Maybe the birds are trying to get acclimated to colder winters in preparation for the coming ice age!
Posted by jordanreed on :
keep hangin in there..PMS...lol
Posted by bdgee on :
PM, one of the possible, even probable, results of global warming is that the ice dams in northern Canada and Greenland will melt through, inducing trillions of cubic feet of fresh water into the North Atlantic, just where the Gulf Stream finally cools sufficiently to plunges to the ocean depths and forming the primary engine of the world wide ocean flow about the world.
Fresh water isn't heavy enough to sink in the ocean and, as a result, there won't be any input of gravitationally induced sinking of that system and the flow will cease. Should that happen, stopping the largest mechanism for the Earth's atmosphere to moderate world wide temperatures, then a new ice age is triggered.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
So, bdgee, you are predicting an ice age? LOLOLOL! You've got it covered either way. If the temperature moves up so much as 1/2 a degree in 100 years, you'll claim global warming. If the temperature moves down so much as 1/2 a degree in 100 years, you'll claim global cooling and the coming of the next ice age. If it stays the same, you'll claim that it should be changing! You wacko lefties have it covered!
Posted by Propertymanager on :
I'm still waiting to hear what temperature you wacko leftists think the earth should be. LOL!
Posted by jordanreed on :
for who?? I told you what it should be for me to live a comfortable life...what more do you want?
what do you think the earths temp should be?
Posted by jordanreed on :
if the earth gets muchwarmer..we will die out..
if it gets much colder we will die out..
right now , at this minute, its perfect...thats why we exist.
what is this?..kindergarten?
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: So, bdgee, you are predicting an ice age? LOLOLOL! You've got it covered either way. If the temperature moves up so much as 1/2 a degree in 100 years, you'll claim global warming. If the temperature moves down so much as 1/2 a degree in 100 years, you'll claim global cooling and the coming of the next ice age. If it stays the same, you'll claim that it should be changing! You wacko lefties have it covered!
No, I said absolutely nothing so stupid and nothing that could logically be construed so stupidly.
Such childish explanations of intricately interdependent processes as you try to use to tile over reality while attempting to hide and explain away facts beyond your ability to understand do not yield truth, though they may grant undeserved ego enhancement to your infantile ego and immature excuse for an intellect.
You stopped development, mentally and emotionally, somewhere down at the pre-ape stage and there is little there fit to evaluate as human, in either of those fazes.
Trying to explain scientific reality (or any other kind) to you is like trying to get a dog to appreciate the grandeur of Beethoven's works.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
How warm will it have to be for us to die out? Are you saying that the earth has never been warmer than it is now while humans inhabited it? I wonder how all those people living near the equator survive? It's much warmer there than it is here in Ohio and somehow they seem to survive.
I'm not sure that people are that easy to kill off. Here in Ohio, I've survived sub-zero temperatures and I've survived temperatures over 100 degrees. Maybe people aren't that fragile after all!
Posted by bdgee on :
"How warm will it have to be for us to die out?"
About as warm as they would be if dumped in the middle of the Sahara in groups of tens of thousands per spot with absolutely no way provided to get resources (water in particular) from outside the desert.
It ain't so simple as you try and make it out to be. When water stops being available, both to the people and to the food crops and herds they must have to survive, they die.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:It ain't so simple as you try and make it out to be. When water stops being available, both to the people and to the food crops and herds they must have to survive, they die.
Where's the water going to go? I thought you lefties were saying that the polar ice caps were going to melt and water would be everywhere (ocean front property in Ohio). Try to keep your story straight! In addition, I could always get a drink out of the Lake Erie, you just have to be careful that it isn't on fire at the time!
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
LOL... seawater is worthless for human use.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
It's a shame that it is impossible to desalinate sea water....or is it? LOL!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: It's a shame that it is impossible to desalinate sea water....or is it? LOL!
how much does it cost?
Desalination is not cheap
In California, USA, the towns of Santa Barbara and Avalon have begun using desalination methods to remove the salt from seawater and make it suitable for drinking. A promising method to desalinate seawater is the "reverse osmosis" method. You might be more familiar with another method, distillation, which involves heating seawater and capturing and condensing the steam. As of 1998, the high cost of desalination has kept it from being used more often, as it can cost over $1,000 - $2,200 per acre-foot (1992 cost basis) to desalinate seawater as compared to about $200 per acre-foot for water from normal supply sources. Desalination technology is improving and costs are falling, though, and Tampa Bay, Florida is currently desalinizing water at a cost of only $650 per acre foot. As both the demand for freshwater and technology increase, you can expect to see more desalination occurring, especially in areas, such as California and the Middle East.
Yeah, it ain't cheap and there ain't no sea water in the middle of the Sahara.
A sad fact, but even along the sea shore, all those people died before they had a chance to build any desalination facilities. Just as well, they would have starved working on it because all of the food crops they need and cattle and sheep and such can't survive on salt water.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
We don't live in the Sahara!
Posted by jordanreed on :
not yet...
Posted by bdgee on :
No, we don't live in the Sahara, but with only another degree or so temperature increase, desert encroachment will become a major concern and within a generation, places like Kansas City and St. Louis will have a Utah like climate.
Think about it, the Sahara is at least double the size it was 100 years ago and the desert encroachment increase over time.
Posted by NaturalResources on :
PM, climate change is no joke. Take 3 minutes and watch this video, it might change how you view "Global Warming".
That's one hell of a video and I don't mean only the part about the Anasazi. Glad you posted that.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:PM, climate change is no joke.
You're right, it's not a joke. It's a SCAM being perpetrated on gullible people by the wacko left for the purpose of furthering their socialist agenda.
Posted by jordanreed on :
..and whats your agenda?.. it aint reality..
Posted by bdgee on :
Whoever PM's teachers were perpetrated a scam on us all. The damned Party first republican propaganda cut and pasting fool actually believes he isn't an idiot.
Posted by NaturalResources on :
PM, climate change is in no way a SCAM. One could certianly argue that scientists are unsure as to whether or not the climate will warm up or if it will cool down, but the FACT remains, climate change is REAL.
I don't know if you skipped school the day they taught you about the "Dust Bowl" in history class but to act as though climate change is irrelevant simply because we don't know which way it will go is both ignorant and juvenile...
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:One could certianly argue that scientists are unsure as to whether or not the climate will warm up or if it will cool down, but the FACT remains, climate change is REAL.
NR, you just made my point. The "scientists" don't know what they're talking about. They can't even predict what kind of hurricane season we'll have in a given year, and yet they believe that they can predict future world-wide temperature changes, when they clearly can not.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that the climate WILL change. The climate always has and always will change. The scam is that these wacko leftists think they can predict what the climate will do and that they can alter it.
Posted by jordanreed on :
I dont think I ever heard ONE scientist say that the climate WILL do any certain thing..they ALWAYS preface a statement with.."if this trend continues"..or something to that effect,,,
you see, PMS, scientists are always in a discovery and disproving process..they present hypothesis and then try to disprove that idea .
sorry to speak to you as if you're 5 yrs old..but if the foo sh!ts..get my drift little one?
Posted by glassman on :
PM. you are obviously typing on a computer that was invented by scientists who didn't know WTF they were talking about when they invented it.
how daft can you really be?
It doesn't matter what he does, he will never amount to anything. Albert Einstein's teacher to his father, 1895. Posted by Pagan on :
Scientists: Pace of Climate Change Exceeds Estimates
By Kari Lydersen Washington Post Staff Writers Sunday, February 15, 2009; A03
CHICAGO, Feb. 14 -- The pace of global warming is likely to be much faster than recent predictions, because industrial greenhouse gas emissions have increased more quickly than expected and higher temperatures are triggering self-reinforcing feedback mechanisms in global ecosystems, scientists said Saturday.
"We are basically looking now at a future climate that's beyond anything we've considered seriously in climate model simulations," Christopher Field, founding director of the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology at Stanford University, said at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Field, a member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said emissions from burning fossil fuels since 2000 have largely outpaced the estimates used in the U.N. panel's 2007 reports. The higher emissions are largely the result of the increased burning of coal in developing countries, he said.
Unexpectedly large amounts of carbon dioxide are being released into the atmosphere as the result of "feedback loops" that are speeding up natural processes. Prominent among these, evidence indicates, is a cycle in which higher temperatures are beginning to melt the arctic permafrost, which could release hundreds of billions of tons of carbon and methane into the atmosphere, said several scientists on a panel at the meeting.
The permafrost holds 1 trillion tons of carbon, and as much as 10 percent of that could be released this century, Field said. Melting permafrost also releases methane, which is 25 times more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
"It's a vicious cycle of feedback where warming causes the release of carbon from permafrost, which causes more warming, which causes more release from permafrost," Field said.
Evidence is also accumulating that terrestrial and marine ecosystems cannot remove as much carbon from the atmosphere as earlier estimates suggested, Field said.
In the oceans, warmer weather is driving stronger winds that are exposing deeper layers of water, which are already saturated with carbon and not as able to absorb as much from the atmosphere. The carbon is making the oceans more acidic, which also reduces their ability to absorb carbon.
On land, rising carbon dioxide levels had been expected to boost plant growth and result in greater sequestration of carbon dioxide. As plants undergo photosynthesis to draw energy from the sun, carbon is drawn out of the atmosphere and trapped in the plant matter. But especially in northern latitudes, this effect may be offset significantly by the fact that vegetation-covered land absorbs much more of the sun's heat than snow-covered terrain, said scientists on the panel.
Earlier snowmelt, the shrinking arctic ice cover and the northward spread of vegetation are causing the Northern Hemisphere to absorb, rather than reflect, more of the sun's energy and reinforce the warming trend.
While it takes a relatively long time for plants to take carbon out of the atmosphere, that carbon can be released rapidly by wildfires, which contribute about a third as much carbon to the atmosphere as burning fossil fuels, according to a paper Field co-authored.
Fires such as the recent deadly blazes in southern Australia have increased in recent years, and that trend is expected to continue, Field said. Warmer weather, earlier snowmelt, drought and beetle infestations facilitated by warmer climates are all contributing to the rising number of fires linked to climate change. Across large swaths of the United States and Canada, bark beetles have killed many mature trees, making forests more flammable. And tropical rain forests that were not susceptible to forest fires in the past are likely to become drier as temperatures rise, growing more vulnerable.
Preventing deforestation in the tropics is more important than in northern latitudes, the panel agreed, since lush tropical forests sequester more carbon than sparser northern forests. And deforestation in northern areas has benefits, since larger areas end up covered in exposed, heat-reflecting snow.
Many scientists and policymakers are advocating increased incentives for preserving tropical forests, especially in the face of demand for clearing forest to grow biofuel crops such as soy. Promoting biofuels without also creating forest-preservation incentives would be "like weatherizing your house and deliberately keeping your windows open," said Peter Frumhoff, chief of the Union of Concerned Scientists' climate program. "It's just not a smart policy."
Field said the U.N. panel's next assessment of Earth's climate trends, scheduled for release in 2014, will for the first time incorporate policy proposals. It will also include complicated models of interconnected ecosystem feedbacks.
The panel's last report noted that preliminary knowledge of such feedbacks suggested that an additional 100 billion to 500 billion tons of greenhouse gas emissions would have to be prevented in the next century to avoid dangerous global warming. Currently, about 10 billion tons of carbon are emitted each year.
Posted by TonyG on :
Global warming is way over stated. People will live just fine; the average temp in Alaska is a lot colder than the average temp in Florida... Can’t say the Floridians are dying from excess heat, if they were they all would be moving further north. Aint happenin. The Canada goose has been living farther south these past 30 years or so. A scientist with an agenda or one that is funded by a group with an agenda is no longer a scientist. He becomes a propaganda tool and extrapolates the data to fit the check he received. Therein lies the global warming… Besides, this planet goes through cycles all on its own. Are we gonna blame the human race on the last ice age? We will adapt… we have and we will.
Posted by jordanreed on :
yes...the dinosaurs adapted just fine...
you and I will be fine..this isnt something that will happen in the next 10 yrs...it may take 100's of years...but if we dont change our ways, it WILL be sooner than later..thats all the scientists are saying..
take your head out of the sand!
everything you have said has been gone over,here, many times..but very evlightening..thanks for the limbaugh update.
Posted by bdgee on :
Jordan, it isn't in the sand that TonyG has his head. From the fact that his notions are from way out there in the dark and have that particular smell, isn't it obvious where his head is? He has his head way up in a dark place. He's a contortionist.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Welcome to AllStocks TonyG! As you've already experienced, the socialists here aren't very friendly to new arrivals, unless you are a card carrying socialist who believes in man-made global warming and a big government that takes care of your every need.
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Welcome to AllStocks TonyG! As you've already experienced, the socialists here aren't very friendly to new arrivals, unless you are a card carrying socialist who believes in man-made global warming and a big government that takes care of your every need.
You seem to miss the fact that TonyG has been a member since May 2003. Though I do not agree with his current assumptions, he does not seem to feel the need to post ad nausem as you do.
Posted by jordanreed on :
hes been here since 2003....and you're not friendly to anyone..
everyone is my friend...even you!..funny huh?...
you just have to see the light..and I will help along the way..well..me, beeg, glass, and 99% of the others here..
but you can continue to be hoodwinked into your beliefs til enternity, if you wish...see..thats the way us wackos roll
Posted by jordanreed on :
some of my best friends have there head up there azz..
Posted by bdgee on :
Birds of a feather, you know....
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Welcome to AllStocks TonyG! As you've already experienced, the socialists here aren't very friendly to new arrivals, unless you are a card carrying socialist who believes in man-made global warming and a big government that takes care of your every need.
You seem to miss the fact that TonyG has been a member since May 2003. Though I do not agree with his current assumptions, he does not seem to feel the need to post ad nausem as you do.
Was Tony G. not attacked for his opposing opinion? PM is making a valid point that anyone with an opinion different than bdgee's is insulted. Thank you Tony G. for expressing you thoughts.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:Was Tony G. not attacked for his opposing opinion? PM is making a valid point that anyone with an opinion different than bdgee's is insulted. Thank you Tony G. for expressing you thoughts.
What I find interesting is that the socialists on this board, almost without exception, personally attack anyone that expresses an opinion that is different than theirs. Those on the right almost never do that. The difference is character on the part of the right (and lack thereof on the part of the left).
Posted by T e x on :
lol, isn't that like saying I wouldn't insult or call you names, you beotch...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:Was Tony G. not attacked for his opposing opinion? PM is making a valid point that anyone with an opinion different than bdgee's is insulted. Thank you Tony G. for expressing you thoughts.
What I find interesting is that the socialists on this board, almost without exception, personally attack anyone that expresses an opinion that is different than theirs. Those on the right almost never do that. The difference is character on the part of the right (and lack thereof on the part of the left).
LOL.. calling people socialists is not a personal attack?
it's no different than calling people fascist,
if you represent the "right" of America? the right is dead, and has no immediate future.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:LOL.. calling people socialists is not a personal attack?
You know perfectly well that there is a big difference between talking about ideologies and the personal name-calling and 3rd grade insults that you lefties engage in.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:LOL.. calling people socialists is not a personal attack?
You know perfectly well that there is a big difference between talking about ideologies and the personal name-calling and 3rd grade insults that you lefties engage in.
what i know is that you are anti-social.
i know that you have no sense of history at all.
i know that you call people socialists to get a reaction.
i know you suffer from some sort of inferiority problem that makes you attempt to overcompensate by talking as if you are some sort of hard case.
Posted by jordanreed on :
I'm a socialist!...I never knew,, Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Welcome to AllStocks TonyG! As you've already experienced, the socialists here aren't very friendly to new arrivals, unless you are a card carrying socialist who believes in man-made global warming and a big government that takes care of your every need.
You seem to miss the fact that TonyG has been a member since May 2003. Though I do not agree with his current assumptions, he does not seem to feel the need to post ad nausem as you do.
Was Tony G. not attacked for his opposing opinion? PM is making a valid point that anyone with an opinion different than bdgee's is insulted. Thank you Tony G. for expressing you thoughts.
NO. lock... you make the saame false claim PM does. No one attacked TonyG' it was his attack on reason, i.e., his baseless argument that was responded to. It was not an attack on him, but on his reasoning or, more correctly, the lack thereof.
Posted by NaturalResources on :
PM, do you have any kids? If so, are you willing to risk their future on this planet or do you simply not care about life enough to leave this planet a nicer place than you found it? Seriously, this is knowledge older than dirt... You don't poop where you sleep and that is what we are doing when we pollute this Earth. Don't try to deny that humans contribute to global warming, its a FACT, we do...
You claim global warming is a hoax, yet you admit that climate change is real. You know it could get really hot or really cold on this Earth, (most of the evidence available suggests a warming trend for the near future), yet you seem content to dismiss it all as a hoax and advocate that humans do nothing. Simply dismissing ALL scientific evidence about global warming as government sponsored BS is counterproductive and you know it...
TonyG suggests we will simply adapt, and while he is correct, why should we force an adaptation onto ourselves by doing nothing until it is absolutely clear that "global warming" is upon us? We have survived by using our brains, it seems to work, so lets keep using them and take active steps to ensure that humans contribute an absolute minimum to the forces of climate change. It may be too late, but better late than never, IMO anyway...
PM, you claim that the most informed people on climate change don't have a clue, yet you seem sure that you know they are wrong. Please, share your credentials in the field of climate study and tell us what you know that makes you willing to bet the lives and future of everything on this planet?
Posted by bdgee on :
Don't listen to Jordan. He's one of the professional confess to everything nut cases. He'll be claiming Eugene Debbs was his maternal great uncle if you let him, then the next day he'll claim to be a John Bircher.
With respect to causes extreme, Jordan was like Ben Franklin with respect to religion. Franklin held membership in at leas 5 different christian churches at the same time and, all the while, on Saturday mornings, sat through services regularly in the local synagogue.
Posted by glassman on :
i didn't know Franklin went the synagogue too
i did know that Thomas Jefferson "re-wrote" the Bible tho:
Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative.
This presentation of The Jefferson Bible offers the text as selected and arranged by Jefferson in two separate editions:
separation of Church and State was originally conceived to PROMOTE religion and Protect it from the Government now it's the other way 'round? or is it? Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Don't listen to Jordan. He's one of the professional confess to everything nut cases. He'll be claiming Eugene Debbs was his maternal great uncle if you let him, then the next day he'll claim to be a John Bircher.
With respect to causes extreme, Jordan was like Ben Franklin with respect to religion. Franklin held membership in at leas 5 different christian churches at the same time and, all the while, on Saturday mornings, sat through services regularly in the local synagogue.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:Don't try to deny that humans contribute to global warming, its a FACT, we do...
It is NOT a fact, it is a socialist hoax intended to create a crisis. The purpose of this made-up crisis is to unite the ignorant population in a common cause so that they can be manipulated. If you read a little history, you would see that this same template has been used over and over. I suggest starting your reading with "The Creature from Jekyll Island".
quote:You claim global warming is a hoax, yet you admit that climate change is real. You know it could get really hot or really cold on this Earth, (most of the evidence available suggests a warming trend for the near future), yet you seem content to dismiss it all as a hoax and advocate that humans do nothing.
The climate is ALWAYS changing. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the global warming hoax. I don't believe for a minute that scientists can measure an average world temperature change of 1/2 of 1 degree over a 100 year period. That's ridiculous! Furthermore, I KNOW that the wacko left doesn't know which direction the temperature is changing because they changed their hoax from "global warming" to "climate change", so that they would be covered regardless of the direction of change. Finally, I'm still waiting to hear what the world's temperature is supposed to be. Did humans cause the little ice age? Did humans cause the little ice age to end? Was the temperature correct during the little ice age or is it correct today? Or would it be correct 2 degrees warmer than it is now? You see how ridiculous this entire global warming or climate change issue is?
Posted by jordanreed on :
Hey!..PMS!>>little girl!...this has been explained to yo many times! whasamattawityou?
Posted by Propertymanager on :
Yes, I know Jordan, you want it to be 72 degrees 24/7/365! Good luck with that.
Posted by glassman on :
You see how ridiculous this entire global warming or climate change issue is?
no i don't, but i do know what riduculous is
Posted by glassman on :
this is ridiculous too:
West Tenn inmate who left prison farm calls 911 for help
By Associated Press
6:30 PM CST, February 16, 2009 HENNING, Tenn. (AP) — Tennessee prison officials say an inmate who left a work detail at the West Tennessee State Penitentiary farm called 911 after getting lost in the woods.
Officials said trusty Bruce Price of Bedford County got a cell phone in the woods, where it may have been left by someone else in a preset arrangement.
Tennessee Department of Correction spokeswoman Dorinda Carter says Price lost his bearings Sunday and used the phone to call for help about an hour and 45 minutes later.
According to The Commercial Appeal, authorities are considering escape charges against him.
Jordan, forget it. Ya can read Burns to a pig all day and night for weeks interspersed with careful lectures on hygiene and he'll still eat slop and dribble and slobber all over your books of poetry. It's genetic. A pig is a bunch smarter than a PM, but they both have genetic predispositions that make 'em what they are and forbid them from being like humans.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
I just don't get why anyone would not want to slow down what junk we put into the air and water.
Whether you believe in global warming or not.
If you grew up in Southern California in the 50's and 60's and felt how bad the smog was then, you could appreciate trying to slow down the pollution process.
I would hate to think what it would be like in Southern California now, if they had not put restrictions on pollution.
Posted by glassman on :
I would hate to think what it would be like in Southern California now, if they had not put restrictions on pollution.
this book made it pretty clear:
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:I just don't get why anyone would not want to slow down what junk we put into the air and water.
I agree with you 100% that we need clean and safe water and air. We have that. Our country has made great strides in cleaning up the the air and water in this country. The question is how clean is clean enough? The wacko left like Al (I invented the internet) Gore wants us peasants to ride our bikes while he jets around in a private jet. The wacko left wants wind power, provided it doesn't affect the view in the area where they sail their yachts. The wacko left wants our industries to buy carbon credits FROM THEM! I could go on and on and on, but you know what I'm saying. I'm all for clean air and water (which we have), but I'm not for falling into the scam being perpetrated by the wacko left.
Posted by jordanreed on :
CLEANER air and water...
i spose Al could ride his bike from N.Y to cali..but that might take too long..
who wants a wind turbine out there window?..not me..I also wouldnt want it where I am sailing..would you?..but how bout the desert?..makes a little more sense, huh?
you talk like a little kid..
Posted by bdgee on :
I think wind turbines in Ohio where there is constant wind of hate and bigotry from PM makes a lot of sense. At least it would make some practical and pragmatic use of all the idiotic noise he spews out. Then if we installed appropriate drainage about where he and his kind hang out rapping all that near cut and paste bull sh-t from Hanity and Limbaugh and O'rielly and Chaney, along with some generation chambers and piping for the ch4, we could use it to power pumping stations to carry off the sewage from the rest of the population to make (though the volume from just PM's crowd will possibley be more than enough) electricity for the grid.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:who wants a wind turbine out there window?..not me..I also wouldnt want it where I am sailing..would you?..but how bout the desert?..makes a little more sense, huh?
I would have no problem having wind turbines within sight of my house. Ditto for sailing, or where I mountain bike, snowboard, camp, etc.
Posted by glassman on :
i have no problem either.
as matter of fact? in our state we cannot connect power generating equipment to the electric grid because our Conservative Politicians are all in the pockets of the energy companies.
it is a matter of federal law that i have the right to sell electricity back to the power co, but my state has to negotiate a contract, and they REFUSE.
is this Conservatism? cuz MS politicians claim to be Conservative.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:it is a matter of federal law that i have the right to sell electricity back to the power co, but my state has to negotiate a contract, and they REFUSE.
That's a disgrace and the state politicians (of either party) that are responsible for it should be tarred and feathered!
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:it is a matter of federal law that i have the right to sell electricity back to the power co, but my state has to negotiate a contract, and they REFUSE.
That's a disgrace and the state politicians (of either party) that are responsible for it should be tarred and feathered!
Why?
They are taking their lead from Limbaugh, exactly like you and the whole rest of the republican Party. It's a matter of Party unity and mantra.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:it is a matter of federal law that i have the right to sell electricity back to the power co, but my state has to negotiate a contract, and they REFUSE.
That's a disgrace and the state politicians (of either party) that are responsible for it should be tarred and feathered!
my Governor is and has been for quite awhile, Haley Barbour:
Haley Reeves Barbour (born October 22, 1947 in Yazoo City, Mississippi) is an American politician currently serving as the Governor of Mississippi. He gained a national spotlight in August 2005 after Mississippi was hit by Hurricane Katrina. Barbour won re-election as Governor in 2007.[1] Under Mississippi's term limits, Barbour cannot run again for Governor in 2011 when his term ends.
Prior to being elected Governor, Barbour worked as a lawyer and lobbyist, and also served as Chairman of the Republican National Committee from 1993 to 1997, during which the Republicans captured both the United States Senate and United States House of Representatives for the first time since 1954.
In 1991, Barbour helped found Barbour Griffith & Rogers, LLC[4], a Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firm, with Lanny Griffith and Ed Rogers, two lawyers who formerly worked in the George H. W. Bush administration. In 1998, Fortune magazine named Barbour Griffith & Rogers the second-most-powerful lobbying firm in America.[5] In 2001, after the inauguration of George W. Bush, Fortune named it the most powerful.[6] The firm has made millions of dollars lobbying on behalf of the tobacco industry.[7]
Barbour's taxation policies have not been without contention. In March 2006 Barbour vetoed a bill that would lower grocery taxes, while simultaneously raising tobacco taxes.[17] Mississippians pay some of the highest grocery taxes in the nation.[
When Barbour took office, the state of Mississippi had run a $709 million budget deficit for the 2004 fiscal year. With bipartisan support, and without raising taxes, Barbour implemented a plan called Operation: Streamline to cut the budget deficit in half.[33] He accomplished this largely by reducing spending on social services, most notably Medicaid; the 2005 budget drastically reduced coverage for 65,000 individuals classified as Poverty-Level Aged and Disabled (PLAD), most of whom qualified for the federal Medicare program, and also significantly limited prescription drug coverage. In 2005, the state was budgeted to spend a total of $130 million less on Medicaid than in the previous year.[34][35] This trend continued in the state budget for the 2006 fiscal year. After a long special session, the legislature approved a budget that featured more social service cuts but also increased educational spending.[36] With tax revenues higher than expected during the 2006 fiscal year, due in large part to increased sales tax revenues in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the state achieved its first balanced budget in years.[37] In the 2008 fiscal year budget, for the first time since its enactment in 1997, the state has fully funded the Mississippi Adequate Education Program.[
"Conservative" was invented here PM.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:When Barbour took office, the state of Mississippi had run a $709 million budget deficit for the 2004 fiscal year. With bipartisan support, and without raising taxes, Barbour implemented a plan called Operation: Streamline to cut the budget deficit in half.[33] He accomplished this largely by reducing spending on social services, most notably Medicaid; the 2005 budget drastically reduced coverage for 65,000 individuals classified as Poverty-Level Aged and Disabled (PLAD), most of whom qualified for the federal Medicare program, and also significantly limited prescription drug coverage. In 2005, the state was budgeted to spend a total of $130 million less on Medicaid than in the previous year.[34][35] This trend continued in the state budget for the 2006 fiscal year. After a long special session, the legislature approved a budget that featured more social service cuts but also increased educational spending.[36] With tax revenues higher than expected during the 2006 fiscal year, due in large part to increased sales tax revenues in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the state achieved its first balanced budget in years.[37] In the 2008 fiscal year budget, for the first time since its enactment in 1997, the state has fully funded the Mississippi Adequate Education Program.
WOW! Gotta like that!
Posted by glassman on :
WOW! Gotta like that!
the only people complaining are the patients and the doctors on medicaid.
Miss. scheduled to cut Medicaid physician pay
The Mississippi Medicaid program will cut physician pay on Aug. 6 by $15.8 million unless lawmakers break a deadlock and adopt legislation to fill a $90 million Medicaid deficit for fiscal 2009. That's between 5% and 10% for most CPT codes.
of course, the patients have no voice so we don't hear them complaining, the doctors are leaving for better pay...
Posted by glassman on :
i notice you skipped over the part where Barbour became the most influential lobbyist in the country representing corporate interests...
i beleive that is the change most people are looking for...
i don't expect much change, but i expect to see some...
it is not in the the corporate interest of our power company to allow us to put "juice" back into the grid...
they are also being investigated for price fixing on the fuel surcharges..
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:Miss. scheduled to cut Medicaid physician pay
The Mississippi Medicaid program will cut physician pay on Aug. 6 by $15.8 million unless lawmakers break a deadlock and adopt legislation to fill a $90 million Medicaid deficit for fiscal 2009. That's between 5% and 10% for most CPT codes.
the doctors are leaving for better pay...
How can that be? "From each according to their abilities..." These doctors should be happy to work for minimum wage since they're benefitting the poor and lazy. Maybe they're not on the socialist bandwagon yet?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:Miss. scheduled to cut Medicaid physician pay
The Mississippi Medicaid program will cut physician pay on Aug. 6 by $15.8 million unless lawmakers break a deadlock and adopt legislation to fill a $90 million Medicaid deficit for fiscal 2009. That's between 5% and 10% for most CPT codes.
the doctors are leaving for better pay...
How can that be? "From each according to their abilities..." These doctors should be happy to work for minimum wage since they're benefitting the poor and lazy. Maybe they're not on the socialist bandwagon yet?
LOL... yeah well they made those cuts in order to pay Toyota and Nissan to come set plants here so that the poor and lazy that can get out of their wheelchairs are able to go work for a foreign car co...
they don't call attracting foreign car co's stimulus packages, but the taxpayers still pay 'em.
the earnings limit to qualify for Medicaid in MS for a single parent with 2 children is $5,496/year...
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:the earnings limit to qualify for Medicaid in MS for a single parent with 2 children is $5,496/year...
No need to worry about an earnings limit when you're getting public handouts. There aren't any "earnings" involved!!!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:the earnings limit to qualify for Medicaid in MS for a single parent with 2 children is $5,496/year...
No need to worry about an earnings limit when you're getting public handouts. There aren't any "earnings" involved!!!
you like to talk about things of which you know nothing don't you?
By Phil West Special to The Commercial Appeal Tuesday, February 3, 2009
JACKSON, Miss. -- House Speaker Billy McCoy appeared incredulous Monday that Gov. Haley Barbour is willing to reject $2.6 billion in badly needed federal stimulus money while state government deals with a shortfall that could reach $310 million by June 30.
that's right, our balanced budget is no more.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:Barbour, who was quoted over the weekend as saying he was not certain he would accept the stimulus money, repeated his concerns Monday about strings being attached and states having to pick up the tab when the programs expire in July 2010.
Barbour may end up being a hero for quality thinking like that. If true that the states would be required to continue AND FUND programs started or grown under this "stimulus", then he would be very smart to turn down the stimulus money.
quote:"The law in our state is clear. Before you can get unemployment, you have to be ready, willing and able to work full-time," he said.
AMEN!
quote:Mississippi employers, he said, would be left with a tax increase to pay for that change once the stimulus money expires, Barbour said.
"I will say, I suspect, that most of the money will either have strings attached that are insignificant or they're manageable. But there are some that are not. And if I consider them to be against the best interest of the state, then I will oppose them."
At least there is ONE politician remaining in the United States with some common sense. I thought they were extinct!
Posted by glassman on :
Barbour may end up being a hero for quality thinking like that. If true that the states would be required to continue AND FUND programs started or grown under this "stimulus", then he would be very smart to turn down the stimulus money.
Barbour was lying.
he'll take the money and grumble about it.
when are you going to realise we don't live in a cartoon world?
these guys in the GOP are thrilled they don't have to take responsibity for the mess they created and can turn people like you to complaining about the failure of their policies, and the resulting "repairs".
it would be funny if it wasn't so pitiful.
it is well understood in MS that we were able to balance the budget because of Katrina, not in spite of Katrina.
December 7, 2005 News Articles
Governor's relative is big contract winner Rosemary Barbour happens to be married to a nephew of Mississippi's governor, Haley Barbour. The New York Times reports that she also happens to be one of the biggest Mississippi-based winners of federal contracts for Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts. The $6.4 million in contracts received by her company, Alcatec LLC, have raised questions about possible favoritism.
The FBI raid involved another relative of the governor, Rosemary Ramirez Barbour, who's married to Henry's and Austin's brother Charles, 44, a member of the Hinds County board of supervisors. Rosemary owns a Jackson company, Alcatec LLC; OMB Watch, a Washington organization that monitors federal spending, says the company has received almost $27 million in U.S. contracts to maintain trailers used by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the government's disaster-relief arm.
On June 21, FBI agents searched three Alcatec offices, seizing computers and documents as part of an investigation into what the warrant said was possible mail fraud. The company didn't respond to repeated requests for comment.
Brunini, Haley Barbour's lawyer, said in a telephone interview that the governor ``doesn't have any connection with Charles Barbour, and certainly not with his wife.'' Smith, the governor's spokesman, declined to comment.
It isn't just Barbour relatives who have found opportunities in Katrina-related work; lobbyists at the governor's former firm, Washington-based Barbour Griffith & Rogers LLC, have profited from Katrina, too.
Salvaging a Casino
On Feb. 9 of this year, the governor's two partners, Ed Rogers and Lanny Griffith, filed forms with the state of Mississippi disclosing lobbying they did last year for Leucadia National Corp., a New York-based buyout firm that acquired the Hard Rock Casino in Biloxi, which had been ravaged by Katrina just days before its scheduled grand opening.
The lobbyists used their personal addresses instead of the business office that still bears Barbour's name. They faxed the forms from a FedEx Kinko's store in Washington. Rogers, 48, said in an e-mail that he and Griffith, 56, used their personal addresses because Mississippi asks lobbyists to file as individuals. The state form asks for a ``physical address.'' Lobbyists such as Henry Barbour commonly use a business address.
these guys see the federal government as their own personal milk cow...
it's not social spending that has bankrupted us it's theft and bad contracting..
i suppose that's OK with you cuz they have jobs?
LOL... their job is to figure out how to keep ahold of the govt udder and squeeze..
your other "hero" Dick Cheney? he and Haliburton did the same thing on much bigger scale...
see? when you give the money to poor people? they spread it around and everybody benefits..
when you give it to Cheney and Barbour? it disappears from the economy.
you call it socialism, but the fact is? neither side is ever going to stop spending the money. it's only a question of where it goes...
Posted by bdgee on :
"their job is to figure out how to keep ahold of the govt udder and squeeze."
Yeah, like get a lip-lock on a teat and suck, suck, suck,...
And lay there so you'll be in the way of anyone wanting to get to one of the other teats, so you an yours can suck up all the goodies.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "their job is to figure out how to keep ahold of the govt udder and squeeze."
Yeah, like get a lip-lock on a teat and suck, suck, suck,...
And lay there so you'll be in the way of anyone wanting to get to one of the other teats, so you an yours can suck up all the goodies.
and the second they get pushed off? they scream socialism ....
Posted by bdgee on :
"and the second they get pushed off? they scream socialism"
Or when someone suggest there should be a rule that they have to move over enough for someone else to get hold of one of the other teats.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Arctic Sea Ice Underestimated for Weeks Due to Faulty Sensor Email | Print | A A A
By Alex Morales
Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A glitch in satellite sensors caused scientists to underestimate the extent of Arctic sea ice by 500,000 square kilometers (193,000 square miles), a California- size area, the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center said.
The error, due to a problem called “sensor drift,” began in early January and caused a slowly growing underestimation of sea ice extent until mid-February. That’s when “puzzled readers” alerted the NSIDC about data showing ice-covered areas as stretches of open ocean, the Boulder, Colorado-based group said on its Web site.
“Sensor drift, although infrequent, does occasionally occur and it is one of the things that we account for during quality- control measures prior to archiving the data,” the center said. “Although we believe that data prior to early January are reliable, we will conduct a full quality check.’’
The extent of Arctic sea ice is seen as a key measure of how rising temperatures are affecting the Earth. The cap retreated in 2007 to its lowest extent ever and last year posted its second- lowest annual minimum at the end of the yearly melt season. The recent error doesn’t change findings that Arctic ice is retreating, the NSIDC said.
The center said real-time data on sea ice is always less reliable than archived numbers because full checks haven’t yet been carried out. Historical data is checked across other sources, it said.
The NSIDC uses Department of Defense satellites to obtain its Arctic sea ice data rather than more accurate National Aeronautics and Space Administration equipment. That’s because the defense satellites have a longer period of historical data, enabling scientists to draw conclusions about long-term ice melt, the center said.
“There is a balance between being as accurate as possible at any given moment and being as consistent as possible through long time-periods,” NSIDC said. “Our main scientific focus is on the long-term changes in Arctic sea ice.”
To contact the reporter on this story: Alex Morales in London at amorales2*bloomberg.net.
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