He deserved to be hit full in the face by both shoes.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
If the shoe fits...
Posted by glassman on :
hey, maybe we did "rescue" some worthwhile people afterall,
it's a shame the guy will be severely punished for this. he's a hero.
the shoe throwing is a serious insult, not an assault.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Damn! Why couldn't the F#cking shoe have hit him???
It seems like we can't catch a break, but bush gets away with murder!
It was on live TV so it would have been awesome if it hit him!!!
They guy looked like he had been practicing throwing the shoe for a while, cause a shoe is one of those awkward things that you won't throw well the first time...his aim was dead on.....bush actualy deserves props for his quick reflexes.
Posted by glassman on :
bush actualy deserves props for his quick reflexes.
"It is the farewell kiss, you dog,"
yeah, ducking, lol, a real man would have caught them with his teeth,,,
Posted by thinkmoney on :
shame on you all...
I am not a fan of Bush but as a sister or bro that is the blacksheep, I can offend but no one else better..he is still my bro...
Bush is the USA prez and as an american i can criticize but I dont feel an Iraqi can assault..and for those of you who side with the Iraqi who assaulted..you are not a sister or brother of an American...shame on you...
Posted by glassman on :
but I dont feel an Iraqi can assault
awecomeon TM, Bush ordered thousands of tons of bombs dropped on his country, a country that hadn't attacked US...
Abu Graib was not a couple of rogue soldiers. I personally beleive they were acting on orders that came form the very top.
it's not like the guy was from a nation that we didn't invade.
i am glad the guy didn't shoot him, or really assault him, but the shoe thing is something i can see a wife doing to her cheating husband, you know? it's not like he wanted to hurt him physically, it was an insult.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
It just rubbed me the wrong way to hear Americans insult and side with an Iraqi who could be a terrorist...I bet that Iraqi would throw a shoe on all americans... Throwing a shoe is the worst insult/assault an Iraqi can make as far as their culture...
A wife can throw a shoe at her husband but if you dare to say anythin negative about my man, you are not a friend.. after the divorce then say all you want ...
Posted by bdgee on :
I don't much care if it rubbed you wrong fifteen times over. Bush has been the worst thing that ever happened to the U.S. and you need to stop defending the *******.
It is you jerks that rigged elections to put that crook in the White House that are the real villains. That poor Iraqi guy can't throw a shoe at them and they really deserve his ire.
That man is a hero!
Posted by glassman on :
A wife can throw a shoe at her husband but if you dare to say anythin negative about my man, you are not a friend.. after the divorce then say all you want ...
LOL...
any other president? i would agree. but Dubya has stood in front of the UN and called people evil while he was committing (IMO) evil acts...
the guy disgraced the office of the Presindent, and if it was legal? i would be pushing for Bush and Cheney to be exiled to Iraq, but we don't exile citizens...
Posted by T e x on :
A wife can throw a shoe at her husband ...
You mean it's OK when women are abusive????
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: A wife can throw a shoe at her husband ...
You mean it's OK when women are abusive????
i bet Hillary threw both her shoes and Monicas too. Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: It just rubbed me the wrong way to hear Americans insult and side with an Iraqi who could be a terrorist
George Bush is a Terroist...he just never strapped a bomb to his chest, or flew a plane into a building......
He had younng men and women do the dirty work for him!!!! Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: A wife can throw a shoe at her husband ...
You mean it's OK when women are abusive????
i bet Hillary threw both her shoes and Monicas too.
DOES THE SECRET SERVICE KNOW ABOUT THAT?!?!?!
Posted by R1 Man on :
So here is a question for everyone.
The reporter attempted to assult Bush who is not a citizen of Iraq. Bush has no green card or anything. Does it make the crime less serious???
Notice the SLOW REACTIONS of the secret service. They gave that guy plenty of time to throw another shoe plus walked to the guy instead of running. Hmmmmm....????
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
To bad they were not cleats
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Don't take it literally...
I am not a fan of Bush's but I dont find humor in an Iraqi assaulting a USA prez...
Posted by raybond on :
That was good for a laugh. I am taking it for granted that our shoe thrower does not drink,I sure would like to buy him a beer.
Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: Don't take it literally...
I am not a fan of Bush's but I dont find humor in an Iraqi assaulting a USA prez...
my bet is you dont find much humor in anything...
Posted by thinkmoney on :
I find humor in folks like you -- now that is laughter...
Posted by bdgee on :
The far right-wing extremist aren't in much of a mood for humor about anything right now, except for the glee they espouse at the chance of destroying what is left of the world's economy by ending the industrial might of the U.S. by eliminating its auto industry.
And that isn't because they have any particular enmity for the industry, but Party mantra say to hate unions and the common man .... always ... before and beyond anything else ...
Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: I find humor in folks like you -- now that is laughter...
laughing at people is not very christian of you...maybe your "religion" is just a sham,a cover for your true feelings ..
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Well, you were the idiot who had to sling ...and, I do find laughter in little men....
And, being christian is something you apparently know nothing of ...but, Ill give you one lesson - the only perfect man that walked the earth was Jesus...
Now, nothing mentioned about women - guess women are perfect ---
Posted by jordanreed on :
...and now you name call...tsk,tsk..
such an angry "christian"
Posted by jordanreed on :
if you claim to be a christian you should certainly know that jesus was not perfect...he was just a man...read your bible...he suffered greatly because of his imperfections..his internal struggle was a lifelong battle
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Jesus suffered so that you could be saved - And, God is perfect and Jesus is son of God -
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit ---
Posted by jordanreed on :
,,,and, in your belief, arent we all children of god? and,according to you,.perfect?
although...this is all superstition and myth, and I'm not much for believing in that voodoo.santas comin to town,then the easter bunny...hope the stars are in line..got to get out my four-leaf clover..is that an angel?..nope,i'm just drunk on the blood of christ..
Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: Jesus suffered so that you could be saved - And, God is perfect and Jesus is son of God -
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit ---
nothing more than citing by rote..thats all ya got?
Posted by Lockman on :
Even if you hate Bush, he still represents the United States of America and that stunt was a slight to every American.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Even if you hate Bush, he still represents the United States of America and that stunt was a slight to every American.
my feewing awe huwt
Posted by glassman on :
RPG's and AK's may break my bones, but shoes will never hurt me Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: RPG's and AK's may break my bones, but shoes will never hurt me
Actually Bush looked pretty dam quick.
My concern is Bush represents the office of President and we can't just brush aside attacks on our commander and chief. Obama is going to have to travel to these same places and feel the same hatred of the U.S. as Bush.
Posted by glassman on :
Obama is going to have to travel to these same places and feel the same hatred of the U.S. as Bush.
i swear i remember McCain complaining about Obama being a "rock star" after traveling to Germany...
i'm actually more concerned about Obama visiting some of the old confederate states
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: RPG's and AK's may break my bones, but shoes will never hurt me
Actually Bush looked pretty dam quick.
My concern is Bush represents the office of President and we can't just brush aside attacks on our commander and chief. Obama is going to have to travel to these same places and feel the same hatred of the U.S. as Bush.
Get serious!
They aren't going to throw shoes at Obama, even if they have the chance. You far right-wing republicans might need to worry should they get a chance at you, though, because, even now, you are wanting to agree with dubya, supporting him and his sicknesses.
Get it through your thick far right-wing republican head: That guy was mad at dubya and the evil he is, which is the evil the right-wing fanatical republicans allowed him to be.
They, the Arabs and the Muslims, are as happy as everyone (except the right-wing republicans...moderate republicans are glad too) that dubya is going.
Posted by raybond on :
Of course Bush is a good ducker he has had a lot of practice at ducking objects coming his way.
Bush just might be the most disliked person on earth.
And no he does not represent me as an American. Because I don;t consider him an American,as a matter of fact I don't think he should even be in the office he holds
Posted by bdgee on :
YEP!
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Reporter who threw shoes at Bush hailed as hero in Iraq
BAGHDAD - Thousands of Iraqis took to the streets Monday to demand the release of a reporter who threw his shoes at President George W. Bush, as Arabs across the Middle East hailed the journalist as a hero and praised his insult as a proper send-off to the unpopular U.S. president.
The protests came as a suicide truck bomber killed at least five police officers Monday at a checkpoint west of Baghdad, said Iraqi police.
Journalist Muntadhar al-Zeidi, who was kidnapped by Shiite militants last year, was being held by Iraqi security Monday and interrogated about whether anybody paid him to throw his shoes at Bush during a press conference the previous day in Baghdad, said an Iraqi official.
He was also being tested for alcohol and drugs, and his shoes were being held as evidence, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.
Showing the sole of your shoe to someone in the Arab world is a sign of extreme disrespect, and throwing your shoes is even worse.
Newspapers across the Arab world on Monday printed front-page photos of Bush ducking the flying shoes, and satellite TV stations repeatedly aired the incident, which provided fodder for jokes and was hailed by the president's many critics in the region.
"Iraq considers Sunday as the international day for shoes," said a joking text message circulating around the Saudi capital Riyadh.
Palestinian journalists in the West Bank town of Ramallah joked about who would be brave enough to toss their shoes at Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, another U.S. official widely disliked in the region.
Many users of the popular Internet networking site Facebook posted the video of the incident to their profile pages, showing al-Zeidi leap from his chair as Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki were about to shake hands Sunday and hurl his shoes at the president, who was about 20 feet away. Bush ducked the airborne footwear and was not injured in the incident.
"This is a farewell kiss, you dog," al-Zeidi yelled in Arabic as he threw his shoes. "This is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq."
Al-Zeidi was immediately wrestled to the ground by Iraqi security guards. The incident raised fears of a security lapse in the heavily guarded Green Zone where the press conference took place. Reporters were repeatedly searched and asked to show identification before entering and while inside the compound, which houses al-Maliki's office and the U.S. Embassy.
Al-Zeid's tirade was echoed by Arabs across the Middle East who are fed up with U.S. policy in the region and still angry over Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein.
The response to the incident by Arabs in the street was ecstatic.
"Al-Zeidi is the man," said 42-year-old Jordanian businessman Samer Tabalat. "He did what Arab leaders failed to do."
Hoping to capitalize on this sentiment, al-Zeidi's TV station, Al-Baghdadia, repeatedly aired pleas to release the reporter Monday, while showing footage of explosions and playing background music that denounced the U.S. in Iraq.
"We have all been mobilized to work on releasing him, and all the organizations around the world are with us," said Abdel-Hameed al-Sayeh, the manager of Al-Baghdadia in Cairo, where the station is based.
Al-Jazeera television interviewed Saddam's former chief lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi, who offered to defend al-Zeidi, calling him a "hero." In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags to protest against Bush and called for the release of al-Zeidi.
"Bush, Bush, listen well: Two shoes on your head," the protesters chanted in unison.
In Najaf, a Shiite holy city, some protesters threw their shoes at an American patrol as it passed by. Witnesses said the American troops did not respond and continued on their patrol.
Al-Zeidi, who is in his late 20s, was kidnapped by Shiite militias on Nov. 16, 2007, and released three days later. His station said no ransom was paid and refused to discuss the case.
Violence in Iraq has declined significantly over the past year, but daily attacks continue to occur. The truck bomb that killed five police officers Monday also wounded 13 others, said Iraqi police. Hours earlier north of Baghdad, a female suicide bomber knocked on the front door of the home of the leader of a local volunteer Sunni militia and blew herself up, killing him, police also said.
Posted by bdgee on :
I'm hailing him as a hero here!
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: RPG's and AK's may break my bones, but shoes will never hurt me
Actually Bush looked pretty dam quick.
My concern is Bush represents the office of President and we can't just brush aside attacks on our commander and chief. Obama is going to have to travel to these same places and feel the same hatred of the U.S. as Bush.
Get serious!
They aren't going to throw shoes at Obama, even if they have the chance. You far right-wing republicans might need to worry should they get a chance at you, though, because, even now, you are wanting to agree with dubya, supporting him and his sicknesses.
Get it through your thick far right-wing republican head: That guy was mad at dubya and the evil he is, which is the evil the right-wing fanatical republicans allowed him to be.
They, the Arabs and the Muslims, are as happy as everyone (except the right-wing republicans...moderate republicans are glad too) that dubya is going.
So they only hate Bush? I guess we can cancel all anti-terrorist activities now. Your such an air-head.
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I'm hailing him as a hero here!
Why don't you just get on a plane and go dance with your brothers in Iraq. What an AZZ you are!
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I'm hailing him as a hero here!
Why don't you just get on a plane and go dance with your brothers in Iraq. What an AZZ you are!
You really are a crude loudmouth fool.
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I'm hailing him as a hero here!
Why don't you just get on a plane and go dance with your brothers in Iraq. What an AZZ you are!
You really are a crude loudmouth fool.
Calling a spade a spade wouldn't you say?
Anyone that would champion a person who tries to harm our President is the real FOOL!
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
The security where bush was speaking was acutaly pretty damn good!!!
Why do you think he threw a shoe???
Cause there is no way in hell he was gonna sneak in an Auto-Matic Gun!!!!
And what was the Secret Service gonna do.....confiscate all of the shoes from the reporters before they entered the building!!!!
If Obama's biggest physical threat is a flying shoe heading toward his head....well I can live with that Posted by bdgee on :
I think the guy understood he would make a far greater statement to the Muslim and Arab worlds by throwing a shoe than by killing dubya.
As it is, he made a pretty solid statement to the non-Arab and non-Muslim worlds too.
I don't think he ever wanted or considered a gun. Gun shots would have sent the wrong message, one that would not have had any chance of helping his people and done more harm than good.
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I think the guy understood he would make a far greater statement to the Muslim and Arab worlds by throwing a shoe than by killing dubya.
As it is, he made a pretty solid statement to the non-Arab and non-Muslim worlds too.
I don't think he ever wanted or considered a gun. Gun shots would have sent the wrong message, one that would not have had any chance of helping his people and done more harm than good.
You really should be on MSNBC, what a profound statement that is.
Posted by bdgee on :
Oh rats, lock....I keep posting things with too big of words for you...
Sorry...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: You really should be on MSNBC, what a profound statement that is.
i agree, and Bush could show that he is a real man by laughing it off and issuing a pardon to the guy.
which i bet he does,if Iraqis will allow it.
one of the reasons i have always been against the war from day one was because it didn't look to me like the Iraqi's had stones. you can't GIVE people freedom if they don't have the grit to keep it. this guy obviously does, he knew he could have been shot on the spot, yet he didn't use deadly or even harmful force.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: You really should be on MSNBC, what a profound statement that is.
i agree, and Bush could show that he is a real man by laughing it off and issuing a pardon to the guy.
which i bet he does,if Iraqis will allow it.
one of the reasons i have always been against the war from day one was because it didn't look to me like the Iraqi's had stones. you can't GIVE people freedom if they don't have the grit to keep it. this guy obviously does, he knew he could have been shot on the spot, yet he didn't use deadly or even harmful force.
What he did is on par with Patric Henry's "Give me liberty of give me death".
And just as admirable;
It should settle in as a point of pride for all of his people.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
He probably didnt use deadly force because of security -
Bush in no way should issue a pardon - As any event, many in the Muslim world will march in the streets and shout death to america - and, those of you who have shown glee, should go march with the Iraqis -
Posted by bdgee on :
I think differently and I am in Texas.
Don't you guys ever get tired of thinking nasty thoughts about whomever is different from your vision of WASP Americans that worship the RNC?
Posted by thinkmoney on :
And, by what is on the news - the shoe guy hates americans - planned it -
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: And, by what is on the news - the shoe guy hates americans - planned it -
If he does, so what?
We, by actions of the republicans working in lock step with dubya, invaded his country with no good reason. Most likely, among the many thousands, that would otherwise be alive there, but who in the wake of our illegal invasion and occupation are not, he lost several relatives and more friends.
I don't hate Iraqis because of 9-11. For two reasons. Neither the country or its people had any part in that attack. I don't hate the Saudis for 9-11 either, though it was surely carried out mostly by Saudis, because most of them were as surprised by it as I was.
Anyway, what is to be gained by hatred. I lost any and all respect and concern for the republican party because of its use of hatred in political discourse.
I hope, if that guy "hates" America, he learns to get over that. It will be best for his digestion.
(I've kept up with the news pretty close today. From various sources and news agencies. I haven't noted any information from any, other than Fox, that would indicate that that guy hates Americans. Perhaps you are confusing "what is on Fox" with "what is on the news". Two entirely different beast.)
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Perhaps, you need to go back to first grade and learn to be polite, etc...LOL
I have seen it in a few sources, yahoo, abcnews, fox and Ill link this article from another source...
Are you so closed minded that you mistake what you do as polite?
As for the guy that tossed the shoes hating America or not, I repeat.
"If he does, so what?"
It ain't no skin of my back either way.
And it just wouldn't be Christian to hate him back, would it?
You need to find a hobby or something to fill in some of that idle time rather than waste it putting on a mean front.
And, like I said before, get over the hatred, your digestion will be better.
Posted by raybond on :
I still say I would like to buy mr. Shoe thrower a beer
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:Anyway, what is to be gained by hatred. I lost any and all respect and concern for the republican party because of its use of hatred in political discourse.
That's funny coming from a person who hates President Bush and everyone else that doesn't agree with this socialist views!
Posted by glassman on :
if more Islamic people expressed their frustration and anger by throwing shoes, and-or other civil disobedience, instead of strapping bombs to kids? the world would be a much better place.
Posted by bdgee on :
PM, you thrive on hate and disrespect so much you believe that is what motivates everyone else. It's a really bad mental condition you have.
I know you can't understand, but the vast majority of us are not consumed by hate and are not required to disrespect everyone that doesn't copy our emotions.
Sorry, I don't know dubya, don't love him, don't hate him.
I'm not going to ignore him if I run into him at the grocery store and he stops to introduce himself and I won't chase him down to make sure he notices me. I'll treat him with common courtesy, a thing you are hopelessly unfamiliar with.
However, should he ask, I'll not be put off or embarrassed and unable to answer. I'll calmly tell him I think he is evil and a criminal. I'll be honest with him just like anyone else.
And, unlike you, I'd do it without feeling any need to belittling anyone, even him.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Glass - "maybe you should go back to 1st grade..."
The above comment was not meant for you - I may disagree with you but I do have respect for you -
Posted by glassman on :
if everybody always agreed? it'd be a boring world.
Posted by bdgee on :
Probably more scary than boring.
In places and times when everyone is required to agree, like Germany in the 30s and 40s and Russia then and later, not agreeing could get you killed or even something more horrible.
In such places, even if you agree, a jealous ex or a spiteful neighbor or coworker or someone you never knew could report that you were suspected of disagreeing and you would be faced with the task of proving them wrong, without knowing who they were, what they had said, or any help of a lawyer. Not much chance to succeed at that in such a system.
Note that those specific examples nations I point out are probably the two most directly opposit3e regimes ever, both philosophically and politically, yet they suffered from the same illness. IT IS NOT THE POLITICAL SYSTEM THAT IS THE PROBLEM OR THE IDEOLOGY OR EVEN THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE. The problem lies in the absoluteness of the government's zeal to have only its voice heard and to have a one party system.
No, I like it where people can and do disagree openly and not secretly or only in times of crisis. It is with those that want to say what everyone must do, say, and think that I disagree the most and the most often.
Posted by $tock Weazel on :
I wonder if he got his shoes back?
Bush shoe-ing worst Arab insult
Read this article:
Around the Arab world, if you want to escalate a situation, by saying for example "I'm going to thump you", add the words "with a shoe" and you're adding serious insult to the threat of possible injury.
It's that cultural significance that has added real sting to the assault by an Iraqi journalist against US President George W Bush at a Baghdad news conference.
In Arab culture it's considered rude even to display the sole of one's shoe to a fellow human being.
Certainly, crossing one's legs ankle-on-knee style should never be done in a public place for fear of offending the person next to you.
The sensitivity is related to the fact shoes are considered ritually unclean in the Muslim faith.
In addition to ritual ablutions before prayer, Muslims must take off their shoes to pray, and wearing shoes inside a mosque is forbidden.
Shoes should either be left at the door of the mosque, or carried (preferably in the left hand with the soles pressed together).
But beyond the Islamic significance, the dirty and degrading implication of the sole of a shoe crosses all religious boundaries in the Middle East.
Following in the footsteps
There has been plenty of droll reaction in the wake of Sunday's shoe attack to experts who have informed the public that "throwing a shoe at someone's face is considered an insult in Islam".
History will record Mr Bush's last trip to Iraq, a country his government has left such an indelible mark upon, was greeted with a volley of shoes and a cry of 'dog'
The **** reaction (to articles not unlike the one you are reading) has been a sarcastic, "and in all other religions... it is a sign of affection, friendship, fellowship, and good feeling(!)" to quote chookie on democraticunderground.com.
But it is worth mentioning that there is quite a rich history when it comes to shoe-ing incidents involving Iraq and the Bushes.
The first was the floor mosaic at the front door to Baghdad's Rashid Hotel depicting the first President Bush.
Its location meant visitors to the hotel - frequented by top Baath regime officials and visiting VIPs - had to step on George Bush Snr's likeness, in revenge for alleged "war crimes" committed during the 1991 liberation of Kuwait.
The mosaic was reportedly dug up after the US military took over the hotel, following their overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003.
In that year the Iraqi shoe was much in evidence during popular protests against the fallen Iraqi ruler, being used to hit the posters and statues dedicated to him around the country.
Boot on the other foot
As anger over Washington's policies in the Middle East has grown in some Arab circles, it has been posters of George W Bush that have received the shoe treatment.
Now history will record that Mr Bush's last presidential trip to Iraq, a country his government has left such an indelible mark upon, was greeted with a volley of shoes and cries of "dog" (another extreme insult in Arabic) from Iraqi cameraman Muntadar al-Zaidi.
Fortunately for Mr Bush, who leaves office in just over a month, he was able to duck out of the way of the two shoes Mr Zaidi threw at him - presumably the only weapon the assailant was able to smuggle through the tight security cordon at Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's office.
Many of Mr Bush's supporters will see it as a mean-spirited gesture against a man whose policies liberated the country from a vicious dictator.
To illustrate the point, in a previous age, the perpetrator would be facing a summary, and probably agonising, death if he had dared confront Saddam Hussein's regime in such a way. Instead Mr Bush has been praised for his dignified response.
But others have hailed Mr Zaidi as a hero, for striking a symbolic blow against someone they hold responsible for devastating wars in the Muslim world that have cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
To illustrate the point, in a previous age, the perpetrator would be facing a summary, and probably agonising, death if he had dared confront Saddam Hussein's regime in such a way. Instead Mr Bush has been praised for his dignified response.
and lacking WMD? Bush's only excuse to invade was to "free" them from such atrocity.
until now i beleived that to be a waste of time, since the people would probably CHOOSE to end up right back where they stared with another strong-arm dictator...
i still think it's very likely they will end with another dictator, but this shoethrower shows that at least it isn't inevitable...
Posted by Machiavelli on :
quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: And, by what is on the news - the shoe guy hates americans - planned it -
Why should he love us?
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: The security where bush was speaking was acutaly pretty damn good!!!
Why do you think he threw a shoe???
Cause there is no way in hell he was gonna sneak in an Auto-Matic Gun!!!!
And what was the Secret Service gonna do.....confiscate all of the shoes from the reporters before they entered the building!!!!
If Obama's biggest physical threat is a flying shoe heading toward his head....well I can live with that
Bush shoe incident catches Secret Service flatfooted
WASHINGTON — Although the Secret Service put everyone who attended President George W. Bush's Baghdad news conference through several layers of security Sunday, the agency appeared to be caught off guard when an Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes at the president.
``We'll be our own harshest critic regarding this incident,'' Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said Monday, ``and we'll make any appropriate changes to security.''
Donovan said, however, that agents on the scene knew that everyone in attendance had been screened for weapons and that they appeared to have taken the ``appropriate level of action.'' No shots were fired as Bush's Secret Service detail joined Iraqi police in taking the shoe thrower into custody.
The arrested man, Muntathar al Zaidi, a 29-year-old employee of Cairo, Egypt -based Baghdadiya Television, remained in Iraqi custody Monday. Officials in Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki's office refused to comment on his condition or on whether he'd be criminally charged.
Throngs of Iraqi Shiite Muslims marched Monday in Sadr City, a sprawling Baghdad slum, hailing Zaidi as a hero and holding up shoes as they demanded his release.
The National Media Center, an arm of the Iraqi government that deals with the news media, condemned Zaidi's behavior as barbaric and harmful to ``Iraqi journalists and journalism in general,'' demanding an apology from his employer.
Baghdadiya hasn't apologized, and it pressed for Zaidi's release.
The Iraqi Union of Journalists took a middle road, saying it was ``astonished by this behavior'' but urging Zaidi's release ``for humanitarian reasons."
Video of the event at the prime minister's palace shows a tightly packed room in which most security personnel were forced to the sides, and 20 video cameras lined the back of the room.
About an hour before the news conference, a Secret Service agent arrived and gave waiting Iraqi journalists, who didn't know that Bush was making a surprise visit, a fourth and final search.
No Secret Service agent was in view on the video when Zaidi threw the first shoe at Bush's head from about 20 feet away and shouted in Arabic: ``This is a goodbye kiss, you dog.''
Bush dodged the shoe, and Maliki, who was standing to Bush's left, tried to block Zaidi's second attempt, which also missed its target. A Secret Service agent appeared to move to Bush's side, but the president waved him off.
The video shows that another Iraqi journalist, not security agents, pulled Zaidi to the floor before Iraqi police and Secret Service agents piled on him and carried him from the room.
While Bush wasn't harmed, the incident was reminiscent of John W. Hinckley's failed attempt to assassinate President Ronald Reagan on March 30, 1981 . Hinckley slipped into a crowd of reporters outside the Washington Hilton , and when Reagan emerged from a speaking appearance, the 25-year-old drifter fired six shots with a .22-caliber handgun, hitting Reagan in the chest, permanently disabling presidential press secretary Jim Brady with a bullet to the head and wounding a Secret Service agent and a police officer.
After that incident, the Secret Service began requiring journalists to undergo background checks, credentialing and screening with metal detectors.
Donovan said that everyone attending Sunday's event ``was searched for weapons and passed through several layers of security'' before entering the room. He said that they also were subject to name checks, identification checks and verification that they represented their identified news employers.
``It's obvious that (Bush) could have been hit in the head with a shoe,'' he said. ``Anytime there's an incident like this, we're going to review it. We're always trying to improve ourselves.''
(Ashton, a staff writer for The Modesto (Calif.) Bee , reported from Baghdad .)
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
The atheists on this board are the most sinister and ill willed of them all. Nothing speaks bigotry like bdgee or jordan reed the slander sorcerers! No wonder they are so unhappy in their life. It shows....no it SCREAMS from their posts how depressed they are. Lost souls? Or just grumps? YOU decide!
Posted by jordanreed on :
or maybe free thinkers...
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: The atheists on this board are the most sinister and ill willed of them all. Nothing speaks bigotry like bdgee or jordan reed the slander sorcerers! No wonder they are so unhappy in their life. It shows....no it SCREAMS from their posts how depressed they are. Lost souls? Or just grumps? YOU decide!
There ya go spouting hate and lies again.
You are a really a nasty hateful slime ball.
What screams from post is your hate and meanness and ignorance. You are simple too biased and bigoted to think and you resent anyone that does.
Posted by raybond on :
Well what I like they have the whole thing on tape so we can laugh at bush for years to come.
Posted by bdgee on :
good point
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: Well what I like they have the whole thing on tape so we can laugh at bush for years to come.
I've always loved this music video of Dubya and Cheney. I just find it hilarious everytime I watch it.
To tell the truth, I'm just glad he is going out and I'd as soon never be reminded of the shame he brought on out Nation ... and beyond that, to all the civilized Nations of the west.
There is no doubt that dubya is the absolute worst president ever of any Nation that has a president ever anywhere. The only possible reasonable comparisons to the sick evil of his regime are Nazis and Communist and once upon a time nobility dictators that, like dubya, had no respect for anyone.
I wish I could believe he was an isolated example, but I look through recent history and see a succession of other republican presidents that used the same basic philosophy and methods. I fear, in time, that ugly beast will rise again with some new name for "trickle down economics" and the same willingness to go to war in order to take advantage of public sentiment in order dictate politics.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: The atheists on this board are the most sinister and ill willed of them all. Nothing speaks bigotry like bdgee or jordan reed the slander sorcerers! No wonder they are so unhappy in their life. It shows....no it SCREAMS from their posts how depressed they are. Lost souls? Or just grumps? YOU decide!
There ya go spouting hate and lies again.
You are a really a nasty hateful slime ball.
What screams from post is your hate and meanness and ignorance. You are simple too biased and bigoted to think and you resent anyone that does.
I finally got it! bdgee is trying to be like Keith Olberman! Is it just me or does it shine?
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: The atheists on this board are the most sinister and ill willed of them all. Nothing speaks bigotry like bdgee or jordan reed the slander sorcerers! No wonder they are so unhappy in their life. It shows....no it SCREAMS from their posts how depressed they are. Lost souls? Or just grumps? YOU decide!
There ya go spouting hate and lies again.
You are a really a nasty hateful slime ball.
What screams from post is your hate and meanness and ignorance. You are simple too biased and bigoted to think and you resent anyone that does.
I finally got it! bdgee is trying to be like Keith Olberman! Is it just me or does it shine?
There's definatly some similarities. You can tell all he watches is MSNBC because he spouts info almost word for word.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Your question is unusual in that you imply that Americans should be hated - That is disconcerting - Your many posts have a subtle detest for Americans - You should be lucky to have the freedom you do -
I am an American and proud of it --
I do not support most of Bush's policy but I do respect the office and my point was - I do not support an Iraqi who detests Bush, Americans and detests the US soldiers -
Posted by bdgee on :
"I do not support most of Bush's policy :
I do hope you were protected by a lightning rod as you said that.
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "I do not support most of Bush's policy :
I do hope you were protected by a lightning rod as you said that.
LMAO That's funny.
Posted by bdgee on :
Maybe you don't read correctly.
"I do not support most of Bush's policy", is a quote from a statement by TM.
To which I point out an obvious concern.
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Maybe you don't read correctly.
"I do not support most of Bush's policy", is a quote from a statement by TM.
To which I point out an obvious concern.
I read it correctly and I enjoyed the humorous intent.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Buldgee -- you already have been struck as shown by your comments -
Posted by bdgee on :
TM, you apparently imagine you have facility with the language.
You don't. Not a smidgen.
Whatever you intended to be talking about is a mystery.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Maybe you don't read correctly.
"I do not support most of Bush's policy", is a quote from a statement by TM.
To which I point out an obvious concern.
I read it correctly and I enjoyed the humorous intent.
My mistake!
Then you read it as I intended it, as a laugh.
Posted by $tock Weazel on :
A Saudi Arabian man is willing to pay 10 million for the shoes
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