thats pretty much all people of science have to say. It does not really suprise me.I do like to read up on there explanations.
As for my view I am a person of faith and a Christian some would laugh and cal me a sucker but that is what I am.
And Hawking is one of my favorite people
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Isnt he making a God-like statement by saying that?
Posted by T e x on :
I was trying to listen to that on radio yesterday, but couldn't quite follow along.
Anyway, whatever's behind creation, *that's* God.
Posted by Lockman on :
I don't believe he said "God didn't create the universe"....he said the universe didn't need a god to be created.
Posted by Relentless. on :
He's referring to this universe in it's current phase. The universe as we perceive it is only a moment in the life of what can be likened to a beating heart. That is if you are one who believes in the reach of gravity over velocity... That is if you have time to think so small.
Truth is Hawkings is limited by his desire to make his theories embrace a Christian traced deity.
The guy is brilliant now that he's locked into his mind... Sadly he is weakened by his adoration of a notion that he belongs to a belief that has no scientific merit. Society is weakened by listening to him without knowing or understanding his logic defeating weakness.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: thats pretty much all people of science have to say.
However, it would also seem that Einstein was not an atheist, since he also complained about being put into that camp:
"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."
The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."
LOL... now read Hawkings actaul quote:
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
both men agree. there is order in the universe, we can count on laws working the same way every time.
i propose that order is created by God. Gods laws CANNOT be broken. Any law that can be broken is mans law, no matter how much people try to convince you that their God made that law. That SF, is one of the most important basis points for Deism...
if you go back? Eisntein says he's not an atheist, or a Pantheist. that simply means he does not refute the existence of GOD and he does not belevie that the Universe IS God...
he also said that:
There is a religious motive for doing science, but it does not entail a belief in a personal God.
in other words? he beleived that the more better he understood the Universe, the more better he might understand the "thoughts" of the Creator who was the law-giver. He states that the God is not "only his God" (a personal God) which means we all share that God and that God is not the Universe.
he also said:
There is no necessary conflict between science and religion if the nature of religion is properly understood.
he's questioning other peoples proper understanding of what religion is..
lately i have been too since so many people think the Founders were not Deists...