Apparently a simple traffic stop lead to the deaths of two Hattiesburg cops last night...
" Rookie and 'officer of the year' shot dead in cold blood: Couple and brother arrested for murder of two Mississippi cops after traffic stop; officer on the ground said 'I'm dying' as he tried to raise alarm "
Posted by Relentless. on :
This crap needs to stop. It really seems like tensions are rising.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: This crap needs to stop. It really seems like tensions are rising.
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: This crap needs to stop. It really seems like tensions are rising.
Posted by glassman on :
it's going to get alot worse IMO. tensions this high in spring surely mean that the long hot summer will sizzle.
Posted by raybond on :
It is really almost to late to do anything. specially when you see the crips and bloods making a deal of cooperation together and to jointly protest these killings. It is almost like the gangs are getting a community sprit which gives them a certain degree of respect.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: It is really almost to late to do anything. specially when you see the crips and bloods making a deal of cooperation together and to jointly protest these killings. It is almost like the gangs are getting a community sprit which gives them a certain degree of respect.
The race issue is only one part of what's going down too. Racial issues are the most easily captured on TV and so get the most headlines, but the unrest in Wisonsin 2011 wasn't about race. The cash divide has become a grand canyon of sorts and the evidence that the enforcement of laws is now about generating cash-flow off the backs of the poorest is irrefutable.
There's no excuse for killing cops, but there's alos no excuse for the way the country is being divided either. The cops are not supposed to be for-profit and yet everyone on the street knows they are now.
Posted by glassman on :
Zimmerman was just involved in another shooting incdent too.... the reports are contradictory except he survived it....
Posted by raybond on :
I agree the race issue is not the only problem. But I feel it is at the core of most of the problems. Decent housing, the lack of, employment are just a few to mention. And what is societies answer to this? Forget about it until it starts to explode and then send in more police and troops.
Posted by glassman on :
not a cop, but this town is just up the road from me, pop. about 17,000 maybe a dozen cops...
Security guard shot, killed in Clarksdale, MS Posted: May 12, 2015 7:46 AM CST Updated: May 12, 2015 11:59 AM CST
A 59-year-old security guard was shot and killed in Clarksdale, Mississippi early Tuesday morning.
The shooting happened around 1 a.m. at the Clarksdale public utility guard house in the 200 block of Hicks Street.
Police say he was inside the gate when he was shot by someone on the other side.
The guard, who worked for Woods Security, died at the hospital.
Police have not released the guard's name.
WMC Action News 5's Lauren Squires spoke with family and they identified him as Finnis Melvin "Butch" Catledge III.
Stay with WMCActionNews5.com and WMC Action News 5 for more details on this developing story. Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: I agree the race issue is not the only problem. But I feel it is at the core of most of the problems. Decent housing, the lack of, employment are just a few to mention. And what is societies answer to this? Forget about it until it starts to explode and then send in more police and troops.
The core of the problem with the cops has nothing to do with race. The two issues are completely separate.
Cops nowadays are in a position where they are forced to believe in and enforce unconstitutional laws such that we the people rebel (rebel means anything from give them a hard time about it to full on violence in some cases)to the point that they become jaded. There are also factors within that. Cops are generally not the brightest in the gene pool... In fact we've seen many stories in recent years saying potential candidates were turned away for being too smart... They also tend to get on power trips as a result of these factors.. Forced to enforce unconstitutional laws.. Not too Bright.. Bad mix.
As far as the race issue... This is the result of current and decades old popular culture. The current minority culture is very damaging to society... It's not because they're poor.. It's because they are raised from day one to idolize heathens, for lack of a better word.
I don't care how many teachers tell some kid not to be violent, if the kid's parent/s... role models... favorite musician.. etc all act like the thug life is the right life... Then nothing changes.
Let's also add to the mix that cops are shooting and killing more white folk than minorities.. I suppose that tid bit of info did not make it's way to the main CNN headline, or even the supposedly right leaning FOX's...
Posted by Relentless. on :
I suppose the thread was meant to show that both sides are ramping up.. Fed by media...
Posted by raybond on :
Well as usual you are part right and speak with no experience. I have spent years looking at racism at work. And I have seen what it does and how it affects things that you would not believe. idiot!
Posted by raybond on :
And further more were in my post do I breakdown percentages of white vs black cop killings. I am surprised you broke away from your mirror looking at yourself wearing you 45 auto, long enough to think what a tough guy you are. And before you accuse me of not wanting open carry laws. Remember AZ where I have spent most of my life is an open carry sate and I am for open carry.
Posted by glassman on :
I've subscribed (free, not paid) to several different "information services" in the last few years that follow the "cops versus the people" problem that is exploding.
It might surprise you ray to know that cops kill one person in the USA every 8 hours. Cop killings are up this year over last by 80%- basically it's gone form one cop dead per week to almost two. versus 3 dead "perps" PER DAY.. IT SOUNDS LIKE WAR TO ME
I too have lived a large protion of mylife on the race line. I was Jr High in PG County md when they began the bussing. it was a nightmare for all of us regardless of color. I repoed cars in the greater wash DC area for a long time. That brought the whole issue right in my face with no "backup". I have involuntarily spent the last ten years in the most poverty stricken large region of the US. It's commonly understood in MS that 'The Delta' is like a foreign country even to the rest of MS. Since i am still here and surrounded by the most overt racists in the US on BOTH sides of the race issue, i just keep my head low and watch. I can tell you this, it feels like this place will go up like a cup of gasoline on fire with just hte least spark. We had a young black kid killed about four years ago by the cops. The kid was a witness to a drug bust. he ran up to the cop car where the perps were being searched grabbed a bag of white powder the cops had tossed on the hood and took off runnin'. He ran too slow and did not survive apprehension. One cops was white and one was black. One cop just happened to be my son's karate teacher. I still beleive he used excessive force and over-responded. He's long gone from our city- he was not tried. We had no riots over this death, which was totally unnecessary while the Ferguson shooting was most likely a justified shooting. There's been too many covered up abuses in the past, so it's not going to take much to explode. Add to the mix the new cost of food. $5.50 for a pound of burger is crazy stupid. it pisses me off and i can afford it. Just how do you think people feel who can't? H-brger is like the comfort food of the masses. It's always been cheap an accessible... not today- it's all the things adding up and then- yes the media won't stop reminding everybody of all the stuff 24-7...
Powder keg, primed for a match, and i don't know how it won't blow, but we've been here before and got thru it.... it's sad that we keep coming back to the same basic place.
Posted by glassman on :
i think this sums it all up right here;
Updated: Tue, May 12 2015, 09:34 AM A warning tonight from one of Baltimore's former leaders, who is predicting more unrest should the officers in Freddie Gray's case be acquitted. Former mayor Kurt Schmoke says it's going to be a difficult case for the state to win if history is any indicator. Schmoke says he prosecuted an officer in the 1980's. And, the officer was acquitted. He says the public should lower its expectations. While Schmoke knows it's not possible, he'd rather see a wrongful death suit before a criminal trial. If officers are acquitted criminally, Schmoke says the city has to be prepared for more unrest.
Posted by glassman on :
question to somebody with a bit more time on this earth than me.
i was a child of the sixties. i was only vaguely aware of the protests and defintiley not aware of the full spectrum of the unrest in the sixties. By the time i became a teenager we were well into the 70's and open unrest and protest had really begun to settle down.
how did the protesting and rioting really come to an end? was it just over due to lack of interest? Did the police change the way they had been behaving for decades?
Posted by glassman on :
OK, this is in the CNN headlines right now.
This article is full of irony to me. Two wrongs don't make anything right- never have...
Michelle Obama was right to bring up race
By Roxanne Jones
Updated 2:48 PM ET, Tue May 12, 2015 Editor's note; "Roxanne Jones, a founding editor of ESPN Magazine and former vice president at ESPN, has worked as a producer and as a reporter at the New York Daily News and The Philadelphia Inquirer. She was named a 2010 Woman of the Year by Women in Sports and Events. Jones is a co-author of "Say It Loud: An Illustrated History of the Black Athlete" and CEO of the Push Marketing Group. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author. "
(CNN)My mom is an old-school Baby Boomer. She likes to color-coordinate her outfits to make sure they match head to toe -- accessories and all. And though I long ago rebelled against this traditional fashion sense, there's no denying that she always looks good, even to my Gen-X eye for mismatched fashion. Back when she was in the thick of her battles against a nearly fatal bout of cancer, Mom refused to leave the house looking defeated. Which is why I was so taken aback one afternoon during a mother-daughter outing when I heard an older white woman in the ladies' room say to my mom: "Wow, you people look so good in all those colors. You girls are always so colorful. If I wore so many colors, I'd look awful."
When I look at my mom, I see a proud, stylish, strong woman. One who has earned the right not to be called "girl." One who is not "you people." But that woman with her backhanded, condescending compliment looked at my mother and saw only her blackness, and all of ignorant stereotypes that have been passed down through the generations. Mom to her was just another colorful, exotic Negro woman to be observed like the newest zoo exhibit. She didn't actually see my mother at all. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/12/opinions/jones-michelle-obama-remarks/index.html Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i think this sums it all up right here;
Updated: Tue, May 12 2015, 09:34 AM A warning tonight from one of Baltimore's former leaders, who is predicting more unrest should the officers in Freddie Gray's case be acquitted. Former mayor Kurt Schmoke says it's going to be a difficult case for the state to win if history is any indicator. Schmoke says he prosecuted an officer in the 1980's. And, the officer was acquitted. He says the public should lower its expectations. While Schmoke knows it's not possible, he'd rather see a wrongful death suit before a criminal trial. If officers are acquitted criminally, Schmoke says the city has to be prepared for more unrest.
**Caution, Ray, do not read any further as the clear logic displayed below will cause you to make idiotic statements which I haven't the time to reply to**
As I was saying Glass... This incident, to me, has all the markings of clear police brutality... Granted the kid was a moron and a drug dealer and ultimately it is... ummm .. was his responsibility to avoid a course of action which would lead to his apprehension... Buuut, a broken neck? That one's hard to defend.
Posted by glassman on :
what little video i have seen, he looked to me to only be semi-conscious when they loaded him into the back of the van. Tha COULD indicate he was injured when he was "taken doewn" and the injuries were either exacerbated by the rough ride or the internal swelling hadn't started yet and as it did the inflamation inside his spine and brain got worse, so did he... i have no idea when the video i saw was taken or if it is even authentic. I think we all know that the cops get and have nearly always gotten more than a little benefit of the doubt in any of these cases. The problem for cops now is that everybody has a camera and it ain't goin' to be business as usual anymore. they are going to have to change the training regimen or this is gong to get alot worse.
Three people killed per day by cops, every day. That's not really OK IMO- esp. if they are enforcing minor drug laws and petty thefts. Is it really important enough to kill a fifteen yr old kid cuz he snatched a bag of dope off the police cruiser during a search? It was stoopid of him, it was prolly somethig stupid that the guy in Baltimore got stopped for too, but so far i haven't actually heard what it was they stopped him for...... which is even crazier IMO....
Posted by Relentless. on :
Right and it goes back to an argument I made here years ago about how many of these guys are charged and ultimately convicted of resisting arrest... AND NOTHING MORE.
I hear so many chuckle-heads screaming about the police state is coming and how bad it will be... Crap it's already here and has been for some time.
Wow this water is getting warm... ribbit... ribbit
Posted by raybond on :
hello rent pulled your self away from the mirror long enough to make a stupid statement. Why don't you become a cop? You could get to pretend you are dirty harry then and if your salt investment pays off you could buy a 44 mag. that is if the ebola virus does not kill us all first that was another plot to get rid of all of us. Back to the state run news for me.Talk to you later little girl.
Posted by glassman on :
The ACLU in California today released a free smart-phone app that allows people to send cellphone videos of police encounters to the ACLU, automatically—and the ACLU will preserve the video footage, even if the cops seize the phone and delete the video or destroy the phone. The app, “Mobile Justice CA,” works for both iPhones and Android users. It’s available at Apple’s App Store and at Google Play.
The app features a large red “Record” button in the middle of the screen. When it’s pressed, the video is recorded on the phone and a duplicate copy is transmitted simultaneously to the ACLU server. When the “stop” button is pressed, a “Report” screen appears, where information about the location of the incident and the people involved can also be transmitted to the ACLU. The video and the information are treated as a request for legal assistance and reviewed by staff members. Posted by Relentless. on :
I love it. We should all be recording the cops whenever possible. Not just for us but for each other. If we don't have an ap like this then we all can have a ustream account pre-set to not just upload but automatically save all video on ustream servers. I'm sure there's other services out there but ustream is the only one I know off the top of my head.
The first step in resistance is exposure of our foe's misdeeds.
Posted by glassman on :
It's in response to growing movement and the counter-movement of the police. Cops do not like to be filmed, and they will take action if you are not very well informed, and even then you can't stop them form destroyng the evidence without "resisting arrest".
have you heard of PINAC yet?
it stands for Photography Is Not A Crime. trying to photograph cops can land you in world of chit. There's alot of resources being deployed to assist photographers amateur and pro;
in general video does tell the truth, but we alos know that editing can make white seem black. so the loading up of videos automatically to your lawyer (ACLU) is the safest way to go IMO... The aclu considers the upload a request for services and it therefore becomes protected.
the ACLU has doen some prety wierd stuff like provide legal aide to Rush Limbaugh. But this is one great idea because as agents of the court they cannot eff withthese recording
Posted by raybond on :
cops have been killing and beating people forever. I would say there is less of it now since they are being filmed. And they are very afraid of being a star on the next show. There is nothing new to what is happening as far as the victims of these police crimes are concerned. Making the public aware of killings, beatings, weapon planting and evidence planting the only way these crimes will stop is by taking pictures. My only advise to anybody is make sure when you are taking pictures with your cell phone you are not alone.
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: The ACLU in California today released a free smart-phone app that allows people to send cellphone videos of police encounters to the ACLU, automatically—and the ACLU will preserve the video footage, even if the cops seize the phone and delete the video or destroy the phone. The app, “Mobile Justice CA,” works for both iPhones and Android users. It’s available at Apple’s App Store and at Google Play.
The app features a large red “Record” button in the middle of the screen. When it’s pressed, the video is recorded on the phone and a duplicate copy is transmitted simultaneously to the ACLU server. When the “stop” button is pressed, a “Report” screen appears, where information about the location of the incident and the people involved can also be transmitted to the ACLU. The video and the information are treated as a request for legal assistance and reviewed by staff members.
Just installed the Mississippi version.. Not like I ever have encounters with law enforcement but you never know.
Posted by glassman on :
Mayor Mitch Landrieu- City of New Orleans Mayor of New Orleans · 1 hr ·
Today, a Housing Authority of New Orleans (HANO) police officer was shot and killed while on duty. This is an unspeakable tragedy, and a vile and cowardly act. Tragedies that involve our men and women in uniform affect our entire city and touch every member of our law enforcement community. We are deeply saddened by this loss, and our hearts and prayers are with the officer's friends and family and with the entire HANO family during this very difficult time. NOPD and HANO will work very closely to identify and arrest those responsible for this heinous assault.
Posted by Relentless. on :
Saw that Glass... Absolute insanity. This cop wasn't doing anything but sitting in his car.
Posted by glassman on :
Ok, it's getting even worse than ever before here. Clarksdale MS is where the so-called crossroads is (there's a hundred) but this one s the most famous. Morgan Freeman is from there and he has a Blues Club we go to (very rarely cuz it's a shack like all the bars in the Delta are).
Clarksdale is having so much tension (nobody mentions race) that they have called in the State Troopers to assist police.
There's been alot of murders this year. not just in Clarksdale, but all over the Delta...
the green spot is the Delta....it hasn't been a real river delta for several million years, but that's wht they call it. It's like no place else in the US-
very common scene here, they actaually try to look like htis on purpose, and all the bars are like this:
Posted by raybond on :
I wouldn't take a dump in a place like that.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: I wouldn't take a dump in a place like that.
yeah. me either. so i don't go out to party much here.
Posted by glassman on :
this is Morgan Freeman and Bill Luckett's joint- Bill is the mayor of Clarksdale and is also a lawyer with a lear jet.The two of them are muli-multi-millionaires, but thes is their pride and joy...
it's like being in Haiti or something, and i've been in better places in quite a few third world countries........ heck here's the tourist attraction site for teh Delta;
the race wars here are so bad that some restaurants do not even put out signs so they can refuse service to anyone they choose... it's creepy and the tensions are rising (which i didn't beleive was possible)
the only good thing about living here is that i have saved more money than i ever have before....
Posted by Relentless. on :
Honestly?
That looks like home. It looks to me like an honest establishment.
I would argue a picture like that is more representative of purity than this image: All day every day!...
Posted by glassman on :
honestly, i've never been to a TGIF. I'm a tavern with pool table type.
the pool tables here (very few) are ripped, drinks stains all over and just plain dirty - as in never once brushed or cleaned.. greasy even. it's gross, you have to wash your hands aafter one game blah!
in Nebraska i was in three pool leagues. played torunament twice month some of 'em with three hundred people....
here? in the Delta, not all of MS- but the delta they literally refuse to sweep the floors because they might lose some of the ambiance... teh blues isn't music here, it's LIFE and they make sure to live it that way on peurpose. funny thing tho, every good Bluesman leaves as soon as they have any money- they come back once inawhile and you can catch them if you are in the mood-
i was over in Starkville and found good clean pool halls that serve good drinks and food with both sizes of tables all immaculate.. it's the Delta man- they been crop dusting her for 75 years now and it's taken it's toll..
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: honestly, i've never been to a TGIF. I'm a tavern with pool table type.
the pool tables here (very few) are ripped, drinks stains all over and just plain dirty - as in never once brushed or cleaned.. greasy even. it's gross, you have to wash your hands aafter one game blah!
in Nebraska i was in three pool leagues. played torunament twice month some of 'em with three hundred people....
here? in the Delta, not all of MS- but the delta they literally refuse to sweep the floors because they might lose some of the ambiance... teh blues isn't music here, it's LIFE and they make sure to live it that way on peurpose. funny thing tho, every good Bluesman leaves as soon as they have any money- they come back once inawhile and you can catch them if you are in the mood-
i was over in Starkville and found good clean pool halls that serve good drinks and food with both sizes of tables all immaculate.. it's the Delta man- they been crop dusting her for 75 years now and it's taken it's toll..
Wonder if this is stirring up any tensions:
Clarksdale, MS Mayor Removes Flag From City Hall
The mayor of Clarksdale, Mississippi has removed the state from city hall, refusing to let it fly until it is redesigned.
The state flag has the Confederate flag built into its design. Clarksdale Mayor Bill Luckett removed the flag from city hall last Thursday saying it will not fly again until that symbol is removed from the flag.
After the South Carolina Church shooting last month, there have been debates around the country about the fate of the Southern symbol. In Mississippi, there have been calls from state legislatures to remove the stars and bars from the state flag. U.S. Senator Roger Wicker weighed in saying the state flag needs to be replaced.
Mississippi governor Phil Bryant on the other hand has said he doesn’t believe the state legislature will change the flag, noting that in 2001 people across the state voted to keep the current flag.
Bill Luckett is best friends with Morgan Freeman. They have several business enterprises together.
I'm born a Southerner from parents that were born in the south- honestly i once believed the rebel flag represented a sort of finger in the face of government, but i know better and i didn't learn it in school. The South had more money than the North, it had the better generals, and it basically started teh war only to lose it. The simple truth is that the South lost cuz the Southernors didn't work together. Most southernors had more wealth in their slaveholdings than in real estate and other property than slaves. So, i now know better than to think the rebel flag represented some sort of FU ot govenrment too. It represents losers, bad losers and idiots to boot. I dunno why poor people are always willing to fight for wealthy people but that's what the rebel battle flag really represents.
Selected Statistics on Slavery in the United States
(unless otherwise noted, all data is as of the 1860 census)
Total number of slaves in the Lower South : 2,312,352 (47% of total population).
Total number of slaves in the Upper South: 1,208758 (29% of total population).
Total number of slaves in the Border States: 432,586 (13% of total population).
Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. The total number of slave owners was 385,000 (including, in Louisiana, some free Negroes). As for the number of slaves owned by each master, 88% held fewer than twenty, and nearly 50% held fewer than five. (A complete table on slave-owning percentages is given at the bottom of this page.)
For comparison's sake, let it be noted that in the 1950's, only 2% of American families owned corporation stocks equal in value to the 1860 value of a single slave. Thus, slave ownership was much more widespread in the South than corporate investment was in 1950's America.
On a typical plantation (more than 20 slaves) the capital value of the slaves was greater than the capital value of the land and implements.
Slavery was profitable, although a large part of the profit was in the increased value of the slaves themselves. With only 30% of the nation's (free) population, the South had 60% of the "wealthiest men." The 1860 per capita wealth in the South was $3,978; in the North it was $2,040.
