Uh-oh, the wacko left is about to flip-flop again! Now we're heading for global cooling!!! I wonder if it's too late to take back Al Gore's Nobel Prize?
Posted by glassman on :
what a funny article; i like this part:
Revolution—the phenomenal global increase in farm yields in the mid-20th century. Numerous experiments also prove a direct proportion between harvest and carbon dioxide concentration in the air.
they forgot to mention there's these things called nitrogen based ferilisers.
if you read SEC filings? you'll find billions of profits have been made off 'em...
BTW? they are a spinoff of the munitions factories we built to win WW2.... this is prolly a state sponsored paper...
did yo know that their economy is totally dependent on hydrocarbon energy?
yeah, they are getting rich cuz we consume too much foreign energy.. they don't sell direct to US, but they do sell into the world market in a big way...
they LOVE 100$ US per barrel.. Moscow is now the most affluent city in the world... heck they might do antyhing to keep OIL PPS high... ANYTHING
Russia holds the world's largest natural gas reserves, the second largest coal reserves, and the eighth largest oil reserves. Russia is also the world's largest exporter of natural gas, the second largest oil exporter and the third largest energy consumer.
Posted by bdgee on :
In a similar manner, one might sight Mad Magazine as an example of a serious and responsible commentary on the social makeup of North American society, then question the efficacy of the general news media (that had nothing to do with Mad magazine), referring to them as the wacko news service, accusing them of flip-flopping, and suggesting that some one of them that won a Pulitzer prize didn't deserve it.
Are you were really stupid enough to buy into that sort of BS?
Talk about being irresponsible and off base..........
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
There sure are a lot of articles and media coverage countering global warming. There is also a lot of money being spent countering most of the alternative fuel ideas. Someone is trying (and doing a good job) to confuse a lot of people while they get richer.
I think the first thing we should do is stop the war, the second thing would be to slap an import tax on those foreign goods. Imagine how we could help slow down global warming and boost our own economy at the same time.
How much would oil prices drop and how much less pollution would there be if China and other developing nations were not able to export in such mass quanties into the US?
I really think some big companies are spending large amounts of money to make sure we do not move along very quickly to alternative fuels.
The more confusion the better for them.
It reminds me of that movie about the cigarette salesman.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
the second thing would be to slap an import tax on those foreign goods. Imagine how we could help slow down global warming and boost our own economy at the same time.
Yeah, slapping a big tax on foreign goods would really help. As the economy drops into a depression and unemployment skyrockets, the PEOPLE in the United States would be much better off. UGH!
I really think some big companies are spending large amounts of money to make sure we do not move along very quickly to alternative fuels.
Another worldwide conspiracy? Ridiculous. The problem is that there is NO EASY ANSWER to the energy problem. The wacko left doesn't like nuclear power. The wacko left won't allow wind turbines to be placed anywhere near Cape Cod (even beyond the horizon); the wacko elites (like Al Gore) fly around on their private jets but want the rest of us peasants to ride bicycles.
The one thing you can count on is that there is no PERFECT solution to the energy problem. Every solution that is found will be criticized by the wacko left, because this entire issue has been manufactured by the left in an effort to promote their socialist ideas.
Mike
Posted by bdgee on :
Of course, the mass of republicans during the Watergate Hearings steadfastly insisteed that it was all too confusing and complicated to be true, that it was just conspiracy theory and Tricky Dick was innocent.
However, it is true that "there is NO EASY ANSWER to the energy problem" and that "The one thing you can count on is that there is no PERFECT solution", so these incessant claims we see here, that any and every consideration toward any solution to the energy problems or global warming are wrong, since the free market is the perfect solution to everything, is childish and backward.
Doesn't look here like every solution that might be found to energy problems is "criticized by the wacko left" because the absolutely wise and all knowing propertymanager has filled that need brilliantly by criticizing them all in his wacko efforts, useing those issues to manufacture a spurious position from which to hurl smears and insults at any and everyone not simple mindedly preaching free market as perfection.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
Solar energy is the easy perfect solutuon - nothing less- in interim other aalternate sources can be used - ut ulimately the solar will transform our societies - we will have a solar revolution -hopefully in my lifetime -
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Putting import taxes on foreign goods would sure start a drop in the economy. We don't have any problem right now in our economy related to imports, Propertymanager?
Since you like to deal in real estate and rentals. How about we put a 100% special tax on every piece of real estate purchased by an American and another 100% on services used in repairs and upgrades plus pay another 100% higher in property taxes. These higher percentages will only be paid by Americans. Then you can see how you can compete in your rentals. I am assuming you are an American of course.
That is the jist of what many companies are having to do to compete against these foreign companies that have no pollution or labor laws.
As far as energy solutions go, there is no perfect solution yet. But we need to start somewhere and work from there. Like i mentioned in my other post the more confussion the better, for a few making the big bucks. Worldwide conspiracy? I would call it a worldwide monopoly which very few are invited in. Cartel!
It appears they have you and many others confused about a pretty simple subject, at least the basics are. Just look at the gas pump every day, or live in Ca. in the 50's,60's, and 70's and imagine what it would have been like if pollution controls had not been put into effect, just to mention a few.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
As far as energy solutions go, there is no perfect solution yet. But we need to start somewhere and work from there.
I agree. I suggest we start with wind farms off the coast of the east coast. Do you think Ted Kennedy and the other east coast elitists will go for that? Oh, too late, they already said no.
You see, this energy situation is only important if the middle class are paying for it and have it in their back yard. The lefto elitists aren't serious about it if it spoils the view from their yacht!!!
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
We do have a few wind farms down here in CA. There is definately a problem with many politicians because many big companies( especially oil) have their hands in the pockets of these politicians.
Some how we need to push enough to get past these people or push them out of office. I hope the next election will prove to be better in getting officials who will help solve the growing problems in our economy, many which are related one way or the other to oil.
We need more elected officials that can kind of stick to their promises prior to getting elected. I might be asking way to much.
Posted by bdgee on :
"I suggest we start with wind farms off the coast of the east coast. Do you think Ted Kennedy and the other east coast elitists will go for that? Oh, too late, they already said no."
That is, of course, a lie.
Kennedy never said no to the idea of wind farms along the east coast.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
As usual, you don't know what you're taking about. Here is an article in the Wacko Left New York Times, written by Kennedy himself!
Some how we need to push enough to get past these people or push them out of office. I hope the next election will prove to be better in getting officials who will help solve the growing problems in our economy, many which are related one way or the other to oil.
We need more elected officials that can kind of stick to their promises prior to getting elected. I might be asking way to much.
Term limits, Term limits!!!!!
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: As usual, you don't know what you're taking about. Here is an article in the Wacko Left New York Times, written by Kennedy himself!
BDGEE- Looks like he got ya on this one. haha
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: As usual, you don't know what you're taking about. Here is an article in the Wacko Left New York Times, written by Kennedy himself!
First, that article is not by any Kennedy that is alive.
Second, that article is by Robert Kennedy Jr. not Ted Kennedy, whom you specifically accused of saying there are to be no wind farms on the east coast.
Third, you said Ted Kennedy said no to any wind farm on the east coast.
Forth, he did not. Neither did Robert Kennedy Jr.
Fifth, either you lied or you are passing out false information without knowing it. (Or are you really too dumb or ignorant to understand that Robert Kennedy Jr. is dead and is not his uncle Ted Kennedy, who is alive and a Senator, or that even Robert Kennedy Jr. never, including in that article, said there should be no wind farms off the east coast.)
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: As usual, you don't know what you're taking about. Here is an article in the Wacko Left New York Times, written by Kennedy himself!
This an article in the Boston Globe. Looks like Teddy doesn't want wind farms in his neck of the woods.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
I've been to Nantucket. I wouldn't want wind turbines on the coastline either. That's prime tourism country up on the sound.
Bird kill is also a worthwhile consideration when talking wind turbines but as long as you don't put the windmills directly on migration paths it's usually a fairly minimal issue.
Gee, PM. Seems to me you take umbrage anytime people who want our next generation of technology to be implemented with a little planning and forethought speak out? Where's all this frustration come from?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: the second thing would be to slap an import tax on those foreign goods. Imagine how we could help slow down global warming and boost our own economy at the same time.
Yeah, slapping a big tax on foreign goods would really help. As the economy drops into a depression and unemployment skyrockets, the PEOPLE in the United States would be much better off. UGH!
I really think some big companies are spending large amounts of money to make sure we do not move along very quickly to alternative fuels.
Another worldwide conspiracy? Ridiculous. The problem is that there is NO EASY ANSWER to the energy problem. The wacko left doesn't like nuclear power. The wacko left won't allow wind turbines to be placed anywhere near Cape Cod (even beyond the horizon); the wacko elites (like Al Gore) fly around on their private jets but want the rest of us peasants to ride bicycles.
The one thing you can count on is that there is no PERFECT solution to the energy problem. Every solution that is found will be criticized by the wacko left, because this entire issue has been manufactured by the left in an effort to promote their socialist ideas.
Mike
actually? really good, really pragmatic ideas and solutions are posted here:
This an article in the Boston Globe. Looks like Teddy doesn't want wind farms in his neck of the woods.
Maybe you need to learn to pay attention and learn that not wanting a wind farm in Nantucket Sound is quite different from saying there should not be any on the east coast, which is the absurd claim property manager made. (His objective clearly was to demean and degrade rather than inform, though the target of his intent is in question.)
I object strongly to the idea of putting a tattooed picture of Britney Spears on my butt, but that is a long way from saying "no" to you having one on yours and certainly isn't saying no one should have a tattoo on their heinie, be it of Britney or not. (For the life of me, though, I cannot understand wanting to mark up your body permanantly. None of my business, really.)
I don't know why, but this won't post what i typed. I have edited it three times and it still won't. I'll try posting it again below:
Maybe you need to learn to pay attention and learn that not wanting a wind farm in Nantucket Sound is quite different from saying there should not be any on the east coast, which is the absurd claim property manager made. (His objective clearly was to demean and degrade rather than inform, though the target of his intent is in question.)
I object strongly to the idea of putting a tattooed picture of Britney Spears on my butt, but that is a long way from saying "no" to you having one on yours and certainly isn't saying no one should have a tattoo on their heinie, be it of Britney or not. (Though, for the life of me, I cannot understand wanting to mark up your body permanantly. None of my business, really.)
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Wait a sec now.
The wind farm I read about in Lockman's article sounds very different from the wind farm in PM's article.
Which way is it?
If it is like the second article stated then I think it sounds like a very good idea. If it is like the first article it sounds like it is too close to human activity and settlement for such a big operation. Sometimes I really hate trying to make a judgment based on what I see in positional papers without getting a look at the area itself.
P.S. The argument about fishing around the shoals and the nets getting caught in the equipment is bogus. By creating some areas in the shallows that are unaccessible to fishermen they will in time make the cape just that much more productive.
P.P.S. The argument that 2,550 job would be lost is bogus as well. It could just as easily be said that tours of the state of the art electric plant will add 300 jobs to the local economy along with the jobs added at the plant itself.
Posted by bdgee on :
Maybe you need to learn to pay attention and learn that not wanting a wind farm in Nantucket Sound is quite different from saying there should not be any on the east coast, which is the absurd claim property manager made. (His objective clearly was to demean and degrade rather than inform, though the target of his intent is in question.)
I object strongly to the idea of putting a tattooed picture of Britney Spears on my butt, but that is a long way from saying "no" to you having one on yours and certainly isn't saying no one should have a tattoo on their heinie, be it of Britney or not. (Though, for the life of me, I cannot understand wanting to mark up your body permanantly. None of my business, really.)
Posted by glassman on :
please don't put a tattoo of Britney on your butt, the whole idea is making me sick to my stomach...
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: please don't put a tattoo of Britney on your butt, the whole idea is making me sick to my stomach...
Makes me sick too, but that post is not what I typed. I tried to correct it and it keeps coming out wrong.
Weird!
Posted by glassman on :
i hear Britney has had a nervous breakdown...
it's sad what fame can do to a person Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Those wind farms look awesome.(although my view might be different than others) When i first saw the ones in CA. it reminded me of one of those scientific movies. I can see how many people might not want a lot of the turbines in prime property areas.
Here is a brief article on CA. wind farms, many were set up years ago. Not sure they have expanded that much in recent years, although it sounds like they have updated some of the equiptment to make it more efficient.
"In the year 2004, wind energy in California produced 4,258 million kilowatt-hours of electricity, about 1.5 percent of the state's total electricity. That's more than enough to light a city the size of San Francisco. More than 13,000 of California's wind turbines, or 95 percent of all of California's wind generating capacity and output, are located in three primary regions: Altamont Pass (east of San Francisco - a portion of which is shown on the right in this photo from NREL), Tehachapi (south east of Bakersfield) and San Gorgonio (near Palm Springs, east of Los Angeles). In 1995, these areas produced 30 percent of the entire world's wind-generated electricity."
Posted by Propertymanager on :
bdgee,
My point was (and is) that the wacko left wants to cry about energy problems but is unwilling to accept the sacrifices they want ordinary Americans to accept! And again I say that the wacko left is not serious about this issue. If they were really serious, they would EMBRACE these wind turbines in their back yard. If you read that article that Lockman cited, you would see that all the environmental groups were in favor of the wind farm and it had passed all the wacko left environmental hurdles. KENNEDY killed it because he doesn't want a wind farm to spoil the ocean area where he sails his yacht.
Just as I said. All this environmental wacko stuff is just a BIG SCAM!
Mike
Posted by Oddmanout on :
hmm.
Posted by glassman on :
propman, you could become part of the solution to problems by losing the perjorative "whacko" every time you mention left.
liberals call me a redneck and right wingers call me socialist. they're both correct and they're both wrong at the same time.
you can lead or you can follow, but progress is not in the agenda if all you wanna do is insult people.
having spent most of my life around major Universities i can assure you that the leftists you call whacko can run circles around you without breaking a sweat. they've got an easy life, they only work 70 hours a week for 7 years at a time then they take 6 months or maybe a year off...
people often resort to rhetorical criticism when they become confused. argumentum ad hominem is the last refuge of the closed mind
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: bdgee,
My point was (and is) that the wacko left wants to cry about energy problems but is unwilling to accept the sacrifices they want ordinary Americans to accept! And again I say that the wacko left is not serious about this issue. If they were really serious, they would EMBRACE these wind turbines in their back yard. If you read that article that Lockman cited, you would see that all the environmental groups were in favor of the wind farm and it had passed all the wacko left environmental hurdles. KENNEDY killed it because he doesn't want a wind farm to spoil the ocean area where he sails his yacht.
Just as I said. All this environmental wacko stuff is just a BIG SCAM!
Mike
First of all, the description of anyone as "wacko left" is a crude insult, not just to them but to the society as a whole. It isn't much different than referring to people of African decent with the "N" word. Just having to hear such intentional demeaning speech is insulting. Enduring the insulting of a class of people without decent is capitulating to bigotry, even participating in it.
We are a better people that that, excepting those that would use the "N" word as a description of people and those like you that insist on treating other people similarly.
Second, your characterization of people that like or support energy production other than via fossil fuels as political of any sort is offensive. Many many long time solidly conservative republicans as well as non-republicans strongly support the cessation of energy production with fossil fuels and for many many reasons, only a few having to do with pollution or global warming.
My own principle reason for advocating non-fossil fuel energy production is based largely on understanding that without oil and coal, MOST of the technology that enables us to live in a "modern" society requires plastics or plastic like substances made from coal and petroleum. We need to save fossil fuels for that use and to not make those plastics so expensive we end up a third world nation.
You claim that people that advocate non-fossil fuel energy are not serious is, to put it bluntly and honestly, simple minded and dishonest. You have no idea whether or not they are serious since you spend so much effort insulting them you never actually consider their proposals or their reasoning.
No one is going to "EMBRACE these wind turbines in their back yard" any more than they wish to have an oil rig working 24 hours a day right beside their child's sand box. Get serious yourself! It isn't necessary to place them in the back yard of any city (though, sometimes, in order to drill for oil or gas, it is....people object then too) and it isn't honest to claim that not wanting them in ones back yard prevents them from being serious or makes them liberal. (Have you ever had a drilling rig or clean out rig working nearby? I have and I'd choose a wind turbine any day.)
I did read the link Lochman provided and the one you provided and can HONESTLY report that you were dishonest when you claimed that Ted Kennedy said no to wind farms anywhere on the east coast.
Right this very minute, many of my neighbors are organized into political groups fighting putting gas drilling sites in the back yards of this neighborhood. They are certainly not un-serious, as you insist, about taking the royalties that will ensue from the gas production and they are certainly not all backward "wacko left", because they do not want gas wells drilled in their back yard or in the city's or county's parks or golf courses or the medians of it's boulevards. They are concerned and serious citizens of various political persuasions (many are far right-wing extremist, like you) and do not deserve the slanders such as you host for such actions.
Ted Kennedy, like my neighbors objects to turning what is effectively "his back yard" into an industrial site and you mis-characterize that concern as his overall political position. You are out of line and dishonest.
I think you have never seen and heard an oil well being drilled and probably never seen a wind turbine at all, much less suffered through one's construction nearby???? It isn't conducive to sleep or sitting around in the back yard sipping cold beer with the neighbors and watching the steaks sizzle over charcoal.
Posted by Oddmanout on :
I'll have another please...hiccup.....Miller lite please.
Posted by bdgee on :
Sorry, Oddmanout, I can see your lips moving, but you can't yell loud enoug to be heard over that damned diesel motor they are running on that rig.
Here, take this stick and write it out for me in little Janie's sand box.
Posted by jordanreed on :
mornin all...
britney on my butt?...early brit..ok...not so much anymoe,tho
Posted by bdgee on :
Just so long as you keep that thar thang ayorn outta sight.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
bdgee,
As is typical among the wacko left, when you are clearly wrong (as in this case), instead of admitting it, you simply attempt to cloud the issue.
My point was and is that Kennedy (and many of the other elitist left) is a hypocrit. If you read those articles, you would have seen that even the wacko left environments felt betrayed by Kennedy. He's all for wind power if it doesn't affect him. Al Gore is all for whatever "climate change" pain is caused as long as it doesn't affect him while he's flying around in his corporate jet.
I say, if you're serious about this stuff, then lead by example.
BTW, I am 100% in favor of alternative fuels provided they are economically feasable. I would be happy to have a wind farm in my back yard. I would be happy to have a nuclear power plant in my back yard. I actually worked at the only plant in the US to produce weapons grade uranium when I was in college. I would be happy to have a big solar array in my back yard.
My point is the wacko leftist leadership is big on talk and small on action. Let's have a wind farm off the coast of Cape Cod! Let Ted Kennedy lead instead of being the country's biggest hypocrit!
Posted by glassman on :
Al Gore is all for whatever "climate change" pain is caused as long as it doesn't affect him while he's flying around in his corporate jet.
hmmmm.... i seem to recall one o' your early posts that applies here:
yes, here it is: Billionaires Up, America Down posted November 27, 2007 09:10
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: There is a lot of class-envy in that article. America truly is the land of opportunity and I applaud those that have become successful! Most of these people are hugely successful because they are smart and work hard. Moreover, we have the same opportunity to become successful - all it takes is a little hard work.
The rich are contributing to society. The lazy are sucking the life out of our society.
Mike
Posted by Propertymanager on :
I don't see how that applies. I'm all for success. Al Gore is clearly successful and I applaud that. On the other hand, Al Gore wants US (the average citizens) to sacrifice and ride our bikes to save the planet from "climate change", while he's jetting around pumping pollution out of his corporate jet at a faster pace than 1,000 ordinary Americans. That's hypocritical. Maybe he should sacrifice and fly first class on an airliner.
Just like Teddy Kennedy. He's 100% behind wind power provided it can't be seen while he's sailing his yacht!!! Hypocrit!
Mike
Posted by glassman on :
Al Gore wants US (the average citizens) to sacrifice and ride our bikes to save the planet from "climate change"
that's a distortion and you know it.
i don't like al gore at all, and i voted for dubya in 00..
but you are vilifying him instead of looking at the problems as a set of possible solutions...
if Dubya said we need to cut emissions would yo believe him?
(hint? he finally did, about six months after gore released the movie)...
i don't see gore demanding any sacrifices, what i see is big oil trying to slow down progress cuz they are in the drivers seat and are afraid they'll lose control...
Posted by bdgee on :
Property manager,
Get serious and try making sense for a change.
You are slamming Gore because he isn't a far right-wing fanatic republican and no other reason. Claiming you are doing so for any other reason, as you are is just lying.
Al Gore has never suggested that the rest of us ride a bike to travel on long business trips and you acting like he has is worse than honest. It is another lie. He accomplishes more than several thousand ordinary people and he isn't simply "jetting around". Moreover, I dare say he and his jet generate far less pollution in a year than a single trip to Crawford by you hero dubya. I don't see you complaining about that or the equally frequent "jetting around" by Rush Limbaugh in his corporate jets. (As I recall, Gore does fly commercially when the connections are available, but I have never heard of any of your heros of the right-wing extreme doing so.)
As for your comment in that last post on Kennedy, I pointed out that you were lying about that already.
I hope for the sake of those that have to work with you that you are not really so dumb that you don't know you are a lying crud.
It isn't me that is clearly wrong, it is you and it is you that is clearly lying and won't admit you are or that you are wrong.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
In addition to continually acting like a 3rd grade bully, I see you're also in denial.
Posted by bdgee on :
It isn't me that can't speak of anyone without calling them degrading names and daring anyone to try and do anything about it, it is none other than propertyboss.
Denial? You want me to deny that I proved you were lying about Kennedy? Why, you were lying, even though you deny it in order to try and maintain the chip on your shoulder.
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