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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Well it seems like Putin is executing his plan. Waiting for the Olympics to end before rushing into Ukraine. This administration is telling Putin to stop? Oh my how scary. Just like Syria.

Personally I dont think we should go over there and do anything. Let Europe deal with it. Its when Obama started talking tough on the matter than he put himself right in the middle.

A Judo and Karate black belt KGB counter intelligence officer VS a community organizer who received votes for office solely on his skin color. Putin is increasing the size and spending of his military, and Obama is cutting his down.

We need a Reagan to deal with this kind of Russia. Whats Obama going to do? Use the IRS to heckle the russians? Blame the situation on a 6 month old youtube video that nobody has ever heard of? Tell the Russians they have to change their diets in their cafeterias?


Gee wiz, I am sure glad Obama got that Nobel Peace Price. He sure earned it.

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Posted by Pagan on :
 
OMG...you are so retarded! ROFLMAO! Please tell everyone EXACTLY what Obama...or even a GOP Prez is supposed to do in the current situation? You are such a raging drip! And why don't you back off the racist BS...dude...he is already Prez...you and your Skinhead bros are just out of luck for now. Get over it.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
They arent supposed to do ANYTHING Pagan. Thats why I dont get why Obama and Biden have been telling Putin to get out or else.

There was nothing racial about it pagan. You didnt even read what I wrote or you would have seen that I dont think we should be doing anything.


Obama warns Russia against Ukraine intervention, says 'there will be costs'
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
They arent supposed to do ANYTHING Pagan. Thats why I dont get why Obama and Biden have been telling Putin to get out or else.

There was nothing racial about it pagan. You didnt even read what I wrote or you would have seen that I dont think we should be doing anything.

Ok Nubskull..did you write the following or not? "a community organizer who received votes for office solely on his skin color." Did someone hack you and write that? NO dumbass....you wrote that.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Uh, you mean to tell me that there were no people that voted for him just because he was black? You sir, are the idiot if you think that is just a non fact. Go look up on youtube all the videos of people going to polling stations and asking them why they are voting for Obama. They know nothing on the issues. Is it everyone? No. A lot? You bet.

So the African American voter turnout in 2008 compared to earlier election years was for what then?


Pagan, why are you such the typical liberal? Always angry, foul language, gutter conversation and comments. Why are you the way that you are?
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Samuel L. Jackson: I Voted For Obama 'Because He Was Black'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/12/samuel-l-jackson-obama-vote-black_n_127 1797.html


This is just one example, pretty well known person too. You really just took one neutral comment and spun it the way you know best....turning it into racism and then name calling like an immature child. Look at your posts. Go re-read them. Are you in junior high?
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg&feature=youtu.be
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
We need a Reagan to deal with this kind of Russia.

caschow moo...

pagan is correct this time.


Reagans response to the marine barracks bombing in Beirut lebanon is what you are asking for. look it up...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

he retreated.

Reagan didn't do anything to defeat the USSR. In fact? The USSR collapsed under it's own incompetent weight. Think Afghan war and chernobyl style managemtn... not US (esp. NOT reaganesque) pressure...

The Chernobyl disaster (Ukrainian: Чорнобильсь 082;а катастрофа, Chornobylska Katastrofa – Chornobyl Catastrophe) was a catastrophic nuclear accident that occurred on 26 April 1986 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine (then officially the Ukrainian SSR), which was under the direct jurisdiction of the central authorities of the Soviet Union. An explosion and fire released large quantities of radioactive particles into the atmosphere, which spread over much of the western USSR and Europe.

as to what Obama should do in response? i suggest that Putin may in fact be stopping a full-blown blood bath of revolution and obama has to shake his spear apropriately...

I am no Russophile and i like Putin even less than most world leaders, but the way you "conservative nuts" encourage revolutions in other countries is downright appalling.

I am reminded how Bush sr responded to the Kurds being massacred by Saddam... he didn't know why? cuz it ain't worht our children's blood.

you are stuck in some sort of religio-conservaitve mindwarp cash... you don;t even know the history of the GOP. Nixon pulled US out of the Nam... Historically, GOP's do not do what you think you want them to do
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Cash you hate Obama so much you are willing to side with Putin than your own county. You are sick.

Obama is smarter than Putin and will out wit the inbred all over the world.
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Just remember one thing gentleman. Iraq, Afghanistan,Vietnam etc. are not Russia or China.

You better be very carefull how you pick your fights, because these two countries(Russia,China) can send us all to a higher or lower place, depending how naughty or nice you have been.
And i am not talking about the North Pole, at least not the north pole where Santa is.


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Posted by glassman on :
 
just to put this into proper perspective-

By midnight last Friday, Russian soldiers controlled the main roads, airports and communications centres. For good measure, they were also masters of the television station. Crucially, they had sealed off the only two highways linking the Crimean peninsula with the mainland. Yesterday, they went a step further and blockaded Ukraine’s own armed forces inside their bases; the new commander of Ukraine’s navy also defected, declaring his loyalty to “the autonomous republic of Crimea.”

This smoothly executed operation allowed Russia to seize control of more than 10,000 square miles of Ukraine’s territory, all without firing a shot. Did it amount to an “invasion,” as the new government in Kyiv was quick to claim? Well, no Russian tanks or armoured personnel carriers rolled across an international frontier. The troops used in the operation were mainly based in Crimea anyway, since it leases the port of Sebastopol for its Black Sea Fleet, under an agreement that allows the deployment of up to 25,000 military personnel.
Invasion or not, the operation encountered no resistance – and appears to have enjoyed significant popular support. Many Russian-speakers, who comprise almost 60% of Crimea’s population, welcomed the protective embrace of Vladimir Putin’s forces.


the Crimea is prolly the most important strategic base in the region...

It is not even in the US's best interest for it to be "in play".
Ukraine is a failed state.
The real lesson here is for those of you who work against your own governments for PETTY reasons. That's how you BECOME a failed state. take heed. revolutions almost never turn out with a happy ending.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
just to put this into proper perspective-

By midnight last Friday, Russian soldiers controlled the main roads, airports and communications centres. For good measure, they were also masters of the television station. Crucially, they had sealed off the only two highways linking the Crimean peninsula with the mainland. Yesterday, they went a step further and blockaded Ukraine’s own armed forces inside their bases; the new commander of Ukraine’s navy also defected, declaring his loyalty to “the autonomous republic of Crimea.”

This smoothly executed operation allowed Russia to seize control of more than 10,000 square miles of Ukraine’s territory, all without firing a shot. Did it amount to an “invasion,” as the new government in Kyiv was quick to claim? Well, no Russian tanks or armoured personnel carriers rolled across an international frontier. The troops used in the operation were mainly based in Crimea anyway, since it leases the port of Sebastopol for its Black Sea Fleet, under an agreement that allows the deployment of up to 25,000 military personnel.
Invasion or not, the operation encountered no resistance – and appears to have enjoyed significant popular support. Many Russian-speakers, who comprise almost 60% of Crimea’s population, welcomed the protective embrace of Vladimir Putin’s forces.


the Crimea is prolly the most important strategic base in the region...

It is not even in the US's best interest for it to be "in play".
Ukraine is a failed state.
The real lesson here is for those of you who work against your own governments for PETTY reasons. That's how you BECOME a failed state. take heed. revolutions almost never turn out with a happy ending.

Yea..it's a failed state for very particular reasons. And from what I have read, and that is from from the news, the President was robbing the country blind. Which ib turn will lead to a failed state. Funny how the Ukraine prez immediately absconded and ran to Putin. Do ya think Putin was gettin a few of those Billions that the Ukraine prez stole? It looks like it to me.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
it's pretty clear that Russia is not a real democracy. Putin pretty much does whatever he wants.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
it's pretty clear that Russia is not a real democracy. Putin pretty much does whatever he wants.

Yes..he(Putin) is quite clearly an Autocrat. But what surprises me, mainly that the media has not said a peep about it, is that he seems to be tryin to rebuild the Soviet Union thru force. Any opportunity that arises, he jumps at it to add territory thru the military. And that is scary! One wrong step...and all HELL will break loose IMO.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i have no direct experience with Russia or Russians, other than reading several Russina Classics (Dostoyevski, Tolstoy, Solzhenitsyn) which were all depressing as hell. My tak eon Russina culture is thatthey accept and possibly even like being run by tyrants....
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
Wow....you read those. That is awesome, but back to what we were discussing. He(Putin) seems to be intent on re-constituting the USSR. I mean, that is my impression from him. And obviously, there is little the US can do. No matter who is Prez(much to CCM's chagrin). Now if NATO gets involved...OH **** for everybody!
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
Btw...I did read Solzhenitsyn when I was a kid. it was required reading at the school I attended.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
well yeah, i read alot of russian lit. it is all depressing to me. i don't think Putin is trying to resurrect the Commie state. Russia has produced one tyrant after another. their royal family was tyrannical too.. then they had one power freak after another murdering each other. it stabilised for a few years during the cold war.

Putin is just being Russian. taking over the Crimean Penninsula is looking out for his own interests, i beleive the USA would do it given the same set of circumstances.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
take Cuba. i belive we screwed up bad not taking castro out immediately, and i bet most Americans would agree with me. i think that is similar to this situation in the Ukraine.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
We need a Reagan to deal with this kind of Russia.

caschow moo...

pagan is correct this time.


Reagans response to the marine barracks bombing in Beirut lebanon is what you are asking for. look it up...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

he retreated.

Reagan didn't do anything to defeat the USSR. In fact? The USSR collapsed under it's own incompetent weight. Think Afghan war and chernobyl style managemtn... not US (esp. NOT reaganesque) pressure...

The Chernobyl disaster (Ukrainian: Чорнобильсь 082;а катастрофа, Chornobylska Katastrofa – Chornobyl Catastrophe) was a catastrophic nuclear accident that occurred on 26 April 1986 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine (then officially the Ukrainian SSR), which was under the direct jurisdiction of the central authorities of the Soviet Union. An explosion and fire released large quantities of radioactive particles into the atmosphere, which spread over much of the western USSR and Europe.

as to what Obama should do in response? i suggest that Putin may in fact be stopping a full-blown blood bath of revolution and obama has to shake his spear apropriately...

I am no Russophile and i like Putin even less than most world leaders, but the way you "conservative nuts" encourage revolutions in other countries is downright appalling.

I am reminded how Bush sr responded to the Kurds being massacred by Saddam... he didn't know why? cuz it ain't worht our children's blood.

you are stuck in some sort of religio-conservaitve mindwarp cash... you don;t even know the history of the GOP. Nixon pulled US out of the Nam... Historically, GOP's do not do what you think you want them to do

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR AGAIN.

I do not want Obama to do anything. I ask...why was he making threats over the weekend? The administration saying Russia better pull back or else. Ok, or else what? Why was Obama so eager to strike in Syria and help insurgents.

He should sit back and let Europe decide the outcome we have enough problems.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
well yeah, i read alot of russian lit. it is all depressing to me. i don't think Putin is trying to resurrect the Commie state. Russia has produced one tyrant after another. their royal family was tyrannical too.. then they had one power freak after another murdering each other. it stabilised for a few years during the cold war.

Putin is just being Russian. taking over the Crimean Penninsula is looking out for his own interests, i beleive the USA would do it given the same set of circumstances.

Its really hard for the US to tell Russia that they went in to Crimea illegally compared to our approach to Iraq. Plus it seems the people of eastern Ukraine are pretty much Russians anyway and they took over with no shots fired.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
why was he making threats over the weekend

pretty much because that's his job, just as you see it as your job to critisize everything he does... duh!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
seriuosly caschow, you are th eone who came on with the picture of obama over putin's knee.

Putin would take more if he doesn't hear some saber-rattling about it. But the last thing we want is Ukraine to turn itno another Syria or Chechnia right? so they go thru the kubuki dance.

look carefully a tthe map Crimea is almost an island...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Crimea/@45.3078005,34.5630057,8z/data=!3m1!4b1 !4m2!3m1!1s0x40ea51e9edc7fa91:0xf6b10a07a2689492
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I looked at maps of Crimea last weekend. Yes glass I did put that picture because thats what the reality is. Putin is the shotcaller now. Doesnt mean forever, but who is stopping him? Right now he is sending MORE troops in. They have air power, naval, infantry, armor, and mobile artillery units in Crimea.


Wonder what China has in mind for those disputed islands and Taiwan?

Before Obama the world had a bad opinion of us. Then Obama comes in and takes what Bush does and amplifies it. Spying on all our allies and leaders. Super spying. I wonder what Obama would do if he found out that Germany had tapped his cell phone and was recording everything.
 
Posted by NR on :
 
Anatoliy Golitsyn.... Where are you? I'd love to hear your "2 cents" on the current Ukrainian situation.

Unfortunately, he has to stay in hiding or he will end up like Alexander Litvinenko.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
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Posted by raybond on :
 
CREDIT: White House

As a tense situation continued to unfold in Ukraine on Sunday, the major Sunday talk shows brought on Secretary of State John Kerry, as well as other government officials, to discuss whether there should be any U.S. involvement here over Russia’s decision to send troops into the semi-autonomous region of Crimea and, if so, what that could look like.

While ThinkProgress on Saturday laid out five potential non-war options that the U.S. could seek to deal with the situation, more options — some fairly contentious — arose as a result of discussions on the Sunday shows.

Here’s a look at the ideas that U.S. government officials from both sides of the aisle are entertaining to deal with the situation in Ukraine:

1. Removing Russia from the G-8, taking the next G-8 meeting out of Sochi

Secretary of State John Kerry: “[Putin] is not going to have a Sochi G-8. He may not even remain in the G-8 if this continues.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): “How about this — suspend Russian membership in the G-8 and the G-20 at least for a year starting right now. For every day that they stay in Crimea, add to the suspension.”

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL): “This notion of taking him out of the G-8 has already been suggested by the administration. And I think it is the right thing do.”

2. Expanding and strengthening NATO

Sen. Graham: “Let’s accelerate Georgia’s admission into NATO. Moldova is under siege by Russia. let’s help Moldova. Let’s protect from a rogue missile attack coming out of the middle east. If i were President Obama, I would reengage Poland and the Czech Republic regarding missile defense. I would add Georgia to NATO. I’d have a larger military presence in the Balkans to NATO members who are threatened by Russia. I would fly the NATO flag as strongly as i could around Putin.”

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL): “I am saying however that our NATO alliance needs to be reinvigorated, is an important alliance. Countries that neighbor Ukraine, for example, Poland and others who had part of that alliance I think we need to be providing them assurances of the importance of this alliance, including perhaps — in fact I think we should revisit the missile missile defense shield we talked about so often.”

3. Freezing business with Russia, blocking Russian visas

Sec. Kerry: “There could even be ultimately asset freezes, visa bans, there could be certainly disruption of any of the normal trade routine. Snd there could be business drawback on investment in the country…. [Putin] may find himself with asset freezes on Russian business, American business may pull back. There may be a further tumble of the Ruble. There’s a huge price to pay.”

Sen. Rubio: “Any and all discussions and negotiations with Moscow on any issue unrelated to this crisis, including trade and other matters, should be immediately suspended…. the Obama administration should immediately add more Russian officials to the Magnitsky list, which places travel bans and other sanctions on them – something President Obama failed to do in December. Living in Miami, I have seen in recent years the wave of Russian tourists coming to our city and state to spend money and buy property. Many are government officials or allies whose wealth stems from allegiance to Putin, and we should limit their ability to travel here.”

4. Helping Ukraine Secure Funding

Sen. Durbin: “What Congress has to do, what the Senate should do quickly is a resolution condemning what Putin has done and second, saying that if Ukraine will stand up for real reform, that we’re going to back them through the IMF, and making it clear to our allies in NATO that that alliance is strong.”

Sec. Kerry: “We would call on Congress immediately to the degree that they are prepared to be helpful, that they immediately lay down with us an economic package in order to assist Ukraine.”

5. Bolstering the missile defense of Ukraine

Sen. Rubio: “I would say that as part of strengthening and stabilizing the government in Kiev now, so that they can transition to stability down the road as well, I think part of that should be strengthening their defense capabilities. Because I think this threat is a long term one that they’re facing.”
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
more histroical perspective:

"Crimea became part of Ukraine only in 1954," he said. "Crimea was historically part of Russia, and (Nikita) Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in a gesture that mystified some people."

Ignatius was correct in saying that Ukraine has only controlled the Crimean Peninsula since 1954 -- a claim we also heard from U.S. Rep. Mike Roger, R-Mich., on Fox News Sunday. Not up on your Soviet history? We’ll review the facts.

Crimea is an eastern Ukrainian peninsula located on the Black Sea. It’s connected to the rest of the country by a small strip of land. Out of its 2 million residents, about 60 percent identify as Russian. That’s the highest concentration of Russian speakers in Ukraine. Although the territory belongs to Ukraine, Russia stations part of its Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol as part of a pre-existing agreement between the two countries.

As Ignatius pointed out, Crimea hasn’t always been part of Ukraine. Here’s a quick rundown of what’s happened in the region since the Ottoman Empire used the peninsula as a hub for slave trade.

1783: Russia annexed Crimea.

1853: The Crimean War began, lasting three years. Russia lost to an alliance of the Ottoman Empire, France, Britain and Sardinia. Crimea remained part of Russia.

1917: Crimea briefly became a sovereign state before becoming a base for the White Army of anti-Bolshevik forces in the Russian War.

1921: The peninsula, now called the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, became part of the Soviet Union.

1942: Nazi Germany took control of Crimea.

1944: Joesph Stalin forcibly deported all Muslim Tatars, a group of 300,000 who had lived on the peninsula for centuries, due to members’ alleged cooperation with Germany during World War II. Many returned to Crimea in the 1980s and 1990s.

1945: After World War II, the autonomous Soviet republic was dissolved and Crimea became a province of the Soviet Union called the Crimean Oblast.

1954: Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev transferred the Crimean Oblast to Ukraine. It’s often reported that it was a gesture of goodwill from Khrushchev, who had Ukrainian roots.

1991: The Soviet Union collapsed. Many expected President Boris Yeltsin, the new president of the Russian Federation, to take Crimea for Russia. But he didn’t bring it up during negotiations with Ukraine.

1997: Ukraine and Russia signed a treaty that allowed Russia to keep its fleet in Sevastopol. The agreement’s since been extended, so the fleet is set to remain there until at least 2042.

As for Ignatius’ claim that Khrushchev’s decision to give Crimea to Ukraine in 1954, we found literature to support that. Slate’s Joshua Keating offered up possible reasons for the land transfer, including the 300th anniversary of Ukraine’s merger with tsarist Russia and Khrushchev’s ties to Ukraine.


seems to me that Russian Lit is so depressing cuz most of their history is too [Wink]
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Don't forget the charge of the light brigade.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
the rhetoric is very thick now. Putin says he isn't sending troops at all.. i suppose that is to be expected from a guy who completely control his countries media...

it may just be a translation issue. i wonder if anybody wants to raise taxes now so we can actually do something to kick Russia back out?

no? i didn't think so...
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
You can always pull a bush and slam your war on the credit card then blame the budget mess on the poor.
 
Posted by NR on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
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Laugh all you want CCM, and feel free to crack any jokes you like about paranoia, Tin Foil, Cold Warriors, The Simpsons or Red Dawn, (which BTW was directed by a prominent NRA board member, and don't bother with the remake, it's total crap), the fact remains that Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the collapse of the USSR, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the re-unification of Germany before they happened, events which, according the the history books, caught Western Intelligence completely by surprise, even though the CIA was receiving regular information from Golitsyn up until the mid-nineties when he went into hiding.

Regardless of whether or not his original premise was correct, (that the USSR collapsed intentionally to lure the West and Europe into a false sense of security), that is exactly what has happened.

I don't imagine for one minute that had the United States, NATO, and it's allies remained at the strength they were at the "end" of the cold-war that we would be begging Putin to leave Ukraine like we are today.

BTW, just a side note, Golitsyn (in addition to Russian defector Peter Deriabin), also claimed that Yuri Nosenko, the Russian defector who claimed he was Oswald's handler, and that Russia had nothing to do with the JFK assassination, was a KGB plant. The CIA believe Nosenko, even thought he was caught in several lies, and his "Bona Fides" were never established.

"The failure of US Policymakers to comprehend the veiled aggressiveness and hostility towards the United States inherent in Sino-Russian strategy and the belief that the political and economic reforms in Russia and the partial introduction of capitalism in China have foreshadowed these countries' development into real democracies, have eroded the effectiveness of US policies in the foreign affairs, defense, intelligence and counter-intelligence fields. US Policymakers have recklessly accepted the premise the Russia and China are no longer their enemies, but are rather potential allies and partners fully deserving of US support. Only countries like Iran, Iraq and North Korea - which (ironically, in this context) work secretly with Russia and China - are still considered potential adversaries." - Anatoliy Golitsyn 1993
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
So what is the suggestion from all of you? That we go to war ! You know we will go it alone on this one.

Europe buys to much of its energy from Russia, Take Germany it buys 38% of it natural gas from Russia. Why would they want destroy there economies over a problem that is not there concern?

Who in America in there right mind wants a war with Russia? Saber rattling can be very dangerous.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
I wanted to ask what the movie Red Dawn has to do with anything? It was a stupid movie.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
this is the kind of stuff that can get everybody in trouble


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Raw: Shooting Incident at Airbase in Ukraine


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BELBEK, Crimea - A column of unarmed Ukrainian troops marched up a hill today under a World War II banner to demand that they be allowed back on their airfield, seized several days ago by Russian forces.


The Russians fired warning shots in the air, the beginning of a tense, four-hour standoff that ultimately ended with the Ukrainian troops' being denied access to the airfield and returning to their nearby base.

“We wanted to take [the troops up there] so the whole world can see what the Russians are like,” a top officer of the unit, Chief of Staff Viktor Kuharenko, told ABC News.

He said the group, numbering around 300, was met by about 25 Russian men with light weapons.

Scenes from Russia's Showdown With Ukraine

The two sides negotiated for hours, with the Ukrainians asking to resume their responsibilities at the airfield.


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Kerry in Kiev to Try to Deescalate Ukraine Crisis
Russian forces have demanded the surrender of Ukrainian military bases across Crimea and have taken several of them. The Belbek base, next to the airstrip, is still held by Ukrainian forces that have refused to lay down their weapons.

“The two brotherly nations cannot be head-against-head, and I hope we’ll come to an agreement very soon,” Ukrainian base commander Col. Yuli Mamchur said.

He also said he received an ominous text message with a threat to “make the right decision.” He declined to say who it was from.

“We will continue our service here in a little more tense situation but we are used to it and it’s our duty,” one officer who took part in the standoff said, adding that they returned to the base when “the commander decided we should go back for lunch.”

Following the standoff, the troops returned to applause from fellow soldiers and their wives.

The showdown occurred as President Vladimir Putin spoke about the situation in Ukraine, arguing that Russia has the right to use force there
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
"trouble" yeah...

the Ukrainian soldiers were probably hoping to get their aszes shot off on TV for the whole world to see and the Russkies didn't bite...

remebr that was how they got rid of their president last week... the mass media loves martyrs.

i have never assumed the Russians are dumber than US... they just tried to run a commie system when their hearts weren't really commie. The Chinese? I am pretty sure they really are commies and their "game" is to play US by selling US the rope we'll hang ourselves with (on credit no less)...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
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Posted by NR on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
So what is the suggestion from all of you? That we go to war ! You know we will go it alone on this one.

Europe buys to much of its energy from Russia, Take Germany it buys 38% of it natural gas from Russia. Why would they want destroy there economies over a problem that is not there concern?

Who in America in there right mind wants a war with Russia? Saber rattling can be very dangerous.

Yes Ray, I am advocating a full scale thermo-nuclear response. [Roll Eyes]

All I'm advocating is that we pull our heads out of our @$$ and realize that Russia and China are anything but our friends, and act accordingly when something is in our best interest and they oppose us. We should stop pretending that Russia and China are going to help us when we are forced to deal with their two-bit cronie states like NK, Syria or Iran. These regimes are supported by the likes of Putin. We should strengthen NATO, and build our missile shield, and tell Russia and China to go pound sand.

The only thing that thugs like Putin respect is strength, and right now, to him, we are simply a paper tiger. If we show a weak hand in Ukraine, this will only be the beginning.
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Originally Posted By NR:

Yes Ray, I am advocating a full scale thermo-nuclear response.

All I'm advocating is that we pull our heads out of our @$$ and realize that Russia and China are anything but our friends, and act accordingly when something is in our best interest and they oppose us. We should stop pretending that Russia and China are going to help us when we are forced to deal with their two-bit cronie states like NK, Syria or Iran. These regimes are supported by the likes of Putin. We should strengthen NATO, and build our missile shield, and tell Russia and China to go pound sand.

The only thing that thugs like Putin respect is strength, and right now, to him, we are simply a paper tiger. If we show a weak hand in Ukraine, this will only be the beginning.
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I don't think anyone here has ever thought that Russia or China were are friends, at least not the government.
I would never trust Nato to have our backs, no matter how much we strengthen are ties.

The only countries we can really count on for anything would be, England, Australia, Canada,Isreal, there must be a few others i am leaving out. But bottom line is that when the stuff starts, many Nato allies will be nowhere to be found.

I don't think anything is much different today as far as Russia and China are concerned.
If anything, i think we have much better relations with them, then we did back in the 60's 70's.
Is it really in our best interest to get involved with this?
We have found out the hard way that we cannot be the protectors of the world. These countries need to do there own fighting, and we slip them the amo they need if there really willing to fight for their freedom. I am sure that the amo is already sliding through.
The Russians and Chinese did this in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries, as we have also done for other countries.

We have to many wounded and dead soldiers in this country, from us being the protector of the world. We also have a history with Nato countries and how they jump in full force with us, when we decide in invade.

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Posted by raybond on :
 
I myself don't think anybody in government thinks that Russia and China are our friends. And I don't think our government will back down or our military. They are just made of better stuff.

However we will need a lot more man power if we take on both Russia and China, and that is where you will see our resolve. The call will go out and there is no pearl harbor.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
this is what has been bothering me with China for over a decade now...

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian lawmakers are working on a draft law to allow the confiscation of property, assets and accounts of European or U.S. companies if sanctions are imposed on Russia over Ukraine, RIA news agency said on Wednesday.

RIA quoted Andrei Klishas, head of the constitutional legislation committee in the upper parliament house, as saying the bill "would offer the president and government opportunities

to defend our sovereignty from threats".

He added that lawyers were examining whether the confiscation of foreign companies' assets, property and accounts would comply with the Russian constitution but said such steps would "clearly be in line with European standards"


When, (not if) the first move is made to confiscate "foreign assets" there will be major domino effect and the US has sunk too much of it's assets overseas in the last 25 years in search of "cheap labor".

there is always a price to pay, the real question is where you will pay it, not if but when and where. by "taking' all of these short term profits overseas for the last 25 years the USA has given away too much of it's real strength.

all this chatter on the media outlets about how we have to "do soemthing" to save the Ukrainians is crazy IMO. we have to take care of ourselves first, only then can we begin to think about "helping" all of the other people. the stupidest part is that they mostly don't really want our help, but the media and the politicians don't care about that.
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Originally Posted By Glassman:

all this chatter on the media outlets about how we have to "do soemthing" to save the Ukrainians is crazy IMO. we have to take care of ourselves first, only then can we begin to think about "helping" all of the other people. the stupidest part is that they mostly don't really want our help, but the media and the politicians don't care about that.
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Exactly!
Politicians and media suck us in to benefit themselves.
Big oil many times has a lot to do with it.
I'm tired of us sacrificing of nations lives for one conflict after another, and we the people have to quite getting sucked in to the same game, just a little different twist.

We get into Iraq, then proceed on to Afghanistan, leaving troops in both places.Then without even getting out of both countries completely, were suppose to start waving the sword again.
Not in my opinion, unless everyone waving the sword is on point when we enter.

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Posted by raybond on :
 
I have always said let those that yell and cheer for war get off there hind sides and lead the charge.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
and China? they won't "pass a law" when they confiscate foreign assets- they'll just do it.

the only leverage we have against that is our DEBT to them which is a national disgrace.
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Originally Posted By Glassman:

and China? they won't "pass a law" when they confiscate foreign assets- they'll just do it.

the only leverage we have against that is our DEBT to them which is a national disgrace.
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That's a lot of leverage.

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Posted by raybond on :
 
China pass a law! That's a good one they look at us and laugh.

Anyway we will teach them a thing or two if we go to war. They will learn not to mess with in and out burger. We can ruin there health and call ourselves the victor a hundred years later.
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Remember RayBond i think In and Out is only in Ca.
Not every state is lucky enough to have a good burger chain.

Of course my grandson would differ from my opinion, Mcdonalds would be his top of the list right along with Usain Bolt, the 100 meter gold champion.

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
I wanted to ask what the movie Red Dawn has to do with anything? It was a stupid movie.

Dude, that movie was awesome for the 80s. Kinda B-ish, but still
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Putin still winning.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Putin still winning.

And you are still losing you traitorous POS. You should go nuthug Putin...oh that's right...you already are! You are filth. Simple as that. Disgusting that you ever allegedly ever served in the military. You are disgusting and sick minded. Renounce your citizenship and move to Russia where you can nuthug Putin even closer. You sir are a worthless piece of trash with those comments.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Putin still winning.

And you are still losing you traitorous POS. You should go nuthug Putin...oh that's right...you already are! You are filth. Simple as that. Disgusting that you ever allegedly ever served in the military. You are disgusting and sick minded. Renounce your citizenship and move to Russia where you can nuthug Putin even closer. You sir are a worthless piece of trash with those comments.
Your vocabulary is severely limited and so is your mind. That response is typical though. You seem to think I support Putin, but I do not. You WANT me to though, I can tell. You just cant stand the fact that the world see's us even weaker after this. Your dear leader with his hands tied, and Putin gives him no respect.

Dont be mad at me because in this situation, Putin IS winning. As much as you want me to think that I want some kind of war to break out, I do not. In fact, you and others put words in my mouth soley for the sake of trying to beef up your side of a debate. Its a weak tactic. Like pulling the race card on anyone who does not see the world in your lens.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Putin still winning.

And you are still losing you traitorous POS. You should go nuthug Putin...oh that's right...you already are! You are filth. Simple as that. Disgusting that you ever allegedly ever served in the military. You are disgusting and sick minded. Renounce your citizenship and move to Russia where you can nuthug Putin even closer. You sir are a worthless piece of trash with those comments.
Your vocabulary is severely limited and so is your mind. That response is typical though. You seem to think I support Putin, but I do not. You WANT me to though, I can tell. You just cant stand the fact that the world see's us even weaker after this. Your dear leader with his hands tied, and Putin gives him no respect.

Dont be mad at me because in this situation, Putin IS winning. As much as you want me to think that I want some kind of war to break out, I do not. In fact, you and others put words in my mouth soley for the sake of trying to beef up your side of a debate. Its a weak tactic. Like pulling the race card on anyone who does not see the world in your lens.

cash, you make it quite clear that you want Obama to fail and that anything he does (or doesn't do) is somehow a failed move.
This is th mind-set that leads to 'failed state' and revolutions where third parties march in and do as they please a la Putin.

i brought this up early on in this thread. when American Citizens and even political parties make it their only goal to see our president "be a failure" they are insuring the Failure of the State.


The irrationality and lack of ability to sense the danger to themselves as they pursue these types of goals is the very essence of insanity.

'red dawn' was fiction. we as a nation might very well make it impossible for any foreign occupation BUT we will not enjoy a decent economic environment while doing so...

i am now listening to our lawmakers try to make this whole mess into an excuse to try to sell liquid natgas on the european market. This idea is evn crazier. you can't ship LNG to compete pricewise for piped natgas. i thnk we have a severe mental retardation problem in the US and it's called politics.
 
Posted by buckstalker on :
 
The politicians aren't retarded glass...they are "owned"

We are retarded for continuing to believe that ANY of them are representing us...
 
Posted by buckstalker on :
 
The politicians aren't retarded glass...they are "owned"

We are retarded for continuing to believe that ANY of them are representing us...
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Putin’s quiet Latin America play


Away from the conflict in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin is quietly seeking a foothold in Latin America, military officials warn.

To the alarm of lawmakers and Pentagon officials, Putin has begun sending navy ships and long-range bombers to the region for the first time in years.


Russia’s defense minister says the country is planning bases in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, and just last week, Putin’s national security team met to discuss increasing military ties in the region.
“They’re on the march,” Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) said at a Senate hearing earlier this month. “They’re working the scenes where we can’t work. And they’re doing a pretty good job.”

Gen. James Kelly, commander of U.S. Southern Command said there has been a “noticeable uptick in Russian power projection and security force personnel” in Latin America.

“It has been over three decades since we last saw this type of high-profile Russian military presence,” Kelly said at the March 13 hearing.

The U.S. military says it has been forced to cut back on its engagement with military and government officials in Latin America due to budget cuts. Kelly said the U.S. military had to cancel more than 200 effective engagement activities and multi-lateral exercises in Latin America last year.

With the American presence waning, officials say rivals such as Russia, China and Iran are quickly filling the void.

Iran has opened up 11 additional embassies and 33 cultural centers in Latin America while supporting the "operational presence" of militant group Lebanese Hezbollah in the region.

“On the military side, I believe they're establishing, if you will, lily pads for future use if they needed to use them,” Kelly said.

China is making a play for Latin America a well, and is now the fastest growing investor in the region, according to experts. Although their activity is mostly economic, they are also increasing military activity through educational exchanges.

The Chinese Navy conducted a goodwill visit in Brazil, Chile and Argentina last year and conducted its first-ever naval exercise with the Argentine Navy.

Meanwhile, the U.S. had to cancel the deployment of its hospital ship USNS Comfort last year.

“Our relationships, our leadership, and our influence in the Western Hemisphere are paying the price,” Kelly said.

Some experts warn against being too alarmist, and say Russia, China and Iran do not have the ability or desire to project military power beyond their borders.

Army War College adjunct professor Gabriel Marcella said Russia's maneuvering is more about posturing than a real threat.

"Latin America is seen as an opportunity to challenge the United States in terms of global presence," he said. "They want to show the flag to assert their presence and say they need to be counted on the world stage."

Other experts said the encroachment of rivals has huge economic implications for the U.S., which has more trade partners in Latin America than in any other region in the world.

“[Russia’s presence] serves to destabilize what has become a more stabilized, middle class continent with an increasing respect for the rule of law. ... Any type of unsettling of that environment will scare off investors,” said Jason Marczak, deputy director at the Atlantic Council’s Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center.

“Market economies and democracies are fundamental for trade, for jobs, and for stable investment environments," he said.

Marczak noted the instability in Venezuela, which is facing civil unrest from anti-government protestors.

“In Venezuela, a lot of the money that’s been able to prop up President Chavez and now Maduro has been Chinese money,” Kelly said.

So far, 31 protestors have been killed in clashes with government security forces.

“I see a real degradation in what used to pass as Venezuelan democracy. There's less and less of that now,” Kelly said.

And while Chinese investment in Latin America could have positive aspects for the region, it could also make it more difficult for U.S. official to push labor and environmental safeguards that it argues are building blocks for democracy, Marczak said.

Angel Rabasa, a senior political scientist at RAND, said cuts to the defense budget are going to accelerate a long trend of U.S. neglect and disengagement with Latin America.

According to Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), there are 10 countries in Latin America that currently have no U.S. ambassador because they either haven’t been nominated yet or confirmed, a sign that the region is seen as a low priority.

“We will be losing the ability to influence developments in a region that is very important to us because of proximity,” Rabasa said.


http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-strategy/201305-putins-quiet-play-fo r-latin-america
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
this is what has me more concerned, remeber that zerohedge is a "specualtive" information provider. i donot agree with all of their conclusin in this article, but i do see the basic premise leading to consequences we will have a hard tim edealing with.

the idea that we can ship LNG to europe and compete with piped natgas from putin is ludicrous, yet that is exaclty waht some US politicians have been suggesting...


Petrodollar Alert: Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China
Tyler Durden's picture
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/21/2014 09:41 -0400





If it was the intent of the West to bring Russia and China together - one a natural resource (if "somewhat" corrupt) superpower and the other a fixed capital / labor output (if "somewhat" capital misallocating and credit bubbleicious) powerhouse - in the process marginalizing the dollar and encouraging Ruble and Renminbi bilateral trade, then things are surely "going according to plan."

For now there have been no major developments as a result of the shift in the geopolitical axis that has seen global US influence, away from the Group of 7 (most insolvent nations) of course, decline precipitously in the aftermath of the bungled Syrian intervention attempt and the bloodless Russian annexation of Crimea, but that will soon change. Because while the west is focused on day to day developments in Ukraine, and how to halt Russian expansion through appeasement (hardly a winning tactic as events in the 1930s demonstrated), Russia is once again thinking 3 steps ahead... and quite a few steps east.

While Europe is furiously scrambling to find alternative sources of energy should Gazprom pull the plug on natgas exports to Germany and Europe (the imminent surge in Ukraine gas prices by 40% is probably the best indication of what the outcome would be), Russia is preparing the announcement of the "Holy Grail" energy deal with none other than China, a move which would send geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis. One which, as some especially on these pages, have suggested would lay the groundwork for a new joint, commodity-backed reserve currency that bypasses the dollar, something which Russia implied moments ago when its finance minister Siluanov said that Russia may refrain from foreign borrowing this year. Translated: bypass western purchases of Russian debt, funded by Chinese purchases of US Treasurys, and go straight to the source.

Here is what will likely happen next, as explained by Reuters:

Igor Sechin gathered media in Tokyo the next day to warn Western governments that more sanctions over Moscow's seizure of the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine would be counter-productive.



The underlying message from the head of Russia's biggest oil company, Rosneft, was clear: If Europe and the United States isolate Russia, Moscow will look East for new business, energy deals, military contracts and political alliances.



The Holy Grail for Moscow is a natural gas supply deal with China that is apparently now close after years of negotiations. If it can be signed when Putin visits China in May, he will be able to hold it up to show that global power has shifted eastwards and he does not need the West.

More details on the revelation of said "Holy Grail":

State-owned Russian gas firm Gazprom hopes to pump 38 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas per year to China from 2018 via the first pipeline between the world's largest producer of conventional gas to the largest consumer.



"May is in our plans," a Gazprom spokesman said, when asked about the timing of an agreement. A company source said: "It would be logical to expect the deal during Putin's visit to China."

Summarizing what should be and is painfully obvious to all, but apparently to the White House, which keeps prodding at Russia, is the following:

"The worse Russia's relations are with the West, the closer Russia will want to be to China. If China supports you, no one can say you're isolated," said Vasily Kashin, a China expert at the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) think thank.

Bingo. And now add bilateral trade denominated in either Rubles or Renminbi (or gold), add Iran, Iraq, India, and soon the Saudis (China's largest foreign source of crude, whose crown prince also happened to meet president Xi Jinping last week to expand trade further) and wave goodbye to the petrodollar.

As reported previoisly, China has already implicitly backed Putin without risking it relations with the West. "Last Saturday China abstained in a U.N. Security Council vote on a draft resolution declaring invalid the referendum in which Crimea went on to back union with Russia. Although China is nervous about referendums in restive regions of other countries which might serve as a precedent for Tibet and Taiwan, it has refused to criticize Moscow. The support of Beijing is vital for Putin. Not only is China a fellow permanent member of the U.N. Security Council with whom Russia thinks alike, it is also the world's second biggest economy and it opposes the spread of Western-style democracy."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/petrodollar-alert-isolated-west-putin-p repares-announce-holy-grail-gas-deal-china
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Not bad Fallon....

http://blog.heritage.org/2014/03/21/jimmy-fallon-skit-obama-putin-sing-cold-war- never-bothered-anyway/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Well Putin still doing what he wants. You all want to put words in my mouth and think I support the commie ******* but I dont. I think its fun to make jokes about him though.

Now that Crimea is wrapped up and nothing happens but the usual "sanctions", he is moving into Ukraine. Slowly and "covertly" but everyone knows its russian agents and not free people in these police station takeovers.

Whats next? Would this be happening under a Reagan or Bush Presidency? Do we just bend over and let the new Russian empire emerge? Do we continue to cut back our military and cut pensions for retirees?
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Cash when it comes to Obama you would rather support the commies. I say you are a sore looser. You swine tried so hard to rig another election and couldn't so you lost.

Nobody is bending over as you put it.Do you see any Ukrainians fighting the Russians? If anything they look to be welcoming them. I just thank God every night that we don't have a Reagan or a Bush at the helm they were to stupid to handle a situation like this one. I myself am sick and tired of us fighting other peoples battles for them. If democracy is not important enough for somebody to fight for it, then they do not deserve it.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Cash when it comes to Obama you would rather support the commies. I say you are a sore looser. You swine tried so hard to rig another election and couldn't so you lost.

Nobody is bending over as you put it.Do you see any Ukrainians fighting the Russians? If anything they look to be welcoming them. I just thank God every night that we don't have a Reagan or a Bush at the helm they were to stupid to handle a situation like this one. I myself am sick and tired of us fighting other peoples battles for them. If democracy is not important enough for somebody to fight for it, then they do not deserve it.

The Soviet war in Afghanistan lasted nine years from December 1979 to February 1989.

I can't recall how much military support Reagan and Bush the First sent to the Afghans.... oh wait. they sent just as much as Carter did.... none.

unless you count the covert money they sent to support Bin Laden.. [Smile]

i agree with you if also beleive that certain American are secretly jealous of the KIND of power that Putin weilds... strangely enough that means they aren't very good Americans right? no surprise there... the US spends as much money on "defens" as th enext 8 coutnries on the top ten list spend COMBINED.... and these are the same peopel that complain about paying the bill for that defense too... [BadOne]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
the Mujahadeen (bin laden included)in Afghanistan was provided the only real military assistance via the US CIA.
The USA started to supply the Mujahideen with its man-portable anti-aircraft missile system called the Stinger. The US supplied at least 250 launcher systems and at least 500 individual Stinger missiles to the Mujahideen as well as the training needed to operate the system. The introduction of the Stinger changed the battlefield and the Soviet aircraft turned from being the hunter to being the hunted. The SU 25 and Mi 24 were particularly vulnerable as they tended to fly low and thus remained for a long time within the range of a Stinger missile. After the Stinger was introduced to the war, the Mujahideen shot down on average more than one aircraft per day. The suddenly escallating costs of aircraft losses became a major additional drain on the costs of the war and many analysts believe the unsustainable aircraft losses caused Stinger was the primary catalyst to cause the Soviet Union to withdraw from the war. US Congressman Charlie Wilson who was instrumental in funding the Stingers for the Mujahideen said that before the Stinger the Mujahideen never won a set piece battle with the Soviets but after it was introduced, the Mujahideen never again lost one. Many Western military analysts credit the introduction of the Stinger as the turning point in the war but many Russian military analysts tend to be dismissive of the impact to the Stinger. With a kill ratio of about 70% and with over 350 aircraft and helicopters downed in the last two years of the war, most directly attributed to he Stingers, the effect of the Stinger was at least notable. The Wall Street Journal in a 2011 article commemorating several Mujahideen fighters celebrated the Stinger as 'The Missile that Made History.' Source: Wall Street Journal A Foreign Policy article about the Stinger used in Afghanistan called it so much a 'game changer' in the Afghanistan war, that a military analyst term has been coined as the 'Stinger Effect' source: Foreign Policy.

By mid-1987 the Soviet Union announced it would start withdrawing its forces. Sibghatullah Mojaddedi was selected as the head of the Interim Islamic State of Afghanistan, in an attempt to reassert its legitimacy against the Moscow-sponsored Kabul regime. Mojaddedi, as head of the Interim Afghan Government, met with then Vice President of the United States George H. W. Bush, achieving a critical diplomatic victory for the Afghan resistance. Defeat of the Kabul government was their solution for peace. This confidence, sharpened by their distrust of the United Nations, virtually guaranteed their refusal to accept a political compromise.

yeah i miss the "good old days" too bad they created the Taliban and Al Queda, we need more 'strong" leadership like that like we need a hole in the head... BTW? they paid for those stingers and the "resistnce" by flooding hte USA with hashish- seems like wars always produce drug trades, now it's opium from Afghnistan huuh?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
the same leadership supported sadam Husein against Iran - that's why Dubya was so sure Sadam had chmical WMD's (cuz they were made here in Arkansas) and whne directly confronted by terrorsim at eh marine Corps barracks in Beirut (1983) they responded by retreating... yeah those guys were too tough for Putin i'm sure [Wall Bang]

what was it reagan said? “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”
i guess he was confused ... maybe the alzheimers started way ealrier than we knew/
 
Posted by NR on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i have no direct experience with Russia or Russians, other than reading several Russina Classics (Dostoyevski, Tolstoy, Solzhenitsyn) which were all depressing as hell. My tak eon Russina culture is thatthey accept and possibly even like being run by tyrants....

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-putin-solzhenitsyn-1990-essay/26561244.html
 
Posted by NR on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
I myself don't think anybody in government thinks that Russia and China are our friends. And I don't think our government will back down or our military. They are just made of better stuff.

However we will need a lot more man power if we take on both Russia and China, and that is where you will see our resolve. The call will go out and there is no pearl harbor.

You never read about Hillary and her "reset button" Ray?

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
OMG...you are so retarded! ROFLMAO! Please tell everyone EXACTLY what Obama...or even a GOP Prez is supposed to do in the current situation? You are such a raging drip! And why don't you back off the racist BS...dude...he is already Prez...you and your Skinhead bros are just out of luck for now. Get over it.

I look back at your post and just laugh. You are such an angry drone for this administration. Tell me why President Obama won a nobel peace prize? The cold war has come back, and Obama going back to Iraq! How about them apples! Hopefully your dreams of amnesty and an open border end soon.
 
Posted by NR on :
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/world/europe/russia-deports-german-polish-dipl omats-retaliation.html

Merkel Issues Rebuke to Russia, Setting Caution Aside

“Who would’ve thought,” she said, “that 25 years after the fall of the wall, after the end of the Cold War, after the end of the division of Europe and the end of the world being divided in two, something like that can happen right at heart of Europe?”

I'll tell you who: The same man, who 25 years ago, in the middle of the Cold War, thought that the Berlin Wall would come down, Germany would re-unite and the Soviet Union would collapse... Anatoliy Golitsyn.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
NAF mechanized battalion combat footage: beginning of the Debaltsevo offensive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDjUc7y9EY8
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Putin making more moves again. None of which surprise me. Saw some sat photos of a Syrian ship loading some kind of cargo in Sevastopol. Having Crimea is of great help now for Russia to send military equipment to the port in Syria in Latakia. Something big is going on and happening very quickly with this buildup in Syria.


How will this go down? Who knows. Iran comes from the east, Russia from the west to crush ISIS? Then what...


http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/8-september-syria--kil158-in-sevastopol-sep-1st-bei ng-loaded?ll=44.61589;33.55619&zoom=8


Sevastopol which is the port in Crimea which Putin just took back now has a new S-300 anti air base set up next to it along with electronic jamming.
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
There have been lots of manuvers going on this summer and especially last week at Camp Pendleton.

I don't know if it has anything to do with tomorrow being 9/11 or something going on in the Middle East.

What's really weird is several weeks ago it appeared they were firing mortors not more than 100 yards of the I-5 freeway. I would see a puff of smoke then hear a boom right after that.

There are times when you hear the bigger guns firing early in the morning until 10 in the evening, rocks the rooms a little or i should say a lot, in Oceanside.

They have no time restrictions it appears. They shouldn't, they were here first in most cases, not that it matters these days.

The Navy ships off shore do manuvers with the Marines on shore, back and forth for days.

=
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Now Russian tanks and artillery are arriving in Syria along with airborne infantry units.
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Now Russian tanks and artillery are arriving in Syria along with airborne infantry units.

Good! Someone needs to fight ISIS.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Helipads with Russian copters

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Russian SU class jets.

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Thought to be the latest, T90 tanks.

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Video showing "the army of islam" conducting a rocket attack against the Russian airbase.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5be_1443031570


The Russian military presence is only growing, and growing at a rapid pace. It makes it seem like they want to conduct some kind of shock and awe of their own. The whole world will be watching and Putin wants to earn some respect so he is going to show some power (in my opinion). Will it work? I think Putin will be far more brutal in what happens.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
If you guys think the Russians are so damn smart who do you think took all the pictures of there base. To me I see the most lovely targets in the world/
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
The Russians were in Afghan before us, they were just as sucessfull as we were.

Thank goodness for Rambo.

The middle east is a nightmare for anyone trying to change it, or take it over.

Good luck to the Russians, better them than us, as Relentless already stated in a similiar way.

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
If you guys think the Russians are so damn smart who do you think took all the pictures of there base. To me I see the most lovely targets in the world/

*their base. Their is possessive.


Anyway, ray. I think discussing many geopolitical events is beyond your comprehension. Are the Russians supposed to have massive underground airports in Syria to hide from satellites?
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
cash anyway you are a complete waste of gray matter . You aught to try to find the next Ronnie for president he will teach you how to run.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Anytime I try to get a more articulated or sensible response to one of your lame statements I Get some side remark about something different.
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
Add China to the mix.

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/25-09-2015/132137-china-0/
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
cash anyway you are a complete waste of gray matter . You aught to try to find the next Ronnie for president he will teach you how to run.

Just in case I've forgotten to mention it recently.

Ray you're a moron.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
if you say so rent isch kabibble
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
cash anyway you are a complete waste of gray matter . You aught to try to find the next Ronnie for president he will teach you how to run.

Just in case I've forgotten to mention it recently.

Ray you're a moron.

Yeah you see what I see too. Ray cant address anything direct. Its like sideshow bob around here. Limited thinking that parallels comments you see on think progress or mother jones.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
as to what can I not address. If it is who do I like as for a candidate nobody in either party, So as things go along I will wait and see.

As for other reasons the polls don't mean a tinkers damn as to who the delegates will nominate. There job is to nominate the best man as to represent the fat cats. That is why Trump will not be the candidate, unless he can get a public rating in the polls that is overwhelming or he can cut a deal with the big boys just the thing he says he won't do. If he does cut a deal he will be no different than anybody else. So you see cash you just have to wait and let things play out. So ask your self at this point what use is it.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
OMG...you are so retarded! ROFLMAO! Please tell everyone EXACTLY what Obama...or even a GOP Prez is supposed to do in the current situation? You are such a raging drip! And why don't you back off the racist BS...dude...he is already Prez...you and your Skinhead bros are just out of luck for now. Get over it.

Pagan tells me this back in 2014. Joke is on you Pagan look what Putin is doing now. Drafting 150,000 (for what?), military operations in Syria now, telling the U.S. how its going to be, etc.

President Obama tells Mitt Romney in the 2012 debates that the 1980s called and want their policy back in regards to Mitt saying Russia is the bigger problem.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Cash who really has the most to loose in north Africa and I will give you a hint it is not the U.S.. To loose I mean by somebody like a bunch of thieves like the Russians that have a third rate army. And if they could get away with stealing.
 


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