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Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees By Scott Keyes on November 18, 2013 at 12:50 pm
walmart CREDIT: OUR Walmart
A Walmart in northeast Ohio is holding a holiday canned food drive — for its own underpaid employees. “Please Donate Food Items Here, so Associates in Need Can Enjoy Thanksgiving Dinner,” a sign reads in the employee lounge of a Canton-area Walmart.
Kory Lundberg, a Walmart spokesman, says the drive is a positive thing. “This is part of the company’s culture to rally around associates and take care of them when they face extreme hardships,” he said. Indeed, Lundberg is correct that it’s commendable to make an effort to help out those who are in need, especially during the holidays.
But the need for a food drive illustrates how difficult it is for Walmart workers to get by on its notoriously low pay. The company has long been plagued by charges that it doesn’t pay its employees a real living wage. In fact, Walmart’s President and CEO, Bill Simon, recently estimated that the majority of its one million associates make less than $25,000 per year, just above the federal poverty line of $23,550 for a family of four. When the Washington DC city council passed a living wage bill requiring Walmart to pay workers a minimum of $12.50 per hour, the chain threatened to shut down its new stores if Mayor Vincent Gray didn’t veto the bill. Gray vetoed the bill.
Walmart’s low wages come at a public cost. Because low-income workers still need housing and health care, taxpayers end up doling out millions in benefits to bridge the gap faced by many of the store’s retail workers. They have also led to strikes at Walmart stores from Seattle to Chicago to Los Angeles in recent weeks.
Even if the canned food drive successfully gathers enough to help out the Canton store’s low-income workers, many of them might not even be able to have the food on Thanksgiving. That’s because Walmart is one of a group of retailers that will open its stores for Black Friday sales beginning at 6 p.m. on Thanksgiving afternoon.
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Posted by raybond on :
National Labor Relations Board To Prosecute Walmart For Violating Workers’ Rights By Bryce Covert on November 18, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Walmart Protests CREDIT: AP
The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), the federal agency that protects workers’ rights to organize and demand better conditions, will announce a decision today to prosecute Walmart for violating workers’ rights by firing, disciplining, and threatening workers who went on strike or attempted to unionize, according to OUR Walmart, the group that has been helping to organize the strikes.
The group says the NLRB will prosecute the company for illegally firing and disciplining more than 117 workers, including some who went on strike last June. It also includes threats by managers and spokespeople meant to discourage workers from striking. Workers could potentially see back pay, reinstatement to their former positions, and the reversal of disciplinary actions.
In an emailed statement, a Walmart spokesperson said, “We disagree with this position by the Division of Advice. This is just a procedural step and we will pursue our options to defend the company because we believe our actions were legal and justified… It’s important to note that there has not been one decision in the last 5 years by the NLRB or by a court finding that Walmart violated the National Labor Relations Act. That is because we take our obligations under the Act very seriously and we train our managers accordingly.” The NLRB did not return a request for comment.
Workers have gone on strike multiple times over the past year, with a wave of 400 walking out on Black Friday last year. The latest saw strikes in three cities over a week-long period. Workers have been demanding higher pay, more full-time work, and an end to retaliation.
But workers have repeatedly claimed that they are fired or disciplined for going on strike. The company itself has also admitted to threatening workers who look into forming unions that their benefits could disappear if they organize.
Recent company data showed that the majority of Walmart’s in-store workers make less than $25,000 a year. Wages are so low that workers in one location alone consume around $1 million in public benefits to get by. The company has also been found to be mostly interested in hiring temporary workers, although recently reversed course somewhat to hire more full-time positions ahead of the holidays in the face of slumping sales.
Posted by Upside on :
And people say Wal-Mart doesn't take care of its employees.
Posted by glassman on :
the most patriotic thing i can do for my country would be to immigrate to China and become a union organiser there... Posted by CashCowMoo on :
I do not shop at Wal Mart. Do you?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I do not shop at Wal Mart. Do you?
cash, i live in a community that has had walmart since 1975. ... i am only few miles from arkansas. i don't really have much choice but to shop at walmart for many things. if i can, i don't go there...
walmart has made the poverty here worse. this town has lost a dozen small businesses.
when i first moved here, i almost bought the home of the family that had owned the departmetn stor that went out of business in the late 90's.
it was a very nice home but not ostentatious and the only reasons i didn;t buy it was that they had used so much fireproof paneling (asbestos) in some of the walls, and the garage was only a two- car and had no room to add-on for my glassblowing stuff....
the amount of asbestos panels in the walls (that icould see without even trying to look) indicated to me that the peopel who had the house built were really paranoid about fire... they probaly spent a fortune for them, but if i got stuck with the abatementtncost? it would cost more than the house is worth...
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
I was reading about the poverty in western MS along the river. Doesnt even seem like it should be America.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I was reading about the poverty in western MS along the river. Doesnt even seem like it should be America.
That's about right. The worst part is that there's more money being made here farming than in many whole states. Almost every acre that is not under water is in crop, and it's productive soil. The money never even gets here though becuase of the way modern farming works now.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
whats the biggest crop
Posted by Upside on :
Ganja
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Ganja
Actually it is only third on the top ten list of MS crops
LOL, ganja is being grown here, but it's nothing like what is going on in Tenn or Ark. the land here is table flat. There's almost no trees. Anywhere you see trees? that means there's a ditch filled with water. so there's no place to hide the ganja, which stands out like sore thumb to a trained eye and even worse to infrared systems.... you have to have hills and valleys to grow ganja and get away with it...
the other thing we don't have here is public land. the whole MS river front is privately owned here which is one of the oddest things i ever seen.... much of it is held by hunt clubs and they run active security to keep people off it. so they may be growing dakine right along the river, but these clubs are very exclusive....
Posted by glassman on :
the MS Delta has historiclly grown cotton... The cotton subsidies got wiped out under a law suit by Brazil and few other countries. the last couple years they planted corn heavily.but the corn subsidy has been severely reduced (it is not gone) so if you plant corn, you have to roate beans in also...
peanuts are being tried, but it'll be a coule years before we know if they will actually work here or not...
the whole farming industry in the US has been so subsidised that it cracks me up when i hear anybody whining about food stamps (which are actually a farm subsidy too, food stamps actually keep the price of corn higher than it would be without them....) and unemployment benefits and "welfare".
if the general public actaully knew that the US Govt pays farmers to lose money growing corn? they'd freak... and that when we pay the farmers to lose money on a per bushel basis? the farmers actaully grow MORE at a bigger loss...
in the end? food production really is about natioanl security and we haven't really "done wrong", it's jsut that the system no longer supports "Family Farming" at all. it's gone......
i'm afraid this is all about to come crashing down on the country tho- Taxpayers Turn U.S. Farmers Into Fat Cats With Subsidies By David J. Lynch & Alan Bjerga - Sep 9, 2013 1:11 PM CT
if there's one thing The Street cannot stand? it is to see easy money lying around waiting to be leveraged inot their pockets.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL, ganja is being grown here, but it's nothing like what is going on in Tenn or Ark. the land here is table flat. There's almost no trees. Anywhere you see trees? that means there's a ditch filled with water. so there's no place to hide the ganja, which stands out like sore thumb to a trained eye and even worse to infrared systems.... you have to have hills and valleys to grow ganja and get away with it...
the other thing we don't have here is public land. the whole MS river front is privately owned here which is one of the oddest things i ever seen.... much of it is held by hunt clubs and they run active security to keep people off it. so they may be growing dakine right along the river, but these clubs are very exclusive....
I can remember a long time ago when a Wisconsin farmer tried to grow a huge crop of it. He thought he was being crafty by planting it in the interior of one of his corn fields. Basically had a ring of maybe 20 rows of corn bordering the outside of the field and the entire inside was pot. He didn't get busted until near the end of the growing season when the corn topped out at 5 feet tall or so but the pot kept growing reaching heights of 7 or 8 feet. I guess even from a nearby road it was pretty obvious what was going on.
Posted by glassman on :
yeah, it's a really obvious plant if you know what to look for. in Nebraska they have a real problem with it. they used to grow hemp (which has almost no THC) for the Navy to make rope. now it's roundup resistant and grows all over the place, especially in the ditches. The first year i was there i began seeing it and stopped to check a few times because i couldn't belive it... i realised over the next year or two that it was everywhere in the SE corner of the state, and the soy beans were especially infested with it.. roundup stopped working on it awhile back so it was becoming a big problem...
the "funny" part about all the wild weed there? anybody trying to grow it with any potency would end up having the wild "ditch weed" pollinating it and ruining it... i understand that some people in N. california want the DEA to use the same strategy of planting the rope type hemp there in order to mess up the illegal growers quality... i dunno if it would work or not..
Posted by T e x on :
GMO crops are a problem, especially corn and soybeans. Sorry, didn't read the thread: just reacting to the latest posts.
Posted by glassman on :
GMO itself isn't real a problem. Monsanto's business practices? they are problematic, but that's capitalism.
When you grind down the GMO issue to it's bare bones? the argument against is simple. The claim is basic. GMO puts genes togehter in ways that Nature never intended.
and my simple response to that claim is bullchit. nature will, given enough time, try every possible combination of everything that there is. Including all the ones we humans (who are actaully part of Nature) tryout. just becuase humans participated in the project does not mean it is a msitake. Nature has it's partciular ways of dealing with mistakes, regardless of what we do.
Corn is descended from plant that no longer exists in nature becuase the ancient Americans crossbred it for atleast 3000 years before Europeans showed up here. I personally bleive that we'll eventually uncover the evidence that proves there were very advanced cultures as much a s 35,000 years ago on earht and int he Americas. they died out for some reason we have yet to determine. The major portion of the peopel lived along the coasts but the end of th elast ice age put those coastlines under about 400 feet of water. The evidence is scattered across the globe, and there is planty of it, GMO's will push their genes into non-GMO pplants no matter what we do. But Nature will be the 'decider" on whether those genes survive or not....
Posted by glassman on :
75 percent of what's found in the grocery store comes at least in part from corn.
corn is where researchers found the basic tool to 'commit' GMO in a targeted and planned fashion.
Barbara McClintock was the first scientist to predict that transposable elements, mobile pieces of the genetic material (DNA), were present in eukaryotic genomes. She performed her work on corn and specifically followed seed color phenotypes.
Corn by being amenable to our behavior has pretty much taken over the world...
i ask the question, who serves who? do we serve corn or does it serve us?
Posted by glassman on :
if youthink what's been going on so far with GMO'ing has been scary? you may want to stop reading right now.
there's a new genration of sequencers coming itno the market right now that can do a whole human genome ine on day (instead of months) and the sequencer and the computer that you need to translate teh sequence called an assmebler cost just under 500,000$. Wiht that half mill? you can have your whole sequence run in one day by your local doctor in his lab and they WILL be using that to diagnose your ills... it costs about 1,000$ to run one human genomethe same cost as an MRI...... it is also almost no-labor
this means that old generation sequencers are now showing upon ebay for pennnies on the dollar... literlally.. ths means that momandpops outfits will be doing GMO-ing in the back yard in decade... i can (theoretically)do it right now with off th eshelf kits IF i have the sequences i need. and these last generation sequencers being surplused all over th eworld are cheap.... the only problem withthem is they are slow. but what is a couple of weeks? this particualr model is a parts only one, but there are very good ones available for about 10 grand whihc is the cost of about 6 samples to be fully sequnced right now on the open market...
PERKIN-ELMER 337 Infrared Spectrophotometer/ABI PRISM 377 DNA Sequencer
the next twenty years are going to be very interesting...
Posted by Upside on :
I'm putting one on my Christmas list.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: I'm putting one on my Christmas list.
LOL... we could make yeast that produces *more* than just alcohol if you want... how does that idea grab you?
beer that also included almost any of the mr natural stuff..
teh right one to buy is the Illumina MiSeq at $128,000 plus anohte 75K for supporting equipment and all the supporting reagents and prep kits... that's next Gen brand new outa the box....
how about Bufobeer? all the fun of licking toads without the grossness of actaully having to kiss the frog Posted by raybond on :
The nation’s largest private employer is seeing strikes in nine cities on Black Friday this year. OUR Walmart, the non-union group arguing for labor protections, expects 1,500 protests involving workers and their community supporters. At the same time, workers who strike could face retaliation, like being fired, for their actions. Dozens of protesters have already been arrested today for their civil disobedience.
Here’s why the strikes have been building momentum:
WHY WORKERS ARE STRIKING: Workers have three demands: A minimum $25,000 a year, more full-time positions, and an end to retaliation. More than 825,000 workers make less than $25,000 a year. Recognizing that workers struggle on an average $8.81, one Walmart even held a food drive for its employees. Walmart notoriously relies on part-time, erratic scheduling, denying full-time work to staff who request it — so much so, that Walmart recently announced it would add more full-time shifts to make up for severe staffing shortfalls. Low wages and scarce health care benefits at a single 300-person Superstore cost the economy up to $1.7 million in public assistance programs every year.
WALMART’S RESPONSE: To counter the protests, Walmart has pursued a positive PR campaign to showcase Black Friday sales success (despite reports of violence in stores). Behind the scenes, Walmart takes action against protesting workers. The National Labor Relations Board recently ruled that through media statements and other means, Walmart “unlawfully threatened” employees who walked out in protests last year in 14 states. Shortly before protests began Friday, the retailer distorted the NLRB decision to falsely claim unions paid Walmart protesters.
WHY NOW?: In the weeks leading up to Black Friday, Walmart have seen nine different strikes. Last year, 400 workers went on strike during Black Friday, and another 30,000 supporters participated in protests. And in the race for profits, Walmart opened earlier than ever on Thanksgiving this year and denied workers both fair wages and their holiday.
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: National Labor Relations Board To Prosecute Walmart For Violating Workers’ Rights By Bryce Covert on November 18, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Walmart Protests CREDIT: AP
The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), the federal agency that protects workers’ rights to organize and demand better conditions, will announce a decision today to prosecute Walmart for violating workers’ rights by firing, disciplining, and threatening workers who went on strike or attempted to unionize, according to OUR Walmart, the group that has been helping to organize the strikes.
The group says the NLRB will prosecute the company for illegally firing and disciplining more than 117 workers, including some who went on strike last June. It also includes threats by managers and spokespeople meant to discourage workers from striking. Workers could potentially see back pay, reinstatement to their former positions, and the reversal of disciplinary actions.
In an emailed statement, a Walmart spokesperson said, “We disagree with this position by the Division of Advice. This is just a procedural step and we will pursue our options to defend the company because we believe our actions were legal and justified… It’s important to note that there has not been one decision in the last 5 years by the NLRB or by a court finding that Walmart violated the National Labor Relations Act. That is because we take our obligations under the Act very seriously and we train our managers accordingly.” The NLRB did not return a request for comment.
Workers have gone on strike multiple times over the past year, with a wave of 400 walking out on Black Friday last year. The latest saw strikes in three cities over a week-long period. Workers have been demanding higher pay, more full-time work, and an end to retaliation.
But workers have repeatedly claimed that they are fired or disciplined for going on strike. The company itself has also admitted to threatening workers who look into forming unions that their benefits could disappear if they organize.
Recent company data showed that the majority of Walmart’s in-store workers make less than $25,000 a year. Wages are so low that workers in one location alone consume around $1 million in public benefits to get by. The company has also been found to be mostly interested in hiring temporary workers, although recently reversed course somewhat to hire more full-time positions ahead of the holidays in the face of slumping sales.
What are these "rights to organize" they talk about?
Posted by a surfer on :
Ray...this thread holds the key to why Obamacare is going to kill the 40 hour a week and full time jobs altogether. No one wants to be liable for their employees anymore and hence the biggest growing phenomenon is PART TIME. Except now one needs to work 30 hours at Walmart for their food and then 30 hours somewhere else to pay for their healthcare. I wish they would cut your pension down to "Part time" and see how you deal with it. You'll be the first in line whining like a little b!tch. And why is my health public???
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: What are these "rights to organize" they talk about?
duh! we've been over this so many times already that i have to assume you just don't want to know the answer.
First Amendment
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
any interpretation of the Constitution that denies the right to organise is simply apowergrab bought and paid for by the lobbyists.
all of the "right to work states" have been bought and paid for by big biz.
everyone has the right to organise and petition the Govt. the buisnesses have the right to shut down and go elsewhere.
the Govt. does not have the right to subsidise all these businesses that they have been subsidizing since George Washington led a bunch of conscripts to put down the Whiskey rebellion...
Small farmers protested that Hamilton's excise effectively gave unfair tax breaks to large distillers, most of whom were based in the east. There were two methods of paying the whiskey excise: paying a flat fee or paying by the gallon. Large distillers produced whiskey in volume and could afford the flat fee. The more efficient they became, the less tax per gallon they would pay (as low as 6 cents according to Hamilton). Western farmers who owned small stills did not usually operate them year-round at full capacity, so they ended up paying a higher tax per gallon (9 cents), which made them less competitive.
and lo and behold who is the largest distiller in the USA within a few years of putting down the rebellion? George Washington Himself!
ain't this a great nation? Posted by Lockman on :
Organize Walmart workers...give them $20.00 per hour that should attract the unemployed college graduates and put todays Walmart worker on the line...the unemployment line.
Posted by glassman on :
i wasn't joking wheni posted that te most pattriotic act i could do for my country would be to go to China and become a union organiser..
i'm neutral on the quality of Unions... a good union is an asset to managemetn and actually decreases managemtn costs. they train employees and look after safety issues...
bad unions are no differnt from bad management... and i don't beleive that 'bad" unions destroy good companies any more than i believe that well run companies even need unions...
after all of that? i bleive in our Constitution whihc most certainly granted US citizens the right to organise into Unions if we wish...
the new Pope is impressing me with his attitudes, and i'm not a Catholic, i'm not going to convert because of him (or at least it i don't expect to right now) but what he is saying about unfettered capitalism is "a new tyranny" is dead on... hell it is not even new.. the Romans were unfettered capitaists, to teh point of subjugating most of the western world....
i dunno what a good balance is... i know that you need customers with money inorder to be a successful Capitalsit, that menas somebody has t make more than enough moeny to feed, clothe and house themsleves..
food in the USA is NOT a Capitalist enterprise, and hasn't been since the last depression whne th eFarmers went bust... it actually can't work as a true capitalistic program either becuase of the way monoculture works...
Posted by raybond on :
posted by sufer
Member Rated: 4 Icon 1 posted November 30, 2013 11:25 Profile for a surfer Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Ray...this thread holds the key to why Obamacare is going to kill the 40 hour a week and full time jobs altogether. No one wants to be liable for their employees anymore and hence the biggest growing phenomenon is PART TIME. Except now one needs to work 30 hours at Walmart for their food and then 30 hours somewhere else to pay for their healthcare. I wish they would cut your pension down to "Part time" and see how you deal with it. You'll be the first in line whining like a little b!tch. -----------------------------------------------
Whining like a little ***** is more your style. Reading your posts is just proof of that.
On the other hand people that know me from the Army to my career in corrections is, I don't whine and never have I have always got the job done. Something that does not seem to be a trait that you have. As far as my pension goes it is just none of your damn business. I have paid a big chunk out of my pay for it. no different than your 401 k or other investments. If anything happens to it that's just capitalism. You sound like most republicans your a cry baby.
Posted by NR on :
"But the need for a food drive illustrates how difficult it is for Walmart workers to get by on its notoriously low pay."
Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they made poor financial decisions and maxed their credit cards...
Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they have a family member who suddenly became sick or had a child with medical complications and are struggling to pay the medical bills...
Anyone can go through "extreme hardships", regardless of how much they earn and for any number of reasons, all it takes is a few poorly timed, poorly executed financial decisions or even just a run of bad luck. What's the old expression? "When it rains, it pours"?
I disagree with the premise of this article, which seems to suggest that the employees need help via canned food drives, simply because Walmart pays their employees so little.
Posted by raybond on :
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McDonald's Advises Its Employees To Stay Away From Fast Food
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The Atlantic Wire By Abby Ohlheiser 2 hours ago
A McDonalds website providing resources to its employees advises against eating hamburgers, fries and sodas. CNBC first noticed the latest in a series of strange pieces of advice provided by the fast food company to its employees. "While convenient and economical for a busy lifestyle," McDonalds says of its primary product, "fast foods are typically high in calories, fat, saturated fat, sugar, and salt and may put people at risk for becoming overweight."
It goes on: "In general, people with high blood pressure, diabetes, and heart disease must be very careful about choosing fast food because of its high fat, salt, and sugar levels." CNBC notes that the content here comes from a third party, A.D.A.M., Inc., credited at the bottom of the page. You can browse similar advice from the company on eating healthy here. A spokesperson for McDonalds told CNBC that the company would examine the content in question. Here's another sample:
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL, ganja is being grown here, but it's nothing like what is going on in Tenn or Ark. the land here is table flat. There's almost no trees. Anywhere you see trees? that means there's a ditch filled with water. so there's no place to hide the ganja, which stands out like sore thumb to a trained eye and even worse to infrared systems.... you have to have hills and valleys to grow ganja and get away with it...
the other thing we don't have here is public land. the whole MS river front is privately owned here which is one of the oddest things i ever seen.... much of it is held by hunt clubs and they run active security to keep people off it. so they may be growing dakine right along the river, but these clubs are very exclusive....
Thats actually very interesting about the private land ownership along the river. Thats a very significant asset if you own land along a major river like that.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: if youthink what's been going on so far with GMO'ing has been scary? you may want to stop reading right now.
there's a new genration of sequencers coming itno the market right now that can do a whole human genome ine on day (instead of months) and the sequencer and the computer that you need to translate teh sequence called an assmebler cost just under 500,000$. Wiht that half mill? you can have your whole sequence run in one day by your local doctor in his lab and they WILL be using that to diagnose your ills... it costs about 1,000$ to run one human genomethe same cost as an MRI...... it is also almost no-labor
this means that old generation sequencers are now showing upon ebay for pennnies on the dollar... literlally.. ths means that momandpops outfits will be doing GMO-ing in the back yard in decade... i can (theoretically)do it right now with off th eshelf kits IF i have the sequences i need. and these last generation sequencers being surplused all over th eworld are cheap.... the only problem withthem is they are slow. but what is a couple of weeks? this particualr model is a parts only one, but there are very good ones available for about 10 grand whihc is the cost of about 6 samples to be fully sequnced right now on the open market...
PERKIN-ELMER 337 Infrared Spectrophotometer/ABI PRISM 377 DNA Sequencer
the next twenty years are going to be very interesting...
I never knew you were the mad scientist!
Posted by glassman on :
i'm not mad.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL, ganja is being grown here, but it's nothing like what is going on in Tenn or Ark. the land here is table flat. There's almost no trees. Anywhere you see trees? that means there's a ditch filled with water. so there's no place to hide the ganja, which stands out like sore thumb to a trained eye and even worse to infrared systems.... you have to have hills and valleys to grow ganja and get away with it...
the other thing we don't have here is public land. the whole MS river front is privately owned here which is one of the oddest things i ever seen.... much of it is held by hunt clubs and they run active security to keep people off it. so they may be growing dakine right along the river, but these clubs are very exclusive....
Thats actually very interesting about the private land ownership along the river. Thats a very significant asset if you own land along a major river like that.
yes it's valuble for hunting, but not muc else. if it sin't right on th eriver? hunting landfor ducks here runs between 1000 and 2500 pr acre. The clubs right on the river with the best land are usualy big (1000 acres or more ) and cost 100,000 or more to join. I have not seen muc actaul riverfornt preperty for sale here. The people who own it lease out portins, and some small lots are for sale now and then, but the problem is that the River floods every year and inside the levy can be a swamp 6 months out of the year or more and some years it's 25 feet underwater in the spring and dry (well mostly anyway) in Novemebr.
growers don't usually grow on their own land becuase they'll take the land if htey catch you wiht enough plants. i dunno the exact number but i've been told that over 9 plants gets you a felony and over fifty carries serious fines, lots of time breaking rocks (they don't really do that anymore do they?) and i'm sure they'll try to take your property....
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Organize Walmart workers...give them $20.00 per hour that should attract the unemployed college graduates and put todays Walmart worker on the line...the unemployment line.
i missed this post earlier lockman, tha's how everything has been working. and colleges have eben lowering hteir standards and teaching at what was once high school level, but they get to charge alot more money...
the way we are going? in 2090, a garbage collector will have a PHD in waste managemtn and have 100,000 student loan to payoff.... so what is th ebest 'racket" to be in?
the one that makes you happy and look forward to going to work
Posted by glassman on :
there's another way to look at this "increase pay" thing too..
if people have disposable income? When i say disposbale income? I'm really talking about people who can honestly afford to buy a new car every three? or 2? years. people who can afford to put an addition on their home and have a personal sportsbar with big screen, bar and pool table. nice pool, tennis court or enough disposable income to have expensive hobbies, there's lots of 'em... 1000,000 people buying a new bass boat (Made in USA) every five to seven years would create alot of good jobs...
that type of disposable income is what really creates lots of jobs.... for the last 6 years or so? all of those jobs that are dependant on disposable income have suffered miserably. it's truning back around now, but we have a long way to go to get back to teh 90's. The 90's wern't the best but they were better than post-911. America SHOULD NOT need fast food joints to pay adults to work for them all the time. Walmart should not be ABLE to pay such low wages because peopel are so desperate for crappy jobs, there's plenty of very wealthy peopel who are not creating jobs.. they invest overseas now ....
too much of our moeny went overseas to invest in new factories and businesses . Now the jobs are no there, and we are now looking at the possibility of 6% unemployment with lust.
It really has been about finding cheap labor overseas, but that only lasts so long until the second and third genreation is off the farm and then out of the "factory dorms" like they have in China...
Chinese workers are slowly figuring out that even tho they now have running water and electricity, they have to live 20? or more to a room at the factory dorm. they won't be getting married and having a family in those dorms..... they will develop a middle class there, maybe... the Govt still contorls everything and the Govt will hold the status quo as long as it suits them....
Posted by T e x on :
OK, you got my attention
Carry on
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: posted by sufer
Member Rated: 4 Icon 1 posted November 30, 2013 11:25 Profile for a surfer Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Ray...this thread holds the key to why Obamacare is going to kill the 40 hour a week and full time jobs altogether. No one wants to be liable for their employees anymore and hence the biggest growing phenomenon is PART TIME. Except now one needs to work 30 hours at Walmart for their food and then 30 hours somewhere else to pay for their healthcare. I wish they would cut your pension down to "Part time" and see how you deal with it. You'll be the first in line whining like a little b!tch. -----------------------------------------------
Whining like a little ***** is more your style. Reading your posts is just proof of that.
On the other hand people that know me from the Army to my career in corrections is, I don't whine and never have I have always got the job done. Something that does not seem to be a trait that you have. As far as my pension goes it is just none of your damn business. I have paid a big chunk out of my pay for it. no different than your 401 k or other investments. If anything happens to it that's just capitalism. You sound like most republicans your a cry baby.
Now you're beginning to see....some things are not anyones business...Like my health care!!!
Let me ask you...what were some of your techniques used for guiding people that were criminals or addicts when they got out of jail??
Posted by raybond on :
surfer I am beginning to see nothing. You must be doing something for health care even if is going to the emergency room on the tax payer dime. I don't care. If not you care now pay your share and buy healthcare insurance. As far as my retirement income goes why are you so interested in it?
As for helping excons prepare for life that all starts before they get out with recommendations as to where to go to get a start. The half way homes help to.
My job how ever is dealing with them when they are behind bars.
Remember society put them behind bars and when they are out, most of society wants nothing to do with them. That's just the simple truth, most are screwed and will be back behind bars soon enough.
Sounds to me you are like most people blame cops for crime ,blame prison employee's for society attitude towards excons. And envy towards an other for working hard and collecting what is his.
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by NR: "But the need for a food drive illustrates how difficult it is for Walmart workers to get by on its notoriously low pay."
Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they made poor financial decisions and maxed their credit cards...
Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they have a family member who suddenly became sick or had a child with medical complications and are struggling to pay the medical bills...
Anyone can go through "extreme hardships", regardless of how much they earn and for any number of reasons, all it takes is a few poorly timed, poorly executed financial decisions or even just a run of bad luck. What's the old expression? "When it rains, it pours"?
I disagree with the premise of this article, which seems to suggest that the employees need help via canned food drives, simply because Walmart pays their employees so little.
This is a fact NR...NOT a premise
Walmart employees DO need help via canned food drives simply because Walmart pays their employees so little...
To state otherwise illustrates just how "out of touch" you are!
Posted by NR on :
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker:
quote:Originally posted by NR: "But the need for a food drive illustrates how difficult it is for Walmart workers to get by on its notoriously low pay."
Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they made poor financial decisions and maxed their credit cards...
Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they have a family member who suddenly became sick or had a child with medical complications and are struggling to pay the medical bills...
Anyone can go through "extreme hardships", regardless of how much they earn and for any number of reasons, all it takes is a few poorly timed, poorly executed financial decisions or even just a run of bad luck. What's the old expression? "When it rains, it pours"?
I disagree with the premise of this article, which seems to suggest that the employees need help via canned food drives, simply because Walmart pays their employees so little.
This is a fact NR...NOT a premise
Walmart employees DO need help via canned food drives simply because Walmart pays their employees so little...
To state otherwise illustrates just how "out of touch" you are!
Gimmie a break... I've worked selling shoes at JCPenney for 5.15/hr and faced "hardships", and I've also done survey work for a major engineering firm where I earned close to 22/hr and faced "hardships" as well. Many times in my life, I've had years where I had to go without, or had suck up my pride and temporarily rely on the help of others to get me through a tough spot, regardless of how much I earned per hour.
So, I say again, just because ONE Walmart had a canned food drive for it's own employees, doesn't mean all Walmart employees face economic hardships simply because Walmart "pays so little".
The difference between me and the people crying they now want 20/hr for doing the same thing they agreed to do when then signed up to be an employee at Walmart for minimum wage? Instead of going outside and holding a sign refusing to work unless JCPenney paid me more, I got off my ass, got a new job as a "rodman/mule" on a survey crew, and earned my way from 7/hr to 22/hr. No "Demands", No schooling, just sweat, blood, brains and tears.
So, don't tell me I'm out of touch because I'm not. I understand that in this life, things are not handed to you, and you have to earn what you want, and that takes more than holding a stupid sign with a bunch of demands on it, which is more than I can say for most these days.
Posted by buckstalker on :
"Financial Hardships" and not making enough money to put food on the table are two completely different things NR...get your head out of your azz...
Do you honestly believe that $8.00 an hour is a fair living wage, and you would be willing to work for that, without asking for any assistance?
Could YOU survive on a Walmart job today?
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Don't work for Walmart, that's a simple solution.
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Posted by buckstalker on :
Where should they work IWISH?
Walmart has put thousands of small businesses OUT of business and thousands of people in this country out of work...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By Buckstalker:
Where should they work IWISH?
Walmart has put thousands of small businesses OUT of business and thousands of people in this country out of work... -------------------------------------------------
Buckstalker you been around long enough to know that chains like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes etc. put thousands of small businesses out of business along the chain, that's the nature of the game.
Im not saying it's right, but it's reality.
I think the one's that will be hurt the most by continuing to raise the mimium wage are fixed income people.
I still think we should supply the basic needs to all that need it, then they can work to get what they want above that. There will alway's be some that will trade the basics for drugs etc. but they will have had a good starting point to live beyond survival.
Continuing to raise the minium wage just means in the end everything else will raise.
I saw recently Mark Cuban suggest we give money directly to the poor instead using our social welfare system.
I also saw where he took on the SEC recently instead of paying a couple of million and won, off the subject some.
I am not fond of these major chains that are starting to momopolize the industry, and i will not use their self check out lines if i go there. Employees want us to use them, but most don't realize there putting themselves out of jobs.
And Walmart is close to the bottom of these chains as far as places i go.
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Posted by NR on :
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: "Financial Hardships" and not making enough money to put food on the table are two completely different things NR...get your head out of your azz...
Do you honestly believe that $8.00 an hour is a fair living wage, and you would be willing to work for that, without asking for any assistance?
Could YOU survive on a Walmart job today?
You need to pull your own head out of your ass and study up on your reading comprehension. The article sourced for this thread talks about ONE Walmart in Ohio that held a "Holiday Food Drive" for it's employees for Thanksgiving. To try to suggest that this means all Walmart employees can't put food on the table, (as both you and the author of said article are tying to do), is a just asinine.
As far as surviving on Walmart wages now? No, I couldn't. If I were single again with no kids? YES. I could survive on minimum wage. I did then, and I could do it again. No doubt in my mind.
See, the thing that some people don't understand, is that the only person looking out for you and your interests is yourself, (and maybe your family and friends). I knew when I was working at JCPenney that I couldn't have a family and the things I wanted at that kind of job, unless I planned to try for management, (I hated sales jobs, I don't like bending truths trying to convincing people to buy crap they don't really need), I was going to have to find something better.
Never once did "living wage" cross my mind, nor this idiotic notion that someone was just going to hand me the wages required to have what I wanted or even needed. There was even a period of about 8 months or so where I worked 2 jobs. One during the week and the other during the weekends. I didn't cry injustice, I didn't make signs, I just did what had to be done.
Posted by buckstalker on :
Forget it NR...you are clueless as to what I am talking about here, and sadly, you most likely will never get it...
Here's a hint...try looking at the bigger picture...try looking beyond YOURSELF!
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by NR:
See, the thing that some people don't understand, is that the only person looking out for you and your interests is yourself
Exactly my point...we have become a "me me me and phuck everybody else" society...
We have become selfish, self serving, greedy and divided...and people like YOU are proponents of this mindset
This will be our undoing..."Divided We Fall"
Posted by NR on :
And what exactly is "the bigger picture" there buckstalker?
That ones employer is completely responsible for your survival regardless of skill, merit, dedication, intelligence, good decisions or lack there-of?
Posted by NR on :
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker:
quote:Originally posted by NR:
See, the thing that some people don't understand, is that the only person looking out for you and your interests is yourself
Exactly my point...we have become a "me me me and phuck everybody else" society...
We have become selfish, self serving, greedy and divided...and people like YOU are proponents of this mindset
This will be our undoing..."Divided We Fall"
I have no problem with charity, and I recognize that there are some who do not have the capability to survive on their own, through no decision of their own... But those aren't the people crying foul and holding up signs, demanding "living wages" for mindless, skill-less jobs, are they?
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by NR:
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker:
quote:Originally posted by NR:
See, the thing that some people don't understand, is that the only person looking out for you and your interests is yourself
Exactly my point...we have become a "me me me and phuck everybody else" society...
We have become selfish, self serving, greedy and divided...and people like YOU are proponents of this mindset
This will be our undoing..."Divided We Fall"
I have no problem with charity, and I recognize that there are some who do not have the capability to survive on their own, through no decision of their own... But those aren't the people crying foul and holding up signs, demanding "living wages" for mindless, skill-less jobs, are they?
I rest my case!!!!!
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i wasn't joking wheni posted that te most pattriotic act i could do for my country would be to go to China and become a union organiser..
i'm neutral on the quality of Unions... a good union is an asset to managemetn and actually decreases managemtn costs. they train employees and look after safety issues...
bad unions are no differnt from bad management... and i don't beleive that 'bad" unions destroy good companies any more than i believe that well run companies even need unions...
after all of that? i bleive in our Constitution whihc most certainly granted US citizens the right to organise into Unions if we wish...
the new Pope is impressing me with his attitudes, and i'm not a Catholic, i'm not going to convert because of him (or at least it i don't expect to right now) but what he is saying about unfettered capitalism is "a new tyranny" is dead on... hell it is not even new.. the Romans were unfettered capitaists, to teh point of subjugating most of the western world....
i dunno what a good balance is... i know that you need customers with money inorder to be a successful Capitalsit, that menas somebody has t make more than enough moeny to feed, clothe and house themsleves..
food in the USA is NOT a Capitalist enterprise, and hasn't been since the last depression whne th eFarmers went bust... it actually can't work as a true capitalistic program either becuase of the way monoculture works...
"i wasn't joking wheni posted that te most pattriotic act i could do for my country would be to go to China and become a union organiser"
Im sure that would go over real well with the "party".
Posted by glassman on :
seems like it would go over wIth "the party' just about as well as union organisers do with you caschow. Posted by NR on :
So they recycle this drivel every year eh? Here Ray, I saved you the trouble of posting this.
I forgot about this post that I made thanks for bringing it up.
You have earned the right to be my assistant please find some more dd to post I don't even have to read it.as I won't maybe bulkstalker will help you!
Posted by raybond on :
CREDIT: Associated Press
Walmart employees who are organizing as part of OUR Walmart are promising the biggest strikes ever on Black Friday, saying more employees will participate than the previous two years. Barbara Gertz, an employee from Denver, Colorado, said organizers are expecting to see protests in 1,600 stores. While they don’t yet have a headcount of how many workers will strike or in how many cities, she said they’ve gotten calls “every day” from employees who want to join in. Protests will hit Los Angeles and a number of other major metropolitan areas. Employees at more than 2,100 Walmart stores across the country have signed an online petition asking for higher wages and better working conditions.
Gertz explained why she’s planning to take part. “There have been many times my family can’t even afford the gas to get me back and forth to work, so my husband had to wait in the car to take me home after work,” she said on a call with the press. “Every time one of us speaks out for change, we take the risk that Walmart will fire us. That’s not right and that’s not legal. That’s why we’re going on strike.” The National Labor Relations Board has backed up some of the claims of retaliation against organizing workers.
She noted that while the company has made some changes — it has announced an increase in the wage for its lowest-paid employees above the federal floor of $7.25 an hour, overhauled its scheduling program, and made some changes for pregnant employees — “associates are still struggling and our stores are still understaffed.” Striking Walmart workers have been calling for $15 an hour, more full-time work, and an end to retaliation to those trying to form a union over the past two years, and those demands were repeated on Thursday as they staged the first-ever sit-in strike.
Workers have gone on strike and protested for the past two Black Fridays. This time, they will also be joined by “tens of thousands” of community members, according to Stephanie Ly, AFT New Mexico president and a teacher, the “largest mobilizing of working families we’ve seen in recent history.” Teachers, elected officials, members of the clergy, and others will participate in protests at stores, flash mobs, marches, and prayer vigils.
“As a teacher, this tears me apart,” Ly said. “The constant struggle Walmart has created for families is not acceptable. It’s also holding back the next generation from the opportunities and fair shake they deserve.” They’ll join in the call for $15 an hour and full time work on behalf of “students who are coming to school hungry.”
While Walmart some workers will go on strike, others will be asked to report to work the day beforehand: Thanksgiving. Nearly 1 million workers will be asked to report to work on the national holiday to keep the store open all day, with Black Friday shopping deals starting at 6 p.m.
The company has admitted that less than half of its workforce makes more than $25,000. But it could easily raise pay by ending stock buybacks or raising the cost of an item like a DVD by a penny. Update
Walmart workers announced on November 21 that the largest Black Friday strikes will take place in Baker, LA; Chicago, IL; Dallas, TX; Los Angeles, CA; Tampa, FL; Minneapolis, MN; Bay Area, CA; Sacramento, CA; Tampa, FL; Washington, DC; Denver CO.
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