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Posted by glassman on :
 
I predict

Obama 53.2%
McCain 46.6%

the electoral college will be 301 to 237 for Obama.

you can calculate your electoral college pick here:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008/pick-your-president/
 
Posted by cottonjim on :
 
Obama 52.7%
McCain 46.8%
Bugs Bunny .4% (record voter turn out)
other .1%

[Wink]
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
McCain 50.1%
Obama 49.7%

Imagine the riots...
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
McCain 277
Osama 261
McCain 49.0%
Osama 49.4%
Ron Paul 1.0%
Other .6%
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
McCain 50.1%
Obama 49.7%

Imagine the riots...

i'm ready [Smile]
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Obama may be right...

I'll be clingin' to my Mossberg 835.

Then dump 'em in the lake, since the cops will be too busy. I'll leave them a message on the answerin' machine.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i sure am glad i'm not a landlord, might as well paint a target on yer back [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Crap, I almost forgot...

It sux when they're shootin' back.
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
Popular Vote:
54% Obama
43% McCain
3% Other

Electoral College:
194 McCain
344 Obama

Am I an Optimist? We will find out in 11 days 4 hours and 12 minutes. (extra day added to vote and tally)
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
McCain 277
Osama 261
McCain 49.0%
Osama 49.4%
Ron Paul 1.0%
Other .6%

very good estimate, I will go with that as well.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
you guys are supposed to b guessing what's really going to happen, not what you wish would happen [Big Grin]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
lol, Glassy-Eyed...

Very few humans can project a future that runs counter to their wishes.
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
[Big Grin] I really think we are about to see something historic, and it has little to do with race or gender. It has everything to do with a discontented public shouting out their disapproval.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Electoral College Popular Vote

Obama 375 52.6%

McCain 163 43.1%

Third Party 4.3%
 
Posted by urnso77 on :
 
Electoral Votes:

McCain 282

Obama 256

In my scoring I gave both Florida and Ohio to McCain and both are very much up for grabs. If Obama wins either one of those I got Obama winning.

I also gave NM to Obama and CO to McCain. These states are also toss ups at this point.

My gut tells me Obama will win this thing but I'm hoping that is wrong. Doesn't matter though since we're screwed regardless.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Doesn't matter though since we're screwed regardless.

always have been, always will be... that's why we call them POLITICIANS [Wink]
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by urnso77:
Electoral Votes:

McCain 282

Obama 256

In my scoring I gave both Florida and Ohio to McCain and both are very much up for grabs. If Obama wins either one of those I got Obama winning.

I also gave NM to Obama and CO to McCain. These states are also toss ups at this point.

My gut tells me Obama will win this thing but I'm hoping that is wrong. Doesn't matter though since we're screwed regardless.

I don't think those States are up for grabs. Obama leads by 7% and 9%. I wouldn't call that close or up for grabs in my book. Obama also leads in Colorado. I think we are gonna see a landslide this year. Even GOP analysts are saying as much.

BATTLEGROUND POLL: Obama leading in 2 key states

Barack Obama leads in Florida and Ohio, states Republican John McCain must win to capture the presidency, as voters prefer the Democratic presidential nominee's personal traits and approach on the economy and health care, a poll shows.

Obama, an Illinois senator, tops Arizona Sen. McCain by 50%-43% among likely voters in Florida, a Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll shows. He leads 49%-40% in Ohio. Voters in the two states overwhelmingly rate domestic concerns as more important than national security.

The survey of 809 registered voters in Florida -- including 639 likely voters -- and of 816 registered voters in Ohio -- including 644 likely voters -- was conducted Saturday through Monday. The margin of error in both states is plus or minus 3 percentage points among registered voters, and plus or minus 4 points among likely voters.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
Btw, here's a little info on that "close" Colorado race.

Poll: Obama doubles lead in Colorado, gains in electoral map
CNN/Time/Opinion Research Corp. Poll released on Wednesday
More battleground states are going Obama's way, poll shows
CNN: Colorado now leans Obama, Indiana a toss-up state
Obama now has 286 electoral votes, McCain with 163, CNN map shows


From Paul Steinhauser
CNN Deputy Political Director

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Call it the Rocky Mountain road to the White House.

A new state poll suggests that Sen. Barack Obama has doubled his lead over John McCain in Colorado.

In a CNN/Time/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Wednesday, 53 percent of likely voters questioned say Obama is their choice for president, with 45 percent backing Sen. John McCain. That 8 point lead for Obama is double the 4-point advantage he held in a similar poll two weeks ago.

"Older voters in Colorado have started to break Obama's way," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. "Two weeks ago he was losing the over-50 crowd by a couple of points. Now he has a 5-point edge among them."

The new numbers in Colorado, along with similar findings from other new polls in the state, are factors in CNN's move of Colorado from a toss-up state to an Obama on CNN's new electoral college map.

CNN is also changing Indiana from leaning McCain to toss-up.

A new CNN Poll of Polls in Indiana suggests McCain holds a 2-point lead over Obama in a state that hasn't voted Democrat in a presidential election since 1964. The poll of polls is an average of the latest state surveys. Watch more on how the candidates are polling across the country »

With the switch of Colorado (9 electoral votes) and Indiana (11 electoral votes), CNN now estimates that if the election were held today Obama would win states with 286 electoral votes and McCain states with 163, with 89 electoral votes still up for grabs. Two-hundred and seventy electoral votes are needed to clinch the presidency.

The estimated 286 electoral votes for Obama is a jump from 274 in CNN's most recent electoral college map.

Washington state is also being moved from leaning Obama to safe for Obama, but that move doesn't change the electoral count.

The CNN Electoral College map is an estimate of what could occur if the election were held today. State polls, voting trends, campaign visits and advertising, are among the factors used in deciding the electoral college map.

Colorado is one of three western states that voted for George W. Bush four years ago. The others are Nevada and New Mexico. Democrats have been making major gains across the west at the state level the past two election cycles and the party held its nominating convention in Denver, Colorado, this summer, as part of a strategy to win the West in the race for the White House.

CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider said Obama's widening lead in Colorado is being "propelled by an amazing 15-point Democratic lead in Colorado's fast-growing suburbs. The nation's economy has faltered, and so has Republican support, for nearly 30 years the cornerstone of the Reagan coalition."

The poll also suggests Obama is holding onto a strong lead in Virginia, with 53 percent of those questioned backing Obama and 44 percent supporting McCain. That 9-point lead is down from a 10-point lead Obama held in our last poll conducted in Virginia last week. No Democrat has won Virginia in a presidential contest since Lyndon Johnson carried the state in 1964.

Both McCain and Obama, campaigning in Florida Wednesday, are fighting hard to win the state's 27 electoral votes. The poll indicates Obama holds a small 4-point edge, 51 percent to 47 percent. Bush carried Florida by 5 points as he won re-election as president in 2004.

Bush also won Georgia by 17 points over Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee, in that election. But the poll suggests McCain holds a much smaller lead over Obama this time around. Fifty-two percent of likely Georgia voters are backing McCain, with 47 percent supporting Obama. That 5-point lead for McCain is down from an 8-point lead McCain held in our last poll, conducted two weeks ago.

The poll indicates another state Bush carried in 2004, Missouri, is basically a dead heat. McCain holds a 2-point lead in the poll, 50 percent to 48 percent, well within in the survey's sampling error of 3.5 percentage points.

The poll was also expanded to include the major third party candidates, Independent Ralph Nader, Libertarian candidate Bob Barr, and Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney. None of them are polling over 4 percent in any of the states CNN polled and none of them seem to be a factor in the outcome of the results in those five states other than Missouri, where Nader's 4 percent showing could have an impact.

But will he hurt either McCain or Obama?

"In most of the states we have polled in, the margin between Obama and McCain is the same in the two-way match-up as it is when we include the minor-party candidates," Holland said. "That indicates that Barr, Nader and McKinney together may be drawing equally from both the Democratic and Republican candidates."

The CNN/Time/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted Thursday through Tuesday, with 774 likely voters in Colorado, 747 likely voters in Florida, 690 likely voters in Georgia, 825 likely voter in Missouri, and 721 likely voters in Virginia questioned by telephone.

CNN's Ed Hornick and Keating Holland contributed to this report.
 
Posted by urnso77 on :
 
Let me explain my methodology then. I think the polls are skewed so I'm using the URN 6 percent model. Any state race that says obama is winning but by 6 points or less, I've giving it to McCain. I based those projections on the Rasmussen polls in particular when I did my calculations.

This election is going to be closer than you think. Obama may win this thing but it won't be a landslide. No way.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29050#continueA

If I'm completely wrong and this thing is a landslide then I invite you to mock me and laugh at me late next week when we get the final results. But you'll probably just mock and laugh at me now. Never stopped bdgee and it shouldn't stop you neither.

Kudos goes out to cashcowmoo, propertymanager, lockman, and retiredat40 for making me smile.

Urn
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by urnso77:
Let me explain my methodology then. I think the polls are skewed so I'm using the URN 6 percent model. Any state race that says obama is winning but by 6 points or less, I've giving it to McCain. I based those projections on the Rasmussen polls in particular when I did my calculations.

This election is going to be closer than you think. Obama may win this thing but it won't be a landslide. No way.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29050#continueA

If I'm completely wrong and this thing is a landslide then I invite you to mock me and laugh at me late next week when we get the final results. But you'll probably just mock and laugh at me now. Never stopped bdgee and it shouldn't stop you neither.

Kudos goes out to cashcowmoo, propertymanager, lockman, and retiredat40 for making me smile.

Urn

I wouldn't mock you at all. You simply stated your opinion. My differs, thats all. We shall know for sure in 5 days. Have a good one Urnso.
 
Posted by urnso77 on :
 
now i really hope its not a landslide [BadOne]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i'm thinking along the same lines urn.


however? it won't surprise me to see the landlside either.

why?

because i believe there are alot of voters who won't admit to voting for a person of color that actually will.

and i say that because in spite of all of this socialism talk?

what i see is people really wondering where all the money went.

i've followed this campaign closely enough to recall that despite Obama's lack of saying anything substantive? he's been consistent.

McCain was my choice over Bush. I don't want to see the Dems (or any one party) in control of everything. But it is really hard to find a reason to vote FOR McCain. lesser of two evils? we've been saying that for years now...

the good news is that if Obama gets up there and doesn't actually work for the middle class like he says? the Dems will lose big in the next election and in '12
 
Posted by urnso77 on :
 
very good points made there glass. Obama has definately been the more consistant candidate. Maybe he took notes from 4 years ago when Kerry was flip flopping all over the place and it hurt him. 04 was almost like a never ending saturday night live skit to me. Every other day we had Kerry doing something funny (falling while skiing, dressing up in NASA space costumes, water skiing, etc) Also he was so easy to make fun of too. Obama has had a great campaign and never really put his foot in his mouth. He's been playing it very cautious which is what i would do if I was up in the polls. anyway i digress...

McCain and Palin contradict each other and while I like Palin a lot, the reality is that she's not the candidate and McCain is. McCain changed views on several issues conveniently when his campaign got going and many true conservatives (like myself) don't really like him too much.

As far as the unchecked power the dems would get, I think this is a HUGE and great opportunity (if obama wins) to really get the liberal agenda advanced and if it works out good for them. I happen to think that it will blow up in their faces but heck here's their chance right?
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
"If I'm completely wrong and this thing is a landslide then I invite you to mock me and laugh at me late next week when we get the final results. But you'll probably just mock and laugh at me now. Never stopped bdgee and it shouldn't stop you neither."

Look, dufus, you may not like it when you have to face the fact that you are wrong and you may not like it that I was the one that told you it would be the case, but I told you beforehand, I did not wait 'til after and I did not hang around to mock you afterward.

Your kudos went exactly to other dufuses that are equally into spreading lies and crap and then insulting those that pointed out the truth.

There is no need to mock a looser. It serves no purpose.

It doesn't turn them into anything they aren't already. Those with integrity learn from the mistake and, hopefully, learn not to be deceitful liars. The rest, hoping to avoid the guilt for their errors or misdirect the blame, insult and demean those that told the truth.
 
Posted by urnso77 on :
 
cmon man where's the love? [Were Up]
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by urnso77:
very good points made there glass. Obama has definately been the more consistant candidate. Maybe he took notes from 4 years ago when Kerry was flip flopping all over the place and it hurt him. 04 was almost like a never ending saturday night live skit to me. Every other day we had Kerry doing something funny (falling while skiing, dressing up in NASA space costumes, water skiing, etc) Also he was so easy to make fun of too. Obama has had a great campaign and never really put his foot in his mouth. He's been playing it very cautious which is what i would do if I was up in the polls. anyway i digress...

McCain and Palin contradict each other and while I like Palin a lot, the reality is that she's not the candidate and McCain is. McCain changed views on several issues conveniently when his campaign got going and many true conservatives (like myself) don't really like him too much.

As far as the unchecked power the dems would get, I think this is a HUGE and great opportunity (if obama wins) to really get the liberal agenda advanced and if it works out good for them. I happen to think that it will blow up in their faces but heck here's their chance right?

We have seen the Democratic liberals gain power before, the Clinton years. And the country was prosperous. Now to say Obama will have the same effect is up in the air. I'm actually interested to see if he keeps his word on helping the middle class. Waiting for the proof in the pudding as they say.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by urnso77:
cmon man where's the love? :u:

You need to carefully, seriously and attentively speak that slowly as you look directly into a mirror held just in front of your face and perpendicular to your line of sight.
 
Posted by urnso77 on :
 
just chill out and have fun. you'll live longer.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by urnso77:
just chill out and have fun. you'll live longer.

I didn't mock you and it is you that needs to "chill out".

Again:

"There is no need to mock a looser. It serves no purpose.

It doesn't turn them into anything they aren't already. Those with integrity learn from the mistake and, hopefully, learn not to be deceitful liars. The rest, hoping to avoid the guilt for their errors or misdirect the blame, insult and demean those that told the truth."
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
I predict that Obama will be our next president. I do so based on the evidence, not as a preference or political position.

Politically, I feel that one of the main reasons that Obama will win is that he has demonstrated reasonable judgment throughout the campaign, while his presidential opponent displayed his inability to function at the level of responsibility necessary for the position with an absurdly whimsical and asinine VP pick of a fool, who has nowhere near the experience and integrity essential to ever be a successful president of even a second rate banana republic.

I remain amazed that the republicans could not field a candidate that was superior to McCain. It was only clear during the primaries that no republican candidate had any idea what the people were demanding.

There were a number of democratic candidates that at least had some idea of the mood of the electorate and would have molded into essentially what Obama has become. Somehow, he did it more smoothly.

My preference of them all would have been Richardson, with Biden a close second, all based on their valuable list of experiences and their standing in the world arena.

Hopefully, with God's favor, we can remain a democracy and yield to the mood of the people.
 
Posted by urnso77 on :
 
1. name calling is for 1st graders
2. I don't see the "reasonable judgement" for Obama that you do.

people who sit in a church with reverend wright and hang out with people like Bill Ayers don't have reasonable judgement imo.

3. McCain sucks big deal
4. Biden is a joke but fits in perfectly with Obama's weakness on foreign policy

5. I like steak and beer for dinner
6. socialism here we come
7. I added number 5 just to see if you were paying attention.

Urn
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
As is the case with far too many in today's world, too many on this board are afflicted with bumper sticker reasoning. What needs a complete sentence or more to express is beyond them.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by urnso77:
just chill out and have fun. you'll live longer.

you know i'm not sure that's true...

most people that i have known in their 80's were pretty mean [Wink]
 
Posted by urnso77 on :
 
this is true
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
I predict that Obama will be our next president. I do so based on the evidence, not as a preference or political position.

Politically, I feel that one of the main reasons that Obama will win is that he has demonstrated reasonable judgment throughout the campaign, while his presidential opponent displayed his inability to function at the level of responsibility necessary for the position with an absurdly whimsical and asinine VP pick of a fool, who has nowhere near the experience and integrity essential to ever be a successful president of even a second rate banana republic.

I remain amazed that the republicans could not field a candidate that was superior to McCain. It was only clear during the primaries that no republican candidate had any idea what the people were demanding.

There were a number of democratic candidates that at least had some idea of the mood of the electorate and would have molded into essentially what Obama has become. Somehow, he did it more smoothly.

My preference of them all would have been Richardson, with Biden a close second, all based on their valuable list of experiences and their standing in the world arena.

Hopefully, with God's favor, we can remain a democracy and yield to the mood of the people.

Sounds like you've made your case, except for the Palin part. She's new to the national stage and was attack immediately. She will become just as slick as the rest given time.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Palin's record isn't all that great.

she raised the tax on oil co's and gave the cash to her constituents.


sound familiar?

isn't this the big complaint against Obama?

she got where she is by back-stabbing (if you're part of the GOP power structure)she's even campaigning against her own party now...

that's easier to get away with in a small town than it is in Wash DC... Alaska is a small town with very long streets, Memphis has as many people as Alaska does...

it's not likely she will be able to garner any party power because nobody will trust her...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
PALIN has her fault's and I can't say I agree with everything she says, but I feel she was attacked from the beginning and never really given a chance to learn how to face the national media.
Joe Biden has made many gaffs during the last couple of months and there dismissed as that's just Joe.
 
Posted by ohio_trader on :
 
if any republican ever won this election after all the complaining about bush then the democratic party should be broken up for ever!

golf term and very appropriate to this election- this was A TAP IN!
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ohio_trader:
if any republican ever won this election after all the complaining about bush then the democrat party should be broken up for ever!

golf term and very appropriate to this election- this was A TAP IN!

Your right.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I believe that Obama will win and that the Democrats will have a large Majority in Congress.

With the number of problems they will be facing, thanks to Bush, they will not be able to push most of the programs that might have in other years.

2 years from now. I'm sure Congress will look much different than it does when Obama takes office. THe reason I say that is that the Right will jump all over the fact that Obama and the Dem's won't be able to fix the problems in the 18 months leading up to the Mid Term elections.

Heck, in reality I doubt that either party could fix what ails the country during the full 4 yr term. There is just too much damage control to be done. It won't matter that it took 8 yrs to get into the mess, all that will matter is that there isn't a quick fix.

As far as campaign promises, get real. Even the Conservative Icon, Ronald Reagan didn't live up to his campaign promises. (see the article link below).

So McCain, a Reaganite, and many of today's conservatives that idolize Reagan say that taxing corporations is bad economics. How can that be:
"Reagan continued these "modest rollbacks" in his second term. The historic Tax Reform Act of 1986, though it achieved the supply side goal of lowering individual income tax rates, was a startlingly progressive reform. The plan imposed the largest corporate tax increase in history--an act utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today. Just two years after declaring, "there is no justification" for taxing corporate income, Reagan raised corporate taxes by $120 billion over five years and closed corporate tax loopholes worth about $300 billion over that same period. In addition to broadening the tax base, the plan increased standard deductions and personal exemptions to the point that no family with an income below the poverty line would have to pay federal income tax. Even at the time, conservatives within Reagan's administration were aghast. According to Wall Street Journal reporters Jeffrey Birnbaum and Alan Murray, whose book Showdown at Gucci Gulch chronicles the 1986 measure, "the conservative president's support for an effort once considered the bastion of liberals carried tremendous symbolic significance." When Reagan's conservative acting chief economic adviser, William Niskanen, was apprised of the plan he replied, "Walter Mondale would have been proud."(see complete article link below)

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0301.green.html
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Careful, wallymac. It's one thing to point out a king has no clothes, but Reagan is their god.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
the Right will jump all over the fact that Obama and the Dem's won't be able to fix the problems in the 18 months

LOL, that's nothing. i was listening to a net broadcast yesterday where the whole sub-prime crisis was blamed on Carter. And it's funny cuz it is a pretty serious broadcast with a lot of criticism of the market problems
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Neither candidate can fix this mess anytime soon, not even in the next four years IMO.

I wonder how long social security will be thrown on the back burner for? I guess untill it actually fails.

My guess is that it will be a major issue in the next election.
 
Posted by osubucks30 on :
 
Obama: 348 McCain: 190

Popular vote: Obama: 52 McCain: 46
 
Posted by osubucks30 on :
 
Tax cuts under Obama. (Unless you make $250,000 a year)See what you would get!

Link:
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by osubucks30:
Tax cuts under Obama. (Unless you make $250,000 a year)See what you would get!

Link:
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/

Tax cuts under Obama. LOL

Isn't that an oxymoron...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
"Tax cuts under Obama. LOL

Isn't that an oxymoron..."

Absolutely not.

Only one so the narrow minded that they refuse to check it out or the hopelessly undereducated that can't do the simple arithmetic or won't go to one of the many non-partisan sites that will and have done it for them can believe that lie.

In other words, only an outré-moron could imagine a tax cut under Obama's plan could be an oxymoron.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Well, actually the numbers keep changing. It started out at $250K, then $200K, then $150K, now $120K...and that's what they're willing to admit. The truth is that when they allow the Bush tax cuts to expire and Osama Obama raises taxes, almost everyone that works will get a tax increase. But the good news is that those that are too lazy to work will get a tax cut......oops, I guess they can't get a tax cut if they don't pay taxes. The lazy people will get a "share the wealth" welfare check!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Well, actually the numbers keep changing. It started out at $250K, then $200K, then $150K, now $120K...and that's what they're willing to admit. The truth is that when they allow the Bush tax cuts to expire and Osama Obama raises taxes, almost everyone that works will get a tax increase. But the good news is that those that are too lazy to work will get a tax cut......oops, I guess they can't get a tax cut if they don't pay taxes. The lazy people will get a "share the wealth" welfare check!

they only changed if you watch Fox "News"

the lying over there is so intense, they've lost track of even what they have said...
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Didn't Biden just recently contradict Obama's $250K no tax increase number?
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Yes, Biden, Richardson, and even Obama have contradicted the $250K. The truth is that almost everyone paying taxes will end up with a tax increase. That's ok, it's our civic duty to share our wealth with those that are too lazy to work!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
it's in the semantics.

"What we're saying is, that $87 billion tax break doesn't need to go to people making an average of $1.4 million," Biden said.

"It should go to middle-class people, people who make $150,000 a year."

Actually, Barack Obama has promised to cut taxes on households earning less than $200,000 a year while raising taxes on those who make more than $250,000 annually.


there's big difference between saying your taxes won't go up (at 200-250) and saying your taxes will go down at 150...


"Senator Obama has made a lot of promises. First, he said people making less than $250,000 would benefit from his plan.

"Then, this weekend, he announced in an ad that if you're a family making less than $200,000 you'll benefit - but yesterday right here in Pennsylvania, Senator Biden said tax relief should only go to 'middle-class people' - people making under $150,000 a year.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/10292008/news/politics/biden_blows_fuzzy_tax_math_13 5787.htm

everybody wants to twist the words into lies when they are perfeclty consistent...

if you make 150K$? your taxes will go dwon..

if you make 200K$? they WON'T and Obama never said they would...

this seems to confuse the feebs...
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
So then FOX news is accurate in that statement, according to the NY Post?

Has Biden come out and mentioned any mis-statements on his part?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
So then FOX news is accurate in that statement.

which?

i watch Fox "news" constantly...


what i hear is the same stuff PM is saying...

Obama never said your taxes would go down if you make 250K$ that i heard..

it's a progressive thing just like it alwyas has been...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Yes, Biden, Richardson, and even Obama have contradicted the $250K. The truth is that almost everyone paying taxes will end up with a tax increase. That's ok, it's our civic duty to share our wealth with those that are too lazy to work!

Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor issued a statement that corrected the vice-presidential candidate without explicitly saying so.

"No family making less than $250,000 will see their tax increases one cent," Vietor said. "And if your family makes less than $200,000 - as 95 percent of workers and their families do - you'll get a tax cut."

from the same article as above...

PM you don't even have clue what honesty means..
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
...and then Richardson, another Obama surrogate said $120K. They can't get the numbers straight because it's all a big lie! If you work hard and pay taxes, YOUR taxes are going up. If you're a lazy deadbeat, you're getting an additional welfare check.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Reversing the Bush tax breaks wouldn't have anything to do with it by chance?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
...and then Richardson, another Obama surrogate said $120K. They can't get the numbers straight because it's all a big lie! If you work hard and pay taxes, YOUR taxes are going up. If you're a lazy deadbeat, you're getting an additional welfare check.

once again? mentioning a pay level and saying that that pay level will get a tax decrease doesn't mean that it's the "cutoff point"

and i have a difficult time understanding how stupid you would have to be to attempt to make the leap...

of course if you want Mccain to be president than you might try to make up lies.

thing is? America is tired of being lied to...

it's not as though Obama has some sort of magic truth gene in him... but he just hasn't bene running a campaign on lies.. like everybody else has for the last.... well,forever..
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
but he just hasn't bene running a campaign on lies..

No one can say that for sure just yet.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
but he just hasn't bene running a campaign on lies..

No one can say that for sure just yet.

i agree absolutely Peaser.

it's not like i'm campaigning for him (in spite of what some feebs would think) i'm just interested in sorting thru the lies.

for all i know? he will raise taxes on everybody...

in '04? when Bush got re-elected? 70% of America still beleived that sadam was involved in 9-11.. today ? about 5% do...

thing is? there was a Senate (GOP run) report out for four months before the election that said in plain english that Sadam was not involved...

when you go into the booth? there's nobody else there to see who you vote for.

but as for spreading lies? it's just wrong...

when Obama's tax plan cam e out? there was no trillion dollar bailout...

i fully expect Obama will not be out of Iraq in 16 months like he's said he would be.. and he knows it. and it's going to piss off his own people... it's not going to piss me off, cuz i'm not "one of his people"...
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
I watch Fox most of the time, sometimes CNN.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
LOL... Hannity has some guy on right now already blaming the coming depression on Obama... what a hoot.. boy am i scared.... [Eek!]

i can't beleive they pay this guy money to get on TV...

he "earns" how many millions a year? it's more like selling your soul than anything else..
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
I watch Fox most of the time, sometimes CNN.

i switch 'em around every few minutes... NPR. MSNBS CNBC CNN and Fox...

i wish my cable co. would get bloomberg, they seem to be th emost unbiased of any of them...
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Here's the video of Osama Obama and all his surrogates quoting the tax cut numbers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TihPRGlYH0o
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Almost forgot CNBC, lol watch that just about every day for hours.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Hannity was just upset, he doesn't want to pay more in taxes...

He also just brought up Reagan, and what he did when he first took over. lol

I wonder what our national debt will climb to when we finally get it on with Iran? I don't even wanna think about it. We might just have to confiscate the oil in that one... [Big Grin]

Maybe make Iran a US territory, in some twisted way.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
"Read my lips, no new taxes." [Wall Bang]

- Bush Sr.

Wait and see if we'll see any new famous quotes in the upcoming term.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
PM, you are a dimwit at most.

If you ask a man if he is 6 feet tall and says "Yes", it is not a lie becausae he is 6'3". He is also five feet tall and four feet tall and so on.

If a 30 year old man says he is eligible to buy beer because the law says it is illegal to sell it to anyone under 21, he is not declaring he is only 21.

You are a joke.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
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glassman writes:
but he just hasn't bene running a campaign on lies..

Peaser reply:
No one can say that for sure just yet.


glassman writes:
i agree absolutely Peaser.
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When did you become sarcastic? [BadOne]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
When did you become sarcastic?

sarcastic? who? me? [Big Grin] heck, i like paying taxes. i want to give all my money to the lazy poor people...

you know what?, i think i'll take a second job just so i can give more alms....

truth is? i'm not too excited about either one...

i am pretty "excited" about the bull crap tho...

people are all worried about paying the Govt bills all of a sudden? why? "they"'ll just print more money...

isn't that what "they"'ve been doing all along?

and voting? what's the big deal? your vote doesn't count. "they" decide in the back room and tell us whatever the count "they" decided upon...


one day a few weeks ago? Bush said "they" need 700 billion$ and after a few days arguing? "they" got it...

and then "they" crashed the DOW just to prove "they" needed the money...

why on earth does anybody thing McCain or Obama matter? both of 'em'll just do whatever "they" tell 'em to [Big Grin]


you know what i don't get? why isn't anybody asking WHO it was that was on the winning side of all the CDS'es? somebody is actually making billions offa "they" and i haven't heard one single person ask who is on the winning side of the trade...
instead? the pundits want to villify Obama or Mccai depending on which station they work at...

i guess i'm just geting to be too jaded...
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
j-j-j-j-jaded...

What's the deal with Obama's Aunt being here illegally for 5 years. lol

I bet the GOP has known this info for months and chose to pull it out now to get folks to make a last minute decision at the polls. Pretty strategic...

Well, I wonder who's house will have the last pane standing in the end. Looks like it'll prolly come down to the end with all that has transpired in the last month.

Do I believe Obama is a Socialist... Not exactly because when was the last time that everyone paid an equal percentage in taxes, of what they earned, no matter what the tax bracket they fell into?

Is he Christian, or Muslim, or sump'um else?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1hFwigq6lU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RkqYUqPSU0
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Funny McCain intro on SNL.

I love the Palin in 2012 t's.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Crap... Thanks for the reminder. Gonna have to watch what I missed online later on.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
LOL, Olberman being played by Ben Afleck on SNL. Hillarious. Ticked I missed the McCain opening.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Oh crap, McCain is actually on SNL.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
LOL, The "Double-Maverick strategy"

"The sad grandpa(stategy), c'mon, Obama is gonna have plenty of chances to be pres."

- John McCain

That was actually funny, McCain poking fun at himself and couldn't keep a straight face through it.
 
Posted by Peaser on :
 
Was Obama, or will he be on SNL anyone know?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
That was good stuff. LOL
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
I predict

Obama 53.2%
McCain 46.6%

the electoral college will be 301 to 237 for Obama.

you can calculate your electoral college pick here:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008/pick-your-president/

looks like i was a little off on the electoral college...
 
Posted by osubucks30 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by osubucks30:
Obama: 348 McCain: 190

Popular vote: Obama: 52 McCain: 46

This was my projection.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
that's a pretty close prediction..

closer than mine. closer than Karl Rove even...
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
Popular Vote:
54% Obama
43% McCain
3% Other

Electoral College:
194 McCain
344 Obama

I was high on the popular vote and low on the college. Go figure.
 
Posted by cottonjim on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cottonjim:
Obama 52.7%
McCain 46.8%
Bugs Bunny .4% (record voter turn out)
other .1%

[Wink]

Pretty close
 


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