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Posted by NR on :
 
Ferguson decision: Official account of final 90 seconds

A grand jury in Missouri has declined to indict police officer Darren Wilson in the shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown.

St Louis County's top prosecutor Bob McCulloch said the 12-strong panel, made up of nine white and three black jurors, had met on 25 separate days, hearing more than 70 hours of testimony.

He stressed that members of the jury were "the only people who heard every witness... and every piece of evidence.''*

At the same time, he suggested that not all of the witness testimony was credible, and that forensics and physical evidence were the best measures of truth.

This is a summary of those facts as stated by Mr McCulloch.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30187257

*bold is my emphasis
 
Posted by NR on :
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-photo-evidence_n_6220810.html
 
Posted by NR on :
 
http://www.latimes.com/visuals/graphics/la-na-g-ferguson-scene-htmlstory.html
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
seems to me there is a real problem with police being "overzealous" in htis country. it also seems to me that this case wasn't the one to try in the media... It is clear that Mike Brown was on some sort of mission that day and it was not a good mission.

sadly there are plenty of "bad policing "incidents that should motivate people to react (within the law) to, this just wasn't the one...

i live in an area that is majority African American and they mostly live in true poverty here. I am not seeing them demonstrate here but i believe that is because they are too afraid to even demonstrate....

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i'm on the MS side of that red stripe along the MS River where LA and Arkansas and MS meet... the cops in this area sppear to me about half white and half black.... that's just what i see on the street, i haven't see actual stats...
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
Yup Glass. This wasn't the one to riot over. The 12 year old that got killed the other day wasn't one to riot over either.

This is all sport for the news networks and the politicals that control them and in large part public "opinion".

In everyday life on the street there is no issue with race relations. Simply does not exist in the manner depicted on TV.

Of course reality has never hindered MSM when there's an agenda to push.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
none of them are "the ones" to riot over.

peaceful protests ar not riots in my book.

when i said "this case wasn't the one to try in the media" that is exactly what i meant.

there are many cases each week that need the media attention and do not get it. The cops are are not all bad but there are more than enough to say the cops have a real problem in general...

no-knock served on the wrong houses where people are killed happen about once or twice a month. there was homeless guy shot dead in New mexico that was actaully caught on camera

Albuquerque, New Mexico (CNN) -- Albuquerque police shot a homeless man in the back and killed him, and it was all caught on gruesome detail in a police video.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/20/us/albuquerque-police-investigation/

the video is very disturbing. clearly shot in the back while surrendering.

where was the protests?

Albeqerque police had shot 26 people in the last 4 years...

i can show you dozens of these....

Mike Brown will now become some sort of Martyr for civil rights and IMO he is not a verygood model for it.
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
Yup agree 100%.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Yes I agree history has picked some situations that make no sense or seem minor in our eyes that start a complete movement.

like the old saying large and earth shaking events often have small and insignificant beginnings .
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Mike Brown was a terrible and tragic event IMHO there is no excuse that it should have happened. This terrible event is fast becoming a national movement. and if that is what it takes to work on stopping this action that is taking place all over the country by law enforcement, so be it.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I dunno, I wasnt there. Some were. Why was there no tazer or stun gun? What about the good ol night stick to the temple a few times? If he did reach for the cops gun like the witness said then the situation changes.


Mike Brown did this right after a strong armed robbery so its not like he just left visiting grandma for her birthday.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
hundreds protest in London in support of U S protestors.


http://news.yahoo.com/hundreds-protest-us-embassy-london-over-ferguson-case-2130 35276.html;_ylt=AwrSbDX8WndUMWAA4bhXNyoA
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I dunno, I wasnt there. Some were. Why was there no tazer or stun gun? What about the good ol night stick to the temple a few times? If he did reach for the cops gun like the witness said then the situation changes.


Mike Brown did this right after a strong armed robbery so its not like he just left visiting grandma for her birthday.

LOL.. Shooting him didn't work the first 5 times, what would a taser do?

The cop was 100% justified in the use of deadly force and the world is better with out the idiot gentle giant.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i actaully beleive the part about the cop having his head pounded a couple times...
one hit to the head can seriously impair judgement. i've seen the effect first hand many times... you can never anticiapte how someoen will react to that. some go berserk while others just fold...
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
He got hit a couple times but nothing major. The pictures of his injuries were fairly benign. I don't think he was impaired.. He was simply doing his job. Which is good because that particular cop has been videoed being quite the ass previously.

He'll never be a cop again and Mikey will never bully anyone again. I'm ok with both.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
no he wasn't hurt by the hits but his judgement could have been "altered"... hits to teh head are not like body blows... the NFL has known that for decades..

did he empty his gun? or didd he just shoot til the guy stopped moving? I doubt he even remebers.
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
He was firing a sig P229.. No he did not empty his magazine.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
In judo we trained to be able to decide whether we wanted to put somebody on their head and neck or not when we threw them. it takes years to be able to make those decisions *as you fight*. My understanding of how law enforcement trains in shooting is shoot to kill. Training kicks in and after even a small hit to the head, training overrides rationality...

is this an excuse? nope. it's just how things really are...


maybe the fact that in this case there is not going to be criminal charges filed turns out to be a positive for the national issue of police overuse of force. The issue will not just go away. Nobody keeps stats on cop violence yet.

Wilson will not be a cop again. That could make a few cops take an extra second when they have their finger on the trigger. Hopefully it won't cost any of them their lives.

Maybe we will move toward "civilian review boards" of police actions and decisions.

maybe no-knocks will stop being issued except in cases of national security? no-knocks risk the life of everyone involved simply to collect some evidence? that's insanity. No evidence is worth the lives of cops or perps or the people around them. There's a no-knock served at the wrong address about once a week on average nation-wide as best i can tell, and people are killed in them regularly.
It's self defense shooting a cop coming thru the door unannounced when the resident has no reason to expect them....The cops are not protected in those cases.
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
Nothing short of civil war will stop no-knock warrants and all the other abuses of common decency.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
no indictment on the NYC police choke hold killing?
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
That one is more worthy of anger
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
yep, and there'll be more. This isn't going away anytime soon.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
This will most likely blow into something big. Maybe like the sixties. Only a fool could not see this coming. The police forces cannot change fast enough. No doubt there will be more of the same type of shootings or beatings by the police very shortly and the media will blow it up. If that happens then Katie bar the doors.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
This will most likely blow into something big. Maybe like the sixties. Only a fool could not see this coming. The police forces cannot change fast enough. No doubt there will be more of the same type of shootings or beatings by the police very shortly and the media will blow it up. If that happens then Katie bar the doors.

no doubt there will be more because there's already a lot that aren't being picked up by CNN and MSNBC..(forget Fox, cops are all innocnet at FOX)
there's several "watchdog sites" that scan all the news and repost them together. one is calle
Police state USA

Utah man sentenced to year in federal prison for writing ‘hateful’ letter
The Fair Housing Act makes thought crime a reality.

Posted on December 4, 2014

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/robert-keller/

many more from that site... i would say about half thier beach session articles are valid to a high standard and about a quarter are just not worth worrying about...

then you have this group calling itself PINAC Photography Is Not A Crime, they train people to get in cops faces and photo them at work while wprking and to follo hte laws closely, whihc leads to issues for sure. Cops don't like the scrutiny and i do see why they don't like it, but but guess what? They serve the public in public, thats the job- get over it or get out... whether the issues are fairly dealt with? that's pretty much case by case...

there's alos one called the peaceful streets project....

somehow i get posts from at least one of them just about every day...

as i said before Mike Brown was not a model citizen, but the numbers add up and they are adding up fast. It's also not just about race. There cases of child porn, outright stealing evidence etc etc etc ..

I will state the same overall opinion about the cops as i hold about Islamic terrroirsm, if th emajorty of Islamics who are decent take care of thier terroists? We won't have too.. If the majority decent cops take care of their bad cops for their behaviour? We won't have to.

I support strong non-violent protest. I don;t want to see vandalism and looting and burning, nothg wil change if they do that. The cops will just use that as an excuse to escalate teh confrontations, and the real violence will begin erupting rapidly...
I get notified of a questioanble incident nealry eery day, but i would say that only half of them *appear to me* to have real leagal merit evn tho most of them clealry demonstrate lack of ethics (not always illegal) and that somethng is really wrong...

To Protect and Serve- its the highes goal to attain.

[ December 05, 2014, 00:36: Message edited by: glassman ]
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
sometimes under these circumstances nothing would come of these shootings. But now these shootings could cause riots.


Los Angeles police officers shot and killed a man Friday night at a busy intersection in one of the city’s tourist hotspots while onlookers ducked into nearby stores for safety or recorded the aftermath of the incident on their phones.




Conflicting stories surrounded the shooting on Friday evening. Police sources told local reporters they were investigating an assault with a deadly weapon nearby when officers shot a man armed with a knife around 7 p.m. Friday night at the corner of Hollywood Boulevard and Highland Avenue. “When he saw the officers, he approached them and an officer-involved shooting occurred,” Detective Meghan Aguilar told KTLA. A bucket drummer who witnessed the shooting said the man put his hands in his pockets when officers “ran up on him,” drew their guns, and killed him.

“I don’t know what he had but I can say that when they told him to get down and comply, he did not at all. He had his hands outside of his pockets. When they ran up on him, he went inside of his pockets and stuck both hands inside of his pockets,” drummer Bruce Cherry told reporters. “That’s when they pulled out on him, that’s when the shots rang out.”

But no one turned up injured in connection to the alleged assault that officers were investigating, and a man said the victim was a friend of his named Cody who “liked to wave a knife to scare tourists,” according to NBC Los Angeles. Police have not yet identified the dead man.

The setting, the suddenness, and the reported provocation make Friday’s incident reminiscent of a controversial police shooting in New York City in 2013. Officers shot two bystanders in Times Square while attempting to shoot an unarmed, seemingly unstable man who was weaving through traffic in Manhattan’s high-traffic tourist mecca. They then charged the man with assault for causing the officers to shoot the bystanders.

While details of Friday’s shooting are still emerging, officers seemed to have engaged in the same rapid escalation that has been criticized in other recent shootings. In St. Louis this past August, officers shot a man holding a knife less than 20 seconds after arriving at the convenience store where he had allegedly stolen two cans of soda. While police in Los Angeles, St. Louis, and New York City have long been criticized over their deployment of lethal force, Burlington, VT officers had not fired their guns on duty in 16 years when they killed a mentally ill man last November because he was brandishing a shovel.

These clashes occupy a different category of police violence from the killings of unarmed black men that have sparked mass street protest around the country in recent months, such as the barehanded killing of Eric Garner by New York police who applied a prohibited chokehold while the 43-year-old said “I can’t breathe” repeatedly. Protests have also been inflamed by twelve-year-old Tamir Rice, who Cleveland police shot and killed for playing with a toy gun. The officers killed Rice so soon after getting to the scene that the driver of the car wasn’t even out of his cruiser yet. Officer Timothy Loehmann’s record of handling his weapon was so poor that a previous department had forced him to step down.

Los Angeles police are also under scrutiny as the public awaits the release of autopsy results in the LAPD killing of Ezell Ford, an unarmed man who eyewitnesses say was laying on the ground when officers shot him this past summer. Ford was killed two days after officers in Ferguson, MO shot unarmed teenager Michael Brown.

In each case, trained officers escalated the situation, and killed someone who might have been subdued another way. Police killings are notoriously difficult to track and analyze systematically because hundreds of them never get reported to official crime and violence databases maintained by the federal government.

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