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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
As of today I would vote Ted Cruz.
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
If held today, I would vote Ted Cruz...
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
if held today I would vote for Trump
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
Trump
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Cruz
 
Posted by Upside on :
 
Trump
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
if held today I would vote for Trump

Ray, you misspelled Hiltery.
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
The results of this poll mirror exactly what I am seeing in the Northeast, these are the only two candidates that ever come up in conversation.

As gaudy as Trumps poll numbers are, I think his actual numbers are even more ridiculous. I personally know a pile of people that will be voting for the first time or for the first time in many years because of Trump. Many who have given up on the entire political process are now engaged and it's all because of The Donald. I love it!!!
Cracks me up when the establishment tries to discredit him after the debates or one of his rallies with their "esteemed professional panels" consisting of jerk offs like Karl Rove, Krautthammer etc. Their rambling is falling on deaf ears, most people I know couldn't pick those dudes out of a lineup and I assure you, they don't really care what any of them think or say...
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I noticed no Marco Rubio. I also noticed he was absent for the spending bill vote. Cruz and Sanders were there to vote on it.

Rubio has flat out exploited the Tea Party that got him elected. He did a major flop from immigration position before and after elected.


On Cruz, I like him. Theres still not enough I know about him though to be enthusiastic. Dont get me wrong I would be happy if he won. Maybe it will be a Trump Cruz ticket. Trump would never be a VP though. Trump Cruz is an interesting combo of backgrounds. Harvard law ace, and job creator. Thats what people care about. The economy and jobs, and Trump is pushing that pretty hard at his rallies. If they joined forces the rest of the Republicans might as well quit.


You know Donald Trump bags on Jeb Bush a lot. Especially for his spending and nothing to show. Bush has raised over 100 million and spent many millions on ads already. The donors are not seeing a return. Nobody wants another Bush or Clinton.

If Hillary runs against Trump she will lose. At one of his latest rallies he said that he hasnt even started on Hillary yet. I can only imagine how that would go down during a debate forum. He has no problem calling her out on the email scandal, and questioning her eligibility to even run for office that she doesnt have the strength or stamina for.


I imagine some people start dropping out of the Republican race after the hollidays. They will most likely come out and say "Well you know over the hollidays while spending time with my family I realized thats where my heart is and that is why I am pulling out of the race".

You know, the usual BS to try to save face. Its so hard to watch sometime. Also take note the kind words between Putin and Trump recently. That caught my eye.
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
Open border Dems would love nothing more than a Rubio vs. Clinton race, it's a win/win for them. This is why so many people are fed up with the entire process, can you blame them? You can rarely take anything these candidates say at face value, constantly speaking from both sides of their mouths. Only way to see where they actually stand on the issues is to follow the money trail, the Rubio money trail speaks volumes jmo.

As far as a Trump/Cruz ticket...
I think that is exactly what we are gonna see. CNN tried to bait them into a "cage match" but neither one of them were having it. It's not like Trump back pedal on his statements about fellow candidates but I think he quickly realized that alienating Cruz is not good for his campaign. Trump knows he is close and Cruz would seal the deal for him. Jmo

In exchange for their endorsement, candidates with any kind of support in the polls will stick around just long enough to try and cut deals with the front runners. The rest, like you mentioned will soon be exiting with their typical headline statements.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
What no commies here? Sanders could still beat Billary. I think Obama was further back than Sanders is, and he's black, and has big ears and a wierd name, but he still beat her... Somebody's in denial...Billary can't get it through their heads that Obama beat them cuz America wants no more of them. It's the most extreme hubris i've ever seen... but then this job attracts that personality don't it?

Anybody else notice that Billary got alot more time than anyone else in the debate last night? The media has already voted and crowned herhighness..
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Did I see that right? Lindsey Graham is out!!!

I can not stand him.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i didn't know he was in...
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Yup Lindsey is out, right now he is somewhere working on growing his big fat assss. Heard Christy is going to join him soon and they are going to present themselves as independents of the bouncing ticket.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Is Fiorina going to quit anytime soon? I mean she seems to be overstaying her welcome now. Im not really for or against her. There is just not a lot of energy backing her.

Trump is still bringing the largest crowds ever...everywhere he goes. Its insane. The arenas get filled, and there are always overflow areas. Im pretty sure Bernie's Crowds are much larger than Hillary's.

I dont think Rand Paul can really do much more than he has. I like the guy, but his reach is limited. What other Republican can get a standing ovation at Berkley by students? A lot of it the media is at fault. He never really got the time to get his views out as often as the usual.


Any ideas for Donald Trump's VP?
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
MooMoo, unless there is some incredible dirt Jeb has on Trump?... Trump is the guy.

In my opinion, Trump won the presidency the very minute the San Bernardino attack happened. Cemented further today when that idiot Bammy started crying after calling the constitution a piece of paper.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
She doesnt have the STRENGTH or the STAMINA to be President. She doesnt have the strength, or the stamina.
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
As much as I like the constitutionalist in Cruz, I'm switching my vote to Trump. Even though Cruz is the anti establishment politician, he's still a politician that has to answer to his donors. Washington needs a complete makeover and the country needs a leader who thinks about America and the people he or she was elected to represent above all else. Trump Is the most likely to make that happen jmo.

Despite the banter between the two as of late, I still think a Trump/Cruz ticket is a very real possibility. I'm also seeing NC Governor Pat McCrory's name pop up here and there for a possible running mate. Don't really know a whole lot about him.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Happy Valley:
As much as I like the constitutionalist in Cruz, I'm switching my vote to Trump. Even though Cruz is the anti establishment politician, he's still a politician that has to answer to his donors. Washington needs a complete makeover and the country needs a leader who thinks about America and the people he or she was elected to represent above all else. Trump Is the most likely to make that happen jmo.

Despite the banter between the two as of late, I still think a Trump/Cruz ticket is a very real possibility. I'm also seeing NC Governor Pat McCrory's name pop up here and there for a possible running mate. Don't really know a whole lot about him.

Im in the same boat as you. We really need something totally different. Trump's personality is why I never really followed him or paid attention to over the years. However, right now its what this country needs.

Not "change" and "hope" that were promised back in 2007 and 2008. PLUS, I think a lot of Democrats are going to go for Trump. They say he has at LEAST 25% of the African American vote. Liberals go around saying he is racist and bad for black people, but he is named in so many rap albums and is so highly regarded for his wealth. Biggest thing is jobs, which Obama was the chosen one to fix unemployment for African Americans.


As for his VP, I think it may be Carl Ichan.
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
I think Ichan will play a role but for the same reasons I don't think Trump would ever consider being VP, I don't think Ichan would either. Would be entertaining watching the left go nutso over that possibility though.

Watching the undercard debate, Santorum is clearly auditioning for the Trump VP gig...
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Cruz is bulldozing them tonight.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Rubio needs to drop out.
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
As does Jeb
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Happy Valley:
I think Ichan will play a role but for the same reasons I don't think Trump would ever consider being VP, I don't think Ichan would either. Would be entertaining watching the left go nutso over that possibility though.

Watching the undercard debate, Santorum is clearly auditioning for the Trump VP gig...

I watched some of the undercard debate. Santorum you could tell was trying to be loud with his chest out. Showing he has some fight, or at least trying to. I do not think Trump and Santorum would get along at all.


I thought Rubio held his own in the debate. Chris Christie lied and said he didnt support sotamayor (or however you spell her name), but he did. Rubio polls well against Hillary Clinton. The Cuban background could be a plus.

Cruz did well, but I felt some of his talk was too scripted. Cruz does know the constitution. His background is impressive. I think Trump showed a few weak spots. He basically maintained tonight. No gains, no real losses. Cruz I think could take Iowa now after tonight. Probably some Iowans on the fence, and maybe tonight gave them a push over.

Jeb Bush...he tried. Like Charles K said on FOX..Jeb had probably his best night, but does not have the follow through. His joke about Hillary going between the White House and the court house was pretty good though. Why would anyone give money to Jeb at this point.


Kasich didnt really do much. He cant pull it off. Carly Fiorina had an awful interview with Chris Matthews after the first debate.

Oh and Ben Carson. Wow he has really slowed down, and the guy talks all over the place in a odd way. He should stick to medicine.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Did you see the attack ad from Bush against Rubio? It was shown just after the debate.

After seeing that, I am certain that Rubio is the establishments pick. Folks believe that Jeb is the pick, but they have ditched him. With Bush going after the 3rd place guy, it makes perfect sense. He is the last RINO hope for 2016.

The majority of the Tea Party sees through the two-faced Rubio.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Many campaign workers and advisors for Ben Carson jumped ship, and are now working on the Cruz team.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LKr4iLYibE
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Cruz's wife IS The Establishment, and we cannot afford to have her in the WH she will doom his bid when people find this out;
In 2003, she worked for the Bush administration on economic policy.[1][11] Eventually becoming the director for the Western Hemisphere on the National Security Council under National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice in 2003.[1][10][12] She left Washington DC in 2004 to support her husband's run for elective office in Texas.[13] In 2005, she joined Goldman Sachs, serving as a private wealth manager[14] and is currently the Region Head for the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman Sachs in Houston.[1][10][15] She had served as vice president for seven years before the promotion in 2013.[16] She took a leave of absence without pay for her husband's 2016 presidential campaign.[13]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi_Cruz

Now add this to the pot, and you get a lying sack of chit-

But the couple’s decision to pump more than $1 million into Mr. Cruz’s successful Tea Party-darling Senate bid in Texas was made easier by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, where Mrs. Cruz works. That loan was not disclosed in campaign finance reports.
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JAN. 13, 2016

Those reports show that in the critical weeks before the May 2012 Republican primary, Mr. Cruz — currently a leading contender for his party’s presidential nomination — put “personal funds” totaling $960,000 into his Senate campaign. Two months later, shortly before a scheduled runoff election, he added more, bringing the total to $1.2 million — “which is all we had saved,” as Mr. Cruz described it in an interview with The New York Times several years ago.
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Graphic: 2016 Primary Calendar and Results

A review of personal financial disclosures that Mr. Cruz filed later with the Senate does not find a liquidation of assets that would have accounted for all the money he spent on his campaign. What it does show, however, is that in the first half of 2012, Ted and Heidi Cruz obtained the low-interest loan from Goldman Sachs, as well as another one from Citibank. The loans totaled as much as $750,000 and eventually increased to a maximum of $1 million before being paid down later that year. There is no explanation of their purpose.


How'd they pay that down? "contributions"?

not only are they hiding the truth (being kind) they are bought and paid for by the banks we bailed out, and wasn't that what the T_Party was against?
seriously, these people are not fit to hold public office.

that's a fail, another Fail and yet a third FAIL.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
spot on glass Cruz is a lying Canadian POS
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
I see Lindsey Graham has endorsed Jeb Bush. They had a big press conference where they went back and forth telling each other how great they are and everything. Wonder what Jeb had to promise him in order to lock down Graham's highly coveted 0%?
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
ROFL... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EIgHsGZAmk
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Speaking of Goldman Sachs glass...

http://www.stockshortdata.com/news/
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Just watched the live stream of Cruz in Iowa. It was pretty powerful.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/23/glenn-beck-endorses-ted-cruz-for-pres ident/
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
As I have stated before, I like the constitutionalist in Ted Cruz but I would be beyond pissed if my name ended up one on of those "Voter Violation" mailers. Who's the genius that thought this was a good idea? Seriously, WTF were they thinking???
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Happy Valley:
As I have stated before, I like the constitutionalist in Ted Cruz but I would be beyond pissed if my name ended up one on of those "Voter Violation" mailers. Who's the genius that thought this was a good idea? Seriously, WTF were they thinking???

I saw the articles earlier today on the Ted Cruz shaming voters. Really bad taste to do that, and he didnt care either when people brought up concerns. The Cruz camp is getting REALLY nasty, and have been all weekend. This whole weekend has been politically ugly on social media. Mainly Twitter. To be fair there are a lot of trump assholes online too. When I see people blindly following Hillary online I really wonder about their sanity. Bernie has a lot of momentum, and a lot of followers who dont even look old enough to vote.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:

I dont think Rand Paul can really do much more than he has. I like the guy, but his reach is limited.

I used to like him, until he got behind McConnell in this last Kentucky Primary. Matt Bevin could have won if Rand and Rubio weren't on the establishment dole supporting Mitch, imo. They do not have Cruz's backbone.
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
Chris Christie is having a good night, he is all over Marco Rubio.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
I am enjoying seeing Rubio being called out.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
I am enjoying seeing Rubio being called out.

I liked seeing that too. Rubio got caught being pretty well programmed. Brit Hume from FOX News said it reminded him of Dan Quayle lmao
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
if you have been following the recent developments on Marco Rubio you will get this. Photo taken outside MArco Rubio rally in NH.


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Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
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Posted by raybond on :
 
It Took Jeb $150 Million, 250 Days And 3 States To Figure Out Republicans Don’t Want More Bush
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
It Took Jeb $150 Million, 250 Days And 3 States To Figure Out Republicans Don’t Want More Bush

He should have listened to his mom last year when she originally said there are plenty of other well qualified people, and that we dont need another Bush. Think about how pissed those donors are? You know they were pushed to give money, and all would be well. Now, they lost it all and will not have that influence they wanted.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Bloomberg) -- Jeb Bush plans to meet with former rivals for the Republican presidential nomination Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and John Kasich this week in Miami, a spokeswoman said.

Florida, which Bush once governed, holds a crucial primary on March 15. That contest could set up a one-on-one showdown between Cruz and billionaire Donald Trump if native son Rubio falters there. Kasich has said he'll drop out of the race if he doesn't win his home-state primary in Ohio that same day.

Bush, who dropped out after a poor showing in South Carolina last month, hasn't endorsed any candidate yet—including Rubio, whom he mentored in the Florida statehouse years ago. His plans, reported earlier Wednesday by the Washington Post, were confirmed by aide Kristy Campbell.

Cruz campaigned on Wednesday in Miami, where Bush lives. At Miami-Dade College downtown, Cruz said the results of Tuesday’s nominating contests—where Trump dominated three states while Cruz won one—show that he's the only remaining bona fide challenger to Trump.

“It is a simple question of math whether or not a candidate can get to 1,237 delegates,” Cruz said. The race “will end up one-on-one with me and Donald Trump. Head to head, we win.”
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
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Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
Classy looking bunch...I think the dope stomping on the flag is at the wrong protest.
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Happy Valley:
Classy looking bunch...I think the dope stomping on the flag is at the wrong protest.

Soros is spending millions...
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
quote:
Originally posted by Happy Valley:
Classy looking bunch...I think the dope stomping on the flag is at the wrong protest.

Soros is spending millions...
I saw that as well. Worked out well for him yesterday. Love him or hate him, Trump has changed the game. The days of hand picked, fat cat backed candidates waltzing into the White House are done.

The old stand by knock on Trump is he is not a "true conservative" or a "real republican" etc. If he continues to pile up wins in the Republican primaries, does that not tell us he represents the thoughts and frustrations of a very large percentage of current Republican voters? Do the millions of registered Republican voters decide what is the current state of the Repubican party or do a few career politicians and TV talking heads?

If I was able to register independent and still vote in the primaries, I would. I'm fed up with the Republican party all together. This entire process has exposed these people for what they are, self serving, agenda driven shysters. The arrogance and lack of humility in the wake of what their voter base is telling them is beyond infuriating to me.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
well said Happy. If the party does not begin to support Trump and Hillary wins? Class warfare will be the next frequently used catch-phrase.

Trump and Bernie both represent a move away from the exsiting power brokers. The big media outlets are part of that structure.

If Trump gets trumped out, he should try to form a new News Media conglomerate with cable and internet being the heavy focus.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
All in all I think after this go around it looks like the GOP will splinter like the wigs and might be around for another 10 years.

And I take Trumps word of possible riots if they rob him of the nomination, as he has the most loyal
followings that I have seen in years.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
All in all I think after this go around it looks like the GOP will splinter like the wigs and might be around for another 10 years.

And I take Trumps word of possible riots if they rob him of the nomination, as he has the most loyal
followings that I have seen in years.

I keep seeing the same thing when it comes to the nasty protesters at Trump rallies. Red communist flags, burning the American flag, stomping on the American flag, swearing at people going into the rallies, free palestine, black lives matter, moveon.org, and other groups.

Today they shut down a highway in Arizona, and while many of them I am sure cried about Chris Christie and "bridgegate" I am sure they have no problem when it comes to people trying to get to a funeral, a wedding, or deliver a baby.

Screw them. All they are doing is making trum stronger.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Trump met with the establishment today, in DC. They are starting to get behind him.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/03/sen-tom-cotton-to-kneel-be fore-trump
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/03/utah-republicans-to-use-on line-voting-in-caucuses
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
All in all I think after this go around it looks like the GOP will splinter like the wigs and might be around for another 10 years.

And I take Trumps word of possible riots if they rob him of the nomination, as he has the most loyal
followings that I have seen in years.

i think it already did splinter. When the bailouts were first announced, the GOP's supported them. It took about three days for the anti-bailout people to figure out that they didn't want them. I was listening to Dave Ramsey when he came out and announced that he wouldn't support any bailouts. He started off by saying that what he was about to say would sound wrong, but you needed to hear him out.... At that moment when he said he was aginst bail-outs, i knew if he carried any weight with the idea, there was going to be a big split in conservatism. Family values should at minimum include the notion that every child has a dry warm bed and vittles regardless of how screwed up their parents are. Ramsey always gave excellent advice as far i was concerned, until he came up with the anti-bailout notions.
Beleive me i don't like the bail-outs, but i listened very carefully to my Grandparents stories of the Great Depression- it was a national disgrace. We could just as easliy have taken all that bail-out money and dsitributed it evenly amongst all the adults in America and gotten better job growth out of it than we actually got, but that's not really the point. Bush had actually done that twice already in much smaller amounts than they had to use in '08.
The point was and remains that the USA was robbed by white-collar workers primarily on Wall st and in the Banking biz and not one thing has changed to keep that from happening again. The only two candidates who are not owned by the same people who caused the collapse are Bernie and the Donald. Trump is at least a Capitalist.... I'm not even sure what Bernie is...
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
Crazy Bernie is a socialist AKA the Free Sht Army.
 
Posted by buckstalker on :
 
Bernie is an idealist (as are most democrats)
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Where did everybody go? I love Bernie. We could've had the fur flying. ;-)
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
The board died, Tex
 
Posted by Happy Valley on :
 
Good to see you posting again Tex, hope all is well...

As far as the board, Relentless pretty much summed it up...
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Tex nice to hear from you again. Welcome back
 


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