time???
Posted by freddy79 on :
Nah I will wait it out a bit more , maybe a couple of days more I really need to make some money bad damm xkem burned me bad , so bad I think it was 3rd degree burn
Posted by rimasco on :
well Im assuming you pulled the same trade (bought .10)
just keep a stop at .10 and youll be fine..if you get more cushion by the end of the day....i would raise the stop a little to insure profits
Posted by freddy79 on :
What's everybody predictions by the the end of week price. I read a message back 3 pages And this guys put out some good numbers , he said that possible that this may see .37 by the end of this debacle, I be glad if it goes to .19 Posted by freddy79 on :
Wow it's so unreal the way the FHAL keeps rising, whoever it's in FHAL and PAIV are making some good though
Posted by coalkickin on :
Posted by rimasco on :
I know JUice has a SHlTLOAD of FHAL......
I shoulda listened
Posted by freddy79 on :
Than I believe Juice and Tonicma who says he bought millions of shares at .001 or so , they must be swimming on their pile of money they just made Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Than I believe Juice and Tonicma who says he bought millions of shares at .001 of PAIV or so , they must be swimming on their pile of money they just made
Posted by rimasco on :
UHHH i would say so.....he also gave me CYOS yesterday...kids GOLDEN
Posted by freddy79 on :
So it's safe to say that Juice and Tonicma are the stocks gods of the moment, so guys what is ur next prediction??? Posted by freddy79 on :
Wow someone bought at .135 when the as was at .129, someone wanted in bad Posted by stocktrader22 on :
This thing is a monster!!!!! $25,000 on $1,000 invesment if you were in at .005
Posted by freddy79 on :
Just curious does anybody has an idea how much longer this short squeeze can go on, well according to the guys calculations 3 pages or so said that so far only 50 % of the restricted shares that were sold early when the merger between JPHC and APOA went through . It took about close to 2 weeks to eat up 50 % of those shares back, can this still go for 2 more weeks or so. Tonicma do you know or have an idea ???
Posted by freddy79 on :
So far today im up 24% not bad, not bad at all!!!
Posted by Fuzzy1018 on :
hey guys need little help here. I'm still seeing restricted shares of JPHC - weren't they suppose to be converted to restricted shares of PAIV? I have talked to my broker to ask them to send me a CERT in mail, first he told me they can't do that because the dont have shares of PAIV yet. When I asked him for the number of their complience dept. he put me on hold and then told me it would take about three weeks for the transfer agents to send them the PAIV shares and then they'll mail me the cert to my home address. Any thoughts, whats the best thing to do to get my restricted paiv shares? Thanks
Posted by freddy79 on :
I know Im posting to much , but Im so excited I think I will hold this stock until Monday or Tuesday and sell than Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
Anyone seeing a repetitive pattern here?
Goes up a lot, goes down a little, goes up more, goes down little....the true pattern of consistent buying pressure.
Posted by tonicma on :
Ok, I sold another $100,000 worth of my stock, I am still well over $4million is net asset right now.
Still holding for the squeeze tomorrow.
This is going to hit $1 no problem.
Posted by Fuzzy1018 on :
any help on the above scenario? thnks
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by KittyKatGiRL: Anyone seeing a repetitive pattern here?
Goes up a lot, goes down a little, goes up more, goes down little....the true pattern of consistent buying pressure.
Well according to the chart right around 11:30 am or so starts making a big push for the EOD, but before that it goes high dips little than goes high again and dips very little. Good momentun
Posted by freddy79 on :
Wait a god damm minute, PAIV just started going down when I said I was gonna Hold it till Monday, you know what I change my mind I will see today Posted by freddy79 on :
So far it has stall, it's been stuck at .12 for quite a while now, come on move higher come on purty plz
Posted by tonicma on :
sold another $200,000 shares.
So far.
Might sell some more later on but I will still hold all of the o/s at the end of the day.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: Ok, I sold another $100,000 worth of my stock, I am still well over $4million is net asset right now.
Still holding for the squeeze tomorrow.
This is going to hit $1 no problem.
ton, your really starting to scare me here. I mean i dont know if i should risk the purchase to see a $1.00 or wait and see if it happens. like i said before, you called .10 for Paiv when it was .03 or under. Why do you see this hitting 1.00, and if you see it hitting a dollar tomorrow, why sell now?
Posted by PCola77 on :
If you watch its behavior for the last week or so it's like this: fast rise, slow small decline or flat, fast rise, slow small decline or flat, fast rise. Lather, rinse, repeat. I'm anticipating aother run or two befor ethe day is done. My guess is a close close to .15, and I'm not one for throwing out closing numbers.
Posted by tonicma on :
stocks1984.
Like I said, it is a short squeeze.
the MM have to buy up all that 1.5 billion they sold on may 18 and 19.
So if you add up the volume of the past month you can see they still have a LONG way to go.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
well i think i might dabble a purchase here but man, paiv scared me when you said .10 the next after it run so hard and then it retraced down for a bit but then again kept going up the next day. Trying to figure out if it will dip some more so i might be able to get under 10 or at 10
Posted by tonicma on :
I might dip a bit but I am holding cause I have about $300000 in cash now so not worried.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
tonicma, i understand your reasoning behind your predictions. but can you really honestly feel that this will for sure see $1.00 or near it this week?
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
Looks like people are back from lunch
You guys realize we are making the 52 week high as we go.... Posted by yolkarmy on :
of course not.. if he did.. he would hold his supposed 300k in cash for 1 dollar.
Posted by tonicma on :
I say it does a 200% gain today and gap up tomorrow.
I think 20cents is VERY p;ossible today with a move tomorrow.
Understand PAIV is VERY different.
Did you not forget that the actual certs are suppose to be mailed out to shareholders within the next 3 days.
Add up the people requestions certs, that means they have about 10 days to cover the o/s.
Thus the massive increas in pps.
Tijke is not on their side.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
I like the feel of that! I rode from .0022 to .006 and sold out! Dang do I wish I held all 100k I had. So I just bought 5000 shares and look forward to those billions of shares that need to be bought back. Esp with peeps obtaining certs and having a time limit!!!
Sweet. Get ready to RUMBLE!!!!
Posted by tonicma on :
stocks1984.
It is only weds.
At the rate we are going today we will go 100% no problem and with panic buying I say 200%.
now add that MM have about 10 days sent out the certs for paiv divis. MM have 10 days so 2 weeks time to cover all the NSS.
Get my point.
You will continue to see the upward rist os pps in increaseing force with of course dips fo about 20 to 30% along the way. i say the first dip occurs friday. Because stocks like this runs in 3 waves than retrace with the 3rd wave being the more pps movment.
so I can say that we will probably see 20 by eow, but I project that we hit something like 30 to 40 cents before the shake.
than conintu moving to $1 early next week.
Remember as we near the 10 day cert mailing the pps will be more aggressive.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Looks to be starting its next run.
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: If you watch its behavior for the last week or so it's like this: fast rise, slow small decline or flat, fast rise, slow small decline or flat, fast rise. Lather, rinse, repeat. I'm anticipating aother run or two befor ethe day is done. My guess is a close close to .15, and I'm not one for throwing out closing numbers.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
tonicma i will take your advice, like i should had when we were sitting pretty at .03. thanks. by the way your reasoning and explanations help out alot compared to other posters who post their predictions but do not have much to back it up with
Posted by tonicma on :
stocks1984.
ALSO WATCH VOL
so reaching 40,000,000 million shares.
UM but WAIT the o/s is ONLY and I mean ONLY 27million.
So we basically traded the entire float TWICE.
So you don't call this short squeeze.
It will continue to go up and up because there are not only people stil holding shares, there are buyers and than there are the people requestiong certs.
You get my point. To be optimisitc I say $2 is gonna hit.
Etiehr wya $1 is no problem.
Posted by tonicma on :
In the past 10 days, EVERY day we traded well over the o/s except the 17th, which was the shake.
So watch volume, you know its going higher when the entire float flips over itself.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
I'm riding this train!!! If it can happen once and the shares are still not accumulated then this puppy will FLY!!!
Posted by stocks1984 on :
any probable chance it might dip to .10 again today before lift off? still debating it might
Posted by freddy79 on :
OT: damm FHAL just had the biggest shake I seen, just wow, I feel for the people that got in at the HOD pps, but it should be back today or in a couple of days right?
Posted by tonicma on :
I swear, I have to thank allstock for brining this thing out.
After I heard I just bought and bought and bought.
PAIV is life changing for me. My god, who would of thought I could get into the ride of a lifetime.
ONly if CMKX was this good, which i am sure ti wil be.
I can tell you right now Maheu and CMKX is watching ths PAIV situation and just laughing.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: I swear, I have to thank allstock for brining this thing out.
After I heard I just bought and bought and bought.
PAIV is life changing for me. My god, who would of thought I could get into the ride of a lifetime.
ONly if CMKX was this good, which i am sure ti wil be.
I can tell you right now Maheu and CMKX is watching ths PAIV situation and just laughing.
sorry what are you trying to say here?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
I bet. Congrats on your future lifestyle change! I sure hope my time will come soon .
Posted by freddy79 on :
If I only knew of this amazing ride was gonna start before my eyes , I would had put all my savings into it, oh well.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
millionaire now?
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: I swear, I have to thank allstock for brining this thing out.
After I heard I just bought and bought and bought.
PAIV is life changing for me. My god, who would of thought I could get into the ride of a lifetime.
ONly if CMKX was this good, which i am sure ti wil be.
I can tell you right now Maheu and CMKX is watching ths PAIV situation and just laughing.
Someone it's living the high life now arent we tonic?? Posted by tonicma on :
fredy79, well, I have to thank allstock for making it happen.
btw, look at vol dried up but not shaking it cause MM need shares.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Yeah I noticed that they vol been dried up for a few hours, do you know a website where I can check the vol for past days for a site. I believe this stock has been trading on a daily average vol of roughly 80M or more so
Posted by tonicma on :
Therewe go uptick, lets see what this afternoon brings.
People coming back from lunch. LOL
Its as if, everybody left at 1 for lunch and now they come back after lunch and like now start buying again.
to think the MM have time for lunch LOL
Posted by tonicma on :
freddy go to stockcharts.com
They have free chart section quite good.
Posted by tonicma on :
Watch this run another 100% today, than gap up for another 100% run before coming down on shake.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Thanks tonic, here we go PAIV here we go!!!!
Posted by tonicma on :
LOL, MM doing the 0.001 ticking now, they are so damn desperate.
That is some serious BS MM are doing.
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Posted by J_U_ICE on :
READ THIS FROM RB regarding PAIV ... SQUEEEEEZE!
By: sydc0 19 Jul 2006, 02:45 PM EDT Msg. 9441 of 9447 Jump to msg. # To all,
I just spoke to my broker TDW and the TA. Very interesting.
The broker gave me the usual runaround like they did with my CMKX shares.
I then called the TA. They said my trading account doesn't have my PAIV shares because the brokers have not provided a list of beneficial shareholders to the TA. The brokers are dragging their feet on this.
Here's the catch. Jack Donelley, the TA has developed a proprietory software to track naked shorts. PAIV is a merger corporation specifically set up to run through this software, the merger was specifically for this. PAIV is the first company to run on this software. You want a sting operation, well this is it my friends.
Call the TA, talk to the secretary, she will confirm. She said Jack has been in the industry for 40 years and is sick and tired of watching investors getting bilked and good companies going under.
This would explain the short squeeze. The shorters are shiiting their pants right now.
I'm going to call my broker back and give em 'ell.
Posted by tonicma on :
HERE WE GO, watch it break hod and go another 100%
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
SWEET!!!! Here we come dolla bills!!!!!!!!
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: SWEET!!!! Here we come dolla bills!!!!!!!!
I second that motion!!!!
Posted by stocks1984 on :
wow, looks like a strong close to the finish
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Yeah I noticed that they vol been dried up for a few hours, do you know a website where I can check the vol for past days for a site. I believe this stock has been trading on a daily average vol of roughly 80M or more so
Need to correct myself, it has been trading on roughly 55M on average since the month of July. So it does seem like they have a long way to go to cover all the restricted shares that were sold early on.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Seems to me like this is our second time we have stall , Hopefully it follows last time it stall it went up Posted by therustytrombone on :
I rode this one back in May from .0012 to .0021 and then .0053 to .0105....
Now I kicked myself for not being in this one again when it broke a cent recently, then kicked myself again at 2 cents, then kicked myself a third time for not being in at 4 cents. This morning I almost pulled the trigger at the open at .077-.08 cents but didn't -- now I'm kicking myself again.
Will I be kicking myself for not getting in around .13...?
Posted by NEL on :
Get in, what are you waiting for! This is only going up from here until they buy back all their shares.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Join us therusty, you dont need to make the same mistake again Posted by therustytrombone on :
ha already up to .145 on the ask.. jeez
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
yup, I think so! I quick kicking myself after buying 5k X .128. Nothing but up with the SQUEEZE!!! Its history tells all. WOOOOHOOOOOO
Show me the money
Posted by freddy79 on :
Looks like another EOD rush , and it still not even close to being EOD, we have 1 hourn and 15 mins.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Unreal. I'm actually buying into this Short Squeeze conspiracy vs a pump n dump.
Posted by freddy79 on :
see that big spread, MM's need shares
Posted by JBravo on :
So when is the deadline for the buyback, or when do we expect this is crash back to .0056?
Posted by JBravo on :
CRAZY...CRAZY.....CRAZY... Can't concentrate on Work.. I am gonna get fired
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Brokerages don't have deadlines... that's the thing. Something to be wary of.
Posted by sportsguy on :
Up next... .20
Posted by therustytrombone on :
is it just me, or are the L2's on allstocks busted today?
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by JBravo: CRAZY...CRAZY.....CRAZY... Can't concentrate on Work.. I am gonna get fired
I with you there JBravo, same here cant look away from the streamer Posted by freddy79 on :
The pps it's just like a ping pong ball bouncing everywhere
Posted by freddy79 on :
Hold down the fort guys, gotta go play some bball, back in an hour, hopefully ti goes up while im gone * fingers Crossed * Posted by tonicma on :
Watch for EOD run gain, gap up and run again. MM need to cover in 10 days.
Peole calling broker for certs.
MM sweating, thus no real shake going on.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
This is insane, what dreams are made of. This is passing PGPM as the play of the year (remember, PGPM gained 2000% in 2 days)
Posted by therustytrombone on :
.153 by .155 with tons of buys coming in... wow!
Posted by NEL on :
do you guys think this will continue into next week? I don't have a margin account but would love to get in?
Posted by tonicma on :
NEL VERY LIKELY.
Remember look at float.
o/s is ONLY 27million
BUT vol for past week has suppass that with double the volume.
So what that means is
1) complete float exhanged hand every time it moved up. 2) NSS is present and MM mUST cover.
Also, add in people calling brokers for certs etce etc.
You get the pressure.
I heard the certs are tob e delivered in 10 days, so that means they have 2 weeks to get it done.
Thus the amove this week so far.
I say $1 to $2 no problem.
SQUEEZE BUIg TIM<e
Posted by PCola77 on :
Me too... But if this keeps going, I won't even mind getting fired!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by JBravo: CRAZY...CRAZY.....CRAZY... Can't concentrate on Work.. I am gonna get fired
Posted by The Phat Man on :
that huge number of block buys that went through at time 14:55 are expecting much more than .153 pps. good sign, imo
Posted by NEL on :
i'm actually due certs from the jphc/paiv merger but would like to make some with this short squeeze as well. at this rate my purchase will not settle until next monday or tuesday.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
welcome aboard all and I'm sure we will be reaping the benefits. Thanks MM's for this one!!! I've waited so long on stocks and this one you will pay me !
Posted by tonicma on :
Watch it break in 10 minutes time.
MM are sweating now.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: Watch it break in 10 minutes time.
MM are sweating now.
break north or south? iyo?
Posted by tonicma on :
Phat MAn, I thought it was pretty clear, $1 here we come.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
dude, just havin' fun on this crazy ride :-)
Posted by tonicma on :
LOL, MM trying desperately to hold this below 16 cents.
let see if they can hold it for 20 minutes. LOL
"A lot of vol going on and I ain't sells thats for sure.
Posted by tonicma on :
Want to know the irony.
For some reason the allstock free level 2 quote is down today and yesterday.
LOL, isn't that convienent.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
was that recent 997443 and 1 mil block trades buys or sells?
Posted by tonicma on :
We traded about 6 million shares in the past 10 minutes. That is about 20% of the entire float.
You can tell MM are pissing in their pants now.
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
She just wants to break 16, man what a run...hope this closes on the High of day, which would be the 52 Week high too.... Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Just like FHAL. All the way up to a good ole dollar bill and beyond with this squeeze. Make the MM's PAY for all the heartache endured Posted by dbrownRC on :
997443 was a buy 1000000 was a sell
Posted by tonicma on :
Yeap, But I say more than $1.
I am upping my stake and sticking with $2 minimum.
Posted by tonicma on :
Man se that small dip down but than up.
MM trying hard but not working
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
GOOOO!
Posted by PCola77 on :
.16 is about to fall...
Posted by The Phat Man on :
with some luck... EOD ='s HOD and green gapper tomorrow :-)
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
WOW!
Posted by coalkickin on :
insane day for me..ridin this and fhal
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
I like it, I love it, I want some more of it!!!
Go PAIV!!!
Posted by tonicma on :
OHHHHHHH, See what ai mean, breakout.
Posted by Batman on :
This is a 30 bagger from july 1st
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
That's it boys.
Wow, congratulations to all in this today, yesterday, whenever. Let's all look forward to tomorrow! Gotta get back to work!!!
Great gains today!
Posted by tonicma on :
Gotta say this,
MM got abusively rapped today. LOL
Posted by rimasco on :
We should all give the guy that started the thread some starzzz...... Posted by coalkickin on :
Gave you five....thank you....GREAT pick
Posted by tonicma on :
I say another 100% gain tomorrow.
than a little shake for 20 to 30% than conintue movement up on Monday.
I say $2 is very reachable.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Wow cant believe my eyes, just came back and saw that we barely closed under the HOD pps, I wonder what tomorrow brins us. Would 50 % gain would be too much to ask guys Posted by PCola77 on :
What about the guy that started the original PAIV thread back in May when all the real DD was done?
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: We should all give the guy that started the thread some starzzz......
Posted by rimasco on :
Good point, youre right! But we cant forget about the guy who started the thread the day the breakout started Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: I say another 100% gain tomorrow.
than a little shake for 20 to 30% than conintue movement up on Monday.
I say $2 is very reachable.
I would buy you a 24 pk or beer or if you want one expensive bottle of champagne or what ever you like to drink man, glad I got in today even thought it was somewhat late. But than again better than not have gotten in at all. Lets keep holding the shares guys
Posted by PCola77 on :
Looks like I was about 15% low. WOW.
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: If you watch its behavior for the last week or so it's like this: fast rise, slow small decline or flat, fast rise, slow small decline or flat, fast rise. Lather, rinse, repeat. I'm anticipating aother run or two befor ethe day is done. My guess is a close close to .15, and I'm not one for throwing out closing numbers.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Pcola is God!
Posted by PCola77 on :
So what's the word REPO, did you join the dark side and buy in?
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Pcola is God!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Nope... should have though. I'm in WWEN, hope to repeat this performance.
Posted by tonicma on :
FUK, I am getting so excited about tomorrow.
Man to think it is ONLY Weds, which measn we still have 2 days of this nothing but up movement.
Man, I gotta chill abit, gvonna loose a lot of sleep for this week.
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: FUK, I am getting so excited about tomorrow.
Man to think it is ONLY Weds, which measn we still have 2 days of this nothing but up movement.
Man, I gotta chill abit, gvonna loose a lot of sleep for this week.
Tonicma breath in, breath out keep repeating and than chill the fak up......just kidding. Im alos excited as well Posted by JerZeyDeViL on :
Wow...congrats to all of u in this one. When this mess first started I thought about jumping in around .0010 and chickened out =( My $500 would now be $80,000....that is ridiculous and I deserve to be shot in the head!
Posted by kermit42 on :
I thinking of dumping some BKMP tomorrow and jumping in, but there's a general rule against getting in on the third day of a run. Yet people here talking about this going over a dollar short-term and even doing the math on the shorting. Charts don't help as this thing is off the scale.
Somebody who's sober here--can this thing really keep going?
Posted by tonicma on :
JerZeyDeVil, I know how you feel, my friend just called me about 30minutes ago and started saying how he si goign to beat me up because I had this stock.
The irony was I told him to use the $1000 he had to invest in this at 0.004 instead of usign to buy a Hugo Boss suit to flash around with.
Now he's like, "you piece of ****".
Why didn't you tell me sbout this stock.
But I did.
LOL, some people these days.
Posted by tonicma on :
kermit42.
I suggest you put some "risk" money in if you canj afford it and make a quick profit tomorrow.
But if you want you can try to "predict" the dip aka shake that will eventually happen.
I say this friday which may cause a 20 to 30% decrease in share price. But I do know that MM have to give certs to people of the divi in 2 weeks times.
You as you can see, they don't have much time left to try to shake this stock much.
Posted by R.A. on :
What is the rise in PPS due to?
Pumping? MM shorting? Good news coming up?
There hasn't been any news since june 29th.
Ii would be appreciated to have an answer.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: JerZeyDeVil, I know how you feel, my friend just called me about 30minutes ago and started saying how he si goign to beat me up because I had this stock.
The irony was I told him to use the $1000 he had to invest in this at 0.004 instead of usign to buy a Hugo Boss suit to flash around with.
Now he's like, "you piece of ****".
Why didn't you tell me sbout this stock.
But I did.
LOL, some people these days.
so you have millions and you were complaining about free level II's being down LMAO.. ok
cough cough bull****
Posted by JerZeyDeViL on :
LoL...I hear ya tonic! But geez....can't get over that I could've turned $500 into $80,000 in no time. It's just amazing to me, lol. This was a once in a lifetime opp that I sure blew! But hey...you live and learn and look for the next big thing =)
Posted by stocks1984 on :
looks like a for sure gapper, how high though is the question?
Posted by freddy79 on :
Hopefully Friday it's not of a big drop on the pps. You know what they say Friday are always profit taking days.. Hoping this case isnt like that
Posted by renrob05 on :
You guys actually expect 1 dollar? I don't know.
Posted by kermit42 on :
Thanks Tonicma. I'm fairly new and am trying to discipline myself to trade according to sensible rules. Buying in to this means breaking my rules. But I'm tired of watching and thinking "I'll be ready next time."
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Probably not a dollar, but I would guess low .30's.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: Yeap, But I say more than $1.
I am upping my stake and sticking with $2 minimum.
I like his projections better. If its a true squeeze like it looks and has already proven then I think a dollar is not unreasonable at all!
Posted by NEL on :
What if the SEC decides to halt trading? Where does that leave shareholders?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
And with 7,350,000 dollars in volume!! WOW.
Posted by Hannibull on :
suppose next year it's trading at $0.30, the day before the restriction falls off, and all these people who had restricted stock sell their shares, wouldn't the price fall back to 0.0010?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Dunno anything about "next year". I'm talking about ten days then I start to get antsy!
Posted by NEL on :
What if the SEC decides to halt trading? Where does that leave shareholders?
Posted by tonicma on :
pennyaddict71
LOL,
I am not, its my friend that is complaining.
Also, I never had level two cause I do not want to pay for it why pay when you can get it free.
Do you see rational for paying for a BMW whe you can get it for free.
Exactly,
I was nearly making a point of how level2 from allstock site was down for these 2 days.
I don't call it a convinience.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
So when do we move this to the .11 & up board?
Posted by coalkickin on :
Never...that's a jinx
Posted by The Phat Man on :
quote:Originally posted by Karma Earl: So when do we move this to the .11 & up board?
let's not move to the .11 board at all until, at least, this play is above a buck. i saw that move as a kiss of death (as a bad omen if you will) with xkem. there was like 50 pages of DD and chat history with xkem and for about 5 minutes the stock went above .10 cents and everyone immediately ran to the .10 and up board and started a new threa. then, the next moment it was down down down down. jmho
Posted by The Phat Man on :
quote:Originally posted by coalkickin: Never...that's a jinx
exactly coalkickin'
Posted by tonicma on :
WE went 100% yesterdaym, than another 100% today.
No stock goes this much with this kind of strenght.
this is amazing, I won't be surprised we do another 100% tomorrow.
But sooner or later we will be doing a 200 to 1000% run in one day as MM becomes more desperate for shares
Posted by tonicma on :
Remember we ONLY have 27million o/s
MAJOR low float for this kind of vol we are having.
There are stocks with low floats like ptsc, etc that went 1000 to 1200% in one day due to less vol.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
July 19, 2006 Paivis Corporation: The Ultimate Penny Stock Short Squeeze
While penny stocks are usually not covered, this one cannot be passed over. Shares of Paivis, Corp. (OTCBB: PAIV) have doubled today, up $.08 to $.153 on heavy volume of 48 million shares. If today's percentage gain is shocking, wait until you hear this. The stock has surged an unbelievable 15,000% since May 22. The move higher began amid confusion, when on May 22, the company, under a merger agreement issued shares to be received by the Jupiter Shareholders as restricted securities defined by Rule 144. The Depository Trust Company confirmed no allocation of any shares had taken place by them due to restricted nature of those shares and the fact that the merger shares were not physically received by Depository Trust Company for further allocation. However, judging by the volume of billions of shares being exchanged, it appeared at the time that those shares had been accidentally handed over to customers by certain brokerage firms. Then on June 29, the company issued a clarification, stating that Jupiter Shareholders must surrender their Jupiter common share certificate to the Paivis transfer agent in order to receive their merger shares certificate. All the while, the price began to rapidly increase. To this date, it appears that the marketprice is reflecting a short squeeze because the merger shares of Paivis were not supposed to be issued and consequently someone is paying the ultimate price of having to purchase the shares on the open market to cover the share imbalance.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
Now that we have news this will rocket off tomorrow maybe over 200%
Posted by NEL on :
...does anyone think the SEC will halt trading on this?
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Seems to me that if they did that they would be rewarding the brokers who shorted.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
someone mentioned that PAIV management are playing hardball with these guys, so it's not inconceviable to see this at $1 by Monday/Tuesday. I'd be hoping for about 0.6 by Friday then selling some of my position just incase they want make a deal next week.... we'll see.
If this keep going there are really no limits to how far this can go IMO, it just depends on how far the powers that be will let it go.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
If the brokers are that short on the stock. What can PAIV do for them?
Posted by R.A. on :
This stock was trading for around 0.005 back in june and is now around 0.16 which is around 30 times the price of a month ago.
The RSI is way above 70 and has hit 90 today, could be see a huge drop in the PPS after that huge gain in value?
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
quote:Originally posted by Karma Earl: If the brokers are that short on the stock. What can PAIV do for them?
Just passing along what I read.. I'm not sure what kind of deal they could possibly make.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
I'd sell them all of mine for $1 per sheare.
Posted by Batman on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Hopefully Friday it's not of a big drop on the pps. You know what they say Friday are always profit taking days.. Hoping this case isnt like that
Some of XKEM best days were on Friday's, that's actually was the day XKEM first took off.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: This stock was trading for around 0.005 back in june and is now around 0.16 which is around 30 times the price of a month ago.
The RSI is way above 70 and has hit 90 today, could be see a huge drop in the PPS after that huge gain in value?
of course, always could see a drop. however, RSI indicators don't take into account HUGE/ASTRONOMICAL momo combined with HUGE/ASTROMICAL short squeezes. rsi is a numbers game only and has no ability to gauge plays like this one as it is in its current state. another 50+% tomorrow imho. could be 100% + again too. there was a 100,000 sale on the ask at .165 after the bell. with the article/dd i posted above, a close near HOD, sales on the ask after the bell, major momo, i think we're good for a green gapper in the morn. whether it holds, different story. but me personally... very bullish on this and hope i'm surprised as i was/am with fhal.
Posted by R.A. on :
The Phat Man, I get you. We'll wait and see what happens tomorrow! GLTA
Posted by The Phat Man on :
This is absolutely killing me!! Over 6000% gain on paper and I can't sell due to the restriction.
AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
You guys with restricted shares, God I feel for you.... this seems like a legitimate squeeze and will probably run for days, if not weeks... but not 2 years.
I think I may jump in even at these levels.
Posted by sportsguy on :
.18 for the open?
Posted by stocks1984 on :
could happen
Posted by Repoman75 on :
.19 I'm guessing.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
.179 now... .19 coming
Posted by nomed on :
Up to .185 on scottrade...
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
MAJOR GAPPAGE!
Posted by stocks1984 on :
wow
Posted by PCola77 on :
How are all these shares being traded pre-market? I thought only NASDAQ and NYSE shares could trade outside of market hours.
Posted by nomed on :
Back down to .181 an ask...
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
Looks like there is A LOT of attention on this stock right now. People just want to get in...
Posted by stocks1984 on :
could today be the dip day?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Looks like they're trying hard to shake
Posted by stocks1984 on :
this might dip red due to big run yesterday?
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
What exactly is the bid//ask???
Posted by PCola77 on :
I don't think so. There is too much buy pressure. Bid is above ask, I thikn the MMs are trying to shake some people out. I'm sure it will work for a bit, but I'd be absolkutely SHOCKED if this wasn't higher than the open by 10:00
Posted by no_patience on :
Hey,
Yes the restrictions. I am on Ameritrade. The old jphc do not show a symbol, just the n/a original qty and eventually accross the column, my 100% loss.
But, when I go to GainsKeeper, I see the PAIV shares calculated at the correct qty and I see....
I am a millionaire !!!
Stupid restrictions....
Posted by PCola77 on :
My L2 shows bid above ask. .176x.171
quote:Originally posted by KittyKatGiRL: What exactly is the bid//ask???
Posted by R.A. on :
Can't get filled!
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: How are all these shares being traded pre-market? I thought only NASDAQ and NYSE shares could trade outside of market hours.
Not positive about this, but Pinks don't report anything. We are now in the OBB stocks, they have to report, (earnings, etc.) they list those things, which means this stock is on one of the big boards. I think... Posted by PCola77 on :
If you can't get filled while the price is DROPPING, then that's manipulation at its best. Ridiculous.
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: Can't get filled!
Posted by sportsguy on :
I guess we knew there would be a dip eventually!
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
cant get filled either!
Posted by The Phat Man on :
is anyone except me seeing the bid completely holding at .176 ???? total BS!!
Posted by R.A. on :
So I'm not alone who can't get filled! These MM'S! I tried 10 times between the bid and ask.
Posted by 4Tune4Me on :
Huge drops are on really low volumes...this is a shake folks...
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
MM's are playing games.
Posted by tonicma on :
PURe BS, look at MM bid higher than ASK.
They are just taking out the early sellers but not selling to people.
LOL
Posted by PCola77 on :
I'm typically not a conspiracy theorist, but if a number of people can't get filled and the price dropped below their bid, then something's up.
R.A. and ARTEACHER, did the price ever drop below your bid? What did you set your buy at?
Posted by stocks1984 on :
on my level II delay its showing .18 should come, anyone see that?
Posted by R.A. on :
I wanted to get in this one real bad... I guess I'll try later but for now it seems hopeless.
Posted by tonicma on :
FHAL and PAIV both bid higher than ask for the past 15 minutes but FHAL up 40%.
WATCH PAIV jump up BI gTIME.
Posted by R.A. on :
I tried above the ask and between the bid and ask... I tried everything.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
same with CHDT tonic... total f'n BS!!!
Posted by tonicma on :
Here is the thing YOU CAN'T BUY AT THE ASK.
Why because bid is hi9gher than ask.
So you will not get filled at the bid.
MM covering badly right now.
They are getting killed.
Another tactic where basically its a FORCED BUY PREVENTION tactic.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
someone sold at .176
Posted by The Phat Man on :
this is mm manipulation at it's finest.
Posted by R.A. on :
Let's try 0.173
Posted by nomed on :
Just remember 60 million daily volume, we only have 2.5+ million now. Lots of time to play out...
Posted by tonicma on :
RB is messed up. They are 1 hour ahead of us. Wierd.
Lookat time of posting at RB
Posted by The Phat Man on :
quote:Originally posted by stocks1984: someone sold at .176
that was dumb :-)
Posted by stocks1984 on :
boom!
Posted by R.A. on :
Anyone got filled this morning?
Posted by therustytrombone on :
wish those free L2's weren't busted Posted by coalkickin on :
Don't Sell.....!!!
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
still cant get filled...
Posted by tonicma on :
Here we go back to normal but that wasw crazy shake. MM buys but prevents retail buys.
Posted by 4Tune4Me on :
If they just got .184 why drop to .18? So much for an orderly market.
Posted by PCola77 on :
9:53 to be exact
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: I'd be absolutely SHOCKED if this wasn't higher than the open by 10:00
Posted by 4Tune4Me on :
.185
Posted by R.A. on :
Guess I'll have to watch this one as I can't get in...
Posted by tonicma on :
See, not much of a shake and one of the most wierd BS shakes ever.
I havbn't swee that kind of shake for a EVER.
Man, MM are desperate. and they are showing it.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by coalkickin: Don't Sell.....!!!
Should we be setting our shares X 1.00 so the MM's can't use them to cover for the moment???
Posted by R.A. on :
0.20 already
Posted by tonicma on :
Oh manbm, lets do 20% today, than another 400% tomororw.LOL
But moving according to plan for my 30 to 40 cent close today as posted yesterday.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by coalkickin: Don't Sell.....!!!
no way , i have restrictedshares so retrobution time mine shares are very expensive Posted by PCola77 on :
I set a sell order for my shares at $5 for now. I'm sure I'd really sell well below that, but I believe it can get there. Maybe I'm nuts...
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: Guess I'll have to watch this one as I can't get in...
Try a Limit order, I get filled fast on those. Posted by therustytrombone on :
tonic's getting real excited again... awesome
Posted by R.A. on :
ARTTEACHER or someone else... did you get filled?
Posted by R.A. on :
nomed...
I tried a limit order, it didn't work...
Did you do it this morning?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Yup...limit order didnt work for me...damn
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
My order is in to sell X 5 bucks too. Now the MM's can't use my shares to play with since they are on order!!!
Posted by tonicma on :
I mean 200% today. LOL
Man, doesn't take much to move it up.
MM now just buying it all up at any porice.;
LOL, I am not selling until $1 and ONLy partial sell.
Posted by 4Tune4Me on :
.0065....Huge mistake...HUGE
Posted by sportsguy on :
.0065 on scottrade... LOL
Posted by therustytrombone on :
someone sold 55400 * .0065 -- wow they blew it
Posted by atleast on :
I tried the market order - didn't work either
Posted by R.A. on :
Man I hate when that happens... want to get in... can't get filled and see it fly...
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: My order is in to sell X 5 bucks too. Now the MM's can't use my shares to play with since they are on order!!!
me too LOL
Posted by NEL on :
can't get filled over the ask either
Posted by tonicma on :
From RB broad but VERY INTERESTING
MM DON'T HAVE THE DAMN SHARES AT ALL.
Repost Very Important about Brokers and Paiv Shares
I talked three hours today to the Paiv Transfer Agent at Phone #1- 303-783-9055 and to Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900. This is what I found out.
I would first suggest that you find out the phone number of your broker’s Compliance Dept as I did and call them to request your Paiv Restricted Shares be sent to you in your name to your home address.
You must do this otherwise the Brokerages will not do anything to help you. They are out to help themselves... The Transfer Agent and the Company Paiv have done everything they can do, it’s the Brokerages that are not cooperating because they shorted JPHC and Paiv., they got greedy and are now caught in that greed, it is up to the Shereholders of JPHC to start complaining to their Brokerage Compliance Dept. that serves him or her. You as a client signed an agreement with your Brokerage Firm and have every right to do this. The Brokerages have been telling everyone different stories to buy time because they are making huge money from shorting JPHC and PAIV.
This is what I found out today July 14, 2006 about Scottrade who is my broker about my JPHC Shares. Now remember other Brokerages are doing the same thing .This is in three Parts A, B and C.
Part A
All of our JPHC Shares were held in CEDE&CO. All of out JPHC Shares were sent to the PAIV Transfer Agent by CEDE&CO.
The Transfer Agent has all the names and share totals for all JPHC shareholders that were sent to them by CEDE&CO.
This was done two months ago. The Transfer Agent faxed all Brokerages two months ago with detailed instructions for the Brokerages to follow.so that the JPHC shares could be converted to PAIV restricted Shares and sent to the owners of those Paiv Restricted Shares at their home address.
The Transfer Agent asked for the Name, Address, Social Securtity number and the amount of JPHC Shares held in the clients account.
Now how hard is this to do, it is all done electronically.
The Transfer Agent right now has all the PAIV Restricted Shares ready to be mailed out to us at our home addresses.
So why would the Brokerages not do what the Transfer Asked them to do. This is why.
Part B
I found this out while talking to the Transfer Agent, The Transfer Agent added up all the JPHC Shares that CEDE&CO sent them.
There was a HUGE Discrepency in the total JPHC share count that CEDE&CO sent to the Transfer Agent compared to what the Brokerage Participents Share Count.stated.
Why? Because a large number of brokers loaned out JPHC Shares to other participants to cover short sales which caused the huge share price drop in Paiv which caused the huge share number difference in what CEDE&CO sent the Transfer Agent compared to the Brokerage Participants JPHC totals.
For Scottrade my Broker they loaned JPHC Shares to Merill Lynch.
Other Brokerages did the same thing with many different brokerage Firms.
For Scottrade to correct this situation they have to demand the return of all the JPHC Shares from Merill Lynch or Scottrade has to buy in Merill Lynch based on the original transaction with merill Lynch.
This is what Scottrade is trying to get out of and why they along with other brokerage firms are not cooperating with the Transfer Agentfor PAIV.
The Brokerages also want to keep your PAIV Restricted Shares in their own Vault. Why? So when the restriction is lifted they can short the shares and start this process all over again.
They can not do this if you have the Shares in your name held by you. Here is the PAIV Press release for June29, 2006 stating the procedure for the Brokers to follow. I called my Broker Scottrade on June 30, 2006 and was told everything would be taken care of by Scottade and they knew of the Press release issued by Paiv. I called again on July 13, 2006 and was told that my JPHC shares were sent to the T/A and that within 5 days i should have my Paiv shares. I called again on july 14, 2006 and was told by numerous parties that Compliance was aware of the situation and working on it. I asked for the Compliance Dept number and received another story. I then called the Transfer Agent along with Loyola. The Transfer Agent talked to Scottrade and gave them specific Instrutions for the second time. These conversations took 3 hours. Press Release June 29, 2006 Paiv. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060629/0140620.html
PartC
This is what I was advised to do after tallking to the Transfer Agent of Paiv phone # 1-303-783-9055 and the Investor Relation firm Loyola used for Paiv phone # 1-702-317-2300.
I also found out there will be a fee of $25.00 per Cert. If you have two accounts it is $50.00.
By all means call numbers I listed above and ask your own Questions. Use my post for a reference and remember the Broker is out for themselves and making money, expect to be told stories by all the Brokerage firms involved in this fiascal and remember demand your Paiv Restricted Shares sent to your address in your name.
So with this information I found out today and on the advice I was given I called Scottrade Compliance Dept and left a message that I as a Scottrade Clinent and shareholder of JPHC shares will file an SEC Compaint against Scottrade for their refusal in cooperating with the above parties mentioned in giving me my Paiv Restricted Shares that I am entitled to mailed to my home address in my name.. I stated that if I did not have my Restricted Paiv shares within 10 days from today July 14, 2006 I would begin my SEC Complaint. against Scottrade, I will also file a Complaint with
Expect a song and dance from your Brokers saying that Latimere and DTC are involved. Do not fall for this and verify what I am posting here with the Paiv Transfer Agent..
Also I found out that the only way to stop Firms from Shorting Stock is for you the client to ask and sign an agreement with your Broker that they are not to loan your shares out. They will not tell you about this agreement you have to ask them for it. If they do loan your shares out you can sue them. Putting a Sell order above the price of a stock does not tie your shares up as some think it stops the firms from shorting.
I hope this helps and call your Compliance Dept right away.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Just got on and i cant believe my eyes. This stock it's a running beast get out of the way guys Posted by coalkickin on :
set my sell at 5.00 also
Posted by tonicma on :
Its running on 25 inch wheels. LOL
Watch it go to $2 no problem. I say by next week end but by than it might even hit $5 at this rate.
right now, selling is just DUMB.
People can't even get in for this stock now.
Not a good stock to flip.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
ton what about today? how high you think
Posted by sportsguy on :
I usually like to go by the "don't chase the price" rule, but I'm having a hard time following that with this one.
Posted by R.A. on :
I'll try to get in a little later... I'm really not happy about it.
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: Its running on 25 inch wheels. LOL
Watch it go to $2 no problem. I say by next week end but by than it might even hit $5 at this rate.
right now, selling is just DUMB.
People can't even get in for this stock now.
Not a good stock to flip.
You know Tonic I was skeptical when you said that it has the chance to hit 1$ but than I see the deal with this stock and than you said 2$ possible also. I hope you are wrong and it surpasses your guesses Posted by tonicma on :
6 million traded so far
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: nomed...
I tried a limit order, it didn't work...
Did you do it this morning?
Nope, sorry. Got in yesterday at at .088. Just tryin to give some ideas. Sucks not being able to get in, just tryin to help...
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
IN!!! hope it keeps running
Posted by tonicma on :
Today I think at least 30 cents, as said before but I think 40 cents if not 50 cents is achievable.
Posted by R.A. on :
Oh I see... well I appreciate it... and GLTA... I'll try on later.
Some people on other boards said they can't get filled at 0.29... that's kinda strange.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
I just got filled after 5 minutes waiting at 1 cent above the ask
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocks1984: ton what about today? how high you think
ton any predictions?
Posted by tonicma on :
R.A its hard to get filled becaseu MM are not selling it to retail people,
So if you sell now you truely miss out later on.
Posted by R.A. on :
I see... so retail people are holding on tight.
I should have got in this yesterday... but I'm not gonna start with the shoulda coulda woulda... it's allright.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
looks like fhal and paiv are near the same percentage?
Posted by tonicma on :
Here comes the shake, funny stuff 9million traded.
About half of the o/s now
PPS is irrelevant right now, you just look at the o/s flipping over and over and over again.
PPS will be relevant to paint apretty picture on you account at eod.
Posted by R.A. on :
For the ones who got in today, what was your bid?
Posted by tonicma on :
That was fast, see how little vol it needed to move up again. MM don't dare to shake it hard.
The harder they shake the more risk of peole buying.
Posted by no_patience on :
Question,
If the PPS goes sky high, is there any chance PAIV would think about unrestricting those shares?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
I got in at .232 and put a limit for .24...looks like I made a mistake, should have known this 5000000% gainer wouldnt keep it up lol.
Posted by R.A. on :
hehe
I'll try again.
Posted by R.A. on :
Allright... got in at 0.226... it's ok I guess...
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: Allright... got in at 0.226... it's ok I guess...
Well I got in yesterday at .10 hoping just to make a few % return and so far im up 126 % so you never know R.A. Posted by tonicma on :
about half of the o/s traded
Posted by R.A. on :
Only time can tell. Posted by freddy79 on :
Yeah we have trade 25% of the daily average Vol in 1 hour... just crazy crazy
Posted by tonicma on :
new hod
Posted by stocks1984 on :
boom again!
Posted by stocks1984 on :
.40 looks very likely here, im not pumping but at this rate, .40 coud hit! but more realisticly .30
Posted by jordanm on :
Wow....watch it move......
Posted by tonicma on :
hitting 40c ents is what I predict today.
Posted by freddy79 on :
I think no one should be call a pumper for this stock at all, we all know why its going up. Let's just say we are all guessing as how high it can go that's all Posted by rimasco on :
wow ..the money store is still in business
Posted by jordanm on :
.28
Posted by tonicma on :
17 million.
10 million more and we flip entire float again.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: hitting 40c ents is what I predict today.
sorry i should have quoted your statement from earlier, i was making the statement towards your! keep up the good work buddy! man this is exciting!
Posted by tonicma on :
Be patient, it will break 28 very soon
Posted by therustytrombone on :
TONS of buys came in at .279 and yet the BxA found its way down... no one's getting my shares for awhile.
Posted by R.A. on :
What about tomorrow? Do you expect it to get lower due to the fact that it's friday and a lot of profit takers will be taking their gains home?
Posted by tonicma on :
shake shake shake.
go up abit, shake a big. new highers highs an lows make the move upwards a lot more nicer
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
chewwwwww chewwwwwwwwwwwwww !!
Posted by tonicma on :
we could do entire flaot in 1 hour
Posted by tonicma on :
R.A. personally I don't think it will shake. MM have to cover and it lookst like no where near.
ALSO, again watch volume tomorrow, if it trades the entire float than you can be sure that there will not be a shake, maybe just a minor 10 to 20% sell off at the eod.
We will see.
Posted by R.A. on :
So the 0.40 is still holding for today?
Posted by R.A. on :
There is just that little thing I want to ask TONICMA since you seem very informed. How did you know about the MM's covering their shorts? Where did you get that information from?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Read the original PAIV thread, there's DD from probably 20-30 different people.
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: There is just that little thing I want to ask TONICMA since you seem very informed. How did you know about the MM's covering their shorts? Where did you get that information from?
Posted by brackep on :
can anyone update me with the exact bid ask plz ? thx
Posted by R.A. on :
Ok... but that specific information about MM's covering their shorts originally comes from what source? That's what I want to know.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
was that 165000 trade a buy or sell?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
When is this thing going to be covered and dropping back down again? How long do we have?
Posted by stocks1984 on :
wait a minute just saw sell and buy order at "0" shares?
Posted by PCola77 on :
There is no "source" thre's just educated guesses based on the fact that on the day the restricted shreas were sold, something like 1.5 billion shares were traded, and even if every single share bought since that day was Ameritrade covering shorts (which we all know is not true since I and a lot of others here have bought over that time) they couldn't have coevered them all, mathematically.
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: Ok... but that specific information about MM's covering their shorts originally comes from what source? That's what I want to know.
Posted by tonicma on :
R.A. it is difficult to say but it seems it was pretty obvious when the divi is restricted but people were stating they could sell sell sell. And that vol in the billion for 2 days kinda made it pretty obvious.
This stock ONLY has 27 million shares yet it was able to trade over 1 billion in 2 days time with price decreaseing.
How is that possible.
You put it all together and its pretty obvious
Posted by R.A. on :
OK I see... thanks PCOLA77.
Posted by tonicma on :
PPS irrelevant.
VOLUME IS KEY.
Almost at the 27 millionm share mark
Posted by brackep on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: When is this thing going to be covered and dropping back down again? How long do we have?
Anyone got an answer to this question ?
Posted by yolkarmy on :
coming down hard
Posted by R.A. on :
And... what about the PPS for today... it seems it has started to fold a little bit there in the mid 20's... do you expect it to pass the 0.30's this afternoon?
Posted by freddy79 on :
Im just throwing my guess around 2 weeks probably , maybe even more....
Posted by PCola77 on :
The real answer is that no one knows. But theoretically speaking, we can be pretty sure, but obviosuly not positive, that between everyone here holding, it's not possible tha tthe entire short position could be covered. Thta's why there is literally unlimited upside potential if people truly hold as much as they claim, and don't sell.
quote:Originally posted by brackep:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: When is this thing going to be covered and dropping back down again? How long do we have?
Anyone got an answer to this question ?
Posted by therustytrombone on :
weak hands... weak hands
Posted by tonicma on :
still sticking with my 30 to 40 cents.
this is just a shake. but not much volume though, only 3 million traded off this shake
Posted by freddy79 on :
You can be sure that Im gonna be holding my lil stake of shares which its bout 8K. I'm holding so tightly
Posted by R.A. on :
So the PPS drop for now is mainly due to weak hands afraid of the MM's shake? Because the MM's absolutely need these shares to cover their shorts and if no one sells... then the PPS will go higher du to the fact that the demand is higher than the offer... am I right?
Posted by freddy79 on :
3 more mil and the float would have been traded today just wow
Posted by freddy79 on :
I believe alot of us here at allstocks are holding strong, we do know however that Tonic will be selling some partial shares since hes been honest and letting us know. But for the most part I think we are holding strong aren't I right guys Posted by R.A. on :
Another question: I'm sorry for bombarding you guys with questions... but what is the interest of knowing the entire float has been trader today... how is that relevant? Just the fact that there's a lot of volume and interest for the stock or is there something else to it?
Posted by tonicma on :
Trading entire float bscially means somehting like this.
you have 10 similar houses on market.
You buy it all at say average of $500,000
So now your bottomw line is average $500,000.
You won't sell for a loss so you will sell it higher.
Get my ptoint
selling entire flaot means the float exhanged exhanged hands to a new owner which than means stock will go higher unless you want to take a loss.
Again, for this stock, the entire float trading is not the actual stock since We sontrol a lot of stock. which mean the ACTUAL FLOAT TRADEABLE is lower.
Get my point.
Posted by R.A. on :
Get you! Thanks for the explanation.
Posted by freddy79 on :
What a shake that was from .26 to .22 on 1 mil vol. aren't the MM's desperate Posted by sportsguy on :
It appears the shake isn't over yet...
Posted by freddy79 on :
just noticed that too, me isnt scare though Posted by tonicma on :
yeap, pretty obvious its a shake.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Wow, that is a huge shake, and yet it's still positive for the day.
Posted by coalkickin on :
heck of a shake... Posted by yolkarmy on :
all on board, next stop.. 16
Posted by freddy79 on :
A horrible horrible shake, why must the MM's do this to us.... I need my mommy Posted by tonicma on :
Well, peole could of flipped it, but than it was pretty dangerous to flip this stock.
Posted by freddy79 on :
I don't think I have the balls to flip this stock, cuz than again I might not be able to get in again. Now that would be a horrible day Posted by R.A. on :
So you guys are positive it will go higher after lunch like it did yesterday?
Posted by tonicma on :
we are now traded over the float.
Posted by freddy79 on :
The float has been traded all ,it only took 2 hours.
Posted by tonicma on :
its lunchm oh yeah it is. I guess its pretty nice shake before lunch.
Posted by sportsguy on :
Just curious, what's been the high of the day?
Posted by R.A. on :
I guess so... I'm still shaking!
hehe kidding
Posted by coalkickin on :
it's down 60% off it's HOD...
Posted by sportsguy on :
Just curious, what's been the high of the day?
Posted by R.A. on :
0.35
Posted by tonicma on :
yeahp it sure is.
I fyou ask me they might actually shake it for now and not shake at all tomorrow.
intraday consolidation than run up.
Posted by PCola77 on :
It was never really .35.
the real high was .285.
Posted by R.A. on :
But why do I have 0.35? Where does that come from?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Same way the low of the day was .0065, just a mistake
Posted by R.A. on :
OK
Posted by The Phat Man on :
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: But why do I have 0.35? Where does that come from?
fat finger or something... person might have meant to put in at .25 instead of .35 just guessing.
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
Ok, so the short termers were shaken out on the last fall, hopefully we get new, lasting support from here on out....
Posted by sportsguy on :
Man is this exciting or what? I'm sure it's nerve racking for many of you, but with the little I have invested, I'm enjoying the ride.
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
BACK IN THE 20's!
Posted by R.A. on :
I'd be happy if it ends in the 30's this afternoon.
Posted by nomed on :
Lions, tigers and PAIV's.. ohhh my! LOL
Posted by PCola77 on :
I'm trying not to get too excited one way or the other, but watching the portfolio change by thousands of dollars in 10 minute spans is tough
quote:Originally posted by sportsguy: Man is this exciting or what? I'm sure it's nerve racking for many of you, but with the little I have invested, I'm enjoying the ride.
Posted by tonicma on :
So who sold at that BS shake.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
she's inchin' back up...
Posted by R.A. on :
That's nice:P
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: So who sold at that BS shake.
Whats that you selling on that shake Tonic........just kidding I ain't selling yet and plus I only have 8k shares so I'm gonna take my time to make the most of it Posted by The Phat Man on :
definitely need more buying pressure to match close to hod. it did happen yesterday though, mostly after about 1pm.
Posted by tonicma on :
Nope havn't sold yet.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: So who sold at that BS shake.
NOT ME!
Posted by rimasco on :
you drinkin malox on the rocks?
Hats off to holders that was a crazy shake
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: you drinkin malox on the rocks?
Hats off to holders that was a crazy shake
TELL ME ABOUT IT, I WAS DRIVING TO WORK AND VIEWING IN real time on my blackberry
Posted by rimasco on :
i dont know if i would call that a B.S. shake
I would call it people locking in profit in time to make Forbes list Posted by stocks1984 on :
seems that i does not want to go any higher for a while now. MM's must be holding this back hard.
Posted by tonicma on :
See how the volume slowed down, it lunch time but also, they are taking it up slowly to take out any limit sell orders.
When we finish next leg up will occur.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
tonicma, man you need to stick around on allstocks for a long time, you are very good at what you do and provide really good info. thanks again.
by the way im holding my shares for that next leg up Posted by The Phat Man on :
baby steps now.... good sign imo
Posted by PCola77 on :
If hes telling the truth about his shares, I doubt he'll be here long, as he'll be retired as soon as he sells!
quote:Originally posted by stocks1984: tonicma, man you need to stick around on allstocks for a long time, you are very good at what you do and provide really good info. thanks again.
by the way im holding my shares for that next leg up
Posted by yayplaya on :
tonic, i rmember when this was around 6 cents you had already become a millionaire...are you a multi millionaire now? lol
Posted by stocks1984 on :
just seems were at a higher percentage during this time hour before we run hard to the close. any thoughts why this is maintaining around the .21 level
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
Let's get through lunch and look for the sprouting of an EOD run here.
Posted by freddy79 on :
If you think our shakes are somewhat horrible, you guys should take a look at FHAL, now those are some huge huge shakes so unreal
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
Slow and steady ALWAYS wins the race!!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Looks to be starting its next run.
quote:Originally posted by stocks1984: just seems were at a higher percentage during this time hour before we run hard to the close. any thoughts why this is maintaining around the .21 level
Posted by stocks1984 on :
the train is leaving .. all aboard!
Posted by freddy79 on :
Well for now the stock already has passed the % gain I was looking for today, but greedy me always wants more % though Posted by dbrownRC on :
who the f is TRLN...i havent seen them on L2s the entire run...they need to get their asses off of the ask so this thing can go
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Well for now the stock already has passed the 50% gain I was looking for today, but greedy me always wants more % though
Posted by yolkarmy on :
next stop...30 all on board
Posted by The Phat Man on :
i'm in the process of switching over L2 providers so i don't have L2s until monday or tuesday... please could someone tell me if that recent 200,000 block was a buy or sell? thanks,
Posted by PCola77 on :
Looks like both. It looks like there were a bunch of mirror trades going through.
quote:Originally posted by The Phat Man: i'm in the process of switching over L2 providers so i don't have L2s until monday or tuesday... please could someone tell me if that recent 200,000 block was a buy or sell? thanks,
Posted by dbrownRC on :
these guys need shares so bad...im pretty sure that the date that the TA needs everyone with shares on record is tomorrow...is this true? anyone know for sure?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Heck ya the MM's need shares to cover those butts! I will make them pay since they make me wait sooooo long on other stocks!
SWEET!!! I love coming home to some green!
Posted by dbrownRC on :
so basically everything has to be covered by the EOD tomorrow
Posted by freddy79 on :
Here comes a shake!!!!
Posted by kermit42 on :
I finally got in this morning at 18.6 (end of shake). Too late for the big advances, but it's nice to watch a stock I have money in do something. My other holdings are boring the crap out of me.
dbrownRC, is that good information on covering? I'm guessing that once the covering is done, this will fall hard, so timing it right matters.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Here we go again. L2's wound up and ready to move!! BIG $$$
Posted by freddy79 on :
Is that right tomorrow's is the day they will be covering all???
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Is that right tomorrow's is the day they will be covering all???
that would be nice to know , and what happens if they don't cover?
Posted by dbrownRC on :
i dont know for sure...my buddy has restricted shares and he called scottrade and thats what they said about when everyone would be on record...this is what he told me...i dont have restricted shares but im just thinking that the longer you hold up until the afternoon tomorrow, probably the better price youll get if this is ture
Posted by R.A. on :
What's the deal with the share covering? If tomorrow's the final day, we can expect a soar in the PPS this afternoon and tomorrow.
Does anyone have this info?
Posted by freddy79 on :
Yeah that's what Im trying to figured out. So if that were to happened what would happened for this stock on late afternoon close to EOD, would this tank???? Oh great now I'm panicking Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
well i just got off the phone with firstrade, and asked when i would be recieving my restriced shares , and she stumbled for an answer ,LOLOLOL , and said they were "supposed to have confirmed this morning , but have not heard yet" , so i said in other word , yall don't know , she said "correct" , i said i'll call back tommorrow.
Posted by R.A. on :
So what does that mean in other words?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: So what does that mean in other words?
that they don't know anything , seems real hush-hush operation to me , but i am holding my paiv shares tight
Posted by R.A. on :
So for now... nothing is sure... ok.
What about this afternoon, do you expect a run like yesterday or a pullback?
Posted by dbrownRC on :
anyone know what MM TRLN is? thanks...
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: So for now... nothing is sure... ok.
What about this afternoon, do you expect a run like yesterday or a pullback?
if yer talking to me , i've nothing but speculation , ull wanna ask tonic or rim that stuff Posted by R.A. on :
It seems to me that the volume has slowed down in the afternoon, can this mean something?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: I say it does a 200% gain today and gap up tomorrow.
I think 20cents is VERY p;ossible today with a move tomorrow.
Understand PAIV is VERY different.
Did you not forget that the actual certs are suppose to be mailed out to shareholders within the next 3 days.
Add up the people requestions certs, that means they have about 10 days to cover the o/s.
Thus the massive increas in pps.
Tijke is not on their side.
Posted the 19th July
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by dbrownRC: anyone know what MM TRLN is? thanks...
Tradelink Securities, LLC
CHICAGO, IL 312-264-2183
Posted by sportsguy on :
Could it just be the lunch time lull? I guess only time will tell.
Posted by R.A. on :
Yeah beacause it really slowed down.
Still 2h15 before market close... we'll see.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
were is tonicma?
Posted by freddy79 on :
Wait I thought people would me mail their CERT in about 10 days or something like that. Your supposed to return it to the TA so you can go on record for your restricted shares. So how would tomorrow will be the last day for covering doesn't make sense. I think tomorrow they might start sending out the CERT, so I don't think you will go on record until you have send them back the CERT Right???
Posted by dbrownRC on :
thanks blackbeard...today is the only day ive seen them on eitehr the bid or ask...theyve been controlling it for the last hour now...kind of weird
Posted by charger on :
Glad i held my 100k of jphc... i know i have to hold it at least a year... but if it is near the price it is now,,,, it will be worth thousands
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
He's been right on so far so I'll have to HOLD and prob buy a few more thousand shares.
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: stocks1984.
It is only weds.
At the rate we are going today we will go 100% no problem and with panic buying I say 200%.
now add that MM have about 10 days sent out the certs for paiv divis. MM have 10 days so 2 weeks time to cover all the NSS.
Get my point.
You will continue to see the upward rist os pps in increaseing force with of course dips fo about 20 to 30% along the way. i say the first dip occurs friday. Because stocks like this runs in 3 waves than retrace with the 3rd wave being the more pps movment.
so I can say that we will probably see 20 by eow, but I project that we hit something like 30 to 40 cents before the shake.
than conintu moving to $1 early next week.
Remember as we near the 10 day cert mailing the pps will be more aggressive.
Posted by R.A. on :
So we might close below the 0.20's today?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Heck NO!!! And ya'll gotta remember Tonicma owns more than the entire float! Hold for the GOLD.
Posted by freddy79 on :
People are packinging and getting fool by MM's..... Damm you fools Posted by R.A. on :
Cause it's not really moving now... MoneyMoneyMoney... you expect a rally later on?
Posted by stocks1984 on :
tonicma you see this going over 100 percent today? seems to be holding back
Posted by R.A. on :
These MM's are doing a great job... damn MM's!
hehe
Posted by PCola77 on :
Another shake. Still up over 30% for the day. Even the shakes are getting weaker. Not a lot of people willing to sell anymore.
Posted by freddy79 on :
To be more realistic I think we might come close to 50 % gain today JMHO
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
MM's must really not like us...been trying to tame her, but they just can't!
Posted by R.A. on :
Poeple don't seem like they want to give their shares aways... at least for now...
Posted by freddy79 on :
This MM's will need to pry them away from my kung fu grip Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: Cause it's not really moving now... MoneyMoneyMoney... you expect a rally later on?
IMO we will see a EOD rally! I say anywhere after .25. With us coming in and buying the shares the MM's were "supposed" to get I feel very comfortable holding, even over the weekend.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
I thought the MM's were to send the certs to T/A and they in turn will send out new certs for PAIV to the shareholder. Is this not the case? Should I expect something in the mail from TDA?
Posted by therustytrombone on :
I love how a bunch of buys come in and the BxA starts to drop down
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by therustytrombone: I love how a bunch of buys come in and the BxA starts to drop down
How dare do the MM's do that to us, sneaking *******s Posted by stocks1984 on :
has anyone heard from tonicma?
Posted by sportsguy on :
Nope, must have finally taken his money and ran!
Posted by freddy79 on :
Not really , he hasnt been here for bout an hour or so. Wait a min could he be dumping his millions shares. Oh snapz we been duped ...........j/k
Posted by R.A. on :
Yeah I think so too... he's enjoying his cash!
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
You guys realize that we have consistenly had 55 Mill volume for so long....BUT, the share price has gone so high since that time that the dollars traded per day have been shooting up day after day, even thought the # of shares is around the same.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
well we all know that he's on his comp. viewing the stock
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Stocks1984 - how are things in big "D"
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by KittyKatGiRL: You guys realize that we have consistenly had 55 Mill volume for so long....BUT, the share price has gone so high since that time that the dollars traded per day have been shooting up day after day, even thought the # of shares is around the same.
It has been averaging bout that mark for the last 10 days or so
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by Karma Earl: Stocks1984 - how are things in big "D"
hot!lol over 100 degrees right now, staying cool indoors.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Hot is where I am - Baghdad 115 -120
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by Karma Earl: Stocks1984 - how are things in big "D"
were are you abouts in texas?
Posted by Karma Earl on :
I live in Grand Prairie - Been here over a year now.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
quote:Originally posted by Karma Earl: Hot is where I am - Baghdad 115 -120
stationed there?
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Not stationed but I work with Military
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Nice... My realtime streamer just crapped out.. Thanks TDA
Posted by R.A. on :
At what time did PAIV soared yesterday? Was it allday long or at the EOD?
Posted by stocks1984 on :
i think if took off around 2 est time, i thought
Posted by PCola77 on :
Looking at the chart it looks like it was pretty steady gains for most of the day but a decent spike in the last half hour or so.
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: At what time did PAIV soared yesterday? Was it allday long or at the EOD?
Posted by R.A. on :
mmm... let's see what happens now...
Posted by R.A. on :
Do you guys expect something big before the EOD or are you more conservative with your predictions?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
oops, post was already answered.
PAIV a movin
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
Seeing positive movement now....nearing the end of day
Posted by stocks1984 on :
damn it, looks like its selling off?
Posted by sportsguy on :
Can we hold .20 into the close Posted by therustytrombone on :
seems to be moving very easily either way with spurts of volume
Posted by R.A. on :
Total indecision about the way it's going.
Posted by KittyKatGiRL on :
I'm out of this for now....been in it since .077, it's been fun. Will be looking to get back in...
Posted by The Phat Man on :
daytrader's dream day with 10% to 20% swings with real obvious low points at every turn.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Yup. Always protect your capital and take some profit to keep you in the game. Anything green is good!
I will hold. Nice job ya'll .
Posted by sportsguy on :
Last hour volume sure isn't what it was yesterday...
Posted by R.A. on :
I don't think a stock than ran like this one in the AM can die like that in the PM when MM's are short.
Posted by stocks1984 on :
im out too made 50% not bad for one day
Posted by R.A. on :
What about tomorrow morning?
Posted by sportsguy on :
Better than me. Broke even and I don't know if I want back in tomorrow.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Big shake?
Posted by R.A. on :
Is there big blocks of buys?
Posted by R.A. on :
94 000$ Buy
Posted by sportsguy on :
I wonder if we'll close the day where we started?
Posted by R.A. on :
I hope not... I want to get out and break even... but I'll probably have to take a loss there.
Posted by tonicma on :
I've sold another $300,000 worth of my stock. But still holding a lot.
Need to take some more off the table cause my account is looking too good not to take some off.
Considering PAIM paid off so far with 300% gain.
Posted by R.A. on :
Sold with a slight loss... I didn't want to take the risk of holding it tomorrow... people are selling hard.
Congrats to everybody who made some money today... cheers to the ones who broke even and better luck to those who lost! Posted by R.A. on :
Tonicma... you had 300 000$ worth of PAIV?
Posted by R.A. on :
Look at it drop... good thing I took my small loss.
Posted by therustytrombone on :
big block buying before the close.. people hoping for another gap tomorrow am?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Wow, I'm absolutely floored by how many of you sold.
This still has a ton of upside. I'm holding on. Should still close positive or close to it for the day.
Good luck to you all and hopefully you'll make as much with your other trades as I do with PAIV form here on out.
Posted by sportsguy on :
At least it ended on an uptick!
Posted by tonicma on :
I had about 40million of this stock. But now its about 34million or so approzimatley.
But still holding a lot.,
Posted by PCola77 on :
Wow, you haven't been paying attention, have you?
Not to be a smartass, but I have a feeling that you'll be regretting selling in a couple of days.
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: Tonicma... you had 300 000$ worth of PAIV?
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Wow, I'm absolutely floored by how many of you sold.
This still has a ton of upside. I'm holding on. Should still close positive or close to it for the day.
Good luck to you all and hopefully you'll make as much with your other trades as I do with PAIV form here on out.
Yeah same kinda thought here, why would they sell with the upside still with this stock , the only person that I understand taking profits is Tonic, cuz knowing that he does has lot of shares he needs to sell in partial but why would moslty everybody here sell. Oh well
Posted by R.A. on :
Tonicma... you play the game real hard...
I mean it must be really rewarding when you end up positive, like in that case, but it must really hurt when it goes down!
What's your technique for minimizing the risks?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Wow, I'm absolutely floored by how many of you sold.
This still has a ton of upside. I'm holding on. Should still close positive or close to it for the day.
Good luck to you all and hopefully you'll make as much with your other trades as I do with PAIV form here on out.
what he said i'm holdin Posted by therustytrombone on :
anyone else think that tonic selling appx 6 million shares helped pressure the stock downward... and normal buying pressure will resume tomorrow?
Posted by R.A. on :
Well I think that people were waiting for something bigger than what happened in the afternoon and they got discouraged and got out.
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: I had about 40million of this stock. But now its about 34million or so approzimatley.
But still holding a lot.,
Damm tonic, too much shares. I think I found the resposinble culprit for the drop in the price, it was you. Why you , nah really
Im still holding strong Posted by Karma Earl on :
Still holding. I think we'll be fine
Posted by PCola77 on :
Yikes. People need to realize that this stock is up 3300% in the last couple of weeks, and certainly some people will sell to take their profits, but the longer term outlook for this is unbelievable.
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: Well I think that people were waiting for something bigger than what happened in the afternoon and they got discouraged and got out.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Agree Cola. I think everyone got spoiled over the last couple of weeks with the run and are expecting it everyday.
Posted by R.A. on :
Yeah you might be right PCola77... but you know... I kinda panicked a little and I got in at 0.226... which might not be the case of some other people on this board... so I took a loss... maybe it was a mistake... but I'll keep an eye on it.
Posted by sportsguy on :
I took a small loss also. You think you would learn not to chase these things, but you get caught up in the momentum and next thing you know you're buying!
Posted by tonicma on :
Hi, need to take some profit. I tried not to put too much downward pressure on price. But I do believe it will continue to go up. Again I ONLY sold like 1.5million shares.
That is nowhwere near what MM need to cover.
Again the entire float traded hands today AGAIn.
So you can bet Its gong to go up more. I still stand with my $1 to $2 range.
Also, my technique to minimize risk is
As soon as I can I sell to cover my initial investment.
uaually at 100 to 200% gain.
Than let the rest ride.
For Paiv I know they had to cover the shares so I did not sell too much cause I realized that the entire vol does not match up to the may 18 to 19 volume plus the fact that the o/s is ONLY 27mill.
So it was pretty obvious.
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by therustytrombone: anyone else think that tonic selling appx 6 million shares helped pressure the stock downward... and normal buying pressure will resume tomorrow?
Those were my thoughts exactly when he said that he sold 300,000 worth of stocks today. I'm not sweating it, hey Tonic do us a favor and dont sell any shares tomorrow for the love of god will ya Posted by R.A. on :
Sportsguy... we're human... we make mistakes!
The only thing is to learn from your mistakes.
But sometimes it's rewarding just to buy in the momentum and sometimes you get messed up like this time.
GLTA who are still in it and for your other stocks.
Posted by db on :
sold some today didn't want to but finally took some profit ( enough to pay off my house and own it free and clear, thank you PAIV )still have restricted and unrestricted shares because this ride isn't over!!!!
Today alot of people took profit,and MM's shook weak hands if you bought above .20 I wouldn't worry looks good to me for next week.IMO
Posted by JBravo on :
well I am holding my little bitty shareof PAIV, hoping it will close to atleast a buck
Posted by Karma Earl on :
A buck would be nice. I could payoff the car. Not the house though. Good job DB.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Now, if my restricted come through. The house, car, boat & vacation!
Posted by therustytrombone on :
I need a vacation after watching this stock all day... my blood pressure rises when the stock runs up and rises even more when it starts tanking (thanks, tonic.. haha j/k) ... I still see a good amount of upside so I'm holding!!
Posted by tonicma on :
freddy you got it. I am not sellig tomorrow or next week.
I got enought profit already so no worried.
I'm not a greedy person but non the less I want to make MM suffer for what they did.
Posted by The Phat Man on :
all out here at .245. good luck all!!! (who said pennies are slow in the summer!!! :-) )
Posted by stocks1984 on :
tonicma, what do you see with PAIM? ran pretty hard today, might dip tomorrow considering the run today?
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: freddy you got it. I am not sellig tomorrow or next week.
I got enought profit already so no worried.
I'm not a greedy person but non the less I want to make MM suffer for what they did.
Yeah yeah lets all gather round and hold r shares tightly and lets those damm MM's have at least one 1 stock for all the times they have screwed us bad in 1 or many stock we all have been. No worries Tonic, damm I just noticed PAIM went up 266 % you lucky dog how do you do it???? Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
Whats the concesus for why PAIV dropped so hard today? My guess is that it was from the publicity that drew in more daytraders than normal. The news came around 10something from marketwire and so everyone jumped in and took profit and or freaked and sold out creating some negative momentum. Have to be honest, I came back to my computer after spending time with the Girlfreind and rushed a discision and sold at .174 grrr but I did hold on my original buy at .029 I can't complain but if I had more than 3 months of investment experince (not much in the penny stuff.. which I really am getting drawn into)also needing to keep money so I can pay for college, I prolly wouldn't have sold out. poop on me it's gonna bust out tommarrow and I'll have to buy back in higher:( I really do believe in PAIV, I feel like I committed adultury with PAIV Let me know what your thoghts are. Hey Tonic, you wouldn't want to be my mentor would you?
Posted by PCola77 on :
My guess is prfit taking, then panic selling.
People like me (an many others) that are holding from many hundreds of % gains are willing to ride out the lumps. Some people who bought in in the last day or two got scared and took small profits or small losses. Others saw that and they panicked and sold, not wanting to lose more. I must admit, I had sell orders set up 3 different times today and never pulled the trigger. I am confident we'll see much higher than today's .285 high in the near future.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Im confident as well. It was just profits taking days mostly and some scared sellers. But oh well I still seem an upside to this stock. Some I'm ok with this, bring an early oportunity for buyers to get in tomorrow.
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Im confident as well. It was just profits taking days mostly and some scared sellers. But oh well I still seem an upside to this stock. Some I'm ok with this, bring an early oportunity for buyers to get in tomorrow.
Man I can't spell for ****-e Posted by tonicma on :
I suggest put some money in PAIM.
Watch it hit 1 cent minimum I won't be surpirsed it hits 10 to 20 cents.
Posted by tonicma on :
freddy79, same as you get some hints, do some dd
I Have said several times before the run on PAIM that it is NSS very similar to PAIV.
Lookst like it will come true, lets see what 4 week brings.
To think people say the summer is the worst time to invest.
Who ever said that must be kicking themselfs.
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by tonicma: freddy79, same as you get some hints, do some dd
I Have said several times before the run on PAIM that it is NSS very similar to PAIV.
Lookst like it will come true, lets see what 4 week brings.
To think people say the summer is the worst time to invest.
Who ever said that must be kicking themselfs.
Good idea of putting some money into PAIM, but at the moment since im so poor I have all my hard earn money into PAIV, so once I sell my shares of PAIV either be Monday or Tuesday next or maybe never my measely 8k shares. I will put some money into PAIM , hope by the time I do decide to invest in it still can run a few more laps.
Yeah just read some pages back , might be the same situation with PAIM as you said too Tonic. GLTA that is in at the moment in PAIV and PAIM
Posted by no_patience on :
So ,
Does any know how PAIV is doing as a company?
Any feedback from them about the PPS of their stock. They may be eithe delighted or pissed off to no end?
Posted by the man on :
Héy tonicma how do thick bkmp will do tommorrow
Posted by R.A. on :
Tonicma my man... where do you get all your info... you impress me!
You seem so in control of your picks... how do you proceed to make your picks? What system do you use?
Posted by tonicma on :
I only follow 2 to 3 stocks.
Right now iA only follow PAIm, PAIV, FHAL.
Focus is key in pink sheets since too much stock will cause you to make mistakes and lack DD.
Posted by Batman on :
quote:Originally posted by R.A.: Tonicma my man... where do you get all your info... you impress me!
You seem so in control of your picks... how do you proceed to make your picks? What system do you use?
Something that works is to follow the trading alerts in microcaptrade. If you see a whole bunch of block buys come through(especially after a PR)...it is gonna fly because big traders don't through big money unless it is gonna move. During The runs for XKEM, FHAL, PAIV, and all the others, There were tons of block buys showing up on the trading alerts everyday. The block trade alerts show how many shares and the price, And if you see a bunch of buys over $20,000 it's a hint that this run will last more than a day.
[ July 20, 2006, 20:18: Message edited by: Batman ]
Posted by R.A. on :
BATMAN
Where do you get this specific "trading alerts in microcaptrade".
Then click the Picture to enlarge it. You can see at the top that you can choose to check 4 boxes. If you want to just see the block trades unchek every box except for block trades. Then I sort them by either symbol or time, I usually flip back and forth. Sorting them by symbol will show you which stock is getting the most block trades, and sorting by time will show you the most recent block trades.
Every stock that runs 100% or more in one day, you can look back and look under the block trades, and there will probably be many block trades at the beging of the run and during the run.
[ July 20, 2006, 22:46: Message edited by: Batman ]
Posted by macdrsirules on :
I am just trying to ignore paiv right now. My 2,000 was worth 240,000 earlier today but could not sell due to the restriction. Very difficult to ignore. Congrats to all who did not have restricted shares and made huge bank.
Who knows maybe a higher base will be found and hold for a while.
GLTA
Posted by therustytrombone on :
let's hope for another squeeeeze push today! good morning all..
Posted by PCola77 on :
To R.A. and sportsguy and others who sold yesterday.
I've been heavily researching this whole situation since JPHC and APOA were seperate companies. I understand that you expected a bigger move and got nervous and bailed out, but with how much I know about this stock, I'm holding my shares tightly. I tried to flip it twice, and both times I ended up having to get back in at a higher price. So now I'm just gonna hold through the ups and downs, and I think this will be a big winner in the near future.
I look at it this way, if you put say $1,000 into it now and get 5500 shares, how much would it affect your life if you lost half, or even all of that money? My guess is not a lot. And how much would it affect your life if it went to $1, $2, $10 a share, and your $1,000 was now $5,500, $11,000 or $55,000? In my opinion, the upside here is tremendous. There is always a downside, but I think of it as a jackpot with good odds. I wouldn't recommend putting in more than you're willing to lose, but the same is true of all penny stocks.
Good luck to all, regardless of what you decide.
Posted by therustytrombone on :
small gap up so far...
last trade: .176
current BxA: .178x.179
Posted by nomed on :
I got to agree with PCola77 all. Yesteday was proffit takin & panic sells.
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by nomed: I got to agree with PCola77 all. Yesteday was proffit takin & panic sells.
Can't spell for s**t! Ment yesterday...didn't some one else say this?
Posted by yolkarmy on :
getting killed
Posted by PCola77 on :
Looks like some more selling this morning. My guess is people are selling ot get into PAIM. Having been heavily involved in both of these for a LOOOOOONG time, I have a bad feeling that PAIM is gonna leave a lot of people hurting. For their sake I hope not, but I am pretty confident in saying that there really isn't going to be any kind of short squeeze, and if there is, nothing like the one in PAIV.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
14s coming up
Posted by yolkarmy on :
talk about brutal
Posted by freddy79 on :
Wow I cant believe alot of sellers are being coy by the MM's so bad, just wow oh well more for the ones that are still holding Posted by yolkarmy on :
lmao, its funny.. people blame the mms all the way down to bankruptcy.
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
I;m holding..they could shake all day to day..and next week will be all green..I would if I was them..scare out the daytraders...collect..and then run the hell out of it to cover their shorts...
Posted by yolkarmy on :
next stop 12s
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by ARTTEACHER: I;m holding..they could shake all day to day..and next week will be all green..I would if I was them..scare out the daytraders...collect..and then run the hell out of it to cover their shorts...
Yeah this stock it's not done doing the short squeeze yet , this beast will run again
Posted by yolkarmy on :
rebounding, finally
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
this is what fhal did the day before it ran to a $1.50 if mymemory serves me ,and i sold on that day , not doing that this time
Posted by nomed on :
Seems to have got a base in the ...13's range...
Posted by yolkarmy on :
next stop 12s.. all on board
Posted by therustytrombone on :
when it's going up you sound like a pumper, when it's goign down you sound like a basher... do you hold a position or not yolk? or do you just like to be annoying for attention?
Posted by yolkarmy on :
i wouldn't be here if i didn't hold a position you animal.
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by therustytrombone: when it's going up you sound like a pumper, when it's goign down you sound like a basher... do you hold a position or not yolk? or do you just like to be annoying for attention?
Thank you rusty, I was hodling myself back from saying it, but I was getting annoy already...
Im just gonna hold my damm shares tightly cuz I know this it's going up and no I ain't no pumper Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by therustytrombone: when it's going up you sound like a pumper, when it's goign down you sound like a basher... do you hold a position or not yolk? or do you just like to be annoying for attention?
I agree. You a pal of repoman75? If so F*** off.
Posted by freddy79 on :
let's just all be friends ok Posted by yolkarmy on :
i'm watching the stock, i'm feeling it.. i guess we can only comment on mm conspiracy.
lmao
Posted by freddy79 on :
No wonder we went down everybody took yesterday profits and today's to PAIM, that one still running. Once they get their profits they put it back in PAIV JMHO
Posted by yolkarmy on :
not a very fun friday.. could be worse Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
I'm just assuming this is the 20-30% dip that Tonicma was talking about. People are too impatient and fret way too much! That shortens your life folks. Sit back, relax and wait for next week. THose that got out for their losses or small gains will watch in jealousy.
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: I'm just assuming this is the 20-30% dip that Tonicma was talking about. People are too impatient and fret way too much! That shortens your life folks. Sit back, relax and wait for next week. THose that got out for their losses or small gains will watch in jealousy.
Yes and also daytraders don't hold stocks overnight, let alone a hole weekend.
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
I just bought more and am smiling! I know this sucker will pop next week...10 days until the certs are issued....has to run!
Posted by PCola77 on :
I already had sell orders set up probably a dozen times today and couldn't go through with it. I'm just gonna stop looking and hope for the best. PAIM is starting to come back down, so hopefully some of that money will roll back into here.
Posted by tonicma on :
Still holding today, not worried at all, float almost gone again.
I will not sell today.
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
great time to buy IMO...
Posted by NEL on :
still holding my 35,000 shares... I hope a little goes a long way!
Posted by db on :
look at all the % gains we had in the past 9 days - normally people would say were having alittle retrace , look on RB, IHUB, bashers are out in full force this is MM's playing thier dirty tricks - anybody here really thought they wouldn't try and make money while trying to cover thier short position? they have planned this! MM's flexing thier muscle they have to, they need shares anyway they can get them. price will go back up! IMO
still holding
Posted by JBravo on :
So when is the deadline for issuing cert?
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by ARTTEACHER: I just bought more and am smiling! I know this sucker will pop next week...10 days until the certs are issued....has to run!
Exactly why I didn't fall for the panic selling yesterday or today. So basically we have still 10 days or more of short squeeze, some people are just som impatient oh well to each it's own.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Seems like the interest has died. I wonder if this is the point that I talked about the other day where interest fades for a bit and then another round of "The short squeeze is on!!!!!!" posts begin and the price goes nuts again.
Posted by therustytrombone on :
Also it is friday... tonic could be right.. pullback and then the squeeze continues next week.. we'll see
Posted by yolkarmy on :
i purchased all my paiv yesterday, i sold a small portion to jump into paim, so i could then jump back into paiv. i haven't sold a stock this quickly in a long time.. anyhow, the broker informed me that i can not use any of the money until the 3 days of settlement (since i bought yesterday, funds can't be used till monday); broker is ameritrade.
this b.s.?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Nope, that's an SEC rule I think. As far as I know it's true for all brokers. The easy way around it is to set up a margin account. Basically you paid for the stock yesterday, but when you sold it, you don't get the money for 3 days. So you bought the PAIM with money tha tyou didn't have yet, so basically you borrowed it from Ameritrade. It's called a free ride.
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: i purchased all my paiv yesterday, i sold a small portion to jump into paim, so i could then jump back into paiv. i haven't sold a stock this quickly in a long time.. anyhow, the broker informed me that i can not use any of the money until the 3 days of settlement (since i bought yesterday, funds can't be used till monday); broker is ameritrade.
this b.s.?
Posted by yolkarmy on :
thanks pcola, i thought the guy was giving me b.s. this is the first time i've ever sold this quick into buying.. i wouldn't have bothered to sell that portion of paiv if i knew that were the case.
i also asked him about my new shares of paiv.. he gave me a run around.. had a nice laugh.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Actually, now that I think about it, I kinda thought you could do it and get a warning, and if you did it again the broker has the right to suspend your account from trading. Maybe each broker has differnt rules on it.
Posted by therustytrombone on :
I wonder where support will form...
Posted by sportsguy on :
Hopefully no lower than .10!
Posted by nomed on :
Sorry to say it guys & girls..had to take proffit. Got in at .088. Will get bake in on the run though..
Posted by kermit42 on :
quote: "Remember... no matter where you go, there you are." - Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
I believe that was the hilo flyer in Road Warrior
Posted by db on :
I just got off the phone with PAIV transfer agent # 1-303-783-9055 (my call went right through) and was told that all share holder lists were due today - I asked what happens if the lists are not in by today and was told that the SEC will be notified and a complaint filed. (the female I talked to sounded cute!)
I also called Scottrade compliance dept. # 1-800-888-1980 ext 1900 (agian call went right through) asked if the list was sent and was told it was sent overnight mail and should be there today.
PAIV transfer stated they have not received any lists yet and suggested I call back later in the day . so if you want to know your cert status give them a call later today.
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by kermit42:
quote: "Remember... no matter where you go, there you are." - Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
I believe that was the hilo flyer in Road Warrior
Nope. Thunderdome. The 3rd movie. Mad Max was the 2nd one. When he went to that gas production place in the desert. Posted by JBravo on :
It was painful to watch it go down.. I had to close my streamer, and get backto work.
Posted by 4Tune4Me on :
The bid/ask is all over the place...
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by JBravo: It was painful to watch it go down.. I had to close my streamer, and get backto work.
You did what JBravo , you went back to work how dare you do that , yeah I did the same here Posted by 4Tune4Me on :
Huge bid push...
Posted by 4Tune4Me on :
and....straight back down...shakey shakey.
Posted by bksundar on :
I just bought 30000 at 0.113
Posted by bksundar on :
Bought 17K day before yesterday at 0.16 , sold at 0.22. Bought back 30K at 0.113 . I am expecting huge retuens due to the massive short squeeze ... Goes thru at least two floats each day !!!
Posted by brackep on :
we are going again people
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79:
quote:Originally posted by JBravo: It was painful to watch it go down.. I had to close my streamer, and get backto work.
You did what JBravo , you went back to work how dare you do that , yeah I did the same here
yeah i remember working, not a favorite past time LOL Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by BLACKBEARD:
quote:Originally posted by freddy79:
quote:Originally posted by JBravo: It was painful to watch it go down.. I had to close my streamer, and get backto work.
You did what JBravo , you went back to work how dare you do that , yeah I did the same here
yeah i remember working, not a favorite past time LOL
Yeah I only expect to work about 5 more years, hopefully save around more than 125,000 $ and than just dedicate myself to fully trading. So far I have saved up 19,000 $ and Hopefully by the end of this year should get another 20,000 $ for my part of the share once we sell the house. I want to live the high life pretty soon, yeah I know i'm a dreamer Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
dreaming is what gotme here
Posted by PCola77 on :
I hate this ****. I saw it starting to run up when it was at .12. I put in an order for more shares as soon as I saw it, and to make sure i got filled put my order in at a limit of .15. It didn't fill for over 11 minutes and I finally got filled at .148. Bullsh*t...
Posted by freddy79 on :
By the way how old are you Blackbeard. Im' 27 , man if I had started saving when I first started working , would have had more right now, but oh well learning from previous mistakes it's what its all about Posted by db on :
wow what a shake!! drove the price down with little trades. REMEMBER TODAY IS LAST DAY FOR LISTS TO BE TURNED IN !! - I swear if you go to RB board and look at all the bashing by people who showed up out of nowhere they have to be getting paid to do it! when price goes up they will disappear - TDA covering by any means I really think their screwed - pps going up - a lot of people missed a great buying opp. - next week all new highs GO PAIV!!!!
no matter if your holding restricted or unrestricted up is good!!!!!!!!
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
i'm 35 , i haven't ever saved a penny , i just invest instead of save, rest assured the banks and retirement plans ain't gonna give 100%- 15000% returns they will give u 3% and keep the other 14997%, and say thanks for banking with us. Posted by db on :
[QUOTE] [/I just got off the phone with PAIV transfer agent # 1-303-783-9055 (my call went right through) and was told that all share holder lists were due today - I asked what happens if the lists are not in by today and was told that the SEC will be notified and a complaint filed. (the female I talked to sounded cute!)
I also called Scottrade compliance dept. # 1-800-888-1980 ext 1900 (agian call went right through) asked if the list was sent and was told it was sent overnight mail and should be there today.
PAIV transfer stated they have not received any lists yet and suggested I call back later in the day . so if you want to know your cert status give them a call later today]
lets find out who was a good boy and girl and turned their home work in!
LOL
Posted by freddy79 on :
Oh I don't plan on banking on the banks for any profits that's why the market it's doing. Im just trying to build my portoflio value with little money right now, I aint big time playing right now, thats gonna be later
Yeah just saw that too db..
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Oh I don't plan on banking on the banks for any profits that's why the market it's for. Im just trying to build my portfolio value with little money right now, I aint big time playing right now, thats gonna be later
Yeah just saw that too db..
Posted by PCola77 on :
Geez, PAIM pulled back by over 50% since its high and PAIV just got back more than half of today's losses. I wonder if PAIM people took their profits to get back into a more "sure thing"?
That was painful to watch though for a while.
Posted by bksundar on :
Yep, I did that. I bought 17K of PAIV for 0.159, sold yesterday at .22 Bought a mil of PAIM yesterday at 0.0025. Put a limit order in the morning (based on hunch and hunch alone !!!) for sell at 0.004. Bought back 30K of PAIV at 0.113 this morning !!! Wo hooo...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Next run starting
Posted by 4Tune4Me on :
Now it's running on low volume?...Hmmm.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Up and down we go. This thing it's like a yoyo
Posted by same on :
Scottrade has not Given anything to T/A
I just called the Transfer Agent and he has not received anything from Scottrade call their Compliance Dept. Check my previous posts for phone numbers to T/A and Scottrade with SEC Compaint web site.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Not to be a jerk, just kinda lazy, but would you mind reposting them? I scanned through the last few pages and must have missed your post with the numbers.
quote:Originally posted by same: Scottrade has not Given anything to T/A
I just called the Transfer Agent and he has not received anything from Scottrade call their Compliance Dept. Check my previous posts for phone numbers to T/A and Scottrade with SEC Compaint web site.
Posted by therustytrombone on :
BxA moving easily on low volume... hmmm
Posted by freddy79 on :
I likes me an EOD run Posted by sportsguy on :
I would love to see this close even for the day, but I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Yeah I know how you feel, oh well I guess we will have to wait till Monday Posted by JBravo on :
man.. this board dead today. all the excitement from this week has faded
hopefully PAIV will be alive next week.
have a good weekend.
Posted by sportsguy on :
Not too much to get excited about, except maybe a good entry level???
Posted by therustytrombone on :
looks like people are interested in it for a possible monday gapper/runner
Posted by jordanm on :
Ok. Here we go. Look at the EOD run.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Be nice if we'd get past that HOD.
Jo
Posted by kermit42 on :
Shaping up for a nice close. I will be very happy if we finish even (which was my goal today).
This short run up to EOW is surprising, though. I guess the day traders are out and people are thinking beat the Monday gapper. (That is my hope.)
Posted by db on :
just called transfer agent for PAIV - he has fedx package from scottrade but hasn't opened it (after talking with scottrade compliance dept. earlier I believe its the stock holder lists)
Transfer agent stated nothing from TDAMERITRADE and today is absolutely TDA last day ( should have been in weeks ago.)
get ready for next week!!!!
Posted by therustytrombone on :
tons and tons of shares bought at .165, a few sells and the BxA gets knocked down... hmm
Posted by PCola77 on :
db, I've been following this stock the whole time, but am slightly confused by the deadlines that you and tonicma have been talking about. I'm sure I'm missing something, but what does the deadline for submitting names of people who held JPHC have to do with any deadline for covering?
Seems to me like they are two totally different things. Ameritrade could sumit their list of people who owned JPHC, but how would that make them cover the shares of PAIV that they shorted.
Can you tell me what I'm thinking of improperly?
The whole time I've been accumulating this stocks it's never been with a deadline in mind, it's that at some point in the future all shares will have to be covered.
Thanks for any insight that you can provide.
quote:Originally posted by db: just called transfer agent for PAIV - he has fedx package from scottrade but hasn't opened it (after talking with scottrade compliance dept. earlier I believe its the stock holder lists)
Transfer agent stated nothing from TDAMERITRADE and today is absolutely TDA last day ( should have been in weeks ago.)
get ready for next week!!!!
Posted by tonicma on :
So, who sold at that crazy 50% shake.
Nice shake, but didn't sell any today cause I knew how MM play this game
Posted by sportsguy on :
I bought back in at .15 but decided to hold through the weekend.
Posted by freddy79 on :
I held strong today even though I saw it go down all the way to .091 , Man for a moment I was panicking but than after a good gut check I knew it would be back up. Watchout Monday here we come Posted by freddy79 on :
So how did you know with PAIM today Tonic, did ya sell anything ???
Posted by db on :
The way I understand the situation is :
all certs for restricted shares have to be in by today period, no more extensions etc. if not the TA notifies the SEC
with all certs comes numbers (cusip) this shows how many shares they actually are (restricted)
if there is a naked short position this will give actual numbers of how much is shorted
this stops the brokers from trading phantom shares and they will have to cover
huge short the pps goes up until trading stops or deal made IMO
all in all - TDA not having the list in on time shows to me they are truly short and if the TA notifies the SEC it's another nail in their coffin
Posted by db on :
I meant all shareholder lists of restricted shares
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
So for those of us with unrestricted shares what should we be doing???
Posted by PCola77 on :
But I thought restricted shares were never shorted. The way that I understood it, all of the shares that were traded have had the unrestricted CUSIP number. Ameritrdae hasn't had to report the number of shares that were shorted due to the fact that those shares weren't restricted. I guess I'm still confused. Either way I'm about as close to 100% sure as possible that they will have to cover those shares, and I never expected it to have to be done by this week or next, I figured the hige price run-up was from some unknown ultimatum that Ameritrade got. Mayeb I was incorrect in that thinking, but regardless, those shares have to be bough back and couldn't have been, at least not yet.
quote:Originally posted by db: The way I understand the situation is :
all certs for restricted shares have to be in by today period, no more extensions etc. if not the TA notifies the SEC
with all certs comes numbers (cusip) this shows how many shares they actually are (restricted)
if there is a naked short position this will give actual numbers of how much is shorted
this stops the brokers from trading phantom shares and they will have to cover
huge short the pps goes up until trading stops or deal made IMO
all in all - TDA not having the list in on time shows to me they are truly short and if the TA notifies the SEC it's another nail in their coffin
Posted by NomarKash on :
July 20, 2006 Pearl Asian Mining Mirrors Paivis Corporation Paivis Corporation (OTC: PAIV) is currently up $.051 to $.215 on another heavy volume day. As mentioned in yesterday's **** post, the stock has surged an unbelievable 15,000% since May 22 on a massive short squeeze. Microcap investors out there are now purchasing shares of Pearl Asian Mining (OTC: PAIM) hand over fist, as its shares surge $.0011, or 183%, to $.0017 on outrageous volume of 1 billion shares. Investors believe that a similar situation in comparison to Paivis is underway. There might be some truth to that because on July 12, Pearl Asian Mining announced that it was close to completing the buyback of approximately 27,000,000,000 or 90% of its issued and outstanding common shares using a convertible debenture (CD). Pearl Asian Mining has transferred to the Depository Trust Company (DTC) notes with a face value of approximately $27,000,000.00 which the DTC received on approximately June 21, 2006. However, PAIM has not received any of the 27,000,000,000 common shares of the buyback. At this point, the shares bought and sold in the market should only equal the remaining 10% of Pearl's issued and outstanding shares. However, the company believes that some of the DTC's participants, i.e. brokers, have failed to notify their clients, which has resulted in many shareholders selling shares short. It looks as if there could be another share imbalance and that brokerage firms are yet again caught in the middle of it all. Let the short covering begin.
Very Important Scottrade and other Brokers on Paiv Restricted Shares Wake up people call your compliance Dept and do a SEC Complaint they are all Damm liars the brokers that is. As of today the T/A had nothing from Scottrade.
I talked three hours today to the Paiv Transfer Agent at Phone #1- 303-783-9055 and to Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900. This is what I found out.
I would first suggest that you find out the phone number of your broker’s Compliance Dept as I did and call them to request your Paiv Restricted Shares be sent to you in your name to your home address.
You must do this otherwise the Brokerages will not do anything to help you. They are out to help themselves... The Transfer Agent and the Company Paiv have done everything they can do, it’s the Brokerages that are not cooperating because they shorted JPHC and Paiv., they got greedy and are now caught in that greed, it is up to the Shereholders of JPHC to start complaining to their Brokerage Compliance Dept. that serves him or her. You as a client signed an agreement with your Brokerage Firm and have every right to do this. The Brokerages have been telling everyone different stories to buy time because they are making huge money from shorting JPHC and PAIV.
This is what I found out today July 14, 2006 about Scottrade who is my broker about my JPHC Shares. Now remember other Brokerages are doing the same thing .This is in three Parts A, B and C.
Part A
All of our JPHC Shares were held in CEDE&CO. All of out JPHC Shares were sent to the PAIV Transfer Agent by CEDE&CO.
The Transfer Agent has all the names and share totals for all JPHC shareholders that were sent to them by CEDE&CO.
This was done two months ago. The Transfer Agent faxed all Brokerages two months ago with detailed instructions for the Brokerages to follow.so that the JPHC shares could be converted to PAIV restricted Shares and sent to the owners of those Paiv Restricted Shares at their home address.
The Transfer Agent asked for the Name, Address, Social Securtity number and the amount of JPHC Shares held in the clients account.
Now how hard is this to do, it is all done electronically.
The Transfer Agent right now has all the PAIV Restricted Shares ready to be mailed out to us at our home addresses.
So why would the Brokerages not do what the Transfer Asked them to do. This is why.
Part B
I found this out while talking to the Transfer Agent, The Transfer Agent added up all the JPHC Shares that CEDE&CO sent them.
There was a HUGE Discrepency in the total JPHC share count that CEDE&CO sent to the Transfer Agent compared to what the Brokerage Participents Share Count.stated.
Why? Because a large number of brokers loaned out JPHC Shares to other participants to cover short sales which caused the huge share price drop in Paiv which caused the huge share number difference in what CEDE&CO sent the Transfer Agent compared to the Brokerage Participants JPHC totals.
For Scottrade my Broker they loaned JPHC Shares to Merill Lynch.
Other Brokerages did the same thing with many different brokerage Firms.
For Scottrade to correct this situation they have to demand the return of all the JPHC Shares from Merill Lynch or Scottrade has to buy in Merill Lynch based on the original transaction with merill Lynch.
This is what Scottrade is trying to get out of and why they along with other brokerage firms are not cooperating with the Transfer Agentfor PAIV.
The Brokerages also want to keep your PAIV Restricted Shares in their own Vault. Why? So when the restriction is lifted they can short the shares and start this process all over again.
They can not do this if you have the Shares in your name held by you. Here is the PAIV Press release for June29, 2006 stating the procedure for the Brokers to follow. I called my Broker Scottrade on June 30, 2006 and was told everything would be taken care of by Scottade and they knew of the Press release issued by Paiv. I called again on July 13, 2006 and was told that my JPHC shares were sent to the T/A and that within 5 days i should have my Paiv shares. I called again on july 14, 2006 and was told by numerous parties that Compliance was aware of the situation and working on it. I asked for the Compliance Dept number and received another story. I then called the Transfer Agent along with Loyola. The Transfer Agent talked to Scottrade and gave them specific Instrutions for the second time. These conversations took 3 hours. Press Release June 29, 2006 Paiv. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060629/0140620.html
PartC
This is what I was advised to do after tallking to the Transfer Agent of Paiv phone # 1-303-783-9055 and the Investor Relation firm Loyola used for Paiv phone # 1-702-317-2300.
I also found out there will be a fee of $25.00 per Cert. If you have two accounts it is $50.00.
By all means call numbers I listed above and ask your own Questions. Use my post for a reference and remember the Broker is out for themselves and making money, expect to be told stories by all the Brokerage firms involved in this fiascal and remember demand your Paiv Restricted Shares sent to your address in your name.
So with this information I found out today and on the advice I was given I called Scottrade Compliance Dept and left a message that I as a Scottrade Clinent and shareholder of JPHC shares will file an SEC Compaint against Scottrade for their refusal in cooperating with the above parties mentioned in giving me my Paiv Restricted Shares that I am entitled to mailed to my home address in my name.. I stated that if I did not have my Restricted Paiv shares within 10 days from today July 14, 2006 I would begin my SEC Complaint. against Scottrade, I will also file a Complaint with
Expect a song and dance from your Brokers saying that Latimere and DTC are involved. Do not fall for this and verify what I am posting here with the Paiv Transfer Agent..
Also I found out that the only way to stop Firms from Shorting Stock is for you the client to ask and sign an agreement with your Broker that they are not to loan your shares out. They will not tell you about this agreement you have to ask them for it. If they do loan your shares out you can sue them. Putting a Sell order above the price of a stock does not tie your shares up as some think it stops the firms from shorting.
I hope this helps and call your Compliance Dept right away.
Posted by pay up on :
same, some of us were told there is no fee to receive the certs but there will be a fee to lift the restrictions after one year and again after 2 years.
Posted by Hannibull on :
*deleted* wrong thread, PAIV and PAIM look alike! lol
Posted by same on :
pay up 25.00 fee because they are in your name
And sent yo you at your address. Which is great IMO. I do not want brokers holding my Shares. Also do a Cash Account this way the Brokers can not loan you shares out to other firms.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
whats in store for today folks?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
.149 x .15
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
.159x.16
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
.169x.17 weeee nice early premarket
Posted by stocks1984 on :
holy crap .175 x .18
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
i know it ,lets ride
Posted by Hustla on :
Look at her exploding right in front of our faces premarket. Geez what a Monday morning this is gonna be.
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
this is gonna POP this week...back to the .3's
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
they still don't have the shares , i just got off the phone w/ broker , she said they still don't have the shares LOL
Posted by yolkarmy on :
the site platinumpenny just issued a buy for paiv this week.
lets see how far this thing goes today.
Posted by freddy79 on :
They are holding it back man, if the premarket pps was any indication of how today its gonna be , than prepare yourself guys. But than again we never know Posted by freddy79 on :
than again they trying to walk it down, this stock should be on a steady climb up, what gives??
Posted by yolkarmy on :
i hope ameritrade feels some serious pain...
Posted by nomed on :
TOTAL BS. Put an order in for .15 and it exicuted at .146. MM's are playin with this big time...
Posted by freddy79 on :
Well at this rate Ameritrade might not have to pay that much since the pps keeps falling, damm them
Posted by sportsguy on :
Back to .10 again... geez.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
shakin
Posted by yolkarmy on :
damn .10s..
Posted by kermit42 on :
Volume relatively very low on these trades. It's being held back. For now.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
bet it'd be hard to fill here
Posted by yolkarmy on :
posted on platinumpenny.com
We believe, at the current time, there is at least a billion shares that have yet to be accounted for with a possibility that up to 4 BILLION shares have been shorted!.The SHORT SQUEEZE is on! Get in as early as possible to ride the weeklong run!
Prepare for upward movement this week: a BUY has been issued.
i purchased more this morning...wish i got in at a lower price.
Posted by PCola77 on :
This is ridiculous. I put an order to buy more at .11 when it was trading at .10 and never got filled in over 10 minutes
Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: This is ridiculous. I put an order to buy more at .11 when it was trading at .10 and never got filled in over 10 minutes
Same happened to me..MM's are playin. Drag out the cover as much as they can...
Posted by freddy79 on :
Well they better stop , cuz im getting pissed Posted by nomed on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Well they better stop , cuz im getting pissed
Deep breath fred.. seems to be comin back up. After all NO ONE wants freddy79 mad... Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by nomed:
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Well they better stop , cuz im getting pissed
Deep breath fred.. seems to be comin back up. After all NO ONE wants freddy79 mad...
Yeah cuz I'm gonna start throwing punches everywhere without looking Posted by nomed on :
{nomed runs for cover} Blames everything on other posters...
Posted by freddy79 on :
Hey if I cant see when Im throwing punches You have a better chance of not getting head , now dont you like those odds Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Hey if I cant see when Im throwing punches You have a better chance of not getting hit , now dont you like those odds
Can't spell for s-hite
Posted by yolkarmy on :
:yawn:
Posted by freddy79 on :
Wow the vol it's so low compare to last week at this same time. It was mostly around 20 or 25 mil by this time.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
7.5m traded.. seems like quite a bit no?
Posted by freddy79 on :
Not compare to last week daily vol.
Posted by therustytrombone on :
this is almost too painful to watch... considering jumping ship... don't worry I only have a minute amount of share...
Posted by same on :
On Scottrade the LISTS
I just found this out July 24, 2006 at 12.20 pm est from T/A.
The Lists Were sent out to T/A as stated by Scottrade but they Scottrade did not include one item. Scottrade did not provide the T/A their Stock Record Posistion on JPHC as of the record date. The T/A needs this to verify the totals, without this he can not send out the Certificates to us. The T/A is going to sent out another Fax asking for this material.
IMO Scottrade knew very well what they were doing and did not include their Stock Record Posistion on JPHC as of the record date needed by the T/A.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
i see they succeeded in bringing it down into the 11s.. volume seems fairly low now though, which is good.
guess all the other posters are elsewhere..
i have no intention of selling at these levels.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Yeah this thread seems pretty dead today. Well as for me I'm between doing work, playing wow at work and checking the streamer constantly. I'm a multitasker Posted by therustytrombone on :
has the interest faded for PAIV? by all the DD it seems this should still run on a squeeze... hmm
Posted by same on :
Here is what Paiv is doing per Filing
Paiv is going from 25 Billion to 125 million In A/S this includes everything entailing the share Structure of Paiv including the Restricted Shares. Notice it is a reverse split of the A/S which means ther will be no dilution. Most otc.ob do a reverse split of the O/S not the A/S. This is very important and positive it being the A/S used. Again no Dilution can occur. Your Share Value will stay the same just less shares.
IMO this is a Very Positive move by PAIV Management, better for the Company and better for the Shareholder.
The 1st step has been taken in Filing with the state Of Nevada. The second step is sending the paperwork to the NASD for appoval and then filing the 8K. My understanding is that this can happen at any time. The filing was done with Nevada on July 11, 2006. The reason PAIV is doing this is to be listed on the Amex or Nasdaq exchange. By doing so there will be more interest in PAIV due to institutions and financing will be easier and at a better rate. If you look at the Press release that PAIV issued it states that they Paiv the Company will be looking to move to a higher exchange . In an effort to prepare the Company for a plan to pursue a listing on NASDAQ or AMEX, the Company has commenced the implementation of an extensive corporate development plan. Here is the Press release http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060518/0130191.html
The Amex and Nasdaq are more scrutinized by the SEC.
I also beleive a merger can happen down the road. Moving to a higher exchange could also put more pressure on the Legal and Illegal Shorters IMO. I see very good things for we the shareholders and Paiv the Company. Good job Paiv.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Probably for today yeah, everybody probably is in either FHAL,IPRE or PAIM right now
Posted by JBravo on :
WTF.... keeps going down and staying down
Posted by yolkarmy on :
not much volume today... had a good amount the first few hours but very dull.
i'm sure the stock will be up a decent amount this weeke
Posted by bksundar on :
Going down on low volume (1/10th average volume) after a huge gain , is not a bad thing in stocks....
Posted by tonicma on :
Did not sell today, Day two of shake. Notice how vol is far less.
Also, it bounced off 10 AGAIN. So I believe suppor tis there.
Also, it looks like the swings is tightening up.
the movement of the pps is between the high and low of yesterday.
If tomorrow it continue to tigthen up than it will confirm movement up. I think we shake for another day and will probably start to move up again.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Hey guys can someone post the 1 month chart from stockcharts. com and you will see that when this stock was at .04 after it it went red for 2 days and than shot back up to .15 in the next 2 days . But the most interesting things is , look at the vol. for those 2 red days to the 2 red days we just have recently. They are exactly the same , so if it shot right to .15 after those 2 red days why cant it happened again. Once again sorry I don't know how to post pics in here. Hey tonic could you post them so everybody sees what I'm talking bout
Posted by db on :
I agree tonicma---I feel another shake for tomorrow and upward movement Wednesday or Thursday - remember this is all MM's trying their physiological crap look at the past couple of days they move it up and bring it down over and over to wear you out make you think this stock is struggling, eod a lower price - they want shares.
if you play this stock you either believe it is shorted alot and hold or look at this situation and treat it like you would any other stock which give the MM's what they want.
still holding!
Posted by kermit42 on :
That's not working out as well as I had hoped, I'm sure someone can do it. But you're absolutely right--uncanny resemblance.
Posted by db on :
I agree tonicma---I feel another shake for tomorrow and upward movement Wednesday or Thursday - remember this is all MM's trying their physiological crap look at the past couple of days they move it up and bring it down over and over to wear you out make you think this stock is struggling, eod a lower price - they want shares.
if you play this stock you either believe it is shorted alot and hold or look at this situation and treat it like you would any other stock which give the MM's what they want.
still holding!
Posted by db on :
sorry for the dbl post
Posted by yolkarmy on :
interesting tonicma.. i was under the impression, after all your pumping, that we would be at 2.00 by now.
lmao
Posted by brackep on :
PAIV is acting like last week, exactly the same According to the chart we would go up as of today ...
Paiv = 39 days on reg short list
Posted by brackep on :
Copied from another board....
Today is the day>>Rule 3360(a) NASD members are required to maintain a record of total short positions in all customers and proprietary firm accounts in NASDAQ securities and requires members to report such information to the NASD on a monthly basis. Furthermore, short interest reports must be made as of the settlement date (currently the 15th of the monthly). Earlier this year the SEC approved amendments to Rule 3360 that expand the short interest reporting requirements to over-the-counter (OTC) equity securities. The NASD intends to have data available on the OTCBB web site that will show monthly short activity beginning July 25, 2006."
Posted by same on :
Repost On Scottrade the LISTS, Important
I just found this out July 24, 2006 at 12.20 pm est from T/A.
The Lists Were sent out to T/A as stated by Scottrade but they Scottrade did not include one item. Scottrade did not provide the T/A their Stock Record Posistion on JPHC as of the record date. The T/A needs this to verify the totals, without this he can not send out the Certificates to us. The T/A is going to sent out another Fax asking for this material.
IMO Scottrade knew very well what they were doing and did not include their Stock Record Posistion on JPHC as of the record date needed by the T/A. Call and e-mail Scottrade Compliance dept Phone Numbers are below in my previous posts about Scottrade. *********************************************************** By: same53 20 Jul 2006, 10:58 AM EDT Msg. 9794 of 11070 (Msg. is a reply to 9182 by same53.) Repost Very Important about Brokers and Paiv Shares
I talked three hours today to the Paiv Transfer Agent at Phone #1- 303-783-9055 and to Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900. This is what I found out.
I would first suggest that you find out the phone number of your broker’s Compliance Dept as I did and call them to request your Paiv Restricted Shares be sent to you in your name to your home address.
You must do this otherwise the Brokerages will not do anything to help you. They are out to help themselves... The Transfer Agent and the Company Paiv have done everything they can do, it’s the Brokerages that are not cooperating because they shorted JPHC and Paiv., they got greedy and are now caught in that greed, it is up to the Shereholders of JPHC to start complaining to their Brokerage Compliance Dept. that serves him or her. You as a client signed an agreement with your Brokerage Firm and have every right to do this. The Brokerages have been telling everyone different stories to buy time because they are making huge money from shorting JPHC and PAIV.
This is what I found out today July 14, 2006 about Scottrade who is my broker about my JPHC Shares. Now remember other Brokerages are doing the same thing .This is in three Parts A, B and C.
Part A
All of our JPHC Shares were held in CEDE&CO. All of out JPHC Shares were sent to the PAIV Transfer Agent by CEDE&CO.
The Transfer Agent has all the names and share totals for all JPHC shareholders that were sent to them by CEDE&CO.
This was done two months ago. The Transfer Agent faxed all Brokerages two months ago with detailed instructions for the Brokerages to follow.so that the JPHC shares could be converted to PAIV restricted Shares and sent to the owners of those Paiv Restricted Shares at their home address.
The Transfer Agent asked for the Name, Address, Social Securtity number and the amount of JPHC Shares held in the clients account.
Now how hard is this to do, it is all done electronically.
The Transfer Agent right now has all the PAIV Restricted Shares ready to be mailed out to us at our home addresses.
So why would the Brokerages not do what the Transfer Asked them to do. This is why.
Part B
I found this out while talking to the Transfer Agent, The Transfer Agent added up all the JPHC Shares that CEDE&CO sent them.
There was a HUGE Discrepency in the total JPHC share count that CEDE&CO sent to the Transfer Agent compared to what the Brokerage Participents Share Count.stated.
Why? Because a large number of brokers loaned out JPHC Shares to other participants to cover short sales which caused the huge share price drop in Paiv which caused the huge share number difference in what CEDE&CO sent the Transfer Agent compared to the Brokerage Participants JPHC totals.
For Scottrade my Broker they loaned JPHC Shares to Merill Lynch.
Other Brokerages did the same thing with many different brokerage Firms.
For Scottrade to correct this situation they have to demand the return of all the JPHC Shares from Merill Lynch or Scottrade has to buy in Merill Lynch based on the original transaction with merill Lynch.
This is what Scottrade is trying to get out of and why they along with other brokerage firms are not cooperating with the Transfer Agentfor PAIV.
The Brokerages also want to keep your PAIV Restricted Shares in their own Vault. Why? So when the restriction is lifted they can short the shares and start this process all over again.
They can not do this if you have the Shares in your name held by you. Here is the PAIV Press release for June29, 2006 stating the procedure for the Brokers to follow. I called my Broker Scottrade on June 30, 2006 and was told everything would be taken care of by Scottade and they knew of the Press release issued by Paiv. I called again on July 13, 2006 and was told that my JPHC shares were sent to the T/A and that within 5 days i should have my Paiv shares. I called again on july 14, 2006 and was told by numerous parties that Compliance was aware of the situation and working on it. I asked for the Compliance Dept number and received another story. I then called the Transfer Agent along with Loyola. The Transfer Agent talked to Scottrade and gave them specific Instrutions for the second time. These conversations took 3 hours. Press Release June 29, 2006 Paiv. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060629/0140620.html
PartC
This is what I was advised to do after tallking to the Transfer Agent of Paiv phone # 1-303-783-9055 and the Investor Relation firm Loyola used for Paiv phone # 1-702-317-2300.
I also found out there will be a fee of $25.00 per Cert. If you have two accounts it is $50.00.
By all means call numbers I listed above and ask your own Questions. Use my post for a reference and remember the Broker is out for themselves and making money, expect to be told stories by all the Brokerage firms involved in this fiascal and remember demand your Paiv Restricted Shares sent to your address in your name.
So with this information I found out today and on the advice I was given I called Scottrade Compliance Dept and left a message that I as a Scottrade Clinent and shareholder of JPHC shares will file an SEC Compaint against Scottrade for their refusal in cooperating with the above parties mentioned in giving me my Paiv Restricted Shares that I am entitled to mailed to my home address in my name.. I stated that if I did not have my Restricted Paiv shares within 10 days from today July 14, 2006 I would begin my SEC Complaint. against Scottrade, I will also file a Complaint with
Expect a song and dance from your Brokers saying that Latimere and DTC are involved. Do not fall for this and verify what I am posting here with the Paiv Transfer Agent..
Also I found out that the only way to stop Firms from Shorting Stock is for you the client to ask and sign an agreement with your Broker that they are not to loan your shares out. They will not tell you about this agreement you have to ask them for it. If they do loan your shares out you can sue them. Putting a Sell order above the price of a stock does not tie your shares up as some think it stops the firms from shorting.
I hope this helps and call your Compliance Dept right away.
Posted by sportsguy on :
Looks like this stock might wake up on the wrong side of the bed again Posted by therustytrombone on :
we are gettin dunked early today
Posted by freddy79 on :
My face right now is so like this Posted by brackep on :
quote:Originally posted by brackep: PAIV is acting like last week, exactly the same According to the chart we would go up as of today ...
Yep, me too. Back to the .06's??
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by sportsguy: Yep, me too. Back to the .06's??
Dont you dare speak of that number Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
yeah but i think today is the day to load up and average , i called again this morning , for and answer , they are having the manager call me back ,he's supposedly not in yet , there not getting my shares
Posted by freddy79 on :
Thats a good idea Blackbeard, alright everybody let's load up on cheapo shares now!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by nomed on :
Seems to hit a base at .10.. also I saw 2 trades for 200 shares, is that a MM sign? Thought I read it somewhere.....
Posted by ARTTEACHER on :
just walking it down to where the MM's can steal shares..it will run again..week is young
Posted by cowlowski on :
so I call the transfer agency and get their voicemail that says their mailbox is full. Any other way to contact them?
Posted by PCola77 on :
They are in Colorado, so I think it's only 7:30 AM there. Give them a couple of hours and then try again.
quote:Originally posted by cowlowski: so I call the transfer agency and get their voicemail that says their mailbox is full. Any other way to contact them?
Posted by yolkarmy on :
and here are the 8s.
Posted by JBravo on :
ouch... my heart hurts as I see it go down.
Posted by kermit42 on :
This seems like a pretty gutsy move by the MM's. They've walked it down real far on very little volume--which means most of us are holding strong and not selling. Meanwhile the clock is ticking on covering the shorts.
At some point either we give and there's a panic sell-off and the MM's win, or they give and move up the price up as time runs out.
Am I wrong in thinking that the longer we hold, the higher they will have to go because they gave themselves less time to get the job done? Of course, for that to happen, we have to keep holding.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Well there for sure not getting my damm shares that's for sure, even though I'm down on my original purchase.
YOu guys can count on me holding my measly 8k shares Posted by bksundar on :
I am holding 30K at 0.113
Posted by yolkarmy on :
getting rough.. come on and climb already!
Posted by NEL on :
i'm still holding as well
Posted by DivotDog on :
It's just a matter of waiting this MM attack out, patience will pay off big rewards for those who will wait this out. All the news on PAIV and the current situation has and will develope is excellent and will make us all very wealthy. Holding 3 MIL long. This is an excellent time for those to pick up some very cheap shares at very low prices. IMO
Posted by bksundar on :
They managed to drop it down till 0.08 so far !!!
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
I'm holding also
Posted by db on :
Bashers are back on RB board alot of the same ones from friday - that could be a good sign for those of us still holding makes me think their trying real hard to drive pps down before news on how short this stock really is!
I'm holding for the big run or going down with the ship
have PAIV stock in one hand and a snorkal in the other!
Posted by yolkarmy on :
7s..
down goes the ship
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by db: Bashers are back on RB board alot of the same ones from friday - that could be a good sign for those of us still holding makes me think their trying real hard to drive pps down before news on how short this stock really is!
I'm holding for the big run or going down with the ship
have PAIV stock in one hand and a snorkal in the other!
Im so there with ya... Not gonna sell my shares, long live PAIV Posted by bksundar on :
The encouraging thing is that the share is down in 0.07s on pretty low volume. Nothing to worry... I would be worried if it was at the same level at say at the 50 average million volume !!!
Posted by bksundar on :
Pretty short stay at 0.07s...
Posted by freddy79 on :
true because if you put the last 2 days and today's vol. so far it only equals up to 24 vol for the 3 days combine. Now if you look at the daily vol for the last 12 days it's roughly about 50 mil daily vol. So I agree with Bksundar I would worry if it was going down on such high vol Posted by db on :
tomorrow or thursday should see green (of course today would be just fine) I agree with you guys about low vol driving price down
no hard feelings lets all give the MM's a big round of applause for trying thier best to get our shares good job!
very soon it will be our turn, lets see if this will go up higher than they could drive it down.
Posted by freddy79 on :
I vote for higher grounds, any one else
Good job MM's .......not Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
I second that
Posted by casper on :
I called Scottrade complaint dept.They said certs. were ordered last week and were on there way.He didnt know how long it would take...I'll give them 14 days and we will see.....
Posted by bksundar on :
Slowly going back up again !!! I like WWEN action today ....
Posted by db on :
to the penthouse please
Posted by PCola77 on :
213,000 just went through at .095 and the ask didn't move C'mon baby, get going!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Another 100,000 just went through... could move big soon. I hope...
Posted by db on :
I hope news of the short position leaks out before 4:00 and give us green eod
Posted by same on :
Repost On Scottrade the LISTS, Important
I just found this out July 24, 2006 at 12.20 pm est from T/A.
The Lists Were sent out to T/A as stated by Scottrade but they Scottrade did not include one item. Scottrade did not provide the T/A their Stock Record Posistion on JPHC as of the record date. The T/A needs this to verify the totals, without this he can not send out the Certificates to us. The T/A is going to sent out another Fax asking for this material.
IMO Scottrade knew very well what they were doing and did not include their Stock Record Posistion on JPHC as of the record date needed by the T/A. Call and e-mail Scottrade Compliance dept Phone Numbers are below in my previous posts about Scottrade. *********************************************************** By: same53 20 Jul 2006, 10:58 AM EDT Msg. 9794 of 11070 (Msg. is a reply to 9182 by same53.) Repost Very Important about Brokers and Paiv Shares
I talked three hours today to the Paiv Transfer Agent at Phone #1- 303-783-9055 and to Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900. This is what I found out.
I would first suggest that you find out the phone number of your broker’s Compliance Dept as I did and call them to request your Paiv Restricted Shares be sent to you in your name to your home address.
You must do this otherwise the Brokerages will not do anything to help you. They are out to help themselves... The Transfer Agent and the Company Paiv have done everything they can do, it’s the Brokerages that are not cooperating because they shorted JPHC and Paiv., they got greedy and are now caught in that greed, it is up to the Shereholders of JPHC to start complaining to their Brokerage Compliance Dept. that serves him or her. You as a client signed an agreement with your Brokerage Firm and have every right to do this. The Brokerages have been telling everyone different stories to buy time because they are making huge money from shorting JPHC and PAIV.
This is what I found out today July 14, 2006 about Scottrade who is my broker about my JPHC Shares. Now remember other Brokerages are doing the same thing .This is in three Parts A, B and C.
Part A
All of our JPHC Shares were held in CEDE&CO. All of out JPHC Shares were sent to the PAIV Transfer Agent by CEDE&CO.
The Transfer Agent has all the names and share totals for all JPHC shareholders that were sent to them by CEDE&CO.
This was done two months ago. The Transfer Agent faxed all Brokerages two months ago with detailed instructions for the Brokerages to follow.so that the JPHC shares could be converted to PAIV restricted Shares and sent to the owners of those Paiv Restricted Shares at their home address.
The Transfer Agent asked for the Name, Address, Social Securtity number and the amount of JPHC Shares held in the clients account.
Now how hard is this to do, it is all done electronically.
The Transfer Agent right now has all the PAIV Restricted Shares ready to be mailed out to us at our home addresses.
So why would the Brokerages not do what the Transfer Asked them to do. This is why.
Part B
I found this out while talking to the Transfer Agent, The Transfer Agent added up all the JPHC Shares that CEDE&CO sent them.
There was a HUGE Discrepency in the total JPHC share count that CEDE&CO sent to the Transfer Agent compared to what the Brokerage Participents Share Count.stated.
Why? Because a large number of brokers loaned out JPHC Shares to other participants to cover short sales which caused the huge share price drop in Paiv which caused the huge share number difference in what CEDE&CO sent the Transfer Agent compared to the Brokerage Participants JPHC totals.
For Scottrade my Broker they loaned JPHC Shares to Merill Lynch.
Other Brokerages did the same thing with many different brokerage Firms.
For Scottrade to correct this situation they have to demand the return of all the JPHC Shares from Merill Lynch or Scottrade has to buy in Merill Lynch based on the original transaction with merill Lynch.
This is what Scottrade is trying to get out of and why they along with other brokerage firms are not cooperating with the Transfer Agentfor PAIV.
The Brokerages also want to keep your PAIV Restricted Shares in their own Vault. Why? So when the restriction is lifted they can short the shares and start this process all over again.
They can not do this if you have the Shares in your name held by you. Here is the PAIV Press release for June29, 2006 stating the procedure for the Brokers to follow. I called my Broker Scottrade on June 30, 2006 and was told everything would be taken care of by Scottade and they knew of the Press release issued by Paiv. I called again on July 13, 2006 and was told that my JPHC shares were sent to the T/A and that within 5 days i should have my Paiv shares. I called again on july 14, 2006 and was told by numerous parties that Compliance was aware of the situation and working on it. I asked for the Compliance Dept number and received another story. I then called the Transfer Agent along with Loyola. The Transfer Agent talked to Scottrade and gave them specific Instrutions for the second time. These conversations took 3 hours. Press Release June 29, 2006 Paiv. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060629/0140620.html
PartC
This is what I was advised to do after tallking to the Transfer Agent of Paiv phone # 1-303-783-9055 and the Investor Relation firm Loyola used for Paiv phone # 1-702-317-2300.
I also found out there will be a fee of $25.00 per Cert. If you have two accounts it is $50.00.
By all means call numbers I listed above and ask your own Questions. Use my post for a reference and remember the Broker is out for themselves and making money, expect to be told stories by all the Brokerage firms involved in this fiascal and remember demand your Paiv Restricted Shares sent to your address in your name.
So with this information I found out today and on the advice I was given I called Scottrade Compliance Dept and left a message that I as a Scottrade Clinent and shareholder of JPHC shares will file an SEC Compaint against Scottrade for their refusal in cooperating with the above parties mentioned in giving me my Paiv Restricted Shares that I am entitled to mailed to my home address in my name.. I stated that if I did not have my Restricted Paiv shares within 10 days from today July 14, 2006 I would begin my SEC Complaint. against Scottrade, I will also file a Complaint with
Expect a song and dance from your Brokers saying that Latimere and DTC are involved. Do not fall for this and verify what I am posting here with the Paiv Transfer Agent..
Also I found out that the only way to stop Firms from Shorting Stock is for you the client to ask and sign an agreement with your Broker that they are not to loan your shares out. They will not tell you about this agreement you have to ask them for it. If they do loan your shares out you can sue them. Putting a Sell order above the price of a stock does not tie your shares up as some think it stops the firms from shorting.
I hope this helps and call your Compliance Dept right away.
Posted by sportsguy on :
What's the deal... something's got to give eventually, right?
Posted by bksundar on :
Each one waiting for the other to break down !!!
Posted by bksundar on :
Now PAIV is also staring to show spreads like PAIM - 0.086 Bid/0.094 Ask Everything however on pretty low volume. Hoping for an exciting WWEN like day tommorrow...
Posted by brackep on :
PAIV over 200 million short for only July ... That's 20 times the Volume IMO we are going up!!! They have 10 days to cover
quote:Originally posted by brackep: PAIV over 200 million short for only July ... That's 20 times the Volume IMO we are going up!!! They have 10 days to cover
this is only for the month of July...actually from July 1st to July 15th. Does not include the short from June/May timeframe or the short position that was carried over from JPHC. Read the rules of short reporting on the webpage. The rest of the short positions will be revealed thru the process of paivis gathering all real shareholder data. GLTA
Posted by brackep on :
PAIV is the #1 most shorted stock in the OTC
Posted by brackep on :
best thing we can all do as of now is put a sell order in at a higher price ... like .40 or .50
Just for July 1st till July 15th there are 239 million short. You can imagine that is gonna take some bid upticking to get people to sell. Add that with buying pressure because now everybody knows PAIV is the #1 most shorted stock in the OTC.
Posted by tonicma on :
remember that is ONLY for this month. Remember there is themonth before and befor ethat and before that.
Man gotta love that ****.
Posted by NEL on :
tonicma, do you think this still has some life in it this week? or next? I gotta pay my kids tuition...
Posted by freddy79 on :
Ok let's used 239 as an example on my next calculations. So in about 15 trading days of July they have shorted PAIV about 239, now divide that by the 15 trading so far in July, it equals about 79 mil for each week. Now paiv has been shorted since the May 22 till now correct. So from May 22 till now that's 8 weeks, now multiply 8 by 79 and you have roughly 632 shorted shares they still need to cover. Which I think would give us about close to 2 weeks for them to cover.
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by freddy79: Ok let's used 239 as an example on my next calculations. So in about 15 trading days of July they have shorted PAIV about 239, now divide that by the 15 trading so far in July, it equals about 79 mil for each week. Now paiv has been shorted since the May 22 till now correct. So from May 22 till now that's 8 weeks, now multiply 8 by 79 and you have roughly 632 shorted shares they still need to cover. Which I think would give us about close to 2 weeks for them to cover.
Just to be more safe as to the number of shorted shares, let's say we have in between 580 to 630 possible shorted shares. Me thinks we be going up an up, I'm gonna set my sell limit at 1$ Posted by PCola77 on :
Is there somewhere to confirm that PAIV is the most heavily shorted? Or is that just what people thin based on looking at different securities? Seems like with the confirmation that this is shorted at almost 10x the outstanding shares just in the first 2 weeks of July, tomorrow should be a ridiculously huge day for PAIV. Am I simplifying this too much?
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Here is a patial copy of a post from another board. This is from the "Short List"
PAIV is number 1 on the short list.. I copied and pasted the list into an excel spreadsheet, and did a "descending" sort on "current short position" PAIV is number one.. only the top 100 listed here
Security Name Security Symbol OTC Market Current Shares Short PAIVIS CORP PAIV BB 239455555 TELE NORTE CELULAR P TNRPF NBB 100800000 CALPINE CP CPNLQ NBB 97808074 SUMMUS WORKS INC SMMW NBB 49820000 CENTRAIS ELC BRAS EL CAIFF NBB 37400000 CABLE & WIRELESS PLC CWPUF NBB 26356846 NISSAN MOTORS (F) NSANF NBB 25522890 HEALTHSOUTH CP HLSH NBB 24505025 MORRISON W SPRMRKT P MRWSF NBB 16480314 DELTA AIR LINES INC DALRQ NBB 15294949 JEAN COUTU GROUP PJC JCOUF NBB 11860161 BANK OF CHINA BEIJIN BACHF NBB 11504000 BT GROUP PLC (GBP) BTGOF NBB 11250720 ORASCOM TELECOM SAE ORSTF NBB 10546503 NORTHWEST AIRLINES# NWACQ NBB 10152079 YUKOS CORP SPONS ADR YUKOY NBB 10045530 DELPHI CORPORATION DPHIQ NBB 9663217 PEARL ASIAN MNG WY PAIM NBB 9552004
Posted by PCola77 on :
Thanks. Now as for my second question..
Who thinks we'll open flat, who thinks we'll open down, and who thinks we'll open up? And what are your instinct for tomorrow? No numbers, just a "way up, slightly up, slightly down" type of answer.
Seems like we should go way up, but I tend to be wrong with stuff like this.
Posted by Karma Earl on :
I thing since the list is now out. We should open up and climb. Notice I included PAIM on the list since a lot of people in this one are in that one too. GLTA $$
Posted by Chad on :
SAME, I contacted Scottrade about my restricted PAIV shares and this is what they sent me. ------------------------------------------------ Dear Client:
Thank you for your email. Under the terms of this corporate action, you will receive 0.46232085 restricted shares of Paivis for every 1 share of Jupiter Global Holdings you own.
As Scottrade does not hold restricted shares in our accounts, you will be receiving a physical certificate directly from the company's transfer agent for your Paivis shares. Your account will be charged a $25 reorg fee for this action. You will not see the restricted PAIV position in your Scottade account at any time.
The transfer agent has not provided any estimated time for delivery of the certificates. Scottrade has provided the agent with all client information involved for the issuance of shares. Once the shares are issued, clients must deal directly with the transfer agent regarding any issues with the certificates. ------------------------------------------------
So when am I getting this Cert already? Do I have to call the PAIV TA?
any advice is appreciated by anyone on what to do to get my shares.
Posted by tonicma on :
239455555 short, that is still ALOT to cover.
thinks about it, we ONLY have about 27million o/s so the short is still 10 TIMES, that is right 10 TIMEX our o/s.
Well, let the short covering continue. good shake for today.
Posted by tonicma on :
I'm gonna stick with my $2 now more than ever.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
239,455,555 is a lot of shares, but not as much as i was originally thinking.. i don't think we'll see 50 cents a share, let alone a dollar or two dollars.
Posted by db on :
pcola77 I'm going to guess we open flat to slightly higher I don't think the MM's would let this run until Thursday or beyond to discourage people out of investing in this - MM's IMO especially with confirmation on how shorted this stock is would want people to think they are in control and not let the price go up too much -
my swag(scientific wild ass guess) MM's will play the possible pending split(they know one way or the other) , SEC loop holes etc. to bail them out.
but pps will go up if people hold and new investors come.
MM's will work together we see that every day in this stock.
if this stock goes to .50 it will be a hard row to till for those who hold
and I'm holding to the bitter sweet end period!
I hope I'm wrong and this goes up for easy money for all the PAIV stock holders you deserve it. JMO
GO PAIV MAKE US PROUD!!!!!!!!!
Posted by yolkarmy on :
come on and move up!
Posted by sportsguy on :
So much for the green start to the day...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Well, the thing is, it's almost 10 times the float. So if just 10% of the people who own right now don't sell, they can't cover.
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: 239,455,555 is a lot of shares, but not as much as i was originally thinking.. i don't think we'll see 50 cents a share, let alone a dollar or two dollars.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
bid is up, no one selling Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Well, the thing is, it's almost 10 times the float. So if just 10% of the people who own right now don't sell, they can't cover.
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: 239,455,555 is a lot of shares, but not as much as i was originally thinking.. i don't think we'll see 50 cents a share, let alone a dollar or two dollars.
exactly , also don't forget the pressure thats on because of getting out the restricted JPHC shares Posted by yolkarmy on :
weren't most of the restricted sells cancelled by ameritrade?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Cancelled in that they didn't make the clients buy them back, but you can't just cancel the trade a few days later and say to the person that bought them: "Hey, we messed up, can we please have our shares back and you just won't get the 1000% gain that you thought you had?"
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: weren't most of the restricted sells cancelled by ameritrade?
Posted by yolkarmy on :
i see i see... well, i think its about time we moved on up :-D
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Cancelled in that they didn't make the clients buy them back, but you can't just cancel the trade a few days later and say to the person that bought them: "Hey, we messed up, can we please have our shares back and you just won't get the 1000% gain that you thought you had?"
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: weren't most of the restricted sells cancelled by ameritrade?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: weren't most of the restricted sells cancelled by ameritrade?
see, some of us are waiting on retricted jphc shares and in order for our brokers to compleat the merger deal the TA's and broker have to account for all the shares of the merger parties , in other words the brokers and TA's don't have the shares they have sold shares they don't have , and we hold what they are looking for , i have called my broker every day , and still they don't have the shares , but they surly can't be allowed to hold these two companies from merging completely ,, this is my humble understanding of the situation . sombody correct me if i have sumthin wrong
Posted by PCola77 on :
Shhh, nobody jinx it...
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Be vwery vwery qwiet.
Posted by DivotDog on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: SAME, I contacted Scottrade about my restricted PAIV shares and this is what they sent me. ------------------------------------------------ Dear Client:
Thank you for your email. Under the terms of this corporate action, you will receive 0.46232085 restricted shares of Paivis for every 1 share of Jupiter Global Holdings you own.
As Scottrade does not hold restricted shares in our accounts, you will be receiving a physical certificate directly from the company's transfer agent for your Paivis shares. Your account will be charged a $25 reorg fee for this action. You will not see the restricted PAIV position in your Scottade account at any time.
The transfer agent has not provided any estimated time for delivery of the certificates. Scottrade has provided the agent with all client information involved for the issuance of shares. Once the shares are issued, clients must deal directly with the transfer agent regarding any issues with the certificates. ------------------------------------------------
So when am I getting this Cert already? Do I have to call the PAIV TA?
any advice is appreciated by anyone on what to do to get my shares.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Be vwery vwery qwiet.
LOL Posted by PCola77 on :
La la la la la. Nothing to see here, please move along.
Posted by DivotDog on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: SAME, I contacted Scottrade about my restricted PAIV shares and this is what they sent me. ------------------------------------------------ Dear Client:
Thank you for your email. Under the terms of this corporate action, you will receive 0.46232085 restricted shares of Paivis for every 1 share of Jupiter Global Holdings you own.
As Scottrade does not hold restricted shares in our accounts, you will be receiving a physical certificate directly from the company's transfer agent for your Paivis shares. Your account will be charged a $25 reorg fee for this action. You will not see the restricted PAIV position in your Scottade account at any time.
The transfer agent has not provided any estimated time for delivery of the certificates. Scottrade has provided the agent with all client information involved for the issuance of shares. Once the shares are issued, clients must deal directly with the transfer agent regarding any issues with the certificates. ------------------------------------------------
So when am I getting this Cert already? Do I have to call the PAIV TA?
any advice is appreciated by anyone on what to do to get my shares.
Chad,
After logging on to my scottrade account, on the left under my positions it shows JPHC# with a number sign at the end of it and no price value. If I click on the word my positions, it shows the list again with more detail, if I click on the word gainskeeper on the left it then shows my PAIV shares with last days close value. I don't if it helps or not, just thought I would pass this along. I have also talked to scottrade and they indicated that they have sent everything to transfer agent and that I will hear from them. There is definitely a little administrative work that we will all be responsible for to get these restricted shares and then get them back to the transfer agent so that we can receive or non-restricted shares once the restriction is lifted in less than 10 months. But nothing overly complicated and it will definitely be worth the little bit of effort. To remind yourself what it is worth, just check that gainskeeper button.
Posted by Chad on :
thx Divot.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
Paivis Corporation: The Ultimate Penny Stock Short Squeeze While penny stocks are usually not covered, this one cannot be passed over. Shares of Paivis, Corp. (OTCBB: PAIV) have doubled today, up $.08 to $.153 on heavy volume of 48 million shares. If today's percentage gain is shocking, the stock has surged an unbelievable 15,000% since May 22. The move higher began amid confusion, when on May 22, the company, under a merger agreement issued shares to be received by the Jupiter Shareholders as restricted securities defined by Rule 144. The Depository Trust Company confirmed no allocation of any shares had taken place by them due to restricted nature of those shares and the fact that the merger shares were not physically received by Depository Trust Company for further allocation. However, judging by the volume of billions of shares being exchanged, it appeared at the time that those shares had been accidentally handed over to customers by certain brokerage firms. Then on June 29, the company issued a clarification, stating that Jupiter Shareholders must surrender their Jupiter common share certificate to the Paivis transfer agent in order to receive their merger shares certificate. All the while, the price began to rapidly increase. To this date, it appears that the marketprice is reflecting a short squeeze because the merger shares of Paivis were not supposed to be issued and consequently and someone is paying the ultimate price of having to purchase the shares on the open market to cover the share imbalance.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
SQUEEZE STATUS: Are you sitting down?
Following is my "armchair" analysis of where we're at today. Given the lack of any verifiable facts, it is entirely speculation and MUST NOT be used in plotting entry/exit points.
As you will see, I am being very conservative with the numbers. Even when hugely skewed in Ameritrade's favor - it suggests that only 47% of the shorted shares could possibly be covered to date.
During the panic sell-off last May, 1.57 billion shares were sold into the float in two day's time. I am going to call 1.519 billion of those shares "short shares," assuming that every legitimate PAIV shareholder sold out too. Therefore, 57 million legitimate shares are deducted from the two-day volume numbers.
So....
ASSUMED SHORT POSITION = 1,519,000,000 shares
I have omitted trading volume from May 25th through the 29, because I highly doubt AT would have rushed in to begin covering right away. IMO, that week only added to the depth of the short position as retail investors bought and sold with each other. Even though that's a reasonable assessment, I will throw those trades out, again erring in favor of the shorts.
So the "covering trades" count begins the day PAIV appeared on SHO (May 30) which certainly would have added pressure to begin covering.
When I add the total volume from May 30 until July 14, I come up with approximately 717 million total shares traded. I will further err in AT's favor by eliminating the retail investors entirely. Assume that EVERY share traded from from May 30 until July 14 was an Ameritrade covering trade. While we know that's not true, look what it tells us:
TOTAL POSSIBLE COVER TRADES TO DATE = 717,000,000 shares
Wow. That's less than HALF of the short position. When you consider that covering only 47% of the short shares caused PAIV to gain 920% (.005 - .051), it is a safe bet to say that covering the remaining shorts would bring us up another 1000% from Friday's close of .037. Therefore:
SHARE PRICE UPON FINAL COVER = $0.37 per share
If you take a more realistic position, and assume that only HALF of the trades since May 30 were cover trades, that gives us a figure of 358,000,000 shares covered to date. Personally, I bet AT has covered only 200 or so million thus far. However:
"MORE REALISTIC" COVER TRADES TO DATE = 358,000,000 shares
Now we're looking at only 23.5% of the position being covered as of July 14. Since PAIV gained 920% covering just a quarter of the shares, that means 75% more to go...for a total gain of 3,680%:
SHARE PRICE UPON COVER - "REALISTIC NUMBERS" = $1.06 per share
Again I stress these are not facts. But based on everything above, I do think we have a shot at passing $0.10 or even $0.18. Keep in mind AT will use every dirty trick in the book - shakeouts, new shorted shares, etc. Even assuming an average cover price of just $0.10 per share - that's over $150 million. I expect that AT will find a way to worm out of paying that kind of dough, either through dirty tricks, an extended timeframe, or both.
GLT all of us!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Why are you posting old information?
Posted by NomarKash on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: thx Divot.
Hey that was helpful, thanks Divot.
Posted by sportsguy on :
I had JPHC, so just because the Gainskeeper shows an amazing value for PAIV now, I shouldn't get my hopes up since I don't actually have these shares. And by the time I get the shares, the price won't be anywhere near what it is today. Is this right?
Posted by NomarKash on :
quote:Originally posted by sportsguy: I had JPHC, so just because the Gainskeeper shows an amazing value for PAIV now, I shouldn't get my hopes up since I don't actually have these shares. And by the time I get the shares, the price won't be anywhere near what it is today. Is this right?
No you shouldn't get excited. We (restricted holders) are a long way off from being able to sell.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Correct. I have over $500,000 of "restricted" shares. As we saw the day the restricted shares were improperly released on to the market, the price crashed over 90%. The reason is simply that if at 27million shares the price is worth $X, the price with 1billion shares is wort habout $.027X. That doesnt' take into account the fact that people will be willing to take anythign that they can get for them, so the price will likely fall even more than it really is "worth". I wrote mine off as a 100% loss, and anythign i get in a year will be great.
quote:Originally posted by sportsguy: I had JPHC, so just because the Gainskeeper shows an amazing value for PAIV now, I shouldn't get my hopes up since I don't actually have these shares. And by the time I get the shares, the price won't be anywhere near what it is today. Is this right?
Posted by Chad on :
we may not get too excited...but hey, i guarentee we all will make money from our investment. I think even at a half cent I'd still make triple my investment. Im pretty happy to see it at this level. Whos to say it wont be at .10 when we can sell, whos to say it wont be higher? I cant imagine it going way way down. Most traders have bought and sold already in its run and the covering is still happening... I believe a base price has already been set on this and its over .05, so call me crazy or a dreamer, but I bet we sell the restricted shares for over .10 when we can.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Chad,it's basically just like a forward split, if there are 27million shares at 10 cents each, that's a $2.7million market cap. When the float increases to like 1billion shares the day the restriction is lifted, the market cap won't go up to $100million, the market cap would stay the same and the share price would drop to .0027. Even so, if you bought JPHC for less than 12 cents you would break even at worst. But I'd recommend against dreaming about what you'll do with .10 a share or more, it's not even worth getting excited about, in my opinion.
quote:Originally posted by Chad: we may not get too excited...but hey, i guarentee we all will make money from our investment. I think even at a half cent I'd still make triple my investment. Im pretty happy to see it at this level. Whos to say it wont be at .10 when we can sell, whos to say it wont be higher? I cant imagine it going way way down. Most traders have bought and sold already in its run and the covering is still happening... I believe a base price has already been set on this and its over .05, so call me crazy or a dreamer, but I bet we sell the restricted shares for over .10 when we can.
Posted by Chad on :
ok PC. I'll just wait, no choice really. lol However, if we somehow sell our shares at over .05, ur buying the best steaks and drinks are on you too. Posted by DivotDog on :
Chad, I also remain hopefully optimistic, with the thinking that this incredibly short position is mulitiplying the pps it will add value to the company and ultimately to the value of our shares when we recieve our non-restricted shares. I am a little concerned that when these shares are released back to the share holders that they may begin a sudden roll of profit taking driving the PPS down to a level below actual value. JPHC pps before the merger indicated our shares would be restricted was more than double what they finished at because of panic selling. To me that also says that this company has some value above our current restricted acquistion pps. IMO
For those trading PAIV either as flippers or LONGs, congrats what a great stock for you. Keep making lots of $$$.
Posted by PCola77 on :
If I end up selling for more than .05 I will personally fly out to Arizona and buy whatever steak and drinks you want.
quote:Originally posted by Chad: ok PC. I'll just wait, no choice really. lol However, if we somehow sell our shares at over .05, ur buying the best steaks and drinks are on you too.
Posted by db on :
at least were up so far
still waiting and holding
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: If I end up selling for more than .05 I will personally fly out to Arizona and buy whatever steak and drinks you want.
quote:Originally posted by Chad: ok PC. I'll just wait, no choice really. lol However, if we somehow sell our shares at over .05, ur buying the best steaks and drinks are on you too.
man i will be exstatic , if i get >05 , i bought jphc at .0008 Posted by pharaohno1 on :
I wonder when we will get our shares unrestricted from the merger. Does anyone know?
Posted by db on :
12:19:14
dropping price with 150 shares * .099
$14.85 trade
lol
Posted by Chad on :
i thought I read someone said 10 more months? however, if I remember from abck in the day, I thought it said we could sell only so much after a year and then any amount after 2 yrs?? I'll have to go back to posts and findout.
PS, I called Scottrade Compliance Dept. They said they have sent all info needed to PAIV TA.
I called PAIV TA, and she told me that they havent received all shareholders info from all scottrade accounts yet, but have got some. She said she would have someone call me to explain or talk about more.
Apparently PAIV TA will be sending our Certs to our addresses as soon as they get everyones info?
Let ya'll know if I get call and what more they say. I used #'s SAME, left in earlier post.
Posted by Chad on :
PS, it's a deal PCola. Looking forward to ur visit and the meal. Cant wait to party here in AZ.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
PAIV chart looking very promising indeed.
One of the advantages of the previous down cycle was that we now have FIRM support at .091. Prior to that, it was a free-fall to .051.
Textbook "falling threes" candle pattern, we're well within the bollingers now and the fast stoch line is crossing the signal line as we speak.
Williams has come around also - accumulation holding steady. There is still a buyer for every seller.
In fact, there is nothing about this chart that makes me nervous. I LOVE the new support level.
I very much get the feeling that the bulls had their say, then the bears - now we're staring at each other across the divide, waiting to see who moves first. Based on the huge run up so far, the bulls appear stronger - but the bears are mean with sharp fangs. It's not gonna be a one-day victory. There will be injuries and tales of extreme courage on both sides, and songs will be written and sung about the epic battle for generations to come...
Posted by DivotDog on :
Penny
"the bulls appear stronger - but the bears are mean with sharp fangs. It's not gonna be a one-day victory. There will be injuries and tales of extreme courage on both sides, and songs will be written and sung about the epic battle for generations to come... "
Thats funny LOL
Posted by PCola77 on :
Okay, maybe it makes sense to have people post how many shares of PAIV they hold, to try to get a reasonable estimate of the materiality of the Allstocks members holdings. Someone who has an account there could do the same at IHUB, and/or raging bulls. Obviously we'd just have to hope people post their real holdings and not some BS number to try to look like big shots.
Between myself and friends that don't post anywhere we have 217,000. What do you have?
Posted by bksundar on :
I have just 30K at 0.113
Posted by Chad on :
for myself PCola, not sure if its good to say, but who cares. lol 7.6 mill damn myself for selling half of my JPHC shares at .0003 and also not buying more of them at .0003 Coulda had twice that or even 3 times it.
oh well.
Posted by DivotDog on :
holding 3 mil long
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: for myself PCola, not sure if its good to say, but who cares. lol 7.6 mill damn myself for selling half of my JPHC shares at .0003 and also not buying more of them at .0003 Coulda had twice that or even 3 times it.
oh well.
I only hold 8k shares of PAIV, me so poor compare to you guys Posted by PCola77 on :
Sorry, I should have clarified. I am talking only about unrestricted shares to test the "Short Squeeze" theory. Yours are restricted, correct?
quote:Originally posted by Chad: for myself PCola, not sure if its good to say, but who cares. lol 7.6 mill damn myself for selling half of my JPHC shares at .0003 and also not buying more of them at .0003 Coulda had twice that or even 3 times it.
oh well.
Posted by PCola77 on :
bksundar, DivotDog, and freddy79, are yours restricted or unrestricted?
Posted by bksundar on :
Mine is unrestricted. Just bought last Friday ...
Posted by brackep on :
12000 unrestricted
Posted by Chad on :
oh, sorry, restricted. Posted by PCola77 on :
I figured. No big deal...
quote:Originally posted by Chad: oh, sorry, restricted.
Posted by PCola77 on :
pennyaddict71, you feel like starting a thread on ihub to gather share counts? I assume you are serfdom over there
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: bksundar, DivotDog, and freddy79, are yours restricted or unrestricted?
My are also unrestricted , bought on last Wednesday or Thrusday.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Does anyone have any paint that I can watch dry, I'm getting bored of watching PAIV
[ July 26, 2006, 15:26: Message edited by: PCola77 ]
Posted by PCola77 on :
nevermind. Didn't realize that I had created a username there at some point, I guess.
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: pennyaddict71, you feel like starting a thread on ihub to gather share counts? I assume you are serfdom over there
Posted by NomarKash on :
i got a cool million restricted.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Nevermind. Apparently it's a terrible idea and I was berated at IHub for even suggesting it. Now I remember why that place sucks so bad compared to here.
Posted by kermit42 on :
I'm surprised you got slapped around like that. I've seen it done on other threads there (EQBM).
Maybe serfdom got it right that you have to make friends first.
Posted by brackep on :
IMO a lot of PAIM investors will come back to PAIV tomorrow ... and in the days to come.
Posted by PCola77 on :
I'm pretty sure he's pennyaddict71 here. Always seemed like kind of an a-hole here too. Maybe he didn't read my post here and know that I've been here as long as I have, but I think it's just his personality shining through.
quote:Originally posted by kermit42: I'm surprised you got slapped around like that. I've seen it done on other threads there (EQBM).
Maybe serfdom got it right that you have to make friends first.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
damn man, LOL.. no I am adamgamz on Ihub and HSM.
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: I'm pretty sure he's pennyaddict71 here. Always seemed like kind of an a-hole here too. Maybe he didn't read my post here and know that I've been here as long as I have, but I think it's just his personality shining through.
quote:Originally posted by kermit42: I'm surprised you got slapped around like that. I've seen it done on other threads there (EQBM).
Maybe serfdom got it right that you have to make friends first.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Ok, I apologize. I was just annoyed that I was trying to do something to help people out and got freakin' pounced on.
I assumed you were the same person because you both posted the smae things. One of you copied posts directly from the other, not sure which is which.
quote:Originally posted by pennyaddict71: damn man, LOL.. no I am adamgamz on Ihub and HSM.
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: I'm pretty sure he's pennyaddict71 here. Always seemed like kind of an a-hole here too. Maybe he didn't read my post here and know that I've been here as long as I have, but I think it's just his personality shining through.
quote:Originally posted by kermit42: I'm surprised you got slapped around like that. I've seen it done on other threads there (EQBM).
Maybe serfdom got it right that you have to make friends first.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
yes I copied and pasted a few things, it's always a good idea IMO to post up info as to why this stock is running for the new people browsing this thread. On a side note are you guys worried about the billion or so shares bought well under a penny? Why haven't these people dumped on us if they are holding? IMO TD Ameritrade probably pulled these shares from the accounts soon after they were purchased, otherwise IMO we would have seen a dump sending this under a penny after dropping from the .20's. It would only take a fraction of those sold to tank this stock IMO.
Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
This guy on IHUB answered my question... those shares bought cheap have probably traded several times by now, otherwise we would have probably seen a dump on the last run.
adamgamz,
You think someone bought shares and that was cancelled???? Between RB and ihub, have you seen any posts that would indicate to you that something like that has happened? I don't recall reading any.
I know that plenty of people sold shares between .005 and .01 since May 19th and have since regretted it. If you're concerned about your paiv shares, it's at 10 cents, sell them.
Posted by same on :
Chad file an SEC Complaint
Or at least threaten Scottrade Compliance that you will file a SEC Complaint if they Scottrade do not cooperate with the T/A in supplying the information requested. As of now they have not sent all the Info required. Also e-mail Scottrade and start a paper trail.
Member Rated: 4 Icon 1 posted July 26, 2006 13:46 Profile for Chad Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote i thought I read someone said 10 more months? however, if I remember from abck in the day, I thought it said we could sell only so much after a year and then any amount after 2 yrs?? I'll have to go back to posts and findout.
PS, I called Scottrade Compliance Dept. They said they have sent all info needed to PAIV TA.
I called PAIV TA, and she told me that they havent received all shareholders info from all scottrade accounts yet, but have got some. She said she would have someone call me to explain or talk about more.
Apparently PAIV TA will be sending our Certs to our addresses as soon as they get everyones info?
Let ya'll know if I get call and what more they say. I used #'s SAME, left in earlier post. Posts: 239 | From: Peoria, A
Posted by Chad on :
SAME, I never got a return call from the PAIV TA. Also, Im not exactly sure how to go about filing an SEC complaint. Info on that would help if u know.
I'll try again with PAIV TA tomorrow after work. As for Scottrade. I emailed and got that reply back I posted and I called and got same info. So not sure where to go with them from there.
I'll keep trying. At least I know the date I can sell them starts from time merger exacuted and not from when I finally get my Cert. lol
Posted by Karma Earl on :
Ok, so I'm curious and need some one to check me on this. If the naked short is so much greater then the float. How are the brokers/MM suppose to buy shares to cover if there aren't even enough shares in circulation? Does anyone think they will make a deal with PAIV? if they do, this would be great (cash wise) for PAIV but, what will it do for the shareholders (free trade and restricted)? Would PAIV do a F/S to create more shares for them to purchase? Just some questions that popped in to my head.
Posted by bksundar on :
Any guesses if today is the day we see some pop ??
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
if we could just se a few hours into the future , sombody needs to invent a way to see 24 hrs into the future ,so we can invest in it LOL
Posted by same on :
Chad SEC and NASD Links are here
You can File the SEC Complanit and NASD Complaint from the links below in my previous post. Tell Scottrade you are doing so within 5 days if they do not cooperate with the T/A. I have spoken with T/A on this issue. He is a very busy man and at times he isoverloades with phone calls. He is in Colorado.
Very Important Scottrade and other Brokers on Paiv Restricted Shares
I talked three hours today to the Paiv Transfer Agent at Phone #1- 303-783-9055 and to Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900. This is what I found out.
I would first suggest that you find out the phone number of your broker’s Compliance Dept as I did and call them to request your Paiv Restricted Shares be sent to you in your name to your home address.
You must do this otherwise the Brokerages will not do anything to help you. They are out to help themselves... The Transfer Agent and the Company Paiv have done everything they can do, it’s the Brokerages that are not cooperating because they shorted JPHC and Paiv., they got greedy and are now caught in that greed, it is up to the Shereholders of JPHC to start complaining to their Brokerage Compliance Dept. that serves him or her. You as a client signed an agreement with your Brokerage Firm and have every right to do this. The Brokerages have been telling everyone different stories to buy time because they are making huge money from shorting JPHC and PAIV.
This is what I found out today July 14, 2006 about Scottrade who is my broker about my JPHC Shares. Now remember other Brokerages are doing the same thing .This is in three Parts A, B and C.
Part A
All of our JPHC Shares were held in CEDE&CO. All of out JPHC Shares were sent to the PAIV Transfer Agent by CEDE&CO.
The Transfer Agent has all the names and share totals for all JPHC shareholders that were sent to them by CEDE&CO.
This was done two months ago. The Transfer Agent faxed all Brokerages two months ago with detailed instructions for the Brokerages to follow.so that the JPHC shares could be converted to PAIV restricted Shares and sent to the owners of those Paiv Restricted Shares at their home address.
The Transfer Agent asked for the Name, Address, Social Securtity number and the amount of JPHC Shares held in the clients account.
Now how hard is this to do, it is all done electronically.
The Transfer Agent right now has all the PAIV Restricted Shares ready to be mailed out to us at our home addresses.
So why would the Brokerages not do what the Transfer Asked them to do. This is why.
Part B
I found this out while talking to the Transfer Agent, The Transfer Agent added up all the JPHC Shares that CEDE&CO sent them.
There was a HUGE Discrepency in the total JPHC share count that CEDE&CO sent to the Transfer Agent compared to what the Brokerage Participents Share Count.stated.
Why? Because a large number of brokers loaned out JPHC Shares to other participants to cover short sales which caused the huge share price drop in Paiv which caused the huge share number difference in what CEDE&CO sent the Transfer Agent compared to the Brokerage Participants JPHC totals.
For Scottrade my Broker they loaned JPHC Shares to Merill Lynch.
Other Brokerages did the same thing with many different brokerage Firms.
For Scottrade to correct this situation they have to demand the return of all the JPHC Shares from Merill Lynch or Scottrade has to buy in Merill Lynch based on the original transaction with merill Lynch.
This is what Scottrade is trying to get out of and why they along with other brokerage firms are not cooperating with the Transfer Agentfor PAIV.
The Brokerages also want to keep your PAIV Restricted Shares in their own Vault. Why? So when the restriction is lifted they can short the shares and start this process all over again.
They can not do this if you have the Shares in your name held by you. Here is the PAIV Press release for June29, 2006 stating the procedure for the Brokers to follow. I called my Broker Scottrade on June 30, 2006 and was told everything would be taken care of by Scottade and they knew of the Press release issued by Paiv. I called again on July 13, 2006 and was told that my JPHC shares were sent to the T/A and that within 5 days i should have my Paiv shares. I called again on july 14, 2006 and was told by numerous parties that Compliance was aware of the situation and working on it. I asked for the Compliance Dept number and received another story. I then called the Transfer Agent along with Loyola. The Transfer Agent talked to Scottrade and gave them specific Instrutions for the second time. These conversations took 3 hours. Press Release June 29, 2006 Paiv. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060629/0140620.html
PartC
This is what I was advised to do after tallking to the Transfer Agent of Paiv phone # 1-303-783-9055 and the Investor Relation firm Loyola used for Paiv phone # 1-702-317-2300.
I also found out there will be a fee of $25.00 per Cert. If you have two accounts it is $50.00.
By all means call numbers I listed above and ask your own Questions. Use my post for a reference and remember the Broker is out for themselves and making money, expect to be told stories by all the Brokerage firms involved in this fiascal and remember demand your Paiv Restricted Shares sent to your address in your name.
So with this information I found out today and on the advice I was given I called Scottrade Compliance Dept and left a message that I as a Scottrade Clinent and shareholder of JPHC shares will file an SEC Compaint against Scottrade for their refusal in cooperating with the above parties mentioned in giving me my Paiv Restricted Shares that I am entitled to mailed to my home address in my name.. I stated that if I did not have my Restricted Paiv shares within 10 days from today July 14, 2006 I would begin my SEC Complaint. against Scottrade, I will also file a Complaint with
Expect a song and dance from your Brokers saying that Latimere and DTC are involved. Do not fall for this and verify what I am posting here with the Paiv Transfer Agent..
Also I found out that the only way to stop Firms from Shorting Stock is for you the client to ask and sign an agreement with your Broker that they are not to loan your shares out. They will not tell you about this agreement you have to ask them for it. If they do loan your shares out you can sue them. Putting a Sell order above the price of a stock does not tie your shares up as some think it stops the firms from shorting.
I hope this helps and call your Compliance Dept right away.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
i am gettin sick and tired of them standin there with there teeth in there mouth,
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
i called agian to my broker and he said we are waiting , i said on what , he said just waiting , friggin BS , then i called ADP , he put me on hold and came back 2 minutes later and said he would half to get in touch with the reorg dept. , and said he would call me back after noon somtime , , i'll give it to 1:30 and will be calling them back ,
Posted by sportsguy on :
I agree, this is all getting ridiculus. And the fact that we aren't getting the big run up we wanted isn't helping!
Posted by freddy79 on :
Damm damm damm damm.... that's all I can do at the moment and also hold my shares tightly until they give me the pps I want to sell them at.
Posted by mcspeechless1 on :
Blackbeard,
I already lodged complaints to the SEC (enforcement*sec.gov) all we can do is wait now. Im sure your brokerage firm does not want to have continuous complaints lodged to the SEC.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Guys, I have a bad feeling here. I don't want to sound like a basher, as I'm still holding a lot of shares, but if we think about this logically, it doesn't paint a pretty picture.
As of July 11th, there were 239million shares shorted. Brokers knew this list was coming out on the 25th, and so they had 10 trading days to cover the shorts before the list was published. If you look at the volume, from the 11th-21st there was 488 million shares traded. If over those 9 trading days they covered all of their shorts, that means that people like us bought the other 249 million shares. Say the average price over that time was around 5 cents that's $12.5 million from people like us. I can't honestly think that retail investors put much more than that into this stock. So then the volume dropped off the face of the earth to 10, 11.5, 7.1 and 1.2 million the last 4 days.
Is it possible that the brokers already are done covering and the last 4 days we were all just trading with ourselves?
Someone please tell me a flaw in my logic, I feel kinda sick to my stomach.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
pcola, but what about the billions traded on that day?
still doesn't exactly make sense to me.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Good question. I guess it's possible that there were never "billions" shorted. The first two days of the fiasco (Friday and Monday) there were about 1.5 billion shares traded. By the end of Monday, we all knew that the shares were definitely supposed to be restricted, so it would be kinda dumb to believe that shares were still being shorted heavily by Tuesday. I also don't believe that anywhere near all of the 1.5 billion shares traded were actual shorts, and not just the same shares being traded between us retail investors. I know I myself bought and sold somewhere around 20 million shares that week, and I'm sure lots of other people did the same.
I have to believe that it's at least possible that the shares have all been covered. Ugh
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: pcola, but what about the billions traded on that day?
still doesn't exactly make sense to me.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
wow.. what the hell is going on.. crazy .025 .01s
Posted by PCola77 on :
WTF was that?
Last trades were, .078, .025, .015, .012, .01, .04, .02, .0079, .07, .0079, .079, .08
Posted by freddy79 on :
I think a few are selling to get into IGAI, that it's going krazy up over 700 %
Posted by sportsguy on :
I guess the bottom line is we're done fellas. At least I am.
Posted by freddy79 on :
They have to let this baby run, they just have to. I hate seeing other stocks just run like crazy like today it's IGAI Posted by PCola77 on :
Sucks, but I bailed too. I had more money in this than I was comfortable having. I f***ed up big time. Too scared to risk losing anymore. If it really is a MM game, they beat me bad. If my "analysis" is right, this has potential to get a lot worse as people get sick of holding and bail.
What it does show us is that if people really had held strong, this could have been the short squeeze of a lifetime, because as of just 2 weeks ago there was 1000% of the float being shorted. Can't say 35,000% isn't impressive, but it could have been better.
quote:Originally posted by sportsguy: I guess the bottom line is we're done fellas. At least I am.
Posted by brackep on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Sucks, but I bailed too. I had more money in this than I was comfortable having. I f***ed up big time. Too scared to risk losing anymore. If it really is a MM game, they beat me bad. If my "analysis" is right, this has potential to get a lot worse as people get sick of holding and bail.
What it does show us is that if people really had held strong, this could have been the short squeeze of a lifetime. Can't say 35,000% isn't impressive, but it could have been better.
quote:Originally posted by sportsguy: I guess the bottom line is we're done fellas. At least I am.
PCola77, the way you think is what MM's are hoping for! I can only hope the rest of the people will hold ...
WHY ? because they are still short !!!! they are trying to bring the PPS down, with every little trick they have, so they can cover there shorts on a lower price. Don't let them fool us !!!!
Posted by freddy79 on :
[/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]PCola77, the way you think is what MM's are hoping for! I can only hope the rest of the people will hold ...
WHY ? because they are still short !!!! they are trying to bring the PPS down, with every little trick they have, so they can cover there shorts on a lower price. Don't let them fool us !!!! [/QB][/QUOTE]
That's exactly my thinking, bring it down with so little vol. So they dont have to pay that much when they need to cover the shorts. I'm just simply gonna hold that's final.
Posted by PCola77 on :
brackep, can you point out somethign incorrect in my analysis that makes youi sure that they are still short, or is it just a gut feeling, or instinct or hope? I can't justify having as much money in there as I did with just "feelings", or "hope". Back when the numbers made sense that they were defintely short, I could justify it. However I screwed up and didn't take my profits. I got $ in my eyes and was hoping that this would be my big winner. If you can give me a reason based on facts or evidence, I'd be fine jumping back in with a smaller amount, but I just got a bad feeling this morning when it went up and then came back down hard.
Posted by brackep on :
nicely said on another board:
- the fact is that legally the restricted shares that flooded the market have to be bought back. That's a fact. The number of restricted shares sold back in May far exceeds our volume traded since then. The brokers/MM's LEGALLY have to buy these back before shareholders can receive their certs. They can't delay this forever. The PPS will go higher as long as people who currently hold paivis shares hold for higher prices and not let the MM's shake cheap shares. -
- It's supply and demand...we have the supply that TDA/MM's need (demand) to cover. If we hold, they have to increase the pps to a level that will entice shareholders to sell. -
PCola77 and others you know by now how many shares there has been shorted:
July 1 - July 15 : 239 million Before July 1 : +- 4 billion (let's say 2 billion) After July 15 - till now : ???
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
i just got off the phone with loyola , she sad to expect a letter in the mail today or so , and that this is not an electronic thing , the brokers need to send paper certs to the TA . i guess we knew all that but i didn't know that it wasn't going to be electronic
Posted by PCola77 on :
There are too many incorrect statements in that calculation. First is that there were 2-4 billion shares shorted. AS I said earlier. The TOTAL shares traded on those first two days was 1.5 billion. You can't possibly think that they inadvertantly shorted any more since that date, especially since we all know that Ameritrade suspended sll orders as of that Tuesday. And of those 1.5 billion shares, you can guarantee that not even close to the full # of trades were shorts, because people like myself were buying and selling shares like crazy. Even if you say that they shorted all 1.5 billion shares, there has been almost 2.5 billion shares traded since days 1 and 2. My only point is that there is really nothing to assure us that the shares haven't been covered by now. Like I said, prove me otherwise and I'll get back in as quickly as I can, but I just can't be confident that there is any kind of short squeeze left.
the second problem is that you're saying 2-4 billion shares were shorted and another 239million from July 1-15. I'm pretty sure you're not reading the report correctly. As of July 11th, there were 239 million shares shorted. That doesn't mean that there were 239million shares shorted from July 1-15, it means tha tthe total uncovered shorts on the books as of July 11th is 239 million. So if you assume there were 1.5 billion shares shorted in those first two days, then 1.3 billion were already covered by July 11th. It's not a cumulative number, it's a snapshot as of July 11th.
quote:Originally posted by brackep: nicely said on another board:
- the fact is that legally the restricted shares that flooded the market have to be bought back. That's a fact. The number of restricted shares sold back in May far exceeds our volume traded since then. The brokers/MM's LEGALLY have to buy these back before shareholders can receive their certs. They can't delay this forever. The PPS will go higher as long as people who currently hold paivis shares hold for higher prices and not let the MM's shake cheap shares. -
- It's supply and demand...we have the supply that TDA/MM's need (demand) to cover. If we hold, they have to increase the pps to a level that will entice shareholders to sell. -
PCola77 and others you know by now how many shares there has been shorted:
July 1 - July 15 : 239 million Before July 1 : +- 4 billion (let's say 2 billion) After July 15 - till now : ???
Posted by brackep on :
"I'm pretty sure you're not reading the report correctly."
post the report and point me out to where I'm wrong plz
Posted by PCola77 on :
"Firms are required to report their short positions as of settlement on the 15th of each month, or the preceding business day if the 15th is not a business day. The reports must be filed by the second business day after the reporting settlement date. The short interest data is compiled and provided for publication on the 8th business day after the reporting settlement date."
This is saying that as of July 15th, the total short positions for all brokers was 239million, not 239 million + billions from the previous month.
quote:Originally posted by brackep: "I'm pretty sure you're not reading the report correctly."
post the report and point me out to where I'm wrong plz
Posted by brackep on :
I would believe you if you could choose all months before July 2006. Then you could actually see some difference. But now ... I'm just gonna stick to what I think is right.
Again: - the fact is that legally the restricted shares that flooded the market have to be bought back. That's a fact. The number of restricted shares sold back in May far exceeds our volume traded since then. The brokers/MM's LEGALLY have to buy these back before shareholders can receive their certs. They can't delay this forever. The PPS will go higher as long as people who currently hold paivis shares hold for higher prices and not let the MM's shake cheap shares. -
It's a lot more then 239 million shares short they have to cover.
No hard Feelings ... I hope you had a great time and made a few $
Posted by PCola77 on :
You can't choose months before July since the law just went into effect. You probably already know that though. Anyway, it shows a column for previous month, current month, and % change. That wouldn't make sense unless it's at a point in time. Also, it flat out SAYS it's as of a certain date, I don't see much room for interpretation there.
Not trying to be a jerk or anything, just showing the other side. Too many times we all get caught up in the hype, and put blinders on to the risks. I forget who posted it, but someone earlier in this thread said "People blame the market makers all the way into bankruptcy." As soon as I saw that I thought "He's right, I should probably sell" and of course I made the same mistake I, and a lot of other people make, and said ot myself "No, THIS is the stock that's different from all the rest."
quote:Originally posted by brackep: I would believe you if you could choose all months before July 2006. Then you could actually see some difference. But now ... I'm just gonna stick to what I think is right.
Again: - the fact is that legally the restricted shares that flooded the market have to be bought back. That's a fact. The number of restricted shares sold back in May far exceeds our volume traded since then. The brokers/MM's LEGALLY have to buy these back before shareholders can receive their certs. They can't delay this forever. The PPS will go higher as long as people who currently hold paivis shares hold for higher prices and not let the MM's shake cheap shares. -
It's a lot more then 239 million shares short they have to cover.
No hard Feelings ... I hope you had a great time and made a few $
Posted by brackep on :
PAIVIS CORP (PAIV) OTC Type: OTCBB
Short Interest for July 2006
Short Interest: 239,455,555
Percent Change: 100.00
Average Daily Share Volume: 22,135,113
Days to Cover: 10.82
It says: "Short Interest FOR July 2006" This means only for July 2006 or, if this is wrong then they need to change that to "Short Interest TILL July 2006"
Could someone e-mail otcbb.com or any other instance so we can clear this out ?
Posted by brackep on :
from another board:
A very simple understanding of a short cover. First let me make clear that there is no set timeframe to cover a short position. Unlike a "put or call" when trading options, a short position can theoretically remain open indefinitely. A short position must be covered when the broker has no recourse but to initiate a margin call on the shorted position....period. Brokers "borrow" your shares as a "street name" cert from their own clients, other brokers accounts, or their own holdings to "cover" the cert transfer. By making those certs unavailable,( we will have them framed and hanging on the wall) that takes your shares out of the trading pool. The smaller the pool of "street name" shares available to the brokers, the more difficult for them to cover those phantom....or real shares when we force them to place a margin call on some shorts by requesting our certs.
We know there are potentially billions of phantom shares out there, and by requesting your cert for your restricted as well as "free trade" shares you may have purchsed, this puts the brokers in the position to supply certs that don't exist. What do they do then? They have to reduce the number of phantom "free trade" shares and remove those phantom shares from the market because they don't have the required "street name" certs to cover and convert to YOUR free trade certs YOU want to frame and hang on the wall. How do they do this? They must purchase them on the open market....for a price. Now....it can get quite complicated from here. Since the brokers hold in street name all these billions of shares, they can electronically use your shares to cover other positions over and over and over....effectively removing those phantom shares from the market. You see TDA mm on the bid/ask...what do you think they are doing. But...they are in competition with you and me to get those shares, so they will do a lot of manipulating in order to cover what they can and remove those phantom shares. Hence the stalling by the brokers to give up our information to the TA. Once they no longer possess our shares in street name, they have a much smaller pool to take a dip in. Eventually, a price will have to be paid to clear up this mess, and with only ~23m float out there, and us attempting to buy what we can of that to keep away from them, I see a potential for this to afford us all an opportunity to make some great bucks along the way.
Posted by PCola77 on :
It's semantics. "Short Interest FOR July 2006" means for the July report, which, it clearly states is AS OF July 15th. I'll shoot an e-mail to OTCBB.com and see if I can get any clarification (if I can find an e-mail address) and post if I get a reply.
quote:Originally posted by brackep: PAIVIS CORP (PAIV) OTC Type: OTCBB
Short Interest for July 2006
Short Interest: 239,455,555
Percent Change: 100.00
Average Daily Share Volume: 22,135,113
Days to Cover: 10.82
It says: "Short Interest FOR July 2006" This means only for July 2006 or, if this is wrong then they need to change that to "Short Interest TILL July 2006"
Could someone e-mail otcbb.com or any other instance so we can clear this out ?
Posted by tonicma on :
Man, still holding, this is good place to buy if you want to get in. Still holding this, and paim.
Love the shakes they are doing.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
ok i am on the phone with my broker and point blank asked them if they have surrendered my jphc shares , after getting the run around 3 times she reluctantly said NO
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
good to see yer still holdin tonicma
Posted by yolkarmy on :
lmao tonicma you are something else.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
did yall get yer letters igot mine
Posted by PCola77 on :
I got a letter from Scottrade tha's basically a word for word printout of the PR from a couple of weeks ago. Is that the letter that you got?
quote:Originally posted by BLACKBEARD: did yall get yer letters igot mine
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
yeah thats the one but the bold print on the back sttod out to me again ,about specifically asking them to surrender jphc shares ,,, so i called and did that again ,,, demanded they surrener my jphc shares he said he could not give an exact date but he said adp said 2 weeks , which we have all heard before , but i did find out that DTC declined to participate in this sharade
Posted by PCola77 on :
brackep, and other interested parties. I just sent the following e-mail and got the reply that follows:
"Hello,
I am having a bit of a hard time figuring out exactly what is meant by "short interest". Can you let me know which of the following is the correct interpretation, or if neither is correct, an explanation of the actual meaning?
Say Company ABCD reports 10million shares short for July 2006 and then 11million for August 2006.
Interpretation 1: As of July 15th there were 10million uncovered short shares and as of August 15th there were 11million uncovered short shares, so essentially 1 million new short shares occurred from July 15th to August 15th.
Interpretation 2: There were 10 million shares shorted in July and 11 million shorted in August, so the total number of shorted shares of company ABCD is 21 million plus some unknown number that were shorted before July 2006.
Thank you in advance for any clarification that you can provide."
Reply:
"Hello xxxxx, Interpretation 1 is correct. The Rules require firms to report their outstanding short positions as of close of business on each given settlement date. The short interest that is reported by member firms and subsequently disseminated by NASD (after aggregation) is essentially a "snapshot" of the short interest of a security for that point of the month (settlement date).
So the next month a firm will report their total outstanding position as of the next settlement date, which should be inclusive of any increase or decrease to the prior position.
Hope this helps, please let me know if you have any further questions.
Regards,"
Posted by yolkarmy on :
pcola, you're the best!
Posted by mcspeechless1 on :
I have contacted ADP by email and courtesy copied the SEC on every email. I have not heard back from them as of yet. Im sure they had to send my emails to their legal department. enforcement*sec.gov I also filed a written complaint....I dontk know how good it will do but no one likes a watchdog on their back.
Posted by PCola77 on :
If this drops below .07 it could be a freefall. I'm out of my freetrading shares, but with restricteds, I'm still hoping to see this do well, but I don't have a good feeling.
Posted by freddy79 on :
What the hell just happened, I got play some bbal and you guys let it drop to .06 Posted by bksundar on :
It is falling like a knife !!!! Reached 0.054
Posted by PCola77 on :
Actually it dropped to .054, bounced back some.
Posted by sportsguy on :
And on top of that, tomorrow is Friday... yikes.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
well i am holdin ,i spent the majority of the day on the phone today , and never got the same answer twice , they are all hiding somthing ,(massive short) IMO if they had already covered , somebody would have been able to give a firm date as to when i would recieve my restricteds , also filed SEC complaint, if everybody does this we will create the buzz needed to run this this
Posted by db on :
ouch!
still holding
Posted by PCola77 on :
Sorry guys, I truly hope it goes back up for you. I may even hop back in if momentum comes back, but tomorrow could get ugly. I bet a lot of people will have an itchy trigger finger.
Posted by db on :
wow ! what a shake - all those shorted shares and the MM's can drive the pps down like that,
amazing
I really wish somebody knew EXACTLY what the time frame is for the short position to be covered
Posted by freddy79 on :
We are all clueless right now about the time frame , but I'm gonna hold my shares even though it makes look like a fool for tyring to hold a hard falling knife Posted by pennyaddict71 on :
well I sold 200,000 and my broker uses NITE when I sell. I sold off at .092 and the fall began when I dumped. What really concerns me here is the fact that there are a small group of people who bought Paiv when it was under .001, I thought these people would have sold their shares off by now however I was told on IHUB that is not the case, there are several people whom hold a very large position back when this stock was in the sub penny area. It makes me uneasy when I have my hard earned money in a stock that someone loaded up on at 1/100th of the price I am currently paying.
I dumped 200K and you see what it did to the price, imagine if just one person decides to dump 3 million.. its over and out. Basically if you look at the charts you will see PAIV was front loaded like no other stock I have seen, 1.5 billion shares traded in 48 hours.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Everyone please do your own thinking on this. Don't just take what someone else says, think it through yourself.
1) approximately 1.5 billion shares traded on Friday May 19th and Monday May 22.
2) Ameritrade halted trading in PAIV first thing Tuesday May 23rd. No one could have sold their shares any day after Monday the 22nd.
3) 2.5 billion shares have been traded since May 23rd
4) As of July 11th, there were 239 million shares shorted in PAIV, which was confirmed in an e-mail to the NASDAQ person in chanrge of the OTCBB short reporting list. The are not billions of short shares.
5) 524 million shares have traded since July 11th.
Do with this information what you'd like, I think you're all probably aware of my opinion by now. I think all short shares have been covered and we were just trading amongst ourselves for the last few days.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
- Dallas, I just got off the phone with Mr. Donnelly and was very impressed. I suggest anyone who has doubts about TDA and the rest of the brokers covering need to contact him directly. I got lucky and caught him off the phone. Apparently he has received hundreds of calls from paivis/jphc shareholders. Anyway, he told me exactly what Dallas stated about TDA refusing critical information. When I relayed to him that many of us had filed complaints with the SEC, he stated that he knew that because the SEC had already contact him to get information about the situation. He even went on to say a SEC rep contacted him today again. I asked him point blank if he was confident that TDA and other brokers would be required to cover and he state that yes, they would have to cover and that Paivis was doing what they legally could to address the situation also. So, even after today's drop, I'm much more confident about this investment. GLTA -
Posted by brackep on :
from another board:
- Just called TA, confirmed that none of the Brokers have covered, or contacted him in regards of giving them the Jupiter share holders info. -
Posted by same on :
From T/A on Scottrade just now
Scottrade sent documents to the T/A. This is what is missing, One Scottrade has not sent in their RECORD POSISTION on JPHC as requested by the T/A. May 11 and May 23 are the dates needed and were requested by the T/A. Two Scottrade did not provide the JPHC to Paiv CONVERSION Calulations as requested.
Without these the T/A can not issue us our PAIV Restricted Shares. Use this post Copy and Paste it in an e-mail to Scottrade requesting they cooperate with the T/A Jack Donnelly and send the T/A the above information. This has been two months now.
Posted by Hannibull on :
quote:Originally posted by pennyaddict71: well I sold 200,000 and my broker uses NITE when I sell. I sold off at .092 and the fall began when I dumped. What really concerns me here is the fact that there are a small group of people who bought Paiv when it was under .001, I thought these people would have sold their shares off by now however I was told on IHUB that is not the case, there are several people whom hold a very large position back when this stock was in the sub penny area. It makes me uneasy when I have my hard earned money in a stock that someone loaded up on at 1/100th of the price I am currently paying.
I dumped 200K and you see what it did to the price, imagine if just one person decides to dump 3 million.. its over and out. Basically if you look at the charts you will see PAIV was front loaded like no other stock I have seen, 1.5 billion shares traded in 48 hours.
Im sure a lot of those people who haven't sold yet are people with restricted stock (from JPHC). If it makes you feel better, those people won't be able to sell their shares for another year or so, until then you're fine. I'm not following PAIV that much anymore so I don't know which direction it will take in the coming trading sessions
Posted by brackep on :
from another board:
- The FACTS about Paivis are in this post
I've been following this company/situation for five months. Here are the facts. *macro communications is profitable. our numbers will be coming out any day now. expect solid numbers. *our new leadership is proven and is taking steps to make the company run *there are at least 239 million shorted shares on this stock. there are probably more if you consider the "phantom share" debacle that occurred on May 19th. *the stock ran from .005 to .275 in a few weeks. this was not a one day "pump and dump" run. this was a steady, high volume, consistent run. *the volume has been very low on the recent decline. the mm's are giving this stock a shake that "would make your teeth rattle". think about it......any shares that they can get at these levels are crucial considering that the price is way undervalued at the current level. *the company had a website up for one day. the website was well designed and informative. now if you go to www.paivis.com is says, "coming soon". they pulled the website after one day so the shorts could have more time to cover. *also, the company has not issued an operational press release since the merger in May. Why? because the company is being flexible with the crooks that need to cover the shorted shares. that's right. the same guys that drove jphc into the ground are now being given some leeway to cover with paivis. *once the numbers come out, the website gets reposted, and the manipulation stops with the execution of trades, you will see this stock settle in the 1.00 to 1.50 range. if you have been looking for the investement of a lifetime, here it is. *why do all of the message boards seem to be pressuring people to sell paivis? is it because there are people on the boards that are concerned about me losing money? of course not! with this much pressure to sell I know that i have my hands on a big hitter. *so, in summary, thank you serfdom for all of your posts. you and i have very similar outlooks on this stock. i am going to keep my "kung fu grip" on my 610000 shares. my hope is to sell them for about 1.30 sometime in the next four weeks.
i think that pretty much sums it up. happy investing. kid -
Posted by yolkarmy on :
i also find it funny that every time a stock sinks into the micro penny abyss.. there will be a few shouting to "hold on strong"
they've championed bagholding.
we have our resident clown here.. tonicma.. they have theirs.. serf.
Posted by sportsguy on :
And we're PAIVing the way to another fabulous start to a Friday Posted by same on :
Scottrade July 27 Update With T/A Info needed
Scottrade sent documents to the T/A.
This is what is missing, One Scottrade has not sent in their RECORD POSISTION on JPHC as requested by the T/A. May 11 and May 23 are the dates needed and were requested by the T/A.
Two Scottrade did not provide the JPHC to Paiv CONVERSION Calulations as requested.
Without these the T/A can not issue us our PAIV Restricted Shares.
Use this post Copy and Paste it in an e-mail to Scottrade requesting they cooperate with the T/A Jack Donnelly and send the T/A the above information.
This has been two months now. Here are Links and phone numbers do a SEC and NASD Complaint, Call the Compliance Dept Scottrade, Call and verify with the T/A.
Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900. ******************************************************** These are my older posts on the same subject Scottrade.
E-Mail and call your Brokers Compliance Dept NOW
Repost On Scottrade the LISTS, Important
Also other Brokerages are not cooperating with the T/A. E-Mail and call your Brokers Compliance Dept NOW. They are stalling.
I just found this out July 24, 2006 at 12.20 pm est from T/A.
The Lists Were sent out to T/A as stated by Scottrade but they Scottrade did not include one item. Scottrade did not provide the T/A their Stock Record Posistion on JPHC as of the record date. The T/A needs this to verify the totals, without this he can not send out the Certificates to us. The T/A is going to sent out another Fax asking for this material.
IMO Scottrade knew very well what they were doing and did not include their Stock Record Posistion on JPHC as of the record date needed by the T/A. Call and e-mail Scottrade Compliance dept Phone Numbers are below in my previous posts about Scottrade. *********************************************************** By: same53 20 Jul 2006, 10:58 AM EDT Msg. 9794 of 11070 (Msg. is a reply to 9182 by same53.) Repost Very Important about Brokers and Paiv Shares
I talked three hours today to the Paiv Transfer Agent at Phone #1- 303-783-9055 and to Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900. This is what I found out.
I would first suggest that you find out the phone number of your broker’s Compliance Dept as I did and call them to request your Paiv Restricted Shares be sent to you in your name to your home address.
You must do this otherwise the Brokerages will not do anything to help you. They are out to help themselves... The Transfer Agent and the Company Paiv have done everything they can do, it’s the Brokerages that are not cooperating because they shorted JPHC and Paiv., they got greedy and are now caught in that greed, it is up to the Shereholders of JPHC to start complaining to their Brokerage Compliance Dept. that serves him or her. You as a client signed an agreement with your Brokerage Firm and have every right to do this. The Brokerages have been telling everyone different stories to buy time because they are making huge money from shorting JPHC and PAIV.
This is what I found out today July 14, 2006 about Scottrade who is my broker about my JPHC Shares. Now remember other Brokerages are doing the same thing .This is in three Parts A, B and C.
Part A
All of our JPHC Shares were held in CEDE&CO. All of out JPHC Shares were sent to the PAIV Transfer Agent by CEDE&CO.
The Transfer Agent has all the names and share totals for all JPHC shareholders that were sent to them by CEDE&CO.
This was done two months ago. The Transfer Agent faxed all Brokerages two months ago with detailed instructions for the Brokerages to follow.so that the JPHC shares could be converted to PAIV restricted Shares and sent to the owners of those Paiv Restricted Shares at their home address.
The Transfer Agent asked for the Name, Address, Social Securtity number and the amount of JPHC Shares held in the clients account.
Now how hard is this to do, it is all done electronically.
The Transfer Agent right now has all the PAIV Restricted Shares ready to be mailed out to us at our home addresses.
So why would the Brokerages not do what the Transfer Asked them to do. This is why.
Part B
I found this out while talking to the Transfer Agent, The Transfer Agent added up all the JPHC Shares that CEDE&CO sent them.
There was a HUGE Discrepency in the total JPHC share count that CEDE&CO sent to the Transfer Agent compared to what the Brokerage Participents Share Count.stated.
Why? Because a large number of brokers loaned out JPHC Shares to other participants to cover short sales which caused the huge share price drop in Paiv which caused the huge share number difference in what CEDE&CO sent the Transfer Agent compared to the Brokerage Participants JPHC totals.
For Scottrade my Broker they loaned JPHC Shares to Merill Lynch.
Other Brokerages did the same thing with many different brokerage Firms.
For Scottrade to correct this situation they have to demand the return of all the JPHC Shares from Merill Lynch or Scottrade has to buy in Merill Lynch based on the original transaction with merill Lynch.
This is what Scottrade is trying to get out of and why they along with other brokerage firms are not cooperating with the Transfer Agentfor PAIV.
The Brokerages also want to keep your PAIV Restricted Shares in their own Vault. Why? So when the restriction is lifted they can short the shares and start this process all over again.
They can not do this if you have the Shares in your name held by you. Here is the PAIV Press release for June29, 2006 stating the procedure for the Brokers to follow. I called my Broker Scottrade on June 30, 2006 and was told everything would be taken care of by Scottade and they knew of the Press release issued by Paiv. I called again on July 13, 2006 and was told that my JPHC shares were sent to the T/A and that within 5 days i should have my Paiv shares. I called again on july 14, 2006 and was told by numerous parties that Compliance was aware of the situation and working on it. I asked for the Compliance Dept number and received another story. I then called the Transfer Agent along with Loyola. The Transfer Agent talked to Scottrade and gave them specific Instrutions for the second time. These conversations took 3 hours. Press Release June 29, 2006 Paiv. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060629/0140620.html
PartC
This is what I was advised to do after tallking to the Transfer Agent of Paiv phone # 1-303-783-9055 and the Investor Relation firm Loyola used for Paiv phone # 1-702-317-2300.
I also found out there will be a fee of $25.00 per Cert. If you have two accounts it is $50.00.
By all means call numbers I listed above and ask your own Questions. Use my post for a reference and remember the Broker is out for themselves and making money, expect to be told stories by all the Brokerage firms involved in this fiascal and remember demand your Paiv Restricted Shares sent to your address in your name.
So with this information I found out today and on the advice I was given I called Scottrade Compliance Dept and left a message that I as a Scottrade Clinent and shareholder of JPHC shares will file an SEC Compaint against Scottrade for their refusal in cooperating with the above parties mentioned in giving me my Paiv Restricted Shares that I am entitled to mailed to my home address in my name.. I stated that if I did not have my Restricted Paiv shares within 10 days from today July 14, 2006 I would begin my SEC Complaint. against Scottrade, I will also file a Complaint with
Expect a song and dance from your Brokers saying that Latimere and DTC are involved. Do not fall for this and verify what I am posting here with the Paiv Transfer Agent..
Also I found out that the only way to stop Firms from Shorting Stock is for you the client to ask and sign an agreement with your Broker that they are not to loan your shares out. They will not tell you about this agreement you have to ask them for it. If they do loan your shares out you can sue them. Putting a Sell order above the price of a stock does not tie your shares up as some think it stops the firms from shorting.
I hope this helps and call your Compliance Dept right away.
Posted by freddy79 on :
Now today's high vol in 20 mins looks like people bailing out
Posted by db on :
when it comes to shorting a stock, nss and what is really going on is way, way, more complicated than what some people may think.
please go to the site listed below and watch the video it takes about an hour but it's good chit and will make you think about PAIV's situation
[URL=www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html]
I'm still holding but I already made alot of money on this and riding free and restricted shares.
Posted by nomed on :
You are cleared for LIFT OFF, so just do it!
Posted by nomed on :
We need a cheerleader...
GO PAIV GO GO PAIV GO RA RA REEE KICK UM IN THE KNEE RA RA RASS.... KICK UM IN THE OTHER KNEE
Posted by PCola77 on :
brackep, here is your post and my replies in Italics:
I've been following this company/situation for five months.
As have I.
Here are the facts. *macro communications is profitable. our numbers will be coming out any day now. expect solid numbers.
I don't disagree, but don't have enough info to say that I expect solid numbers.
*our new leadership is proven and is taking steps to make the company run
Not sure how anyone can call that a fact, seems like an opinion if there ever was one. That being said, I don't necesarily disagree with that either.
*there are at least 239 million shorted shares on this stock. there are probably more if you consider the "phantom share" debacle that occurred on May 19th.
This is flat out, 100% wrong. As of close of business on July 11th, there were 239 million shares short, we have no idea how many are short now, but you can be pretty sure it's not anywhere near that number, and certainly not "probably more".
*the stock ran from .005 to .275 in a few weeks. this was not a one day "pump and dump" run. this was a steady, high volume, consistent run.
This is definitely true, except it went to .285 if I recall correctly. However, no one (as far as I know) has ever claimed this was a pump and dump.
*the volume has been very low on the recent decline. the mm's are giving this stock a shake that "would make your teeth rattle". think about it......any shares that they can get at these levels are crucial considering that the price is way undervalued at the current level.
There's another very possible reason for the volume to be what it is, and that's because the MMs have covered and have lost interest, and so only retail investors are buying/selling now.
*the company had a website up for one day. the website was well designed and informative. now if you go to www.paivis.com is says, "coming soon". they pulled the website after one day so the shorts could have more time to cover.
I never heard about the one day website, so I can't comment on that, but "so the shorts could have more time to cover" is conjecture at best.
*also, the company has not issued an operational press release since the merger in May. Why? because the company is being flexible with the crooks that need to cover the shorted shares. that's right. the same guys that drove jphc into the ground are now being given some leeway to cover with paivis.
Again, conjecture.
*once the numbers come out, the website gets reposted, and the manipulation stops with the execution of trades, you will see this stock settle in the 1.00 to 1.50 range. if you have been looking for the investement of a lifetime, here it is.
Can you point me to even one single "fact" in this point?
*why do all of the message boards seem to be pressuring people to sell paivis? is it because there are people on the boards that are concerned about me losing money? of course not! with this much pressure to sell I know that i have my hands on a big hitter.
This is classic pumper behavior, "all of the message boards seem to be pressuring people to sell paivis"? If there's more than one or two people on this board or ihub "pressuring people to sell" I'd love to see it. In fact, you can count me as someone who's "pressuring people to sell" even though I've never told anyone to sell, just that I sold, and want to present the other side of the coin, since the "pumper"/"basher" ratio is usually 90/10 at worst. And as hard as this guy seems to find it to believe, the thing that I am concerned about most certainly is with people losing money based on false hope and ridiculous promises of great wealth.
*so, in summary, thank you serfdom for all of your posts. you and i have very similar outlooks on this stock. i am going to keep my "kung fu grip" on my 610000 shares. my hope is to sell them for about 1.30 sometime in the next four weeks.
Can't say I disgree with anything in this point, but it's completely irrelevant to the fact that we have no proof anymore that ther is any short position at all. Posted by db on :
PAIV still listed on reg sho list
I'm waiting for next short list if PAIV still short by millions then pcola77 is wrong and you would have to ask why would this stock still be shorted?
if they clean up their mess and have no listed short position then they still have the problem of the restricted fiasco
oh yea, (CHEER)
THEY TRY AND BRING IT DOWN BUT I"M STILL HOLDING FAST MM"s SUK AND THEIR BREATH SMELLS LIKE A$$
GOOOOOOO! PAIVVVVVV!
Posted by PCola77 on :
What do you mean by "pcola77 is wrong"? I'm only saying that it is possible that the shorts have been covered. If I said anything more certain, then I apologize. I'm only sayign taht the reason most of us bought this stock was because we were sure that they weer still signiificantly short. That is no longer the case. It IS possible that they are completely covered, which adds a lot of risk, and to me, at this point, the risk/reward is too high.
quote:Originally posted by db: PAIV still listed on reg sho list
I'm waiting for next short list if PAIV still short by millions then pcola77 is wrong and you would have to ask why would this stock still be shorted?
if they clean up their mess and have no listed short position then they still have the problem of the restricted fiasco
oh yea, (CHEER)
THEY TRY AND BRING IT DOWN BUT I"M STILL HOLDING FAST MM"s SUK AND THEIR BREATH SMELLS LIKE A$$
GOOOOOOO! PAIVVVVVV!
Posted by db on :
pcola77 quote,
Do wiDo th this information what you'd like, I think you're all probaDo with bly aware of my opinion by now. I think all short shares have been covered and we were just trading amongst ourselves foDo with this information what you'd like, I think you're all probably aware of my opinion by now. I think all short shares have been covered and we were just trading amongst ourselves r the last few days
you could be right
Posted by db on :
LOL!! sorry about the do wido and probado, bly
Posted by PCola77 on :
haha, I was like, "Holy sh*t, what was I on when I typed that?!"
quote:Originally posted by db: LOL!! sorry about the do wido and probado, bly
Posted by PCola77 on :
By the way, I do hope that I am wrong, I still hold a very small amount, kinda like a lottery ticket. I'm much more comfortable just holding a few hundred dollars of this than I was when I held $56,000 worth at .28 and watched it fall to under $25,000 before bailing.
Posted by brackep on :
.61 x .64
Posted by brackep on :
PCola77,
Let's just wait and see and hope it goes up ... I think everybody wants that.
Let's post our DD and try to correct each other so we can only have facts left.
regards,
brackep
Posted by db on :
I guess I just want to be part of a big squeeze on the MM's I really hope they haven't covered with everything that has gone on (been here since the early JPHC days) and the price goes to all new highs.
I really believe no one knows whats going to happen because everything is so messed up!
it was a blast to watch the price run up so fast
Posted by brackep on :
well financials should also come out by august 15th ...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Agreed. Despite the constant claims otherwise, I don't buy for a second that ther are really people that come on here taht are paid to bash stocks to drive the price down so people can buy or cover cheaper. And if there are some, they're not in the quantity that people seem to think they are.
quote:Originally posted by brackep: PCola77,
Let's just wait and see and hope it goes up ... I think everybody wants that.
Let's post our DD and try to correct each other so we can only have facts left.
regards,
brackep
Posted by brackep on :
PCola77,
Are you in other stocks also, or looking to get in some ?
Posted by PCola77 on :
I've been mostly on the sidelines lately. Keeping an eye out, but nothing's jumped out at me recently.
Posted by brackep on :
maybe you should look into DDSI (Digital Descriptor Systems, Inc) ...
there are some threads on allstocks.com with great DD.
last 2 weeks we have seen a lot more volume probably because the 10Q that is coming out around mid august will show profitabilty, after they bought CGM in 2005 ...
Posted by Leostock2006 on :
hoping PAIV goes up... now just stayed .058 x .059 no volume last 15 mins
Posted by PCola77 on :
If I'm remembering correctly, people have been claiming that one is going to run for months now. I'm trying to stay away from anything sub-penny because I ALWAYS seem to play them wrong. I'll sell after like 20% gain and then watch it go up another 5000% or I'll get stuck holding the bag and lose like 50% at least.
quote:Originally posted by brackep: maybe you should look into DDSI (Digital Descriptor Systems, Inc) ...
there are some threads on allstocks.com with great DD.
last 2 weeks we have seen a lot more volume probably because the 10Q that is coming out around mid august will show profitabilty, after they bought CGM in 2005 ...
Posted by ArmySGT on :
that makes two of us pcola, did it with FHAL, did it withe ECUI didnt do it with the first big run on PAIV but now i am sitting here keeping fingers crossed for some life lol
Posted by brackep on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: If I'm remembering correctly, people have been claiming that one is going to run for months now. I'm trying to stay away from anything sub-penny because I ALWAYS seem to play them wrong. I'll sell after like 20% gain and then watch it go up another 5000% or I'll get stuck holding the bag and lose like 50% at least.
quote:Originally posted by brackep: maybe you should look into DDSI (Digital Descriptor Systems, Inc) ...
there are some threads on allstocks.com with great DD.
last 2 weeks we have seen a lot more volume probably because the 10Q that is coming out around mid august will show profitabilty, after they bought CGM in 2005 ...
no problem, it's your right to keep away :-)
I just wanted to inform you
Posted by PCola77 on :
Thanks anyway.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
ohh man, time is ripe for tonicma's daily pump.. lmao.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Yeah, I'd be interested in what the SEC thought of someone claiming to hold more than the entire float in an effort to boost the share price. Hopefully he was telling the truth, because man, that would suck to get a call from the SEC and not be able to back up your statements on this board.
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: ohh man, time is ripe for tonicma's daily pump.. lmao.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
pcola, honestly.. i never believed it from the beginning..
i never trust people when they claim to have purchased at xx price after the fact.. especially since it was up 100s of % when he made his claim.
also to have managed to get it at the absolute low.. not sell during all those set backs, etc.
still think we'll see 2/- tonicma? Posted by PCola77 on :
I didn't either, but sometimes when you see the potential for huge $, you can almost convince your self that maybe, just maybe, it's true.
quote:Originally posted by yolkarmy: pcola, honestly.. i never believed it from the beginning..
i never trust people when they claim to have purchased at xx price after the fact.. especially since it was up 100s of % when he made his claim.
also to have managed to get it at the absolute low.. not sell during all those set backs, etc.
still think we'll see 2/- tonicma?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
weather it's true or not about tonicma holding the float , i find it compleatly beliveable , because the entire float would have only costed around $200,000 when this thing was first posted by rimasco , that ain't that much money considering yer buying the whole float , hell i would have done that myself , if i had found out what is going on
Posted by PCola77 on :
I agree, but he claimed to have bought 40 million shares at the lowest price that it ever hit, then didn't sell any when it went up 1300% or at any point when it dropped back over 50% over the course of 2 months.
quote:Originally posted by BLACKBEARD: weather it's true or not about tonicma holding the float , i find it compleatly beliveable , because the entire float would have only costed around $200,000 when this thing was first posted by rimasco , that ain't that much money considering yer buying the whole float , hell i would have done that myself , if i had found out what is going on
Posted by yolkarmy on :
and a 2nd to pcola's post.
no one in their right mind would invest 200k into a penny stock (but then again, there are people with more money than sense).. he claimed to have invested 28k.. which is believable.. but i don't recall seeing any of his posts after buying that 40m in the active paiv forum at the time.
i wouldn't be surprised if he + serf are the same person.
Posted by brackep on :
replace the blanks with dots (.)
http://www otcbb com/asp/tradeact_mv.asp?SearchBy=issue&Issue=PAIV&SortBy=v olume&Month=6-1-2006&IMAGE1.x=15&IMAGE1.y=4
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
i dunno , 200k into igai yesterday morn , 2.2mil in the afternoon , can't get gains like that anyware else with a few clicks of the ol mouse
Posted by sportsguy on :
Back .07, what's the occasion?
Posted by db on :
up we go
Posted by db on :
dunno maybe a response to the lists being turned in today
scottrade complience told me corrected info sent and will be there today
Posted by brackep on :
quote:Originally posted by db: dunno maybe a response to the lists being turned in today
scottrade complience told me corrected info sent and will be there today
should we then be able to get a hold on the exact number of shorted shares ? tonight ? or Monday ?
Posted by bksundar on :
Anyway, good that at least it is up !!!!!
Posted by brackep on :
let's hope for .08 EOD ... then monday gapper would be nice
Posted by bksundar on :
I desperately need it to reach at least 0.10. After such a tank from 0.26 !!!
Posted by db on :
or MM's let it go up so they can drag it back down to screw with us
their drinking scotch laughing their a$$ off saying "watch this I'll put in .073" ha,ha,ha,"now watch I'll put in .045" ha,ha,ha,
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by db: or MM's let it go up so they can drag it back down to screw with us
their drinking scotch laughing their a$$ off saying "watch this I'll put in .073" ha,ha,ha,"now watch I'll put in .045" ha,ha,ha,
Posted by bksundar on :
Looks positive so far !!!
Posted by bksundar on :
Hoping for 0.08/.10 seems much more reasonable than say $1 etc . Looking good...
Posted by bksundar on :
0.08 reached. Now for my 0.10
Posted by sportsguy on :
At least this Friday ended better than last Friday, as far as being in the green...not that we're anywhere near last Friday's closing price.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
all the complaints to the SEC, they may put some pressure on this thing , let the MM's be like a one legged cat in a sand box triin to cover up $h!t. Posted by same on :
Repost Scottrade July 27 Update With T/A Info needed
Scottrade sent documents to the T/A.
This is what is missing, One Scottrade has not sent in their RECORD POSISTION on JPHC as requested by the T/A. May 11 and May 23 are the dates needed and were requested by the T/A.
Two Scottrade did not provide the JPHC to Paiv CONVERSION Calulations as requested.
Without these the T/A can not issue us our PAIV Restricted Shares.
Use this post Copy and Paste it in an e-mail to Scottrade requesting they cooperate with the T/A Jack Donnelly and send the T/A the above information.
This has been two months now. Here are Links and phone numbers do a SEC and NASD Complaint, Call the Compliance Dept Scottrade, Call and verify with the T/A.
Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900.
Posted by banah18 on :
Watch paiv bounce of its 5ma to .17 monday or tueday
Posted by midwestTEK on :
After financials with Macro Comm., We'll for surely be trading .28-.50. Ohh , unless shorty takes er down. IMO.
Posted by brackep on :
UPDATED July 29: ************** is maintaining its Short Squeeze Alert for Paivis Corp. As we head into August, the PAIV short position is perhaps even larger than before. The first-ever OTC Short Interest Report, requiring NASD members to report short positions on all over-the-counter equity securities on a monthly basis, was published July 26. We were not surprised to see PAIV rank at the top of the list. With just 57 million legitimate shares outstanding, a whopping 239,455,555 additional short shares were reported as of July 14. PAIV is now the single most shorted stock in the OTC.
According to Paivis transfer agent, Executive Registrar & Transfer, the long-awaited PAIV merger shares have still not been cleared through the DTC. This provides some confirmation that possibly billions of "phantom shares" issued and sold through Ameritrade were not authorized by Paivis Corp. Despite continuing requests from the transfer agent, only a few brokerages have submitted a full accounting of pre-merger positions held by their customers. Net result: rightful owners of PAIV merger shares have still not received the stock they were promised over three months ago.
Wild price swings have become the norm in the past several weeks, with PAIV shares reaching highs of $0.28, and dropping as low as $0.046. ************** urges our readers to proceed with caution should they choose to trade this stock. With powerful market forces creating extreme volatility, the opportunity for enormous profit is countered by extreme downward pressure, possibly generated by additional short-selling. Intraday gains and losses in excess of 40% make this a stock for experienced investors and day traders.
Posted by banah18 on :
This is going really high today Posted by banah18 on :
ready for a nice day todya
Posted by sportsguy on :
.07 seems to be holding relatively steady...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Just as a follow up for whoever it was that I was talking to about the semantics of the "Short Interest Report" (I think brackep, but may be wrong). I sent another reply to the person at otcbb.com and asked for further clarification:
Yes that does answer my question. However, while perusing the website awaiting your reply, I came upon this page http://www.otcbb.com/news/2006/GeneralNews/071406.stm When it comes to definitions, it says " Current Month Short Interest The amount of shares that were reported as being sold short for the month by reporting firms " I'm not sure if anyone else found/finds that confusing, but I wanted to alert you to it in case other people had the same confusion that I had, in which case that definition may need to be altered to be more clear. Thanks again for your help,
Thank you *****,you are right in that there have been a few concerns from others regarding the definition. The definition is the same used for the Nasdaq short interest which has been in place for quite some time. http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/trader/defincludes/nasdshortint_def.stm In any case, I had already forwarded this concern to Market Regulation who preside over all things related to Short Interest and they may decide to reword the definitions on both sites to eliminate any confusion. Thank you again for bringing this to our attention.
Posted by brackep on :
thx PCola77
Posted by sportsguy on :
So much for a great day. Who knows, maybe we see an end of the day reversal like Friday?
Posted by db on :
so far no big price drop
still holding waiting , yawning , sleeping -
reminds me of waiting for the fish to run at sebastion inlet
Posted by kermit42 on :
db, how was the run when it came?
Posted by db on :
past run when it went up towards .26 huge , fun , exciting , steady and fast I believe we will see it again
I remember when this was .005 and very few people thought it would reach anywhere near .01 it took alot of weeks then BOOM!!!!
PAIV has been and is a big gamble but if this is still being shorted there is huge potential
IMO
Posted by kermit42 on :
I meant the fish run at sebastion inlet.
Thanks for the buck up. I'm down at the moment having bought at .187, but decided to follow Serfdom's advice on iHUB and try to suck more shares out of the shorters by flipping. Got my price at .08, hope to get back in around .06.
Posted by same on :
T/A update July 31
Today I found out the following,
Scottrade submitted some more documents, I will follow up on Weds to see if it is the rquested Info that the T/A needs. IRA Accounts, it seems that the Brokers are telling clients that the Restricted Paiv shares from the JPHC merger in your IRA Account will be posted and held by the Brokerage Firm you do business with in your IRA Account.
Not so fast the IRA Shares may be sent to you the same way they will be sent as in your Regular Account bt the T/A. It is being looked into by expeirenced People. So the IRA as of now is a Question on how it is to be handled.
Ameritrade is still telling the T/A that Ameritrade will be holding all the Restricted Paiv Shares, imagine that!. No way will this happen and anyone with Ameritrade should do a SEC Complaint right away IMO for not cooperating with the T/A.
It seems as if some Brokerages are trying to make side deals with some of their JPHC Clients for some kind of settlement which takes the Brokerages of the Hook. Now why would they do this? Because they are SCARED and know they did wrong. This IMO is Illegal and if any Brokerage attempts to settle with you in this fashion get names of the parties involved and report them to the SEC right away.
The links are below. Keep the pressure on your Compliance Dept and write the SEC with a Complant, everyday if you have to. *********************************************************
By: same53 31 Jul 2006, 11:01 AM EDT Msg. 11894 of 11968 (Msg. is a reply to 11864 by tflys1.) tflys1 Yes, here is Info
29 Jul 2006, 11:58 AM EDT Msg. 11805 of 11892 (This msg. is a reply to 11804 by same53.) Jump to msg. # Repost Scottrade July 27 Update With T/A Info needed
Scottrade sent documents to the T/A.
This is what is missing, One Scottrade has not sent in their RECORD POSISTION on JPHC as requested by the T/A. May 11 and May 23 are the dates needed and were requested by the T/A.
Two Scottrade did not provide the JPHC to Paiv CONVERSION Calulations as requested.
Without these the T/A can not issue us our PAIV Restricted Shares.
Use this post Copy and Paste it in an e-mail to Scottrade requesting they cooperate with the T/A Jack Donnelly and send the T/A the above information.
This has been two months now. Here are Links and phone numbers do a SEC and NASD Complaint, Call the Compliance Dept Scottrade, Call and verify with the T/A.
Scottrade Compliance Dept Phone # 1-800-888-1980 EXT 1900.
Posted by yolkarmy on :
hey same,
are you the new pumping police?
lmao.
Posted by banah18 on :
Hey everyone something you dont know...Reverse split for the company is iminent.
This proposed reverse split IS NOT THE SAME TYPE of reverse split that normal OTC companies use to print more shares.
The kind of reverse split that we're all afraid of is DILUTIVE. It allows companies to reduce the number of common shares, while RETAINING the ability to print up to the SAME number of shares they had before.
That's what makes people panic. However, this is way different
If you read the filing at the Nevada SOS - PAIV is proposing to reverse the Authorized capital from it's current $5,001,500.00 to only $26,500.00. If this were a dilutive reverse split, THE AUTHORIZED CAPITAL WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
This means that Paivis can NOT issue more shares (split adjusted) than what they could issue now if they wanted to
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
banah wheres the link where u found that out or is that just speculation?
Posted by db on :
sorry kermit (I got stock on the brain)
fish lol!
well, when the fish are running at sabastion it's huge , exciting , steady and fast sometimes you wait weeks then BOOM!
some of the fish are shorted but there is a huge fish potential. lol!
Posted by kermit42 on :
Ha! Thanks! In life as in stocks.
Posted by banah18 on :
Paivis Corp. Will Not Implement a 200- 1 Reverse Split Tuesday August 1, 10:36 am ET
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--August 1, 2006--Paivis Corp. (OTC BB:PAIV.OB --News) announced today that its board of directors has decided, in its discretion, not to implement the 1-200 reverse split of its common share capital at this time.
The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 (the "PLSLRA") provides a "safe harbor" for forward-looking statements so long as those statements are identified as forward-looking and are accompanied by meaningful cautionary statements identifying important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in such statements.
Statements contained herein that are not based on historical fact, as well as other statements including words such as "anticipate," "believe," "plan," "estimate," "expect," "intend," "will," "could" and other similar expressions, constitute forward-looking statements under the PSLRA. Paivis intends that such forward-looking statements be subject to the safe harbor created thereby. Such forward-looking statements are based on current assumptions but involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause Paivis' actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from current expectations. These risks include economic, competitive, governmental, technological and other factors discussed in Paivis' annual, quarterly and other periodic public filings on record with the Securities and Exchange Commission which can be viewed free of charge on its website at http://www.sec.gov.
Contact: For more Paivis information please contact: Paivis Shareholder Services Phone: 800-963-6471
Posted by freddy79 on :
No trades in the last 13 mins
Posted by freddy79 on :
I dont know too much about reverse split, so is today's PR is bad???
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
no thats good,,,,, that ment u would have gotton 1 share for every 200 u currently own ,but now is not going to happen
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
no reverse splits
Posted by freddy79 on :
well this is by far the lowest vol day until now that I have seen PAIV in a while.
Posted by midwestTEK on :
Patience is Key here. MM's WON'T take it past .05. Or, it will be a NEW thanksgiving Day!!!GOBBLE GOBBLE!
Posted by db on :
MM's will probably bore me to death before I sell any more shares
Posted by midwestTEK on :
Ahhh that's when its time to go outside and enjoy the 110 degree weather, tan dem' chikken legz!
Posted by freddy79 on :
Not me I cant stand the hott weather, i'll pass Posted by midwestTEK on :
A/C is fried here , can't even tell if its IN or OUT side. Fans are going nuts.LOL!
Posted by midwestTEK on :
Well golf league is startin in foe' hours, going to go hack some practice shots. I think I will be tatooing a shirt on today.112 today, I aint kiddin'. Nude golf any1?
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by midwestTEK: Well golf league is startin in foe' hours, going to go hack some practice shots. I think I will be tatooing a shirt on today.112 today, I aint kiddin'. Nude golf any1?
Posted by midwestTEK on :
well looks as if im riding with the beer girl today. I snapped my driver .LOL. As she drove by, I swang ...a duff...and hit a HUGEEEEEE root.
PAIV will help get a new club!!
Posted by same on :
Here is a scenario this is my first post here,
I am going to write on about Paiv Corp. It is from DD that I have done. It seems that people in High Places are taking notice of the wrongs done by a regulating agency and the Brokerages Firms involved in the Paiv Corrupt Fiascal. This in part is because of us shareholders putting in SEC, NASD Complaints along with calls to our Brokerage Compliance Deptartments.
Through my DD, I have found out that A higher Authority is involved in forcing the parties involved to cover all their illegal activities done to the Company Paiv as well as the merger Companies of JPHC and APOA. From the DD I have done it involves the shorting of JPHC, APOA and the illegal restricted shares of Paiv put on the open market on May 19, 2006 by many Brokerages. It also includes previous dealings that Brokerages had with other Brokerage Firms in Loaning out shares that their clients bought legally through their Brokeage firm. The Shareholder you and I.
Now the reality is IMO that billions of shares were put on the open market that have to be accounted for. . Paiv just has so many shares I think 56 million with a float of around 30 million. So where are the shares going to come from? The answer is our Restricted Paiv Shares that become available in one year will be the shares bought up by the Brokerages who will be forced to do so to write their wrongs. Then the other round of restricted Shares when due will also be bought up by the brokerages. That means PAIV Restricted Shares will have a high demand by the Brokerages forced to do what they wrongly and knowingly did because of their GREED.
Bottom line the shorting by the Brokerage Industry will have to buy in and cover. A Deal will have to be worked out, The deal will be them buying our Restricted Paiv Shares. All IMO with a lot of DD. .
Posted by db on :
call the SEC
202-551-6320
ask if PAIV short position is covered (or other questions) like can you still short a stock that's on their list
I would like to know how long they have to cover short positions under the new guideline's in layman's terms , some kind of time frame.
Maybe I'm missing something but when I went to the SEC web site what normal person could figure out that crap? lawyers would be scratching their a$$ trying to figure out what is going on
all I know is people at the SEC are employees paid by our tax dollars just like police and firefighters any questions should be immediate and forthcoming (am I the only one who just got a generic letter?)
sorry for my rant but, if I wanted smoke and mirrors I would spend my money on going to see David Copperfield instead of playing the stock market.
Posted by no_patience on :
quote:Originally posted by same: Here is a scenario this is my first post here,
I am going to write on about Paiv Corp. It is from DD that I have done. It seems that people in High Places are taking notice of the wrongs done by a regulating agency and the Brokerages Firms involved in the Paiv Corrupt Fiascal. This in part is because of us shareholders putting in SEC, NASD Complaints along with calls to our Brokerage Compliance Deptartments.
Through my DD, I have found out that A higher Authority is involved in forcing the parties involved to cover all their illegal activities done to the Company Paiv as well as the merger Companies of JPHC and APOA. From the DD I have done it involves the shorting of JPHC, APOA and the illegal restricted shares of Paiv put on the open market on May 19, 2006 by many Brokerages. It also includes previous dealings that Brokerages had with other Brokerage Firms in Loaning out shares that their clients bought legally through their Brokeage firm. The Shareholder you and I.
Now the reality is IMO that billions of shares were put on the open market that have to be accounted for. . Paiv just has so many shares I think 56 million with a float of around 30 million. So where are the shares going to come from? The answer is our Restricted Paiv Shares that become available in one year will be the shares bought up by the Brokerages who will be forced to do so to write their wrongs. Then the other round of restricted Shares when due will also be bought up by the brokerages. That means PAIV Restricted Shares will have a high demand by the Brokerages forced to do what they wrongly and knowingly did because of their GREED.
Bottom line the shorting by the Brokerage Industry will have to buy in and cover. A Deal will have to be worked out, The deal will be them buying our Restricted Paiv Shares. All IMO with a lot of DD. .
Thanks for the post, I agree with you. The phantom virtual shares are difficult to track, there are a lot of them. Those of us with certs in hand can win this one. It does not even matter what paiv does as a company (except bust i suppose), this stock will be crazy.
Has anyone had experience trading restricted shares under the table? Does it happen? Can it happen? Could it work like holding options?
So how could this debacle affect the company?
Regards
Posted by db on :
SEC market regulations 202-551-5777
I called and left a message with questions maybe they will call me back
Posted by cowlowski on :
Talked to the transfer agent and he said they actually have more paperwork from scottrade. He said they should have the certificates issued in the next couple of days.
Posted by same on :
Look at these Filings and PR'S
You will see the Merger process with JPHC, APO Health which is now PAIV started on April 25, 2006, three months ago.
With all these filings and Press Releases how can the Brokerage Industry state they had not received any information in regards to the Merger between JPHC, APO Health now PAIV Corp. Why is it that the Transfer Agent has to fight the Brokerage Industry for information that was known over three months ago?
I am going to write about Paiv Corp. It is from DD that I have done. It seems that people in High Places are taking notice of the wrongs done by a regulating agency and the Brokerages Firms involved in the Paiv Corrupt Fiascal. This in part is because of us shareholders putting in SEC, NASD Complaints along with calls to our Brokerage Compliance Deptartments.
Through my DD, I have found out that A higher Authority is involved in forcing the parties involved to cover all their illegal activities done to the Company Paiv as well as the merger Companies of JPHC and APOA. From the DD I have done it involves the shorting of JPHC, APOA and the illegal restricted shares of Paiv put on the open market on May 19, 2006 by many Brokerages. It also includes previous dealings that Brokerages had with other Brokerage Firms in Loaning out shares that their clients bought legally through their Brokeage firm. The Shareholder you and I.
Now the reality is IMO that billions of shares were put on the open market that have to be accounted for. . Paiv just has so many shares I think 56 million with a float of around 30 million. So where are the shares going to come from? The answer is our Restricted Paiv Shares that become available in one year will be the shares bought up by the Brokerages who will be forced to do so to write their wrongs. Then the other round of restricted Shares when due will also be bought up by the brokerages. That means PAIV Restricted Shares will have a high demand by the Brokerages forced to do what they wrongly and knowingly did because of their GREED.
Bottom line the shorting by the Brokerage Industry will have to buy in and cover. A Deal will have to be worked out, The deal will be them buying our Restricted Paiv Shares. All IMO with a lot of DD. .
Posted by midwestTEK on :
Same, thanx for all your excellent work, you earn everyones respect. Have a drink on me!
Posted by brackep on :
nice post on rb:
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tcr
do you not get it. 98 percent of these shares in Paivis right now are illegal. The trading going on here is from the restricted shares that have not been covered yet. Maybe a few shares here and there from Paiv original owners.
Plus 270 million newly shorted shares trying to cover the billions of shares that were never covered.
Now thats funny. Just when you think you've seen it all the crooks short some more.
Problem is what shares are they going to cover with the illegal restricted shares that need to be bought back.
From what im hearing all the brokerages that have illegally naked shorted all have to buy back there shares.
Where are they gonna get these shares. Thats right our restricted shares. So when these come to market there should be plenty of absorption without the price tanking.
TCR your a pretty funny dude man. Do your DD.
If they do drop it then i will be happy to pick up a good part of the float and wont sell it to them in the future unless it hits my prices which are .50 - to infinity.
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Posted by same on :
This is Funny
I totally agree with this post.
brackep Member
Member Rated: 2 Icon 1 posted August 03, 2006 06:03 Profile for brackep Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote nice post on rb:
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tcr
do you not get it. 98 percent of these shares in Paivis right now are illegal. The trading going on here is from the restricted shares that have not been covered yet. Maybe a few shares here and there from Paiv original owners.
Plus 270 million newly shorted shares trying to cover the billions of shares that were never covered.
Now thats funny. Just when you think you've seen it all the crooks short some more.
Problem is what shares are they going to cover with the illegal restricted shares that need to be bought back.
From what im hearing all the brokerages that have illegally naked shorted all have to buy back there shares.
Where are they gonna get these shares. Thats right our restricted shares. So when these come to market there should be plenty of absorption without the price tanking.
TCR your a pretty funny dude man. Do your DD.
If they do drop it then i will be happy to pick up a good part of the float and wont sell it to them in the future unless it hits my prices which are .50 - to infinity.
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Posted by db on :
SEC market regulations did call me back and wouldn't even answer the simplest of questions kept refering me back to their web site , told her I've already been there she then said to send an e-mail - told her already did that and get a generic response (go to their web site)
no wonder everybody thinks the SEC is a joke
still holding
Posted by midwestTEK on :
Marco? Polo? Where is PAIV going? Are they gonna short this back to 1/2 penny range? That can't beeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Posted by db on :
another shake,
MM's almost get me worried until I see they let loose their bashers on raging bull board.
when I see that I wonder if they have no problem why do the bashers show up when they shake the stock? still shorting? when pps goes up they disappear.
some of their posts are hilarious, like "people keep e-mailing me thanking me " lol!! what an idiot
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how they tell you how they bought in at .0056 and sold at .26 (like that gives them some credibility) and we all should sell. lol!!! morons
imo if something wasn't up why is PAIV trading the way it is and why the bashers out in force? reminds me of the old sayin' HIT DOG HOLLERS
well i'll be dam , sob brokers probably cut a deal with paiv , they friggin plain out lied in that last pr , F- um i bailed and gonna move on
Posted by Chopper on :
FYI.......Tom from Buyins dot net said that there was still a 200 million plus short interest in the stock as of today.
Posted by EverGreen on :
if i read correctly: Any shareholder holding less than 100 shares post split shall be rounded up to 100 shares. **
so if you buy today 1000 shares ($60) tomorrow you will have 100 shares ($1200) ($12 post split price)
too nice to be true?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by EverGreen: if i read correctly: Any shareholder holding less than 100 shares post split shall be rounded up to 100 shares. **
so if you buy today 1000 shares ($60) tomorrow you will have 100 shares ($1200) ($12 post split price)
too nice to be true?
if thats true i'mm gonna buy 20 shares at the bell ,but i don't know how to tell if thats true or not,,, seems logical
Posted by EverGreen on :
i think minimum you need 201 shares to be left with 1 post split
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
so if u have anything less that 200 pre split , you will be left with notta post split ?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
even if i did buy 201 shares that would be the best $12.60 investment i ever made $12.60 into $1200 overnight
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by EverGreen: if i read correctly: Any shareholder holding less than 100 shares post split shall be rounded up to 100 shares. **
so if you buy today 1000 shares ($60) tomorrow you will have 100 shares ($1200) ($12 post split price)
too nice to be true?
THey probably made a typo error, they probably meant it this way " Any shareholder holding less than 100 shares post split shall be rounded up to 1 shares " that seems more logical, but I really hope its the other way around though Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
i just got off the phone with loyola , he confirmed anything less than 100 shares post split will be rounded up to 100 shares , and did also confirm that the price will be around $12.00 per share if it close at .06 today or ya know (closing price) X 200 , i think i'm gettin back in
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
in for 201 shares less see what happens
Posted by Igor R on :
Once it opens at $12, will that be sustainable, or will it drop like a rock?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
hell i don't care if it does i can surely get out before it hits bottom , for a 12 doller risk ,i just can't pass that up
Posted by brackep on :
they still need covering to do ... so I don't think it will drop like a rock ... IMO
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by brackep: they still need covering to do ... so I don't think it will drop like a rock ... IMO
agreed , man my restricted jphc share holy friggin smokes man , i'm settin on a pile of loot if that price holds for a year , i was pissed at first but after reconsidering the possibilities , Posted by Igor R on :
Will our restricted share amount be affected by the reverse split? Like if i have 50k from the jphc/paiv merger, will i only have 250 post split?
Posted by gemini5kl on :
Holy crap, so what does this mean for ex jphc members. are we gonna be rich in a year or are we gonna be screwed by this r/s please can someone enlighten me.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
not sure how that will work , either way i will have made out well on my investment
Posted by Stockeyes22 on :
I just talked to Glen at investor relations. He said that this will affect restricted and not restricted shares. I said, "So if I buy 201 shares today of PAIV, tomorrow I will have 100 shares at the dramatically increased price for 13.00 dollar investment? He said yes, if that is all you own."
Again restricted shares are affected by this.
Posted by gemini5kl on :
what does paiv hope to accomplish by this r/s ,, i dont get it, is it to put a squeeze on the shorts even more??. is this gonna go up after the split,, ??
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
yeah i'll take 10,000 %increase overnight
Posted by Hannibull on :
so did anyone buy 201 shares? lol Posted by Stockeyes22 on :
quote:gemini5kl
what does paiv hope to accomplish by this r/s ,, i dont get it, is it to put a squeeze on the shorts even more??. is this gonna go up after the split,, ??
In response to your question. I asked Glen (investor relations), "What would this do to the shares that Ameritrade hasn't covered? I said, "this would create a short squeeze if they haven't covered themselves." Glen said, "The transfer agent is currently working on this and will know in 2 to 3 weeks. We are trying to put as much pressure as possible on them."
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: so did anyone buy 201 shares? lol
Bought 356 There was a buy on the time & sales for 201 though haha.
Posted by gemini5kl on :
damm i love this paiv stock, this one is gonna be remembered for a long time,, go paiv.
Posted by Igor R on :
Wait wait, any shares we buy today are not restricted, therefore we wont be going through any split, therefore keeping them all at hopefully $12? Or am I understanding it wrong?
Posted by BULListic on :
I'm out.....not buying the restricted vs. unrestricted thing. Owned regular PAIV shares (non-JPHC shares) and tomorrow my 25,000 shares will be 125 and just don't see it holding $12 a share. Never seen a reverse work in my favor and ain't banking on Christmas early this time...GLTA that stick it out, I'll be rooting for you.
quote:Originally posted by Stockeyes22: I just talked to Glen at investor relations. He said that this will affect restricted and not restricted shares. I said, "So if I buy 201 shares today of PAIV, tomorrow I will have 100 shares at the dramatically increased price for 13.00 dollar investment? He said yes, if that is all you own."
Again restricted shares are affected by this.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: so did anyone buy 201 shares? lol
Bought 356 There was a buy on the time & sales for 201 though haha.
that was me probably cause i did it Posted by banah18 on :
THIS IS GOING TO SKYROCKET TOMMOROW
Posted by jg on :
from ihub - here's a compressed link, should get him to the right page at Nevada SOS.
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Wait wait, any shares we buy today are not restricted, therefore we wont be going through any split, therefore keeping them all at hopefully $12? Or am I understanding it wrong?
loyola told me if u buy free trade shares u will have free trade shares , the restriction comes into play with old jphc shares ,
Posted by T e x on :
from OTCBB (bold, my emphasis):
"3:30 08/04/2006 PAIV Paivis, Corp. Common Stock PAVC Paivis, Corp. New Common Stock 1-200 R/S; Any shareholder holding less than 100 shares post split shall be rounded up to 100 shares. ** "
where is the "201 shares" coming from?
Posted by gemini5kl on :
come we need some real technical analysis on this split -- can some of the big guys like PCOLA JUICE and DB tell us what this means for holderss of paiv and holders of the restricted jphc shares, i mean does this mean dollars or not.
Posted by db on :
look at the volume !!!
it shows yesterday was nothing more than another ploy by the MM's to drive the price down and get shares! HUGE sales gone through looks like covering to me lol!
this IMO is far from over
MM's showing their hand now,it's so obvious whats going on. they are playing this stock hard. only reason their doing that is because of being interested in it!
forget charts, forget normal stock trends,etc. this is something completly different
I really believe this will go to .20 before it would drop to .005 I just got a feeling (could be gas lol)
august will be very interesting
AIMO
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
he did say if u bought less that 100 you would end up with 100 even if u only bought 20 , but for the extra $10 i decidedto err on the side of caution nad buy 201
Posted by Hannibull on :
tex, if you buy 201 shares now you'll have post split 1.05 shares, but they'll supposedly round it up to 100 shares... we'll see if that's true
Posted by db on :
look at the volume !!!
it shows yesterday was nothing more than another ploy by the MM's to drive the price down and get shares! HUGE sales gone through looks like covering to me lol!
this IMO is far from over
MM's showing their hand now,it's so obvious whats going on. they are playing this stock hard. only reason their doing that is because of being interested in it!
forget charts, forget normal stock trends,etc. this is something completly different
I really believe this will go to .20 before it would drop to .005 I just got a feeling (could be gas lol)
august will be very interesting
AIMO
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: from OTCBB (bold, my emphasis):
"3:30 08/04/2006 PAIV Paivis, Corp. Common Stock PAVC Paivis, Corp. New Common Stock 1-200 R/S; Any shareholder holding less than 100 shares post split shall be rounded up to 100 shares. ** "
where is the "201 shares" coming from?
nevermind: I see it now--"less than POST SPLIT"
Posted by db on :
GO PAIV!!!!
KICK SOME SHORTS A$$!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by EverGreen on :
you just lost $9 (155 old shares) what a loss LOL
i tried for 250 - i'm not so generous
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: so did anyone buy 201 shares? lol
Bought 356 There was a buy on the time & sales for 201 though haha.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
well 2morrow i should have 100 at $12 pps = $1200 ,, would have bought in more but a little risky , so i'll play with my 12 dollors jist to see what happens
Posted by BULListic on :
Everyone is skeptical of FHAL's $15 for $1 deal....well I may be wrong, but there is no way that you will own the same number of shares of PAIV tomorrow at $12. You will have 1/200th of your shares and it will open at about $10.00 x $12.00. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess, but if FHAL's 15x gain is skeptical, just imagine the people that think they are going to get 200x on PAIV (PAVC). Now the less 100 shares post split might be a breadwinner and there were a number of small buys looking for that loophole late, hope that works out for everyone.
Posted by banah18 on :
PPL WHO ARE GETTING ARE AFFECTED ARE THOSE WITH THE RESTRICTED SHARES US NEW BUYERS ARENT
Posted by Hannibull on :
quote:Originally posted by banah18: PPL WHO ARE GETTING ARE AFFECTED ARE THOSE WITH THE RESTRICTED SHARES US NEW BUYERS ARENT
ouch my ears lol
"3:30 08/04/2006 PAIV Paivis, Corp. Common Stock PAVC Paivis, Corp. New Common Stock 1-200 R/S; Any shareholder holding less than 100 shares post split shall be rounded up to 100 shares. **
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by BULListic: Everyone is skeptical of FHAL's $15 for $1 deal....well I may be wrong, but there is no way that you will own the same number of shares of PAIV tomorrow at $12. You will have 1/200th of your shares and it will open at about $10.00 x $12.00. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess, but if FHAL's 15x gain is skeptical, just imagine the people that think they are going to get 200x on PAIV (PAVC). Now the less 100 shares post split might be a breadwinner and there were a number of small buys looking for that loophole late, hope that works out for everyone.
, yeah i know that that is why i bought 201 shares , which will leave me 1 share , round that upto 100 X $12 pps = $1200 , even if i sell at 9 or 10 dollars , i'll have some weekend money,
Posted by BlindMellonChitlin on :
LOL...I bought 200 shares last week as a joke. Looks like that might work out after all.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by BLACKBEARD: well 2morrow i should have 100 at $12 pps = $1200 ,, would have bought in more but a little risky , so i'll play with my 12 dollors jist to see what happens
yup...that's the play...one version of what I call a "geek play." Sometimes takes awhile to get your shartes, but worth the gamble, often enough...
prolly the spead will be pretty dicey, too...
Posted by freddy79 on :
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull:
quote:Originally posted by banah18: PPL WHO ARE GETTING ARE AFFECTED ARE THOSE WITH THE RESTRICTED SHARES US NEW BUYERS ARENT
ouch my ears lol
"3:30 08/04/2006 PAIV Paivis, Corp. Common Stock PAVC Paivis, Corp. New Common Stock 1-200 R/S; Any shareholder holding less than 100 shares post split shall be rounded up to 100 shares. **
So my 7,790 shares are converted to 38.95 which means I would have 39 share of PAVC , which means I would have 100 shares based on whats mention above??
Posted by EverGreen on :
maybe not tomorrow (probably 1-2 week) it depends of the TA
in any case this can be a study case if it works next time there will be 10000 trades at xx1
good luck to all - be happy
quote:Originally posted by BLACKBEARD: well 2morrow i should have 100 at $12 pps = $1200 ,, would have bought in more but a little risky , so i'll play with my 12 dollors jist to see what happens
Posted by kermit42 on :
If they round up any small holders to 100 post-split shares (20,000 pre-split shares), there's going to be a lot of profit taking in the morning and the stock will tank.
Hopefully that's not really what they meant.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
hey tex u callin me a geek ? how bout i come through this puter screen and show ya. LOL
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by BLACKBEARD: hey tex u callin me a geek ? how bout i come through this puter screen and show ya. LOL
lol...
Actually, coined that phrase during the GVRP play..."geek" more in the old-fashioned sense of circus geek...pins through the arm, etc...not like wimp et al... so...if you *could* come through the screen? ya, pretty geeky, lol
I like geek plays--just recently did another one, in two accounts...still waiting on my shares...
Posted by banah18 on :
When will the reverse split happen tommorow or in a week or 2 ?
Posted by banah18 on :
see i bought 10 k shares so thats 100 shares weeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by banah18: see i bought 10 k shares so thats 100 shares weeeeeeeeeeee
You mean 50?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by banah18: see i bought 10 k shares so thats 100 shares weeeeeeeeeeee
why did u buy 10000 shares cuz?
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by banah18: When will the reverse split happen tommorow or in a week or 2 ?
the split happens tommorrow , then the T/A's need to do there thing ........ then we all trade at the same time, is my take on it.
Posted by kt325ci on :
I only picked up 100 shares. I figured it's worth the risk.
Posted by banah18 on :
Blackbeard , ive had 10,000 shares i bought at 0.0830 , so $830 , so thats 100 shares , if it opens at $12 good , if it opens at 9 good for me , opens at 8 netural Posted by skip on :
I have heard it all now...wow
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
quote:Originally posted by banah18: Blackbeard , ive had 10,000 shares i bought at 0.0830 , so $830 , so thats 100 shares , if it opens at $12 good , if it opens at 9 good for me , opens at 8 netural
i see i thought u bought 10k this afternoon
Posted by brackep on :
quote:Originally posted by banah18: Blackbeard , ive had 10,000 shares i bought at 0.0830 , so $830 , so thats 100 shares , if it opens at $12 good , if it opens at 9 good for me , opens at 8 netural
you sould've sold 9799 shares at 0.06 that would give you 587,94 USD and you would still have 201 shares left. Now these 201 shares will be converted to 1,005 shares BUT that would be rounded up to 100 shares ...
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
thats what i did brack , i sold out at 065 and rebought at 062 for 201 shares
Posted by brackep on :
I meant banah18
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
yeah i know , i was jist adding to the conversation LOL
Posted by brackep on :
if he did he would have 587,94USD + 100shares*pps = likely higher then 830USD
Posted by brackep on :
quote:Originally posted by BLACKBEARD: yeah i know , i was jist adding to the conversation LOL
ah ok
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
zacly , i took a small loss, but will make it back by far on this new deal
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Posted by banah18 on :
IM STUPID I SHOULD HAVE done that , but im glad with my money back or a small profit not a big deal.
Posted by same on :
Great News New Symbol
First when you do a Reverse there is a new series of stock issued that is where the name change comes in.
PAVC is going to be good for all of us beleive me on this. I have been here for almost a year now. Plus here is what is figured into this new Symbol PAVC A/S 125 Million O/S 25 Million Which means the float will be around Float 125 thousand And it happens tommorow. If we close at .06 we are at $12.00 S/P. We move to a better exchange which will take some time.
What do you think the brokerage industry is thinking? To Bad for them they deserve what they get.
Now for the restricted Certs that are sent to us by the T/A everything stays the same. When you bring your restricted PAIV Cert to be certified the CUSIP# will show up due to the reverse Split and automatically decrease your total share amout. If you have 1 million shares it will be 50, 000 shares.
IMO when the restriction is off under rule 144 with the percent you can sell according to the 144 Rule with the reverse that just happen all of the former restricted shares will be bought up in the open market. So the two year limit will be a moot point at that time IMO.
Paivis, Corp. ("PAIVIS" or the "Company") (OTCBB: PAIV) today announces and effective Friday, August 4, 2006, Paivis will have a new ticker symbol, (OTCBB: PAVC) and the consolidation ratio for the Company's planned reverse split will be 200 to 1, also with an effective date of August 4, 2006.
As part of the consolidation, on a 200 to 1 basis, the authorized common stock of the Company has changed from 25,000,000,000 shares to 125,000,000 shares.
There will be no fractional shares issued under the consolidation; therefore all fractional shares will be rounded up the next whole share. Also, any shareholder holding less than 100 shares post split shall be rounded up to 100 shares.
For additional information please contact the Company or its transfer agent Executive Registrar & Transfer, Inc. 3615 South Huron Street, Suite 104 Englewood, CO 80110 Ph. 303-783-9055
Posted by Igor R on :
PAIV offices are on my way to school, I might pay them a visit tomorrow.
Posted by T e x on :
ya know...technically, even someone with, say, 75 shares pre-reverse would get 100 post split...the way that's framed: "all fractional shares"
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
can I buy extended hours say 7000 shares???
Posted by Chopper on :
To late, ya missed the boat student. Another lesson learned in the school of penny land.
Posted by Chad on :
I always thought reverse splits were bad? is that not always the case?
Posted by The Phat Man on :
quote:Originally posted by same: Great News New Symbol
First when you do a Reverse there is a new series of stock issued that is where the name change comes in.
PAVC is going to be good for all of us beleive me on this. I have been here for almost a year now. Plus here is what is figured into this new Symbol PAVC A/S 125 Million O/S 25 Million Which means the float will be around Float 125 thousand And it happens tommorow. If we close at .06 we are at $12.00 S/P. We move to a better exchange which will take some time.
What do you think the brokerage industry is thinking? To Bad for them they deserve what they get.
Now for the restricted Certs that are sent to us by the T/A everything stays the same. When you bring your restricted PAIV Cert to be certified the CUSIP# will show up due to the reverse Split and automatically decrease your total share amout. If you have 1 million shares it will be 50, 000 shares.
IMO when the restriction is off under rule 144 with the percent you can sell according to the 144 Rule with the reverse that just happen all of the former restricted shares will be bought up in the open market. So the two year limit will be a moot point at that time IMO.
take it for what it's worth but, imho, reverse splits are NEVER a good thing in pinkie land... EVER. i've been through 'em and i'm sure plenty others on this board have too. if this does hit $12 as you suggest, i'll put the farm on shorting it. most likely even with the new PPS established (whatever it's gonna be), the B/A will be so far outta whack you won't be able to sell anything you have for more than half of what it was worth today. and regarding the B/A whackness, they'll most likely set the bid just below $4 so that people can't short it, while the ask will be near $10. give me an example of even ONE pink that reversed split (to increase shareholder value, of course) and ever came out of it alive and holding pps value equal and/or above what it was prior to the split? if you got it, i'd really like to know so i can do TA/DD on it and find out why it succeeded while all others failed. the only reverse split i can think of in the last year or two that did something positive for the company was PALM and they're WAY outta pinkie land. here's the way they do it: symbol change, reverse split, dilution, PR, dilution, PR, PR, dilution, more dilution, PR, sell into buying sprees, pay off some debt, dilution.... and over and over and over. get out quick with whatever you have left on the bid before it goes down furher than it's gonna open tomorrow (cuz it will). all opinion above based on my own experiences. only speculating that this will be the case and if i'm wrong, then i'll be happy for you all that you got out alive. glty ALL,
wanna read some DD i did on another company with the same bogus practices go to the bottom of the page at this link titled, "SBRV.pk... their next scam": http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff142162.htm Posted by midwestTEK on :
this is getting SICK!!!
Posted by Chad on :
can someone please tell me where it says its coming out at a new price of $12, or any new hihg price for that matter, like I've seen others post.
Posted by Chad on :
SAME, your as familiar with this stock as any, is this a good thing, bad thing, or no change from today thing, for us RESTRICTED shareholders.
I guess 1st we need to get our Certs. lol
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: can someone please tell me where it says its coming out at a new price of $12, or any new hihg price for that matter, like I've seen others post.
Todays closing price x 200 = roughly $12, I forget what todays exact closing price was.
Posted by Hannibull on :
ok so I too bought 201 shares lol, I thought I'd give it a try, kinda like a lottery ticket
now, suppose you use TD Ameritrade and you went through the JPHC merger and you bought 201 shares today, would those 201 shares become 100 shares post merger (201/200 = <100 => rounded up to 100) or will it be 1 share since you already have restricted shares? I'm asking because my 201 share buy this evening is showing as a separate PAIV position, I "kind of" have another PAIV position with restricted paiv shares from JPHC but it's not at all showing in my account, I only see JPHCs without any value next to it I'm sure there's people here who are in the same situation
Posted by Hitman on :
The reverse split will KILL Paiv.... I cant believe the Co. would be stupid enough to do that..... You watch...... The time the split takes place...... the stock begins to fall and may not ever recover..... So it will not move to a better exchange....... If people r having trouble Payin less that .10 they will not even pay $12 per share...... Pretty Stupid IMO
Posted by Chad on :
guess im just dumb, cause all i read is for every 200 shares u had, now u have 1. that, as most RS's, seems very bad! dont see how u take 200 times the close today to figure out a new price of stock?
Posted by Hannibull on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: guess im just dumb, cause all i read is for every 200 shares u had, now u have 1. that, as most RS's, seems very bad! dont see how u take 200 times the close today to figure out a new price of stock?
that's how a RS works, the amount of shares goes down 200 times, and the PPS goes up 200 times
However if you have less than 100 shares in your account after the merger they will round it up to 100, so if you have 99 or 76 or 50 or 1 share, you will see 100 shares in your account. This is how most people here including me understood it
Posted by midwestTEK on :
is the converted(.46) PAIV getting 1/200 R/S? or the original JPHC shares?
Posted by Hannibull on :
supposedly your reduced amount of shares still has the same value because the PPS has gone up in the same way, but that's never really the case as we all know
Posted by Chad on :
Hannibul, thx for info. However, I dotn think Ive ever seen a RS whr the share amount goes down and the PPS goes up the same amount so it balances out.
Normally, the shareholders gets screwed. I've been in a RS before and remember having way, way less cash value as I had before the split.
Posted by Chad on :
As for ur summary on the way they are giving the shares, I think ur right, thats how it reads to me......if after split u have less then a 100 shares of new company, they'll make it a 100 shares even.
Posted by Chad on :
MID, to me it would have to be coverted PAIV shares because in essence, thats already happened, even if we havent received our CERTS yet. so however many shares you have of the restricted PAIV shares is what is RS'd....though I'm still not 100% sure if the restricted shares are being RS'd. It may just be the unrestricted PAIV shares?
Posted by midwestTEK on :
is the restricted shares affected by this R/S? Probably.... Seems to benefit someone besides the shareholsters.LOL Back to the casinos!
Posted by Chad on :
to me, a RS sucks, never seen a good one. However, maybe Im wrong. hope if it does open at a much higher price and on another board, it does well. It btr open at a real high price, cause they just took a crapload of shares from me!!!!!!
then everyone that was in with JPHC shares will be rewarded for patience and all the bashing they took!
Posted by Chad on :
to put it blunt. if this opens at less then $12 tomorrow...we all just automatically lose money in our account. which, we should expect, thats what happens with R/S. I wouldnt doubt we lose 25% of our value of today when it opens tomorrow. Im looking at a $8-10 open. (which would be like if it had opened at 4-5 cents). However, there shouldnt be a panic selloff or a profit selloff either, unless it opens at $6 or $18, which would be a 50% loss or 50% gain from today. things should be as it was pre-merger, except maybe now with higher price, we see new investors?
Posted by midwestTEK on :
I'll take that BLUNT! NNNN look to a brighter side of it!
Post from a diff board:
I don't think this 200/1 Reverse is anywhere close to a "spur-of-the-moment" decision by Paivis. I'm betting that they had this plan up their sleeve all along.
I also think the timing of this was also to coinside with the very, very soon to be released Quarterly earnings, which should be or could be any day between now and the middle of August. The timing is just too perfect for it not to have been planned this way.
I'm betting that the earnings is going to be very good and will initiate some mega interest in this stock for much bigger players than all of us here on RB put together.
Post split, announce good earnings, get the institutional interest, announce plan to move to a higher exchange and BOOM - off we go to the moon - Alice. I think we're in for the ride of our life with this one.
The reduction 1 for 200 that is also including the overall Authorized Shares in addition to the Outstanding/Float, and effecting both the Restriced and Non-Restricted shares we currently have and hold is nothing short of brillent. By including the Authorized they won't be re-issuing a billion here and a billion there to raise more capital, it will come by the market and the success of good earnings.
Posted by kt325ci on :
If I end up with 100 shares in my account tomorrow I don't really care what it opens up at Posted by Hitman on :
We will see... but I think you are on the wrong cloud
Posted by Chad on :
well KT, it seems that was a good bonus for new investors. As u'd need 200 shares of PAIV to get that 1 share of new stock, then ur $12 investment, may just make it a $1188 return.
however, that just seems way to good to be true, and would be a huge blunder by their company.
Im guessing they meant, if you end up with less then 100 shares of the new stock after RS, then they'll give u whatever remainder it takes to get you to a 100 shares. I could be wrong?
Posted by midwestTEK on :
then why all the 201 and 101 or whatever share trades. Many peeps bankin' on that !
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
You say that but I bought 99 shares of MDOR X .005 and paid the 7 dollar commission trade. I cashed out and made about 30 bucks X 3 accounts. Not bad I'd say at least.
Posted by Hannibull on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: Im guessing they meant, if you end up with less then 100 shares of the new stock after RS, then they'll give u whatever remainder it takes to get you to a 100 shares. I could be wrong?
that's exactly what it is though, if people bought 400 shares today then tomorrow or whenever they'd have 2 shares of PAIV, which is "less than 100 shares of the new stock after RS" Posted by midwestTEK on :
over 75 shares though. round to the nearest 100. Got to be simple math made THE AMERICAN WAY!
Posted by Chad on :
NOt sure MID, they all confused me, but I reread. and yes., It says that if anyone has less then 100 shares of PAVC post split, then they will round it up to 100 shares.
SO, according to the print....ya'll who bought 200 shares of PAIV have made a serious F'n return! hope so, congrats!
that would be one major blunder by company!! please post tomorrow if anyone did buy and did get that HUGE return.
Posted by Hannibull on :
I wonder though, since this is written in a press release that they would round up to 100, suppose this was a mistake and the company only now realizes their blunder, do they HAVE to round up the shares because it said so in an official pr?
Posted by *Mag* on :
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: I wonder though, since this is written in a press release that they would round up to 100, suppose this was a mistake and the company only now realizes their blunder, do they HAVE to round up the shares because it said so in an official pr?
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: I wonder though, since this is written in a press release that they would round up to 100, suppose this was a mistake and the company only now realizes their blunder, do they HAVE to round up the shares because it said so in an official pr?
Companies have a tough time arguing against what's posted at OTCBB.com--that's "official" as it gets.
Realistically, though, the TA will do as the company instructs, and brokers will do as the TA instructs the DTC...
Here, 200 shares should work, 201 is the "safe play"; however, to avoid problems, the company may decide to honor "fractional shares" . . . doubtful...but possible.
Can they withdraw the whole thing? Have had brokers tell me that's possible; have never had SEC or NASD officials tell me that's possible.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by *Mag*:
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: I wonder though, since this is written in a press release that they would round up to 100, suppose this was a mistake and the company only now realizes their blunder, do they HAVE to round up the shares because it said so in an official pr?
lol, true dat, Mag...a nuance of the "geek play" ...
doubtful they would drop the reverse split, but they might well rescind the whole "fractions, 100 shares" aspect and simply do a straight r/s...
Posted by *Mag* on :
Best thing to do is cross your fingers and toes.... It just seems to me Tex that more companies are doing these as of late; might be a "ploy" to help keep up the PPS prior to the R/S; although I have made some good bank playing these, lately the outcome is very unpredictable.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by *Mag*: Best thing to do is cross your fingers and toes.... It just seems to me Tex that more companies are doing these as of late; might be a "ploy" to help keep up the PPS prior to the R/S; although I have made some good bank playing these, lately the outcome is very unpredictable.
I heard that...lol
They *are* geek plays, after all. . . unpredictable is part of that, almost by definition.
As you say, though--seems the rescinded deal is increasingly more common. I *suspect* much has to do with the CEO's attitude. Some won't care if a few peeps make bank thusly, while others will be outraged: "How dare you make a play like this? *We'll* do the ripping-off around here, pal!"
Once again, simply points to the prevalent double-standard: Everybody but traders can make mistakes and get do-overs... Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
on this thing bout the rounding up to 100 shares , if you read back u will see that i personaly talk to feller at loyola which is paiv's investment relations firm, and he did confirm everything here , i bought 201 shares in 2 differant accounts , and i will end up with 1 share in each account that will then be rounded up to 100 shares , don't know how much return i'll get out at yet but it's bound to be in the 1000%'s , easy money Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
oh yeah there was another guy here maybe moneymoneymoney ,can't remember, talked to glen at IR. and got the same story
Posted by T e x on :
I think so, B-beard...your biggest hurdle will be the individual brokers...if everything goes as it should, say, via electronic crediting, you may be able to trade tomorrow. Equally likely, one or both brokers will not understand "the deal," and you will either wait for TA to get things straightened out, or you may even have to "fight" for your shares...
for the record, you did exactly as I was trying to do, but I caught on about five minutes too late...
Posted by midwestTEK on :
Like I says to your statement Chad...(Re-iterated)
that would be one major blunder by company!! please post tomorrow if anyone did buy and did get that HUGE(((SICK))) return. Sounds much better!LOL. Good Night.
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
yeah tex, lose 30 bucks , or win 2000 - 3000 , and i have had to deal with the brokers as for the symbol change but i have not had to much prob tradeing the next day, but the way i see it is one broker waits they all wait so everybody should be tradeing relitivly the same time.
Posted by T e x on :
I can almost guarantee Scottie will be slow to load the correct amount of shares...not saying you have Scottie...
Ameritrade usually loads pretty quickly...
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
naa i use choicetrade mainly but have firstrade , for backup and free realtime L2's
Posted by atomictraders on :
Can someone explain to me how many of you managed to buy 201 shares for this R/S deal when the PR came out at 5:23PM (after market close). How did you know the R/S was going to happen? I'm looking at all of PAIV's PR's and the one today was the first one that mentions the R/S. TIA
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
sombody found in on otcbb , i think it was brackup(sp)
Posted by *Mag* on :
quote:Originally posted by atomictraders: Can someone explain to me how many of you managed to buy 201 shares for this R/S deal when the PR came out at 5:23PM (after market close). How did you know the R/S was going to happen? I'm looking at all of PAIV's PR's and the one today was the first one that mentions the R/S. TIA
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dailylist_detail.asp?d=08/03/2006&mkt_ctg=OTCBB
Posted by BLACKBEARD on :
what time does that otcbb link get updated, in other words, what's a good time to check that link, i'm assuming it's updated before market close, correct?
Posted by *Mag* on :
The Daily Lists may be updated during the trading day from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. I find most are posted around 1:30 - 2:15
Posted by *Mag* on :
Night all and GL hopefully peeps make some loot on this 1! -Mag
Posted by *Mag* on :
Posted by atomictraders on :
This might be a little off topic, but are there ever any "geek" plays with forward splits. The only one I saw was CSJJ * 0.0001 doing a forward split of 150 for 1. That would mean you'd have 150X more shares that you could sell at 0.0001, hence a 150 bagger if they sold... I think perhaps that's why CSJJ cancelled it, LOL.
$100 would turn into $15,000! [If sold]
Posted by Chad on :
well, hope u guys that got in get some quick dough! I also hope that it comes out at a good price tomorrow and holds its level and in time, does go to bigger board , attracts bigger investers, and make us all big money!!
As a restricted holder, this should be real fun trying to get our Certs for PAIV(STILL!!!), then gtn them converted over to new ticker!. lol
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Well, TDAmeritrade said this morning that when a PR says that about rounding up to 100 shares that it usually means "per brokerage", not per investor. But they are waiting to find out for sure. He said that it is the "hot topic of the morning".
Too bad, cause I had only 1500 shares which, I guess, now will give me 7.5.
Also, TDAmeritrade said that they hadn't been delivered the PAIV shares and it isn't scheduled to finalize with them until August 7th. (Although, he did say that sometimes, it comes through earlier, so keep an eye on it).
So I may not be able to trade until August 7th. Wonder where the PPS will be by then.
Jo
Posted by same on :
Chad IMO
I do not care what the negative posters say. IMO this is great news for us, the Company is following a game plan. We wiil be happy.
Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote SAME, your as familiar with this stock as any, is this a good thing, bad thing, or no change from today thing, for us RESTRICTED shareholders.
I guess 1st we need to get our Certs. lol
Posted by jg on :
A little update:
Per TDAmeritrade, the DTC informed them the "payment date" for the PAVC shares is SCHEDULED for Monday August 7, 2006. What that means is Aturd is expecting to receive the post split PAVC shares for their clients. Aturd said currently you may BUY PAVC shares but will not be able to sell. Also, they made it clear that the scheduled date of payment is not written in stone...meaning it coud be tues. or wed. before they get the shares from the DTC. Once they receive the shares, you may trade your UNRESTRICTED. for those of you seeing PAVC in your aturd account with your pre split numbers, is that the symbol change is complete, but aturd doesn't have possession of the shares to verify and show the post split numbers. Once they get them...everything SHOULD be accurate.
On another note, information I've received is that this R/S has been in the process for at least two months, and the purpose is to move to the amex or nasd. The pps needed to meet minimum requirements, and the next step is the financials. Unfortunately the amex and nasd move pretty much at the same speed as the SEC, so per my information, it could be 6 to 9 months down the road before we see that move. I'm not saying it WILL take that long, just that it can. Since this has been in the works for several months, hopefully management has things rolling, and we see it sooner than later. I questioned a possible buyout/merger to facillitate the move, response was those options weren't mentioned in the equation at the present time
Posted by same on :
Call your Broker Compliance Dept
Call the SEC, NASD, your Brokers Compliance Dept. Do a NASD and SEC Complaint against your Brokerage Compliance Dept for not cooperating with the T/A on requests made for information needed by the T/A so we can receive our Restricted PAVC formerly PAIV Shares.
If we do not put the Pressure on the above parties you will never get what is legally yours. THAT IS A FACT.
Here are Links and phone numbers for the SEC and NASD , Call the Compliance Dept Scottrade or your Brokerage Compliance Dept.
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