Deputy U.S. Attorney General nominee linked to porn industry
Washington D.C., Feb 5, 2009 / 06:49 am (CNA).- President Barack Obama’s selection of David Ogden to become Deputy Attorney General is being criticized because of Ogden’s links to the pornography industry.
A brief from the Chicago-based pro-family group Fidelis reports that Ogden has represented pornography businesses such as Playboy Enterprises and Penthouse Magazine.
He opposed the Children’s Internet Protection Act of 2000 as counsel of record for an amicus brief supporting the American Library Association in a case that challenged mandatory anti-obscenity internet filters in public libraries.
In the 1986 case American Council for the Blind v. Boorstin, he successfully sought a court order forcing the Library of Congress to use taxpayer funds to print Playboy Magazine’s articles in Braille.
Ogden also successfully challenged laws requiring pornography producers to personally verify that models were over 18 at the time their materials were made. According to the Fidelis brief, he argued that the decision would “burden too heavily and infringe too deeply on the right to produce First Amendment protected material.”
In other areas, Ogden has argued for homosexuals in the military and an unlimited abortion license.
In an amicus brief for the 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision which reaffirmed Roe v. Wade’s mandating of permissive abortion laws, Ogden argued that abortion “rarely causes or exacerbates psychological or emotional problems.”
“The few women who do experience negative psychological responses after abortion appear to be those with preexisting emotional problems,” he continued.
He argued that evidence shows abortion is more likely to make women “experience feelings of relief and happiness” and claimed childbirth and childrearing or adoption may pose “concomitant (if not greater) risks or adverse psychological effects” compared to the effects of abortion.
In a Wednesday press release, Brian Burch, President of Fidelis, called Ogden “a hired gun from Playboy and ACLU.”
“Ogden’s record is nothing short of obscene,” he charged, adding: “David Ogden has collected checks from Playboy and Penthouse to fight reasonable protections for parents and children from pornography.”
“He can’t run from his long record of opposing common sense laws protecting families, women, and children. The United States Senate has a responsibility to the American people to ensure that Mr. Ogden’s full record is fully reviewed before any vote on his nomination.”
“A vast majority of Americans support parental notification before a minor’s abortion and protecting kids from Internet pornography in our libraries,” Burch continued. “Yet David Ogden has fought tooth and nail against these common sense laws protecting our children from harm. At a time when America’s families are under increasing assault, Mr. Ogden is a dangerous choice for a position whose responsibilities include the enforcement of our nation’s laws.”
According to a July 2008 essay in New Yorker Magazine Ogden is not the only one with ties to the pornography industry.
The essay reported that Christine Hefner, who then headed Playboy Enterprises, played a role in supporting Barack Obama’s political career as early as 2002. Her support began after she met him at a gathering of an influential Chicago women’s group called Ladies Who Lunch.
“I was very proud to be able to introduce him during the Senate race to a lot of people who have turned out to be important and valuable to him, not just here but in New York and L.A.,” Hefner told New Yorker writer Ryan Lizza.
“I try and think about people who I think should know him,” Hefner said.
In the 1986 case American Council for the Blind v. Boorstin, he successfully sought a court order forcing the Library of Congress to use taxpayer funds to print Playboy Magazine’s articles in Braille.
LOL... streeeetch.......
sheesh... i'd show you some real porn but i doubt that i have to...
In a Wednesday press release, Brian Burch, President of Fidelis, called Ogden “a hired gun from Playboy and ACLU.”
the ACLU defended Rush limabaugh too.. which i think was mistake.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
well even rush has his right to speech.
Still Glass, the point is...FBI raids last week, tax evasion by others, all of these Obama appointees are a piece of work.
Posted by glassman on :
the FBI is doing it's job... the raid last week was in the former offices of the appointee, but not for or after the appointee.
there's corruption everywhere. and the dems are not immune any more than the GOP...
the question is will the DOJ do it's job or not..
under Bush? the DOJ became a political tool... Gonzalez should prolly be prosecuted for some of the things he did. we have evidence here (thanks to you) that Obama is not telling the FBI to stay away...
rush was defended by the ACLU on the drug charges. they believed his medical records were private. IMO, his rants about how awful teh ACLU is are the reason they should have ignored his case...
they will defend him because they beleive in principles and not personalities..
we live in the age of the cult of personality and principles seem to be a thing of the past....
Posted by glassman on :
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh (search) probably never expected the American Civil Liberties Union (search) to become one of his staunch supporters.
But the privacy rights group was on his side Monday when its Florida branch filed a "friend-of-court" motion on behalf of Limbaugh arguing state officials were wrong in seizing his medical records for their drug probe.
"For many people, it may seem odd that the ACLU has come to the defense of Rush Limbaugh," ACLU of Florida Executive Director Howard Simon said in a released statement.
"But we have always said that the ACLU's real client is the Bill of Rights, and we will continue to safeguard the values of equality, fairness and privacy for everyone, regardless of race, economic status or political point of view," Simon said.
The ACLU contends that state law enforcement officers violated Limbaugh's privacy rights by taking possession of his medical records as part of their criminal investigation into the commentator's alleged "doctor-shopping" to feed his prescription-drug addiction. Investigators seized the records last month after discovering that Limbaugh received more than 2,000 painkillers, prescribed by four doctors, at a pharmacy near his Palm Beach mansion.
The ACLU said it was trying to "to vindicate every Floridian's fundamental right to privacy by ensuring that the state be required to comply" with the law.
Obama: Just another politician except this is one who was raised in Chicago urban politics.
Posted by jordanreed on :
I disagree with you on that one cow...
Obama's organizing history may give few clues about what policies he would pursue as President, but Obama the presidential candidate still shows his roots--a faith in ordinary citizens, a quest for common ground and a pragmatic inclination toward defining issues in winnable ways. Even when Obama was an organizer, Augustine-Herron told him he would be the nation's first black President. Now the Rev. Alvin Love, whom Obama recruited to DCP, looks at his candidacy and says, "Everything I see reflects that community organizing experience. I see the consensus-building, his connection to people and listening to their needs and trying to find common ground. I think at his heart Barack is a community organizer. I think what he's doing now is that. It's just a larger community to be organized. "http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070416/moberg
Hes more about helping us to get on the right path..He has always been concerned about helping people,communities.etc..he needed to get into politics as a way to get a handle on the source of the problems and weed out the bad...read that article if you really care about what you speak..
Posted by jordanreed on :
heres a little more..
So what exactly would Obama's critics do differently? Nothing on the bailout side. Instead, they have settled for carping criticism of the stimulus package, playing games by nitpicking lesser-cost programs while ignoring the big items that most governors, be they Republican or Democrat, eagerly want. The great fear of the GOP seems to be that some of the stimulus program might actually prove helpful to struggling Americans, but the Republicans can't just come out of the closet and say so.
What they have picked up on instead is that Obama's tax cuts provide some redistribution of income to favor the rapidly disappearing middle class at the expense of the super-wealthy, who have profited wildly from Bush tax cuts. Which brings us back to Gingrich's complaint that Obama is importing European socialism. If that means a system of governance in which a robust middle class is rewarded for work with a strong social safety net supported by higher taxes on the most affluent, well, let's get it on. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090323/scheer Posted by T e x on :
at this point, the whiney, harping critics don't really matter. They're like kids, outside in the yard, jibbering, while we adults in the house have business to tend...
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:The great fear of the GOP seems to be that some of the stimulus program might actually prove helpful to struggling Americans, but the Republicans can't just come out of the closet and say so.
That's ridiculous! The big difference is that conservatives want to teach people to fish. The socialists want to give people a little bite of fish each day so that they are dependent on the government.
quote:What they have picked up on instead is that Obama's tax cuts provide some redistribution of income to favor the rapidly disappearing middle class at the expense of the super-wealthy, who have profited wildly from Bush tax cuts.
Also ridiculous! Obama hasn't done ANYTHING to help the middle class (unless you consider temporarily getting an extra $13 in your pay check to be "favor" from the Messiah). Yeah, that will help the middle class! LOL! Maybe if they save up for two weeks, they can go out for pizza!!!!!
quote:Which brings us back to Gingrich's complaint that Obama is importing European socialism. If that means a system of governance in which a robust middle class is rewarded for work with a strong social safety net supported by higher taxes on the most affluent, well, let's get it on.
Europe doesn't have a robust middle class. They have a robust class of deadbeats, which is why Europe has become irrelevant and impotent on the world stage. Work? What are you talking about. Obama is not promoting work - he's promoting welfare and increasing handouts for those that are too lazy to work! How is pushing a cap and trade system that will cost the middle class MUCH MORE in energy costs "helping"? How is spending trillions of dollars that will need to be repaid by the middle class "helping"? How is increasing taxes on the rich and on business "helping" when that will result in even more jobs moving overseas? Obama is an socialist and he is going to DESTROY the country!
Don't worry though Jordan, there will be plenty of handouts for you if you're content to sit home and watch soap operas all day, every day. Enjoy your new "middle class" life!
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:The great fear of the GOP seems to be that some of the stimulus program might actually prove helpful to struggling Americans, but the Republicans can't just come out of the closet and say so.
That's ridiculous! The big difference is that conservatives want to teach people to fish. The socialists want to give people a little bite of fish each day so that they are dependent on the government.
quote:What they have picked up on instead is that Obama's tax cuts provide some redistribution of income to favor the rapidly disappearing middle class at the expense of the super-wealthy, who have profited wildly from Bush tax cuts.
Also ridiculous! Obama hasn't done ANYTHING to help the middle class (unless you consider temporarily getting an extra $13 in your pay check to be "favor" from the Messiah). Yeah, that will help the middle class! LOL! Maybe if they save up for two weeks, they can go out for pizza!!!!!
quote:Which brings us back to Gingrich's complaint that Obama is importing European socialism. If that means a system of governance in which a robust middle class is rewarded for work with a strong social safety net supported by higher taxes on the most affluent, well, let's get it on.
Europe doesn't have a robust middle class. They have a robust class of deadbeats, which is why Europe has become irrelevant and impotent on the world stage. Work? What are you talking about. Obama is not promoting work - he's promoting welfare and increasing handouts for those that are too lazy to work! How is pushing a cap and trade system that will cost the middle class MUCH MORE in energy costs "helping"? How is spending trillions of dollars that will need to be repaid by the middle class "helping"? How is increasing taxes on the rich and on business "helping" when that will result in even more jobs moving overseas? Obama is an socialist and he is going to DESTROY the country!
Don't worry though Jordan, there will be plenty of handouts for you if you're contend to sit home and watch soap operas all day, every day. Enjoy your new "middle class" life!
"at this point, the whiney, harping critics don't really matter. They're like kids, outside in the yard, jibbering, while we adults in the house have business to tend..."
Yep, jabbering at the top of their lungs again, still playing the standard right-wing game of talking louder and interrupting so as to keep any opinion contrary to the word from one the masters, Fat Rush, Hanity, Coulter, Chanay, etc., from being heard.
It's wrong to say it gets old .......... it GOT GOT OLD years ago and it insults intelligence, even more so when it comes from a pure jerk!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:That's ridiculous! The big difference is that conservatives want to teach people to fish. The socialists want to give people a little bite of fish each day so that they are dependent on the government.
We true conservatives fight for policies that will allow people to safely eat fish again.
Posted by bdgee on :
Too often, just as with picking a religion, people that have no idea what it is all about claim to be conservative when they aren't even close, just because it is what they hear all day and they feel like fitting in. Peer pressure doesn't stop with rampant acne.
Posted by jordanreed on :
one thing I do know is..and I'll say it again..
I trust Obama with trying to help america and pointing the right way and not concern himself with personal agendas,.... WAAAY more than ccm,pms,ann,hannity,or any of the talking heads,for that matter, or me or beeg or glass or tex..no offense boys..
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Your Kool Aid is strong.....
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: That's ridiculous! The big difference is that conservatives want to teach people to fish. The socialists want to give people a little bite of fish each day so that they are dependent on the government.
you're FOS,
the GOP took over and the average household income in America went down. that's EVERYBODY...
the top 1% household income went up 300% but overall everybody's income went down... the top 1% whose income went up kept the overall decrease from being even worse. then, even they lost almost half of their savings... teach people to fish my ass, you're nothing but a rubber worm salesman.
i know, now you say Bush is a socialist, but you didn't say that until a month before he was leaving office. after 8 whole years.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: That's ridiculous! The big difference is that conservatives want to teach people to fish. The socialists want to give people a little bite of fish each day so that they are dependent on the government.
you're FOS,
the GOP took over and the average household income in America went down. that's EVERYBODY...
the top 1% household income went up 300% but overall everybody's income went down... the top 1% whose income went up kept the overall decrease from being even worse. then, even they lost almost half of their savings... teach people to fish my ass, you're nothing but a rubber worm salesman.
i know, now you say Bush is a socialist, but you didn't say that until a month before he was leaving office. after 8 whole years.
ddannnnnngggggggg
Posted by bdgee on :
Can't agree, glass....
Plastic and rubber worms are useful baits and it's impossible to believe anything useful could be sponsored, fostered, or offered by him. I think useful is outside his mean nasty demeanor.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:i know, now you say Bush is a socialist, but you didn't say that until a month before he was leaving office. after 8 whole years.
Bush acted like a RINO until just before he left office, when he put his socialist leanings on display for all to see.
I find it interesting that you lefties once again posted your usual hate-filled name-calling and gibberish, but no one attempted to refute the fact that Obama is NOT helping the middle class.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:i know, now you say Bush is a socialist, but you didn't say that until a month before he was leaving office. after 8 whole years.
Bush acted like a RINO until just before he left office, when he put his socialist leanings on display for all to see.
I find it interesting that you lefties once again posted your usual hate-filled name-calling and gibberish, but no one attempted to refute the fact that Obama is NOT helping the middle class.
It doesn't need refuting, dumbbutt, like it isn't necessary to refute every fool that wants to claim that Babe Ruth was a poor hitter or that Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:i know, now you say Bush is a socialist, but you didn't say that until a month before he was leaving office. after 8 whole years.
Bush acted like a RINO until just before he left office, when he put his socialist leanings on display for all to see.
I find it interesting that you lefties once again posted your usual hate-filled name-calling and gibberish, but no one attempted to refute the fact that Obama is NOT helping the middle class.
well lesseee? Obama has been in office for what? 55 day or so? i stick to facts as much as possible.. it's a wee bit soon to be deciding how he's done.. or if what he's done will help..
my general attitude is that the govt can't really help th e oconmy, but they can hurt it bad. and Bush's 8 years of so-called conservative policy destroyed it
you on the other hand just cough up furballs over and over....
Posted by raybond on :
Bush 2 is a free loading fascist hate him from day one.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:well lesseee? Obama has been in office for what? 55 day or so? i stick to facts as much as possible.. it's a wee bit soon to be deciding how he's done.. or if what he's done will help..
You're kidding - right? It's certainly not too soon to judge whether his policies will help the middle class. How is pushing a cap and trade system that will cost the middle class MUCH MORE in energy costs "helping"? How is spending trillions of dollars that will need to be repaid by the middle class "helping"? How is increasing taxes on the rich and on business "helping" when that will result in even more jobs moving overseas?
The answer: Obama is NOT helping the middle class. He's taking money FROM the middle class and giving it to the lazy.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:well lesseee? Obama has been in office for what? 55 day or so? i stick to facts as much as possible.. it's a wee bit soon to be deciding how he's done.. or if what he's done will help..
You're kidding - right? It's certainly not too soon to judge whether his policies will help the middle class. How is pushing a cap and trade system that will cost the middle class MUCH MORE in energy costs "helping"? How is spending trillions of dollars that will need to be repaid by the middle class "helping"? How is increasing taxes on the rich and on business "helping" when that will result in even more jobs moving overseas?
The answer: Obama is NOT helping the middle class. He's taking money FROM the middle class and giving it to the lazy.
Then you stand to reap a fortune!
Posted by Propertymanager on :
I make the same amount of money whether the rent comes from an honest, hard-working lower-middle class tenant or a lazy deadbeat getting government handouts.
Posted by jordanreed on :
who cares?
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: I make the same amount of money whether the rent comes from an honest, hard-working lower-middle class tenant or a lazy deadbeat getting government handouts.
I object to AIG stuffing the pockets of its favored and I object to you siphoning off funds from the treasury. Such funding should be never be allowed to elitist scum and social deadbeats. You and your kind are like massive ugly scars across the face of a child.
Posted by raybond on :
Keep it up pm your turn in the barrel might be comming
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:well lesseee? Obama has been in office for what? 55 day or so? i stick to facts as much as possible.. it's a wee bit soon to be deciding how he's done.. or if what he's done will help..
You're kidding - right? It's certainly not too soon to judge whether his policies will help the middle class. How is pushing a cap and trade system that will cost the middle class MUCH MORE in energy costs "helping"? How is spending trillions of dollars that will need to be repaid by the middle class "helping"? How is increasing taxes on the rich and on business "helping" when that will result in even more jobs moving overseas?
The answer: Obama is NOT helping the middle class. He's taking money FROM the middle class and giving it to the lazy.
judge? you judge? LOL.. now that is funny.
you don't anything to make a judgement from.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:who cares?
You should care Jordan. YOU should care that Obama is DESTROYING the middle class, which is in direct contradiction to his campaign promises. YOU should care that everyone in the middle class is getting a tax increase instead of a tax cut as Obama promised. YOU should care that your gas and fuel bills will drastically increase if Obama gets his cap and trade program through. YOU should care that the YOUR tax dollars are expanding the welfare state and that YOU are paying me rent for the lazy!
quote:Such funding should be never be allowed to elitist scum and social deadbeats. You and your kind are like massive ugly scars across the face of a child.
You're funny Bdgee! You and your leftie friends are the very people that are providing that money to me, so that lazy deadbeats can sit home all day long drinking beer and watching their big screen tv's!
Posted by glassman on :
Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so. Ronald Reagan
the problem with our so-called "conservative" friends today is that they are ignorant.
glassy eyed bozo
Posted by bdgee on :
Ain't it strange. Pm is trying to hide his lust for the very wealthy and now by claiming he is singing a song of saving the middle class. Poor dumb bigot.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Ain't it strange. Pm is trying to hide his lust for the very wealthy and now by claiming he is singing a song of saving the middle class. Poor dumb bigot.
yeah i noticed that too..
must be a new RNC bulletin out...
"current strategy total failure, must appeal to the middle again, somehow"...
Posted by Propertymanager on :
I have no lust for the very wealthy, however, I do have a genuine dislike for having my money subsidize the lazy. I believe that people have the right to be lazy, but they should suffer the consequences of their choices - WITHOUT ANY SUBSIDY FROM ME!
Posted by bdgee on :
Just about ever racial bigot I ever knew claimed he wasn't. They all seem to have some sort of contrived excuse that supposedly justifies their hatred and nastiness.
PM likes to think he is being rational and conservative, when in fact, whether or not he can see it, he truly hates anyone that isn't rich, simply because hey aren't rich and so far as being a conservative or being rational, he has no sense of what either might be. I suspect he is like the guy with sexual preferences he feels he has to hide and so is the first to volunteer for a night scouting for queers in the local bars to beat the sh-t out of. Poor Pm wants so bad not to be a common folk.
PM, being a tight assed stingy jerk will not let you into the upper class or the welthy.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Just about ever racial bigot I ever knew claimed he wasn't. They all seem to have some sort of contrived excuse that supposedly justifies their hatred and nastiness.
PM likes to think he is being rational and conservative, when in fact, whether or not he can see it, he truly hates anyone that isn't rich, simply because hey aren't rich and so far as being a conservative or being rational, he has no sense of what either might be. I suspect he is like the guy with sexual preferences he feels he has to hide and so is the first to volunteer for a night scouting for queers in the local bars to beat the sh-t out of. Poor Pm wants so bad not to be a common folk.
PM, being a tight assed stingy jerk will not let you into the upper class or the welthy.
Not much you can say about someone who's only communicative ability is to smear, and call people names like a child. It never fails in a bdgee post to remind you that.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: I have no lust for the very wealthy, however, I do have a genuine dislike for having my money subsidize the lazy. I believe that people have the right to be lazy, but they should suffer the consequences of their choices - WITHOUT ANY SUBSIDY FROM ME!
considering how the Govt has no intention, and i mean this seriuosly. they have ZIPPO intention of ever running a budget surplus? your tax dollars do not go to subsidise the lazy.
the govt just gives it away and it goes into the hands of the people that want it enough to work for it, it goes into our hands very easily as matter of fact. that old saying easy come easy go is true... people who don't earn money the hard way lose respect for it and then lose it completely.
the lazy are a hassle at work, they reduce overall productivity. Many even end up as managers cuz they have thier noses so far up somebody's butt that they are given the jobs.
all the while? some of us are out there making the co money, instead of playing yes man (another word for "dittohead" ) to the boss. If the boss wasn't lazy too? the dead wood wouldn't be there at all, but bosses are way too often too busy listening to people that agree with them all the time. who wants to hire lazy people? NOBODY! it's cheaper to give them enough money to stay the hell out of the way of productive people.
i've seen it over and over again. that's why i struck out on my own years ago.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
That's all he's got CCM - smears and name-calling. I've noticed that he almost never comments on the subject of the post - because there's no substance to him. Several of the other lefties aren't very far behind!
It's ironic that they accuse us of being hate-filled; racist; homophobic, etc, and yet they are the ones that do the name-calling. RIDICULOUS!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: That's all he's got CCM - smears and name-calling. I've noticed that he almost never comments on the subject of the post - because there's no substance to him. Several of the other lefties aren't very far behind!
It's ironic that they accuse us of being hate-filled; racist; homophobic, etc, and yet they are the ones that do the name-calling. RIDICULOUS!
yawn... it takes two to tango. go tango somewhere else.
Posted by raybond on :
you are all of the above
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: That's all he's got CCM - smears and name-calling. I've noticed that he almost never comments on the subject of the post - because there's no substance to him. Several of the other lefties aren't very far behind!
It's ironic that they accuse us of being hate-filled; racist; homophobic, etc, and yet they are the ones that do the name-calling. RIDICULOUS!
yawn... it takes two to tango. go tango somewhere else.
You are right about two to tango Glass, and with that said even thought most here do not agree with PM he stays on subject with what he believes. Instead look at bdgee, he gets off track and goes straight to name calling and individualized attacks. All he ever has done, and probably all he will ever do. You know this, I know you do.
Do I want to silence bdgee? No, of course not. It is just sad you can not truly discuss or debate anything with him without him losing control and becoming emotionally unstable in conversation.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: That's all he's got CCM - smears and name-calling. I've noticed that he almost never comments on the subject of the post - because there's no substance to him. Several of the other lefties aren't very far behind!
It's ironic that they accuse us of being hate-filled; racist; homophobic, etc, and yet they are the ones that do the name-calling. RIDICULOUS!
yawn... it takes two to tango. go tango somewhere else.
You are right about two to tango Glass, and with that said even thought most here do not agree with PM he stays on subject with what he believes. Instead look at bdgee, he gets off track and goes straight to name calling and individualized attacks. All he ever has done, and probably all he will ever do. You know this, I know you do.
Do I want to silence bdgee? No, of course not. It is just sad you can not truly discuss or debate anything with him without him losing control and becoming emotionally unstable in conversation.
actaully cash? i've never seen PM post about anything but his basic hate for people, except once when he mentioned he has a saltwater fishtank. heveils it in terms that sound OK to him, but it isn't OK... it is hate mongering
all of this BS is ruining the chat room. and that's his goal. cuz he hates.
to be honest? i dunno why you are so upset about the Dems winning everything, the GOP lost fair and square, because so many GOP's were NOT doing their job and or breaking the law, that's how the GOP lost power.
it wasn't some vast conspiracy to make them look bad. the Congress was more bipartisan when the Dems were out of control than it is now, and that is nobody's fault but the GOP's.
the gOP is dead, and it ain't coming back with hate mongers like rush limugger leading the way.
politics is not complicated. there's the left, the right, and the middle. whichever of the left or the right gets the middle to go with them? they win.
it's that simple. take it to heart.
when i disagree with bdgeeor you or anybody? i say so.. you'll note that i only call people names when they constantly do it to me. and i am pretty reserved.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Im not upset about dems winning because it is a fair game. GOP had their chance, they blew it and now dems are in charge.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Im not upset about dems winning because it is a fair game. GOP had their chance, they blew it and now dems are in charge.
your posts seem like you are angry to me. that's all i am saying. if you aren't that's good. if you are then you are getting angry at things that are not in your control and that's not good for you.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:actaully cash? i've never seen PM post about anything but his basic hate for people, except once when he mentioned he has a saltwater fishtank. heveils it in terms that sound OK to him, but it isn't OK... it is hate mongering
RIDICULOUS! You don't (and never will) see me calling you lefties names; calling you nazis; calling you racists; calling you a POS; a bigot; say that you're FOS; or any of the other childish things you lefties say. You might want to look in the mirror, you lefties are the ones who are full of hate. Bdgee is practically frothing at the mouth as he spews his hate filled rhetoric at ANYONE that disagrees with anything he says!
You might try actually debating the issues for a change and leave the name-calling to the children on the playground!
Posted by bdgee on :
"Not much you can say about someone who's only communicative ability is to smear, and call people names like a child. It never fails in a bdgee post to remind you that.
Yes and it is all you ever do, cow.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:actaully cash? i've never seen PM post about anything but his basic hate for people, except once when he mentioned he has a saltwater fishtank. heveils it in terms that sound OK to him, but it isn't OK... it is hate mongering
RIDICULOUS! You don't (and never will) see me calling you lefties names; calling you nazis; calling you racists; calling you a POS; a bigot; say that you're FOS; or any of the other childish things you lefties say. You might want to look in the mirror, you lefties are the ones who are full of hate. Bdgee is practically frothing at the mouth as he spews his hate filled rhetoric at ANYONE that disagrees with anything he says!
You might try actually debating the issues for a change and leave the name-calling to the children on the playground!
like i said, never contributed anything but hate.
if you take the politcial scale of 1 to 100?
the left being 1- 30 and the right being 70 -100?
i am a 60, several years ago i would have counted myself a 70, but the right has gotten to be a hate-filled group and i don't want any part of it. i am not left in any sense of the word. go away
Posted by glassman on :
do you think i'm joking or being hateful when i tell you that the GOP will never come back with leadership like limbugger and people like you posting this stuff?
the middle chooses who will lead.
i am not a party-line voter anymore, and you can thank Cheney for that. i don't even blame Bush, he's too dumb to know better.
this crap about wishing the country fails so your political philosophy will have a chance?
we aren't going to fail. we'll come back and it will be no thanks to you or your "kind".
Posted by Propertymanager on :
No, I don't think you're joking or being hateful, I just think you're wrong. The socialists are going to cause the economy to fail and people will return to values that founded this country.
Posted by jordanreed on :
ya mean rape,incest,slavery,sodomy.greed,lust,racism..etc?
Posted by jordanreed on :
or ya mean that "little house on the prairie" fantasy?
Posted by glassman on :
JR is right PM.
the values that founded this country are not what they teach you in the High School history class, or a Bible study class either.
Thomas Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible, and it ain't a Baptist version.
listen carefully when i tell you all i hear is hate coming from you.
it is rational feedback.
rush began his shpiel the other day by saying that what everybody thinks of him is wrong, and then he went on to make a joke about God being jealous of him.
it wasn't funny. it was disgusting.
this country is in a world o'chit right now.
and rush is leading the moron party
Posted by glassman on :
this is true, you can find the book for yourself if you want:
Jefferson Bible reveals Founding Father's view of God, faith
Making good on a promise to a friend to summarize his views on Christianity, Thomas Jefferson set to work with scissors, snipping out every miracle and inconsistency he could find in the New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Then, relying on a cut-and-paste technique, he reassembled the excerpts into what he believed was a more coherent narrative and pasted them onto blank paper -- alongside translations in French, Greek and Latin.
In a letter sent from Monticello to John Adams in 1813, Jefferson said his "wee little book" of 46 pages was based on a lifetime of inquiry and reflection and contained "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man."
He called the book "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth." Friends dubbed it the Jefferson Bible. It remains perhaps the most comprehensive expression of what the nation's third president and principal author of the Declaration of Independence found ethically interesting about the Gospels and their depiction of Jesus.
quote:listen carefully when i tell you all i hear is hate coming from you.
I know that's all you hear, because that's what you and the other lefties want to hear. You've been brainwashed by the socialists and are following their playbook to the T! Lefties love to demonize their opponents, just as they hated Bush. I don't hear the right hating Obama - I just hear them saying that his policies are going to fail (and I'll add - DESTROY THE COUNTRY). There is a HUGE difference between the personal hatred you lefties exhibit and the opposition those of us on the right display. Try to find where I've called you or bdgee, or Raybond, or even Jordan names or personally insulted you. You on the left do that almost everytime you disagree with a post. It's a huge difference in character!
Posted by bdgee on :
No, it's hate and nothing else, delivered with your normal dose of arrogance and absurd assertions. None of it is at all informative or worthy of inclusion in a rational debate. It's just warmed over Limbaughisms.
Posted by jordanreed on :
no.pms.its not name-calling that you do..its..
insulting, degrading,belittling,obstinant,arrogant, pretentious, anti-social, mean-spirited, stubborn, deliberatly provoking, narrow-minded, hypocitical, disrespectful, boring, repetitive, off-putting, ...I know I missed some,,anyway..you present yourself as an extremely unlikable person..and your prose is hateful
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:listen carefully when i tell you all i hear is hate coming from you.
I know that's all you hear, because that's what you and the other lefties want to hear. You've been brainwashed by the socialists and are following their playbook to the T! Lefties love to demonize their opponents, just as they hated Bush. I don't hear the right hating Obama - I just hear them saying that his policies are going to fail (and I'll add - DESTROY THE COUNTRY). There is a HUGE difference between the personal hatred you lefties exhibit and the opposition those of us on the right display. Try to find where I've called you or bdgee, or Raybond, or even Jordan names or personally insulted you. You on the left do that almost everytime you disagree with a post. It's a huge difference in character!
it's right here in this post. just read it. and you 'll see it.
you are ignorant.
we keep telling you that you are doin' it and you just deny it and do it at the very same time.
you've been listening to rush and other hatemongers so long that you don't even know you are doing it any more.
if we want a dose of what you are dishing out? we can just turn on the radio. why don't you just go do that instead?
cuz this is getting pretty tired.
you are converting people to liberalism with every post...
Posted by jordanreed on :
you come here and create a very black atmosphere..its dirty and stinky...never once have you offered a sincere friendly gesture to anyone..right from the get-go it became a quagmire in here..filled with your constant belittling...not much fun since you arrived..
ccm, lock, and the others on the right , provide some nice thoughts and arguements...so its not that youre a conservative or republican thats the problem..its your horrible disposition!
Posted by glassman on :
i'll tell ya what's funny. people told me i couldn't be a "conservative" in '04 when i started pointing out how screwed up Bush was...
now i have to listen to some jerk tell how i'm a lefty AND Bush is too...
well, it would be funny if it wasn't so absurd.
Posted by bdgee on :
They've called you much much worse, glass....all delivered in that same arrogant hateful way. And you are right, they copy the style of Fat rush and think it is ok to do so.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: They've called you much much worse, glass....all delivered in that same arrogant hateful way. And you are right, they copy the style of Fat rush and think it is ok to do so.
it ain't that bigga deal once inawhile..
but when you prove a point? only to have to repeat the proof over and over again? it's gets old...