This is why Hillary will win West Virgina. It's a little scary when you think about it.
quote: In Man, Obama's race and name give Clinton an advantage
By Anna Sale May 2, 2008
Polls and national pundits aren’t giving Barack Obama much hope for a victory in West Virginia. A March poll showed Hillary Clinton leading Obama by 28 percentage points, with 18 percent undecided.
****gers and national commentators have focused on Clinton’s strong support in Appalachia. She has dominated Appalachian counties so far.
Anna Sale visited Logan County this week to see if the word on the street matches these national projections. And at least in the town of Man in Logan County, Hillary Clinton has nothing to worry about this primary season.
Sale : Man High school’s website reads “Home of the Hillbillies…and proud of it!”
The small town has just over 700 residents, and like many southern west Virginia towns, it’s main street sports two barber shops, a handful of lunch spots, and other local stores.
It’s in a county where 86 percent of voters are registered Democrats, but Republicans have been getting more support in presidential elections. Al Gore won Logan County with 62 percent of the vote, but four years later, John Kerry edged George Bush in the county by just 5 points.
And this primary season, voters in Man aren’t happy about their choices on May 13.
Justice: I don’t think we have a whole lot of choices.
Sale : Stephanie Justice brought her two kids into Floyd’s barber shop.
She’s supporting Clinton in the primary, but not without reservations.
Justice : Well, I liked Bill Clinton real well, and I think, I agree with a lot of the things she says. I don’t really, I don’t know that I agree with a woman president, but if it came down to it, and Obama won the primary, I would vote Republican.
She says she doesn’t believe that Obama is Christian. She believes he’s a Muslim. But that’s not the only reason she doesn’t like him.
Justice: I just don’t trust him, I don’t know why. He gives me the creeps. And his wife says this is the first time she’s ever been proud of America. I don’t know how you can be a First Lady and not say you’re proud to be an American, you know what I mean? You want to help a country that you’re not even proud of? So, I don’t know, you know, Hillary screams American, you know.
Sale : Down the row of seats at the barber shop, 72 year-old James Daniels is even less happy with his choices in the primary.
Daniels: Presidential race we don’t have much of a choice.
Sale : He says he’s not going to vote for Obama, but he can’t support Hillary either.
Daniels: Well, I like Hillary the best, but I couldn’t vote for her because she’d be usurping the authority over me. And the man’s not supposed to be over…the man’s supposed to be over the woman.” :13
Sale : Down the street at M&J Jewelers, a popular gatherings spot for locals, William Marich says Hillary Clinton won’t be getting his vote in the primary. He doesn’t trust her, going back to the Whitewater scandal during her husband’s administration.
Marich: I don’t know like a liar. And if you’re going to lie about one thing, you’re to lie about everything.
Sale : He expects to vote for Obama in the primary, but not because he likes him better. It’s for strategic reasons.
Marich: I’m going to be honest with you. I’m going to probably vote for Obama, and I’m going to tell you exactly why. It’s because McCain can beat Obama, but I don’t know if he can beat Hillary in the general.
Sale : Brian Blankenship also stopped into the jewelry store from his barber shop next store. McCain will also be his candidate in the fall, but Hillary Clinton’s getting his vote in the primary.
Blankenship: It was really a toss-up between the two until the preacher started talking, and I don’t see how Obama couldn’t gone to that church for twenty years, and not heard the preacher preached the things he preached. I think he knew.
Sale: so for you, it’s this preacher stuff...
Blankenship: He’s a good speaker. He really makes sense when he talks. But I believe he believes a little bit like the preacher did, or he wouldn’t gotten out of that church before he was in the presidential race and it all come up.
Sale: But neither Democrat will get Blankenship’s vote in November. He’s voting for McCain.
Blankenship: because I think that he’ll keep the war going and that’ll make more coal be produced.
Sale: More coal?
Blankenship: Mmm-hmm.
Sale: So you’re skeptical of the plans to pull out of Iraq. You don’t think that’ll be good for West Virginia?
Blankenship: Well, there weren’t no coal mining jobs until we went into Iraq.
Sale: And Blankenship says he’s only had two customers in his barber shop who say they’ll vote for Obama if he’s the Democratic candidate in the fall. The rest won’t. The reason?
Blankenship: I’d say maybe because he’s black, most of them.” :02
Sale : Nobody else referred to race on tape when talking about what turned them off about Obama, though one man, once the recorder was turned off, said he’s not ready for a black president.
And then there’s Obama’s name.
Mosley: Barack Hussein Obama. They don’t like for us to say his name, but it is his name.
Sale : Peggy Mosley says she doesn’t think Obama has the necessary the experience. She’s a strong supporter of Clinton and is volunteering with the campaign.
Mosley: You know, West Virginia loved Bill Clinton, and to have him back in the White House, you can’t tell me he’s not going to help Hillary. So I’m really looking forward to that.” :10
Sale : That’s where the real split is in Man – not about who you want to win the primary, but who you ultimately want in the White House. And at least for now in this town, McCain can expect to poach more than a few local Democratic votes come November, particularly if Obama is the nominee.
For WV Public Broadcasting, I’m Anna Sale in Man.
I believe you were sayin something about racism being dead PM....could you remind me why you believed that again?
Posted by glassman on :
it's getting really creepy BF.
people denying stuff they know to be true.
i mean the Iraq war was NOT about oil was it? heck no...
except Mccain admitted it was this past week;
"My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East," McCain told a crowd of 300 at a Jewish Community Center in Denver.
"That will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East."
dang, that's some REFRESHING HONESTY
thing is? Jewish people don't really want to hear about US abandoning the middle east oil or not.. WTF was he thinking saying that to THEM? i get really concerned that he'll say alotof stuff like that.... we used to call it "geezing" when i was a kid...
then a day or two later? Hillary said something that would have most people screaming bloody murder if anybody but her said it:
Last Thursday, Senator Clinton – dazed from a brutal setback in last Tuesday’s primaries – went even further. She told USA Today to consult an Associated Press story “that found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me”.
Yes: a candidate was explicitly arguing that she was the candidate of white Americans. No Republican would be so crude, certainly not John McCain. And that became her primary rationale for carrying on. After North Carolina, the short-term electoral costs have evaporated: West Virginia has a black population of just 3.3%, Kentucky has 7.5%, Oregon has 1.9%, Montana and South Dakota both have less than 1%. There are no black superdelegates willing to switch from Obama to Clinton at this point.
alotof pundits were left wondering if non-hard working whites were voting for her or Obama sheesh...
and these states are states that no democrat wins in anyway:
here's a map that's been distorted to show the size of the numbers of voters within the states in t '04 election
the real questions will beVA, NC, GA, IN, MO, NM....
with Obama V Mccain? we could possibly see a huge popular vote win for Obamam and have him lose the Electoral college because of how many southern state he will lose by a very slim margin due to the African American turnout. he may even win them. and that would be a real shocker to Hillary.
VA has already elected a black governor (Wilder) he was only the third black governor... so VA is definitely in play... Edwards won a Senate seat in N Carolina and he didn't get nearly as much of the black vote as Obama did in the primary...
MS and AL? i doubt the political machines there will go Democrat no matter who runs right now...
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:I believe you were sayin something about racism being dead PM....could you remind me why you believed that again?
You don't think there's any chance that lefto public broadcasting station hunted down someone that would say he wouldn't vote for a black man to get headlines - do you? Give me a break. As I've said before, if the standard is that EVERY racist in a country of 350 million people must be gone, racism will never be declared dead.
Here's my question: if 90% of the white voters wouldn't vote for Obama because he's black, would that be racist? If so, then why is it that you lefties aren't screaming that the black community is racist because 90% of blacks are voting for Obama? I'll give you lefties one thing, you can talk (lie) about being for equality, but your party has done more to destroy racial equality in the past few months than anything I've ever seen. At least you're successful at something, even though it is exactly opposite what out society should be about.
Maybe by the turn of the 22nd century, you lefties will be able to move into the 21st century.
Posted by Relentless. on :
PM that is true of both parties. Unfortunately there is no such thing as the two party system anymore.
Posted by glassman on :
You don't think there's any chance that lefto public broadcasting station hunted down someone that would say he wouldn't vote for a black man to get headlines - do you? Give me a break. As I've said before, if the standard is that EVERY racist in a country of 350 million people must be gone, racism will never be declared dead.
PM, is rushie racist?
relentless? i know where you live, you know where i live.
do you believe me when i say i would not feel safe as a white man to put an Obama sticker on my car and drive thru my own neighborhoods?
Posted by Relentless. on :
Glass, I would not hesitate at all. In fact I often talk with all sorts of people and I am never cautious about talking about Obama in glowing terms. You may well be surrounded by a small cloud of morons, but for the most part no one cares anymore. Even there in Mississippi, and here in Alabama.
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote: PM, is rushie racist?
Dunno, ask Snerdly
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:do you believe me when i say i would not feel safe as a white man to put an Obama sticker on my car and drive thru my own neighborhoods?
No, I don't believe that. In fact, I'd say that is RIDICULOUS! C'mon and join the rest of us in the 21st Century! You can put any bumper sticker on your car that you like!!!
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:do you believe me when i say i would not feel safe as a white man to put an Obama sticker on my car and drive thru my own neighborhoods?
No, I don't believe that. In fact, I'd say that is RIDICULOUS! C'mon and join the rest of us in the 21st Century! You can put any bumper sticker on your car that you like!!!
Your living in a fantasy world. Racism and bigotry are still prevalent in today's society. That you and your ilk choose to turn a blind eye to it speaks volumes about you.
Posted by glassman on :
No, I don't believe that. In fact, I'd say that is RIDICULOUS!
really? i'm no wimp. it might very well be ridiculous, but it's not paranoia. The Nationalist Movement is very strong here.
I've lived in 8 different US states for at least two years. This place is like none other in alot of ways. The way they sell real estate here would absolutely astound most people, they list everything in "nice" neighborhoods at ridiculous prices, so they can refuse any offer below the asking. it's perfeclty legal to do that... yet nobody ever sells at asking price...
keeps the segregation all legal-like...
when i lived in SE Virginia? i used to get asked to join the klan all the time.they assumed i would be happy to join, esp since i was a 99 point rifle shooter and raced cars at the dirt track and had a lifted 4x4 F150 with a fuel injected 460 engine in it. that thing could climb a tree. this was only 10 years ago.
i didn't join, but i learned their patches and their signs, (and no, i'm not talking about the rebel flag)... they had a large contingent at every single town council meeting, they aren't hiding, they are just quiet....
this stuff is all around you if you just know what you are looking at. it's been relegated to a sub-culture, but it's not dead and gone, not by a long shot laws no...
here in MS we currently have the Nationalist Movement and the CofCC among others....
if you are even the least bit interested in understanding who they are, or what they are up to you can find out easy enough, but don't try to tell me that i'm lying or paranoid, cuz i'm surrounded by 'em....
[ May 11, 2008, 18:34: Message edited by: glassman ]
Posted by Relentless. on :
It exists in pockets, but not on a large scale. I doubt that will ever change.. could get worse at times as well. Surely it is cyclical. Glass, stop going to redneck bars. There was a dive in O.S. that I used to hustle pool in called Rumors.. man what a nasty place... Bunch of those types in there... but it was only one dive.. one bubble.
Posted by glassman on :
well i live in avery big darn pocket then...
Glass, stop going to redneck bars.
LOL.. we don't have bars here.
this place is REAL and it's famous on the blues circuit. it's called Po-monkeys...
obviously i don't go there... theres's lots of private clubs tho...
anybody gets anything nice going here? they have citizens groups that follow people leaving and report them for DWI, after a couple dozen? they shut 'em down... seriuously..
the $$$ place that's actually making it right now is about 25 miles outside of town in a TIN building (for real) and they have limos for free, just ask... that way the cops can't bust the drunks...
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:that way the cops can't bust the drunks...
Nothing makes me happier than the cops busting drunk drivers. If I had my way they would throw repeat drunk drivers in prison and throw away the key. It is absolutely inexcusable for some drunken loser to be out there risking my family's life on the road just because they are irresponsible. I have no problem with anyone drinking until they pass out every single night if that's what they want to do; provided that they aren't risking the lives of others (driving under the influence) and I don't have to support them with handouts.
Posted by Relentless. on :
The only thing putting your family's lives at risk is your attitudes against normal people. Six billion people on this planet, and you are only one.
Posted by Relentless. on :
The DUI paranoia has been created by the government through the media. I'm not suggesting it's a brilliant idea to get blitzed then go joy riding. We all know it's a rather stupid thing to do. But what I am saying and what I know to be true is, government has created this hatred and yet another "them". In Pennsylvania when I lived there and surely still now, you can't buy booze in normal stores. Not in grocery stores, not in gas stations.. nope. You can buy beer at state run stores, which are few and far between... but you can only buy beer in 24 packs... And their hours of operation are very limited. What you can do and what they seemingly have millions of are bars... But you can only buy booze there if you drink it there. You see the whole system is set up to encourage people to drive after drinking. Add to that the lowering of the legal blood alcohol limit to .10 or even .08 and you can.. or should see it's all a scam. .08??? That's less than one friggen beer. How much money does the government make off of DUI's?
Posted by Relentless. on :
Another thing is how much money does the government make off of speeding tickets? Would anyone be willing to tell me a human being's capabilities are limited to driving a vehicle at a maximum of 70MPH? Ohhh.. unless you have a badge and a three minute training course.. then you can do anything.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:that way the cops can't bust the drunks...
Nothing makes me happier than the cops busting drunk drivers. If I had my way they would throw repeat drunk drivers in prison and throw away the key. It is absolutely inexcusable for some drunken loser to be out there risking my family's life on the road just because they are irresponsible. I have no problem with anyone drinking until they pass out every single night if that's what they want to do; provided that they aren't risking the lives of others (driving under the influence) and I don't have to support them with handouts.
Did I miss sumpin?
Who here is *even* SUGGESTING that folks should get drunk and drive?
I realize you avoid my posts, and I mostly don't care...but I pretty much need an answer here.
Thanks, tex
Posted by glassman on :
when i lived in NE? i played pool in leagues and i played a couple tournaments a week. i saw thousands of people leave bars/taverns there DUI'ed... i don't recall seeing any accidents. i'm sure they happened, but they just weren't that frequent...
in CA? i used to do the same thing and cops would follow me and pull me over.
i don't drink.... they'd be sure anybody leaving a bar at closing time was DUI, boy would they be disappointed. i never gave them a real hard time about pulling me over but only cuz i didn't really want trouble. they had no other reason to pull me over other than they saw me leaving a bar....
if you read the laws carefully? 1 single drink is enough in many places to get you an impaired driving ticket.... just one. anybody under 200 pounds is legally intoxicated after their 4th drink, but the body eliminates about one drink per hour. in other words? once you have had a single drink? it's up to the cop to decide.
Posted by bond006 on :
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that way the cops can't bust the drunks... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing makes me happier than the cops busting drunk drivers. If I had my way they would throw repeat drunk drivers in prison and throw away the key. It is absolutely inexcusable for some drunken loser to be out there risking my family's life on the road just because they are irresponsible. I have no problem with anyone drinking until they pass out every single night if that's what they want to do; provided that they aren't risking the lives of others (driving under the influence) and I don't have to support them with handouts.
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PM one of the few things me and you would agree on.
apprx 120 people die every day on our roads and this is 2003 records. These deaths we preventable deaths.Alcohol being the third cause.
And impaired driving covers much more than alcohal
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:Who here is *even* SUGGESTING that folks should get drunk and drive?
Apparently Relentless and Glass are. Despite the fact that 39% of all fatal accidents involve alcohol, Relentless thinks it's "scam". Once again, Glass seems to be paranoid that the cops are out to get him.
Let me try again: THE COPS WORK FOR US! Their job is to keep us as safe as possible and getting drunks off the highway is one thing they do that works. The only problem we still have is that the judges don't throw enough of these drunk drivers in jail with LONG prison sentences.
Here's a link about some of those drivers that Glass didn't see crash.
quote:once you have had a single drink? it's up to the cop to decide.
It's not up to the cops to decide - there are objective blood alcohol criteria.
Posted by T e x on :
oh, so you're simply misquoting and spinning, again...
'k....carry on
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:oh, so you're simply misquoting and spinning, again...
Tex,
How would you interpret the posts by Relentless and Glass?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:once you have had a single drink? it's up to the cop to decide. It's not up to the cops to decide - there are objective blood alcohol criteria.
objective criteria?
read again: Ohio’s Drunk Driving Laws
Ohio Department of Public Safety figures indicate 1,975 people were killed and 73,536 were injured in 102,271 alcohol-related crashes in Ohio from 1998 to 2002—an average of 395 deaths, 14,707 injuries and 20,454 crashes annually. Nationally, alcohol-related deaths have been increasing each year since 1999. In 2002, 41% of the 42,815 US motor vehicle fatalities were alcohol-related. This translates to 17,419 deaths, or an average of one alcohol-related fatality every 30 minutes in the US.
On January 1, 2004 Ohio adopted a new OVI (Operating a Vehicle under the Influence) violation. It replaces violations for DUI (Driving Under the Influence) and OMVI (Operating a Motor Vehicle under the Influence). http://www.ohioinsurance.org/factbook/2003-04/chapter3/chapter3_a.shtml
National standards
The 2001 US Transportation Appropriations Act mandates that a portion of a state’s highway construction fund be withheld if it didn’t adopt a .08% BAC level by October 2003. Ohio adopted .08% BAC effective July 1, 2003.
it's now OVI instead of DUI or DWI....
one drink and you under the influence try rereading everything as if somebody had one drink and consider how many bars and restaurants there are that serve drinks. it only takes one to be considered Under the Influence legally. the .08 is INTOXICATED... back when i did drink? i could pound a sixpack and then drink one beer an hour all evening and you wouldn't even know i was drunk. but i was legally, and i've never once gotten pulled over for drinking.
then? cosider the stats include anybody with even a .0000001 alcohol level... that's the stats... that's what they are using to make these draconian laws..
and i don't drink... i don't really like the way it makes me feel anymore, i gave it up a long time ago. i like to have a glass of cabernet now and then with a rare prime rib.. but i don't care to get a "buzz"
there are many brand new rules, and they do allow for the cops to make on site decisions that can be challenged and often are (successfully) in court.
as for thinking the cops are after me? you'd be amazed how many times i've been pulled over and sent on my way with a "have a nice day".
you'd also be amazed how many times i didn't caught speeding.
i like making long distance runs, i made it from LA to Omaha once in 27 hours with a four hour nap...
i turned around and went from there to DC in 24 with a four hour nap a few moths later... that doesn't count as a coast-to coast run but.....
so let's just say the cops "know" me, but not as well as they want to Posted by Propertymanager on :
Glass,
You simply don't understand the OVI law. Under the law, you still have to be over .08 (or fail to take the test) to be arrested. If you're stopped and you test below .08, no problem - you're on your way. So, the claim that one drink and you're going to be arrested for OVI is just plain wrong. If you're below .08, no problem no matter what the cop thinks. If you're over .08, you're in trouble and deserve to go to jail.
Posted by glassman on :
yes i do understand OVI law, it's in writing here:
read thru, you'll find there's several levels of acolhol defined
No person shall operate any vehicle, streetcar, or trackless trolley within this state, if, at the time of the operation, any of the following apply: (a) The person is under the influence of alcohol, a drug of abuse, or a combination of them.
(f) The person has a concentration of seventeen-hundredths of one per cent or more by weight per unit volume of alcohol in the person’s whole blood.
under the influence is ONE drink, period, end of story... look it up.
dude, when are you gonna learn that i do my homework BEFORE i engage in debate?
this law was mandated by the Feds and it gives police total discretion on how to deal with anybody they stop that has had a single drink within the last hour.
the passage of the mandates that required the new laws refered to "alcohol related" deaths and incidents.
those statistics refer to the larger majority of people that had one drink or two and got into an accident. whether one drink or two caused the accident is highly debatable, but the stats are included to make the numbers sound much more ominous.
Posted by cottonjim on :
IF the cops want to arrest you even if you only have a .002 they can, it is called driving under the influence, or DUI not to be confused with driving WHILE intoxicated, or DWI wich you have to be legaly drunk (by state standards anyways).
Posted by bond006 on :
The average drunk driver gets away with driving impaired 200 times before he gets caught.
From one that has seen the terror and grief that impaired drivers cause other people I am all for trying different things other than what we do.
But how many drunks do you know that are willing to give up there car keys when they have had to many? Very few is the truthful answer.
Posted by bond006 on :
How about no parking lots for bars every inch of there property is use for building. No parking with in 1000 yards of a bar but a bus stop infront and a passenger loading and unloading curb in front for comercial vehicles only.
The only way you could get there is walk,bus,cab,or limo
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:under the influence is ONE drink, period, end of story... look it up.
Well, I did look it up and I didn't see anywhere that you can be arrested for DUI after drinking only ONE drink. What I did see were very specific standards for alcohol levels.
If you're not just making this up, then I'd like to see a specific reference that allows the police to charge you with DUI for ONE DRINK!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:oh, so you're simply misquoting and spinning, again...
Tex,
How would you interpret the posts by Relentless and Glass?
"Cops throw their weight around."
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:under the influence is ONE drink, period, end of story... look it up.
Well, I did look it up and I didn't see anywhere that you can be arrested for DUI after drinking only ONE drink. What I did see were very specific standards for alcohol levels.
If you're not just making this up, then I'd like to see a specific reference that allows the police to charge you with DUI for ONE DRINK!
We are all quite used to spoon feeding you a nice obvious broth, so I guess it will be no shock to anyone but you that I'm going to offer you this little tid bit. What is your blood alcohol content after one drink? I am sure we will all allow you the time to fuddle around with google searching desperately for the answer.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:under the influence is ONE drink, period, end of story... look it up.
Well, I did look it up and I didn't see anywhere that you can be arrested for DUI after drinking only ONE drink. What I did see were very specific standards for alcohol levels.
If you're not just making this up, then I'd like to see a specific reference that allows the police to charge you with DUI for ONE DRINK!
you did not look it up then. influence is not legal intoxication. influence is an interpretation or judgment made by the police. ask a lawyer if you don't believe me....
i showed you the actual law and the words. influence is the word...
the law then goes on to describe several levels of intoxication, but the very FIRST line of the law uses the term influence. it's the same all over...
how the law is enforced is the real question. at any time? the "system" could suddenly decide that there is zero tolerance for any aclohol in the system and no changes to the law would be required the only change would enforcement POLICY... are beginnin' to understand yet?
even tho laws have become stricter? deaths have not gone down....
Ok.. I can't wait. After two beers or two ounces of grain alcohol your blood alcohol content will be........????? Anyone? .10 That's right kiddo .10 Meaning that reducing the legal limit to .08 is what? The act of a government hell bent on imprisoning people for being what? Normal. Class is over pumkin. Please review all of this as there will be a test for you.
Posted by glassman on :
here's the "funny" part:
PM,you call yourself a "conservative" and i agree that i don't like to have to worry about whether the guy getting on the hiway with me and everybody else is drunk and gonna commit murder and mayhem? you are missing the draconian point of all this.
the Federal Government Wrote this law... they have NO right to write this law and quite a few others, but they do. as a conservative? this SHOULD pss you off, but it doesn't.
they write laws and then tell the states they'll with-hold funding if they don't pass the laws (as in no child left behind?)
the "problem is that they don't even have the money they are "giving" the states to spend anyway... they are borrowing it from our grandchildren. there's nothing conservative at all about this approach.... it violates almost every tenet of conservatism...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Ok.. I can't wait. After two beers or two ounces of grain alcohol your blood alcohol content will be........????? Anyone? .10 That's right kiddo .10 Meaning that reducing the legal limit to .08 is what? The act of a government hell bent on imprisoning people for being what? Normal. Class is over pumkin. Please review all of this as there will be a test for you.
for me it's three ... the last time i had 'em? i didn't even feel three beers...
dang, i need to put new batteries in my keyboard i do not type this bad Posted by The Bigfoot on :
We need a new transport system that takes the driver out of the equation. Then it doesn't matter!
Posted by Relentless. on :
would hardly work, consumer demand just isn't there.
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Ok.. I can't wait. After two beers or two ounces of grain alcohol your blood alcohol content will be........????? Anyone? .10 That's right kiddo .10 Meaning that reducing the legal limit to .08 is what? The act of a government hell bent on imprisoning people for being what? Normal. Class is over pumkin. Please review all of this as there will be a test for you.
for me it's three ... the last time i had 'em? i didn't even feel three beers...
dang, i need to put new batteries in my keyboard i do not type this bad
Not sure, never tested myself.. Leave the batteries alone.. reminds us of Bdgee Posted by glassman on :
one of the easiest ways to pizz off a cop? Know the law better than they do...then tell 'em, "You caint dew THAT!"
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btw, have skimmed the thread...here in Texas DWI and DUI are completely separate. For instance, adults can not receive a DUI, which is reserved for minors & alcohol...
True story, small town in Texas: kid winds up in a cement culvert, slammed against the windshield. Car is totaled, big ol' Caddy; is unclear whether seatbelts failed or were not in use.
Cops arrive, pull kid from car and find two lids of pot, which weigh out full, an ounce each, indicating the kid has not "dipped" into either oz. Cops administer field sobriety test,and the kid fails and goes to jail...Later the kid testifies he "comes to" in jail, while cops are administering breathalyzer, which registers zero.
Cop swears...says, sumpin's not right. Gets another tester. Same thing: zero.
Apparently, the kid has a concussion, from impact with windshield. Medical treatment? None.
Booked on pot charge, misdemeanor possession...arraigned next day on pot charge. Still no medical care... Kid bonds out on pot charge. No mention in paperwork of alcohol, field tests, nada...
Weeks later? Kid gets a notice of warrant re Failure to Appear on DUI charge... Automatic suspension of license, 60 days, state level, Texas DPS.
Meanwhile...kid gets an attorney who works a plea on the pot charge, if he does community service and clean UAs--which the kid does: adjudication.
Double meanwhile: new attorney figures out that DA refused a DWI case so the cops filed a DUI--which is for ONLY alcohol. New attorney gets case dismissed...there's no evidence of alcohol.
BUT...the state suspension remains on record. Why?
Under Texas state law, the only way to remove the suspension is if the case is tried and the result is an acquittal or a not guilty verdict.
Can *not* be dismissed...
Can you say Byzantine?
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: here's the "funny" part:
PM,you call yourself a "conservative" and i agree that i don't like to have to worry about whether the guy getting on the hiway with me and everybody else is drunk and gonna commit murder and mayhem? you are missing the draconian point of all this.
the Federal Government Wrote this law... they have NO right to write this law and quite a few others, but they do. as a conservative? this SHOULD pss you off, but it doesn't.
they write laws and then tell the states they'll with-hold funding if they don't pass the laws (as in no child left behind?)
the "problem is that they don't even have the money they are "giving" the states to spend anyway... they are borrowing it from our grandchildren. there's nothing conservative at all about this approach.... it violates almost every tenet of conservatism...
This deserves to be reposted as it is right on point. No one is suggesting that downing ten bottles of mad dog 20/20 and zooming through a pack of trick or treaters is a good thing... It's the government's domineering control and its insistence on defying it's original purpose that is the issue. They get away with it by creating "thems". Ever hear the divide and conquer line? They are putting it to task.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: rotf...
one of the easiest ways to pizz off a cop? Know the law better than they do...then tell 'em, "You caint dew THAT!"
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btw, have skimmed the thread...here in Texas DWI and DUI are completely separate. For instance, adults can not receive a DUI, which is reserved for minors & alcohol...
True story, small town in Texas: kid winds up in a cement culvert, slammed against the windshield. Car is totaled, big ol' Caddy; is unclear whether seatbelts failed or were not in use.
Cops arrive, pull kid from car and find two lids of pot, which weigh out full, an ounce each, indicating the kid has not "dipped" into either oz. Cops administer field sobriety test,and the kid fails and goes to jail...Later the kid testifies he "comes to" in jail, while cops are administering breathalyzer, which registers zero.
Cop swears...says, sumpin's not right. Gets another tester. Same thing: zero.
Apparently, the kid has a concussion, from impact with windshield. Medical treatment? None.
Booked on pot charge, misdemeanor possession...arraigned next day on pot charge. Still no medical care... Kid bonds out on pot charge. No mention in paperwork of alcohol, field tests, nada...
Weeks later? Kid gets a notice of warrant re Failure to Appear on DUI charge... Automatic suspension of license, 60 days, state level, Texas DPS.
Meanwhile...kid gets an attorney who works a plea on the pot charge, if he does community service and clean UAs--which the kid does: adjudication.
Double meanwhile: new attorney figures out that DA refused a DWI case so the cops filed a DUI--which is for ONLY alcohol. New attorney gets case dismissed...there's no evidence of alcohol.
BUT...the state suspension remains on record. Why?
Under Texas state law, the only way to remove the suspension is if the case is tried and the result is an acquittal or a not guilty verdict.
Can *not* be dismissed...
Can you say Byzantine?
bump...I never know when these eop posts get lost...
Posted by T e x on :
What were we talking about?
quote:FBI rescinds secret order for Internet Archive records Posted by Anne Broache 7 comments
The FBI has backed down on a secret request for information about a user of the Internet Archive digital library, thanks to a legal challenge from two prominent advocacy groups.
The case, which was brought by the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of the archive, dates to last year but only became public on Wednesday. That's because the type of request involved, known as a national security letter (NSL), is accompanied by a gag order that forbids the recipient from disclosing its existence or discussing it with anyone except his attorneys, who are also gagged. As a result of a settlement, the FBI agreed to withdraw the national security letter and to lift the gag order.
quote:under the influence is ONE drink, period, end of story... look it up.
That is absolutely wrong. As I said before, you can not be charged with DUI in Ohio unless your BAC is .08. There is no DUI with one drink unless you weigh so little that one drink will raise your BAC to .08. There is a different law for young drivers, but that has nothing to do with adults. You guys are just making that up, as evidenced by your failing to provide a specific reference.
You can not be charged with DUI for alcohol in Ohio at the discretion of the cop - you can only be charged if you fail the BAC test.
quote:What is your blood alcohol content after one drink?
For the average male, it would be about .025, which is not even close to .08. To get to .08, it would take the average male about 3 drinks over a very short period of time. Since the alcohol is constantly being processed, Three drinks in an hour would only give the average male a BAC of about .05!
So, your implication that one drink will raise your BAC to .08 is totally baseless and false.
Posted by glassman on :
PM you are just wrong, and you don't know what you are talking about: After you blow into the breathilizer and get your results, you will more than likely officially be charged with a DUI. Something you need to know though, is even though the legal limit of BAC in Ohio is .08, you can be arrested for a DUI even if you blow less than a .08. If the arresting officer believes, regardless of your BAC limit, that you were in fact driving impaired, than you will be charged with a DUI. Of course, if you are under the age of 21, ANY amount of BAC will land you a DUI and under-age consumption.
the lawyers make alotof money on this.
Posted by glassman on :
and again here:
What is an OVI/DUI? (back to top)
The Ohio Revised Code Section 4511.19 states that you may be arrested for operating or driving the vehicle while driving under the influence of alcohol (DUI), operating a vehicle while intoxicated (OVI), or operating a vehicle while under the influence, impaired, or intoxicated (OMVI). If you submit to an alcohol test, and you are over .08, then you may be arrested for a per se violation. Surprisingly, if you are under .08, you may still be arrested if you exhibited signs of being intoxicated.
http://www.novosadlaw.com/ovi.html#whatis
Posted by glassman on :
the officers can decide that you are intoxicated simply because they don't like you. it becomes your word against theirs. and then it goes to court, which in MY world is already more trouble than i want,
and in YOUR world you've already made it fairly clear that the cops are honest and never lie so i'm convicted no matter what happened (in your world)
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i get really concerned that he'll say alotof stuff like that.... we used to call it "geezing" when i was a kid...
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