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Fourth woman details sexual harassment allegations against Cain
By msnbc.com's Michael O'Brien
A fourth woman, Sharon Bialek, leveled new allegations of sexual harassment against Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain at a press conference on Monday.
Bialek, a former employee of the National Restaurant Association's educational foundation, accused Cain of making an inappropriate advance toward her in 1997, when she visited Cain in Washington, D.C. to seek his assistance in finding a new job. She appeared at a press conference arranged by attorney Gloria Allred.
Bialek accused Cain of touching her in an inappropriate manner during her visit to D.C., where Cain was still serving as president of the restaurant association. When she rebuffed him, Cain said, "You want a job, right?" per Bialek's retelling.
Cain's spokesman denied the new allegations in a statement while the press conference was under way.
"Just as the country finally begins to refocus on our crippling $15 trillion national debt and the unacceptably high unemployment rate, now activist celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred is bringing forth more false accusations against the character of Republican front-runner Herman Cain," said J.D. Gordon, referring to the attorney, Allred, who is representing Bialek.
"All allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false. Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone. Fortunately the American people will not allow Mr. Cain's bold '9-9-9 Plan,' clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks," Gordon added.
Bialek is the fourth woman to have accused Cain of harassment during his tenure as the top official at the restaurant lobby. The association settled with two of them, and a third woman was reported last week by the Associated Press. None of these women have made public their identities, and NBC News hasn't independently verified the stories of the third woman or Bialek.
But Bialek said that the new allegations had prompted her to go public.
"Now I'm coming forward to give a face and a voice to those women who cannot, or, for whatever reasons, do not wish to come forward, and on behalf of all women who are sexually harassed in the workplace but do not come out of fear of retaliation or public humiliation," she said.
"I really didn't want to be here today, and wouldn't have been here if it had not been for the three other women who have alleged sexual harassment against Mr. Cain," she added. "I want you, Mr. Cain, to come clean. Just admit what you did; admit that you were inappropriate to people ... Mr. Cain, I implore you, make this right so you and the country can move forward and focus on the real issues at hand."
Cain's campaign has endured a week's worth of story about accusations regarding sexual harassment, but has steadfastly denied that Cain engaged in any such activities. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Monday found that a majority of Republicans were unconcerned by the allegations.
Allred said that Bialek had no plans to file a lawsuit or sell her story. Bialek said she confronted Cain at a Tea Party event a month ago in Chicago where Cain admitted recognizing her before he was whisked away.
"If all of these allegations by all of the women who have been reported to have made them are true, then I, for one, am disgusted at Mr. Cain's serial sexual harassment of women," said Allred, the famously combative attorney. "Because Mr. Cain, while running for president, is actively lying to Americans, showing disdain for our common sense and intellect."
Sharon Bialek details a 1997 incident in which she alleges she sought help from Herman Cain in finding a job, and experienced a sexually inappropriate incident. NBC News can not verify her claims.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
In fact, it was SO BAD when it happened that they had to wait 10 years to go public with it...ironically during this time! Wow!
Of course, these women dont want attention, money, or possible deals to say or do certain things....no.....no way.
Im not saying he did or didnt do it, but all this...right now...a decade later....yeaahhhhhhhh.
Since it smears a black conservative though, lets roll with it right? This stuff is getting so old, and the media loves it because it takes attention away from the disaster our economy still is. Cant have bad PR for Obama!
Posted by glassman on :
you are trip cash. if this was a Democrat you'd be calling for him to be castrated Posted by glassman on :
BTW cash, you do know that Monica never complained about Bill right? she was "bragging" to a BFF who told somebody else and Anne Coulter ferreted all that out....
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Well glass did you forget monica happened while bill was in office? IN THE OVAL OFFICE!
Cain hasnt been elected, and this happened TEN years ago! If it was so bad why didnt she sue, call the cops, expose him when the situation was fresh.
I tell you what, this just shows that there are some people who are realy worried about cains poll numbers. Could be a democrat or a republican behind the smears.
We will keep seeing them. At least cain wasnt showing pictures of his privates to another woman like anthony weiner did while he was married and in office, or letting your partner run a gay brothel out of a taxpayer funded residence like barney frank.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
And you think a CEO has less of a responsibility to moral conduct? Or do you think that Cain will 'mend his ways' when he sits in the oval chair cause that's what good republicans do, right?
CCM I know you ain't a cop but I know you been in the military. You should know as well as I that most times he said she said don't mean sh&t to a courtroom. We should also know that in harassment cases that don't proceed to actual rape the only thing left is he said she said and maybe a few bruises.
You are being lied to Cash and you are defending the man who is lying to you.
Posted by raybond on :
Something does make a little difference
Clinton was haveing an affair
Weiner was just sending pictures of himself naked ans wearing womens under garments.
Cain on the other hand was harassing other people.
Two of that were paid off when you pay somebody off and sweep everthing under the table it is because you are guilty. I see a trend building up and I think a few more ladies will come out of the wood work. It makes no difference at this point in time if they can or can't prove anything the gears are in motion.
Good- by cain you will be going to that tomatoe paste can.
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
You are being lied to Cash and you are defending the man who is lying to you.
Yeeeeeeeppppppp!!!
Posted by rounder1 on :
I have been in the tank for Cain since the early going. These allegations raise serious questions that deserve vetting; if any can be done at this point. If it proves to be real then he is not a person of character and should not be considered for office.
However, it is somewhat concerning that respondants to this thread are so certain as to the merits of this allegation based on what is available. There are lots of people on this thread telling CCM that he is letting his leanings cloud his perception......come on, guys. If you have decided the truth of these allegations based on what is available then it is you who are allowing your leanings to determine what you perceive as truth.
Based on what is a available about this woman who has come forward and her association with Gloria Allred (even though she claims to be a TEA partier) raises serious questions in and of itself so I am leaning toward "false" on this count. I am infinitly more concerned with the two that actually attempt action back in the day......long before Cain became a presidential candidate.
I have never been accused of anything like this, but as a man I am always wary of this particular brand of character assaination (if it is that).
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: And you think a CEO has less of a responsibility to moral conduct? Or do you think that Cain will 'mend his ways' when he sits in the oval chair cause that's what good republicans do, right?
CCM I know you ain't a cop but I know you been in the military. You should know as well as I that most times he said she said don't mean sh&t to a courtroom. We should also know that in harassment cases that don't proceed to actual rape the only thing left is he said she said and maybe a few bruises.
You are being lied to Cash and you are defending the man who is lying to you.
Again....I am not saying he DID or did NOT do it. I have said this already.
You dont know what happened, so how can you even give me an absolute about me being lied to or not? Were you there? Im talking about the smears, over and over against these candidates.
Posted by glassman on :
i'm not really sure how to break this to you cash.
i can tell you for fact that i know quite a few women who have been treated much worse than the recent claimant claims and refused to do anything about it.
i beleive you will find that people who seek to be "in charge" whether in politics or business are prone this type of behaviour.
what this latest woman claims IS NOT/WAS NOT legally actionable. why would she complain? she didn't work for him, she sought him out, he assumed something he should not (maybe, or mabye not) have and he apparently backed off immediately.
Herman made a common assumption, one of Quid Pro Quo- look it up and get back to me.
as the charges pile up? i beleive them more and more, and i would be willing to bet that any man who actually has real female freinds that are willing to honestly discuss this would know that this behaviour is not uncommon.
He upgraded her hotel and took her out to dinner, this is provable or not, wait and see what steps come to prove those facts or not.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
He had a good response today I thought. See, its not about if it happened or not. It is about how he handles this and moves forward. If he weathers this out, then he can take on anyone.
btw...notice how Michelle Bachmann isnt even getting any notice anymore? She was all over the screen not too long ago. I dont even think she has double digit poll numbers.
Posted by raybond on :
Bachmann,Perry,Trump all have had a run at the top,up and down fast looks like the the republican party is trying to find an answer to Romney who just seems to stay in the mid to upper twenties and goes no further.This tells me he is not the republicans first choice. At this point the Repubs are very confused. LOL to them
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
The woman has a history of filing complaints.
Posted by Lockman on :
What are the other charges against Cain?
Something about he didn't pay a restaurant bill or didn't provide wine with a dinner?
Posted by raybond on :
Cain has two women of the four that filed official complaints to make a complaint official you need three people as a wittness to the offence of harassment,wether racial,sexual,or other. It was that way when I was working.
That is the reason why two of the women were paid off.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
what a witch hunt
Posted by jordanreed on :
its hard for me to believe that any man with wealth and power hasn't sexually harassed a beautiful woman at one time or another. They get hit on all the time. Cain probably thought Heres another one..and went for it. Hey, she came to him to solicit work!..He gave it a shot and it came back to bite him in the azz. Maybe she accepted,maybe not. But why automatically assume that he is innocent? Chances are greater that he,s guilty. In my eyes , He's just being a man...but in todays world you cant do those things and expect to be elected to prez.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
It's called a pattern of behavior and it is one of the main things you try to find when looking for a possible criminal history.
Theft, Harassment, Fraud, Abuse...these activities are habitual.
Once someone gets away with taking a bill out of a drawer a few times and gets used to it...every single time they see an unattended bill lying out they are going to be tempted to take it.
Same with sexual harassment. Once a man has successfully used his power and money to get sexual favors it can become habitual to attempt to do so with any unattended woman he finds attractive.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Here is a surprise! (sarcasm)
so sad-... historical behaviour (real or imagined) of women is why they refuse to press charges more often than not.
she wore the wrong clothes, has a tattoo, peircing- etc etc...
as to filing complaints? it is fact that women make 75% of what men do for the same work as a natioanl avg. they all pretty much have a ratioanl complaint to file and the ones that DO SO are the exception rather than hte rule, and yo just made the case for them not complaining cash.. cuz they get "labeled"...
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Here is a surprise! (sarcasm)
so sad-... historical behaviour (real or imagined) of women is why they refuse to press charges more often than not.
she wore the wrong clothes, has a tattoo, peircing- etc etc...
as to filing complaints? it is fact that women make 75% of what men do for the same work as a natioanl avg. they all pretty much have a ratioanl complaint to file and the ones that DO SO are the exception rather than hte rule, and yo just made the case for them not complaining cash.. cuz they get "labeled"...
think about all the lives that have been ruined based on false claims. guilty before innocent is what this looks like right now...im surprised as so adamant you all are about proof and undeniable facts you are going on reasonable suspicion or even less than that.
Posted by glassman on :
.im surprised as so adamant you all are about proof and undeniable facts you are going on reasonable suspicion or even less than that.
cash, show me where i've said herman is guilty of anything. as amatter of fact? i don't see Herman being judged guilty.
i have neither defended nor said anything against him in this.
you are the one attacking the women. never mind that the two we know about are lifelong registered GOP's...
attacking the victim is age-old stuff.... that's what i am telling you....
i am watching the Penn State case unfold right now. football fans rioted when paterno got fired.
that's about the same as attacking the victims IMO...
we know that the Restaurant association paid off two victims. We know that confidentiality was part of the settlement. I for one did not beleive Cain when he said the details of the settlements were unknown to him. In fact? I find that impossible. At best it shows he didn't care. At worst it shows he lies.
the article you linked said "Three former supervisors familiar with Kraushaar's complaint, which did not include a claim of sexual harassment, described it for the AP under condition of anonymity because the matter was handled internally by the agency and was not public."
? LOL... i'll beleive the women who have come forward first. In fact speaking anonyomously about Federal greivances may be a violation of the law. I do not beleive that federal greivances are private either. If they are? They should not be since we pay their wages in taxes right?
i happen to know for fact that women get paid less because they complain less in general cash.
Posted by jordanreed on :
these women have nothing to gain by lying..and lots to lose...Cain has everything to gain b y denying....why assume cain is innocent?..why not assume the women are innocent?...after all cain is accusing them of lying. I cant assume he is correct. My judgement is that he totally made sexual advances. makes the most sense.
Posted by glassman on :
i had an acquaintance once (when iw as 19) that asked almost every woman he met to sleep with him. he got slapped more than he got laid, but he got laid alot more than anybody else i knew including me-... i would never have considered this guy a real friend because of his attitude, but circumstances put us together alot and i did enjoy his company for the most part...
he took the slaps and (to my knowledge) took "no" as a matter of course- his attitude was that he was just asking... and as long as he accepted no for no, i don't think he did anything bad... amoral maybe, but not immoral...
the problem is that with some people a simple "no" is not enough..
the case of the woman that was looking for a job, Cain should'n'a put his hands on, but she says he took "no" for the answer... i beleive she knew she was on a "date" too, and didn't come forward with an "official" complaint because she knew she had put herself in compromising position. I also beleive she came forward to show courage to other women who may have had more trouble with "no" than she did..
that in and of itself would not make me vote for or against someone, however, if he'd torn her dress or blouse? i would have problems with that...
the question in my mind is this- if my friend had been a supervisor and asked? i woulda told him he screwed up... Clinton screewed up IMO BECAUSE he was the boss, and Monica, even tho she was "volunteering" was very young and his employee, ...
the settelement by the restaraunt association was deFacto admission of guilt... non-diclosure agreements in general botherme, just like paying fines (glaxo-smith-kline) withut admitting guillt are wrong.... in any case, when the restaurant ass. setteld? they admited wrong-doing, plain and simple, and there's no way around that...
Posted by raybond on :
Cain’s Lawyer Warns Other Accusers To ‘Think Twice’ Before Coming Forward Or They’ll Be Smeared Too
By Marie Diamond on Nov 10, 2011 at 5:10 pm
A story in today’s New York Times offers a disturbing look at the smear tactics and threats the Cain campaign is using to intimidate the four women accusing the candidate of sexual harassment, and any women that might come forward in the future:
L. Lin Wood, the lawyer hired by the Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain to fend off sexual harassment accusations, has warned that any other women who might be considering coming forward with similar allegations “should think twice.”
On Wednesday morning, less than 24 hours after Karen Kraushaar identified herself as one of two women who had received monetary settlements relating to harassment allegations against Mr. Cain while working for the National Restaurant Association in the late 1990s, Ms. Kraushaar faced questions about a workplace complaint she filed at a subsequent job… Hours later, Rush Limbaugh seized on that report to argue that Ms. Kraushaar has “a pattern of whining.” [...]
[S]he and the others confronted the challenges of taking on a presidential candidate: intensive scrutiny of their backgrounds and motives, encouraged and amplified in this case by conservative news outlets and commentators whose support for Mr. Cain as he battles the allegations has helped him weather the crisis so far.
Cain and his defenders aren’t bothering to conceal their intention to silence would-be accusers with bullying. The campaign has hired investigators to dig up dirt on the women. Many respected media outlets are becoming willing accomplices in the diversion of questioning the alleged victims rather than investigating Cain’s conduct.
The insulting assumption behind the AP’s decision to investigate and report on Kraushaar’s past in the first place is, of course, that her credibility is diminished because she had problems with another employer. Besides the fact that the other complaint had nothing to do with sexual harassment, it’s also absurd to think that the same woman couldn’t experience hostile situations in two workplaces.
According to one report, one in ten women in the workplace will at some point be “promised promotion or better treatment if they [are] ‘sexually cooperative‘” with a co-worker or supervisor. Kraushaar didn’t want to come forward but was publicly outed against her will. Instead of becoming a passive voice in the media maelstorm, she chose to accept the situation and tell her story.
Sharon Bialeck, the first woman to go public with her accusation, also had every detail of her past and financial history picked over — nevermind that she has shown no intention of suing Cain for money. During a press conference this week, Cain said he couldn’t remember meeting Bialeck, yet called her “troubled,” out for money, and part of a “Democrat machine” out to destroy him. Bialeck and Kraushaar are both registered Republicans. Fully aware of the attacks they would face, they say they spoke out because they felt compelled to inform Americans about a leading presidential candidate’s actions and character.
Conservatives’ knee-jerk reaction has been to blame the women before learning anything about them. Republicans have suggested that what Cain allegedly did wasn’t so bad, that sexual harassment doesn’t even exist or is only, in Rush Limbaugh’s words, “a political tool of the left to get rid of people, or to score money gains.” A New York Post columnist called Bialek a “gold digger” who “flirted like a tart” with Cain.
Sadly, the smear campaign Cain’s accusers are facing is exactly the reason many women don’t report incidents of rape or harassment. They fear they won’t be believed or taken seriously, and may well suffer retribution for filing complaints. That message is only reinforced for women watching the persecution of Cain’s accusers, who may conclude that reporting assaults is not worth the risk of public shaming.
Rape and sexual assault are two of the most under-reported crimes, with fully 60 percent of cases not reported to police. Women know that if they press charges or go public, they may be called “sluts” and have their sexual pasts used against them — which is why many states have rape shield laws to protect victims from having irrelevant facts jeopardize their ability to get a fair hearing.
The Cain campaign’s deplorable tactics are already having their desired affect: Kraushaar told friends that all the scrutiny might keep the other women from speaking out with her
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
This falls in similiar lines with Penn State except that is really really really awfull.
Power and money makes some people think they have a right to do anything.
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Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i had an acquaintance once (when iw as 19) that asked almost every woman he met to sleep with him. he got slapped more than he got laid, but he got laid alot more than anybody else i knew including me-... i would never have considered this guy a real friend because of his attitude, but circumstances put us together alot and i did enjoy his company for the most part...
he took the slaps and (to my knowledge) took "no" as a matter of course- his attitude was that he was just asking... and as long as he accepted no for no, i don't think he did anything bad... amoral maybe, but not immoral...
the problem is that with some people a simple "no" is not enough..
the case of the woman that was looking for a job, Cain should'n'a put his hands on, but she says he took "no" for the answer... i beleive she knew she was on a "date" too, and didn't come forward with an "official" complaint because she knew she had put herself in compromising position. I also beleive she came forward to show courage to other women who may have had more trouble with "no" than she did..
that in and of itself would not make me vote for or against someone, however, if he'd torn her dress or blouse? i would have problems with that...
the question in my mind is this- if my friend had been a supervisor and asked? i woulda told him he screwed up... Clinton screewed up IMO BECAUSE he was the boss, and Monica, even tho she was "volunteering" was very young and his employee, ...
the settelement by the restaraunt association was deFacto admission of guilt... non-diclosure agreements in general botherme, just like paying fines (glaxo-smith-kline) withut admitting guillt are wrong.... in any case, when the restaurant ass. setteld? they admited wrong-doing, plain and simple, and there's no way around that...
not a bad analysis, and, on the fly, I'm gonna go with it.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
anyone else been watchin this debate tonight?
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
At least cain doesnt go around lying about his twitter account being hacked and a bunch of gross pictures are flying around the net of him. Cough cough...anothy weiner.
Posted by T e x on :
In the big picture, Cain doesn't matter. Sure, if he practiced sexual harassment, he should pay the price, as the Penn State folk--and, apparently another campus...breaking news...
Anyway? The only other thing he's really known for is that ridonkulous 9 thing.
All the shattered ("don't mind the maggots") GOP wonks are trying to do with Cain is say: "Hey, look, we got a Blackie, too!"
Come on.
Give me at least a piece of a break, here.
Nobody's that stupid, right?
Posted by jordanreed on :
exactly!
Posted by raybond on :
I don't know how stupid anybody is. All I can say is listen to the Republican debates and you can hear a whole ripe crop of stupid.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: I don't know how stupid anybody is. All I can say is listen to the Republican debates and you can hear a whole ripe crop of stupid.
i watched the GOP debates in 99 and '00- there is only more people being stupid this time...
when you examine the intelectual side? it get's even creepier...
nobody thinks Newt is stupid, yet he has track reord of being a "mean" person in the owrst sense. leaving his wife with cancer, (Edwrds too) and don't forget his 300,000$ fine by congress ethics...
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Looks pretty bad for herman cain right now.
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Looks pretty bad for herman cain right now.
Do you still think all those women are liars? Or have you changed your opinion?
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By Glassman:
"nobody thinks Newt is stupid, yet he has track reord of being a "mean" person in the owrst sense. leaving his wife with cancer, (Edwrds too) and don't forget his 300,000$ fine by congress ethics..." -------------------------------------------------
How low can one person go, it makes you wonder when you hear things like this.
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Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Originally Posted By Glassman:
"nobody thinks Newt is stupid, yet he has track reord of being a "mean" person in the owrst sense. leaving his wife with cancer, (Edwrds too) and don't forget his 300,000$ fine by congress ethics..." -------------------------------------------------
How low can one person go, it makes you wonder when you hear things like this.
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Honestly...I think he is more of a distraction to the GOP(as Herman Cain has become) than anything else. Both are un-electable. Which weakens the entire GOP field.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By Pagan:
"Honestly...I think he is more of a distraction to the GOP(as Herman Cain has become) than anything else. Both are un-electable. Which weakens the entire GOP field. _________________________________________________
I hope that is the case, at least from what i have read. I don't really have much interest in this junk anymore, you see all the things come up day after day. (sports,religion,politics,business etc.)
People that get caught up in their power and ego's and think they will never be caught.
It appears there are more and more scumbags running around and we catch very few, that's the scary part.
How about a few of these people just become decent human beings wouldn't that be a nice change.
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