i've posted previously about terrorists crossing the border, but it seems to be more frequent. like this story about a foiled plot to attack a military base in arizona.
remember when bush said your either with us or against us? also saying that they will go after folks HARBORING terrorists? well where is the outrage to the mexican government for not stopping the cartels from harboring and aiding terrorists into america. what do they think people from the middle east smuggling SAM's into america are up to? picking fruit? if a terrorist attack happens where the terrorists come through the mexican border i will lay the blame directly on the Bush administration for failing (or refusing) to secure the border. i cant have shampoo on a plane but 2000 miles of my country's border is wide open. what a joke.
also, check out this video. Air marshals saying that they are being instructed not to persue illegal aliens on inbound flights to america. to say im furious is an understatement
Iran has also been "suggesting" that they have cells in place here already and at other places around the world...
Posted by Persia on :
LOL
Posted by glassman on :
i'm curious, what's so funny?
the idea that our borders are sieves?
or that Iran has terror cells in place around the world already?
Posted by Persia on :
You really think terrorists are crossing your borders every day huh? I didn't know illegal hispanics were also terrorists...
Iran has terror cells all around the world huh? Where? Why are't they doing something?
Come on Glassman, don't beleive what you are feed to by your media about terrorists being everywhere...that's bull****...
How many people get killed by guns every year, how many get raped, sick child****ers everywhere, corrupt politicians, rich getting richer and poor getting poorer...and you are worried about TERRORISTS?
Now that's LOL.
Posted by glassman on :
who said i'm worried?
i merely reported what Ahmadinejad intimated.
shall i find you the quote?
of course it was simply a veiled threat...
if you read a few other posts around here? you'll find that i am highly critical of the fear-mongers...
Posted by bdgee on :
"what do they think people from the middle east smuggling SAM's into america are up to? picking fruit? "
Gosh, thanks! I looked everywhere and couldn't find anywhere anyone would admit that the terrorist were sneaking huge military weaponry right across our borders without anyone seeing them. I needed that confirmation to bolster the argument that our president is right and we must invade Iran now before those evil she-ytes disguised as mesgin stoop laborers sneak a hydrogen mushroom maker into Indiana and launch it toward Iowa before the caucuses.
But what I can't imagine is, what are they doing wasting their time dragging in surface to air missiles when that amount of effort could get some more hydrogen mushroomers into the Country?
Posted by glassman on :
so we can all relax and forget about terrorists cuz bdge and Persai say so..
whew, i'll sleep better tonight thanx guys..
Posted by bdgee on :
Dang right!
Now how about lets stop the Party line talking points regurgitation and get over the idea that a wetback can carry an atom bomb in his hip pocket while he's wading across the Big River of the North.
Posted by glassman on :
actually if you read the report?
you'll see the FBI says the rumors of SAMS are probably just RPG's..
which any fool can operate...
if we are going to fix the terror problem? we need to be realistic about it.
anybody catch the news from Paris this morning?
77 Police Officers Hurt in Paris Riots
By ANGELA CHARLTON – 1 hour ago
VILLIERS-LE-BEL, France (AP) — Rampaging youths rioted for a second night in Paris' suburbs, firing at officers and ramming burning cars into buildings. At least 77 officers were injured, a senior police union official said Tuesday.
The overnight violence was more intense than during three weeks of rioting in 2005, said the official, Patrice Ribeiro. He said that "genuine urban guerillas with conventional weapons and hunting weapons" were among the rioters.
The riots were triggered by the deaths of two teens killed in a crash with a police patrol car on Sunday in Villiers-le-Bel, a blue-collar town in Paris' northern suburbs.
Residents claimed that officers left the crash scene without helping the teens, whose motorbike collided with the car. Officials cast doubt on the claim, but the internal police oversight agency was investigating.
The Russians are coming and the sky is falling!
Posted by BooDog on :
Thats some crazy chit Glass. --------- Why do they even need to cross the boarders? Maybe enough already have. Or maybe there are more becoming home grown through the internet because of lack of parental guidance or just some wackos allowing themselves to be led into these crazies ways of thinking. Not only boarder crossings but what about malicious attacks through our own networks?
SPYWARE, SPAM & PHISHING --Targeted Attacks Spoof Dept. of Justice & Better Business Bureau (November 19 & 21, 2007) There are reports that targeted email messages with malicious attachments are spreading; these messages appear to come from the US Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Better Business Bureau (BBB) and address the recipients by name. The bodies of the messages refer to complaints made against the recipients and/or their companies. The attachments accompanying the messages contain malware hidden in screensaver files. [URL=http://bl og.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/11/a_fresh_round_of_targeted_emai.html?na v=rss_bl og][/URL] http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/security/printfriendly.htm?AT=62034626-39000005c http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2203920/companies-warned-doj-virus Posted by Persia on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: so we can all relax and forget about terrorists cuz bdge and Persai say so..
whew, i'll sleep better tonight thanx guys..
Actually, that's why people here in Europe are so relaxed about the issue. They don't give a s.h.i.t about terrorism. They're more worried about their jobs, beer, health or their kids...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Yeah, come on, now.
Promote fear.
It's the republican way.
Be enthusiastic.
The Russians are coming and the sky is falling!
Hillary's way too budge
Posted by bdgee on :
Yep, way too often, Hillary does that.
You and her need to stop passing around the republican talking points day after day and carrying on as if were true and they made sense.
Posted by T e x on :
"They're more worried about their jobs, beer, health or their kids... "
finally, sense...
Posted by BooDog on :
I miss sittin with a pint of heavy at the pub. Gots to protect the beer no doubt!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Yeah, come on, now.
Promote fear.
It's the republican way.
Be enthusiastic.
The Russians are coming and the sky is falling!
hey, budge, here's some good pre-bed-time reading for you...
i read this in it's first edition; early spring of 2000...
Biohazard by Kenneth Alibek
Posted by bdgee on :
Yeah, I know you read a lot. I do too, as you know. But we get our reading list from different sources with differing propaganda intent. I have a hard time accepting the themes of conspiracy that capture your interest so often.
I seldom get my notions of or about conspiracy from some book or article.....I create my own weaves and cloth from facts and data I trust.
Posted by Persia on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I create my own weaves and cloth from facts and data I trust.
FOX? lol
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Yeah, I know you read a lot. I do too, as you know. But we get our reading list from different sources with differing propaganda intent. I have a hard time accepting the themes of conspiracy that capture your interest so often.
I seldom get my notions of or about conspiracy from some book or article.....I create my own weaves and cloth from facts and data I trust.
the sad part for you budgee is that whenever two or more people decide to participate in a project? it's a conspiracy.....
Posted by glassman on :
BTW? biohazard isn't a conspiracy theory book...
i also suppose you believe Plum Island is where Peter Pan takes Wendy to roll in the hay...
Posted by bdgee on :
Persia, I thought you were one that liked quoting and praising the crap Fox puts out. At least you seem to like their brand of lies over other lies. I personally find everything about Fox to range from childish to stomach turning. And believe me, it isn't easy to laugh that hard while you are tossing supper.
No, glass, it isn't me that is conjuring up big old mean Iran playing the school yard bully and terrorizing the world with nuclear bombs they ain't got and then, when it is pointed out they ain't got 'em, going on and on about your "beliefs" that let you magically know they are conspiring to blow up the christian world.
Hell, everyone with a lick of sense knows there are kooks in that country that would think nothing of starting a war, just for the devil of it and to show off their mighty muscles they believe Alla will supply them with. And yes I think they have elected one to be their president, one very much like the one we patted on the head and said good boy, go fetch us those WMDs in Iraq that he and all his republican Party first stooges knew didn't exist. But that doesn't mean that Iran will let their war monger do it, like we let our war mongers do it, particularly if we had the good sense to deal with them and stop yelling they are evil personified and a a mortal threat to the world and threatening them ten times a day so their Nut-in-Chief has those constant insults and threats to urge the people into letting him act the ass he is.
Posted by glassman on :
go fetch us those WMDs in Iraq that he and all his republican Party first stooges knew didn't exist.
maybe you forgot budgee? i was one of the first to start telling people they weren't there...
took alot of crap for it...
Posted by BooDog on :
They weren't there? Ever? Or just by the time someone looked?
lol
Posted by glassman on :
abu-graib was all about interrogation... lots of "interrogations" were made
the "official presidential" report, which was available before the '04 election, and Kerry never used, was that Sadam had pretty much followed the UN guidelines, but lied about it out of pride and probably fear...
Posted by bdgee on :
"i was one of the first to start telling people they weren't there..."
True...
"took alot of crap for it..."
Yes we did!
Posted by bdgee on :
"They weren't there? Ever? Or just by the time someone looked?"
as far as bombs theat mushroom, yes, they were never there.
as far as nerve and bio-agents, he had destroyed those....of course, he got them from us.....
Posted by T e x on :
we *know* he destroyed them? How we know this?
Posted by NaturalResources on :
This is a bit off-topic considering the current discussion but on topic for the thread...
Illegal immigrant rescues boy in desert
By TERRY TANG, Associated Press writer Sat Nov 24, 2007
quote:PHOENIX - A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.
The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.
The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.
Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.
F-ME bdgee & Persia I LIVE REAL CLOSE TO TJ FROM MY ROOF DECK I COULD HIT IT WITH AN RPG, WITCH MEENS THEY COULD DO THE SAME, SOOOOOO F-ING EASY, WAKE UP! Posted by glassman on :
LOL, i've been by your house many times then...
it's only a couple of steps, but it's a whole 'nother world...
Posted by T e x on :
same as El Paso/Juarez, I'm guessing...
at least similar
Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL, i've been by your house many times then...
it's only a couple of steps, but it's a whole 'nother world...
YEP GLASS, JUST WAS THERE FOR SOME MOUTH WORK, CROSS THAT LINE AND ALL YOUR RIGHTS OR GONE! Posted by turbokid on :
just because the bush admin. used fear after 911 to drop the likes of the patriot act on top of us doesnt mean the actions we have taken in the middle east hasnt created a group of real folks looking to do us harm. i'm well aware of the scare tactics and fear mongering going on but, i happened to catch this story on the news before bed and in the morning i was thinking it would be all over the headlines but i checked nearly every news website i could find, and found it copied on some obscure website. i think the media hypes up the fake threats and buries the real ones. and this threat is real. and has been building for a while.
look here: CIUDAD DEL ESTE, Paraguay - The Iranian-backed Hezbollah militia has taken root in South America, fostering a well-financed force of Islamist radicals boiling with hatred for the United States and ready to die to prove it, according to militia members, U.S. officials and police agencies across the continent. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17874369/
or this from 2004 Patrol agents told one Arizona newspaper that 77 males "of Middle Eastern descent" were apprehended in June in two separate incidents. All were trekking through the Chiricahua mountains and are believed to have been part of a larger group of illegal immigrants. Many were released pending immigration hearings.
released pending immigration hearings??? have you ever seen the movie "Path to Paradise" ? it details how terrorists were let loose and promised to come back to court for immigration violation, only to never show up and later bomb the WTC in 93.
The chief law enforcement officers of several Texas counties along the southern U.S. border warn that Arabic-speaking individuals are learning Spanish and integrating into Mexican culture before paying smugglers to sneak them into the United States. The Texas Sheriffs' Border Coalition believes those individuals are likely terrorists and that drug cartels and some members of the Mexican military are helping them get across the border. ----- "It's clear these people are coming in for reasons other than employment," Gonzalez said. --- "These people are not paying $50,000 or more a head just to 'take jobs no American will do.'
its right under our nose, be sure and look the other way !!
Posted by jordanreed on :
terror cells are around the world...have been for a long while. if you dont think they have been here for many,many years,then you have been duped. should you be scared?..depends on where you live.This admin. has created more terror,everywhere,and its getting worse.if you have a child 17,18,yrs old, the terror in your heart must be huge.just hope they have the smarts not to fall in with the rest of the sheep who enlist.Americas bullying the world,its arrogance and world domination phylosophy,its reliance on oil,and its refusal to admit we are wrong, is the origin of the problem.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "i was one of the first to start telling people they weren't there..."
True...
"took alot of crap for it..."
Yes we did!
budgee, unless you were here as someone else before your current sign up date, i was relating the info i had learned a full 10 months or more before you signed up...
i was quoting the '04 congressional reports well before the '04 election when the NEWSPEOPLE and even Kerry were still pretending they didn't exist.
so if you wanna blame all republicans and accuse me of being narrow minded and follish enough to believe just any old rumor i hear? be my guest, but it just shows a tendency to closed mindedness...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: terror cells are around the world...have been for a long while. if you dont think they have been here for many,many years,then you have been duped. should you be scared?..depends on where you live.This admin. has created more terror,everywhere,and its getting worse.if you have a child 17,18,yrs old, the terror in your heart must be huge.just hope they have the smarts not to fall in with the rest of the sheep who enlist.Americas bullying the world,its arrogance and world domination phylosophy,its reliance on oil,and its refusal to admit we are wrong, is the origin of the problem.
amzing to me that some think this is new...
quote:1977
March 9: Three buildings in Washington, DC are seized and over 100 hostages taken. Washington city councilman Marion Barry is shot in the chest during the incident and after a standoff all hostages are released from the District building, B'nai B'rith, and the Islamic Center. (Hanafi Muslims)
I remember water-supply getting attacked, somewhere in Louisiana back in those days...hardly *ever* see that mentioned...
Posted by glassman on :
Saudi Arabia Arrests 208 Suspects; Oil Attack Feared (Update1)
By Camilla Hall and Viola Gienger
Nov. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Saudi Arabian authorities arrested 208 suspected militants who formed six different terror cells, one of which was planning to attack an oil facility, according to the government.
Officers thwarted an attack on an auxiliary oil facility in the east of the country, arresting eight members of that cell, the state-run Saudi Press Agency said on its Arabic-language Web site, citing the Interior Ministry. Another cell, with 18 members and led by a missile expert, was arrested on suspicion of plotting to smuggle eight rockets across a Saudi border, the agency said in its account.
Fox "News" is reporting that Saudi Arabia ALSO freed 1500 "apologetic" al-queda terrorists today too..
i don't like Fox "News" so i'll wait till somebody else reports it too...
Posted by glassman on :
Nationality plays strong role in who gets freed from Guantánamo By Farah Stockman The Boston Globe Published: November 22, 2007
GUANTÁNAMO BAY NAVAL STATION, Cuba: In May 2006, the U.S. military delivered the news that Ali Muhammed Nasir Mohammed was desperate to hear: He was heading home from the prison at Guantánamo on the next plane to Saudi Arabia.
There was just one problem. Mohammed is from Yemen. When he explained the mistake, the plane left without him. He remained in his cell for 18 months.
Mohammed's case highlights the powerful role of nationality in determining who is released from Guantánamo.
Saudi Arabia, a wealthy, influential U.S. ally, has seen more than 100 of roughly 130 citizens return home from Guantánamo, including dozens a military review panel found were security threats.
But Yemen, a poor country that lacks close ties to Washington, has had only 13 of about 110 citizens repatriated, including the body of one who committed suicide. Yemen has overtaken Saudi Arabia as the nation with the most citizens in Guantánamo besides Afghanistan; roughly a third of the 310 detainees are Yemeni.
U.S. officials say Saudi Arabia has been more assertive than Yemen on the issue. Former detainees have been reintegrated into society with an expensive rehabilitation program that includes religious education, psychological counseling, furnished apartments - even brides.
"so if you wanna blame all republicans and accuse me of being narrow minded and follish enough to believe just any old rumor i hear? be my guest, but it just shows a tendency to closed mindedness..."
I think you misinterpret or mistake things.
I think you don't recognize the overt republican bias you engage in. I suppose that is not different from a lot of other people that continue to vote for "their" party out of habit, ignoring the actual situation of the moment, again out of habit, and rationalizing utter distaste for anything not Party sanctioned.
I particularly note that your attitude toward the Clintons is one of such shameless vitriol that you do not hesitate to reproduce the misrepresentations and falsehoods that can constantly be found in republican party line rhetoric and choose to forget that, simply because several million Party line right-wing faithful choose to believe and chant such things, faithfully religious devotion from the choir does not constitute fact.
Posted by glassman on :
your attitude toward the Clintons is one of such shameless vitriol
show me my vitriol...
it ain't there. i told you i do not like the idea that the clintons and the bushs have such a tight grip on the politics of America..
and i told you that Dubya became more like Clinton in his foreign policy. which is true.
I think you misinterpret or mistake things.
Posted by bdgee on :
Well, there is no doubt that if you can't see the anger and hatred rather than reason when you speak of the Clintons. then you are going to believe anyone that doesn't chime in is misinterpreting or mistaking.
I have never been a supporter of either Clinton, but I severed with the republican party over its abuse of the Constitution for political gain that it could not manage in elections. That shameful attack on the Constitution was and is accompanied by a morally shameful assault on the persons and characters of the Clintons that is vulgar and despicable and that should cause self respecting persons to be too proud to join.
Now, that method of attack is leveled at any and everything that isn't strictly Party approved. Witness the "swift boaters" and the Limbaugh visciousness to sub-teen children or spastic actors, to point to just a couple of examples.
Posted by glassman on :
i said show me.
you can't cuz i do my best to find out the truth and point it out..
you keep saying i don't know WTF i'm talking about cuz you don't wanna hear the truth
a good example is when i pointed out that Clinton was fom Arkansas and so was WalMart, you acused of being an RNC parrot, which is so far from the truth it's ajoke.....
and Clinton signed the Bush designed NAFTA...
face it, you are the one spewing vitriol.
Posted by Lockman on :
Bdgee thinks he's an intellectual and therefore must spew out Left wing liberal dribble.
The Left loves the Clintons and so must Bdgee. Bdgee is the one who attacks anyone he feels is not drinking the left wing koolaid.
Don't try and confuse him with the truth for he only see's life from his left eye.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Bdgee thinks he's an intellectual and therefore must spew out Left wing liberal dribble.
The Left loves the Clintons and so must Bdgee. Bdgee is the one who attacks anyone he feels is not drinking the left wing koolaid.
Don't try and confuse him with the truth for he only see's life from his left eye.
Indeed, you are right. I am an intellectual, something you may wish you could be, with mucho education and professional successes in multiple fields.
Why is it the terribly ignorant (by choice, so often) imagine that whatever isn't on some bumper sticker they have seen over and over or or comes from a TV or radio talk show with a screaming jerk telling them how to think is left of center politically.
As a matter of fact, in each of his presidential campaigns, I worked hard to prevent Bill Clinton's success. It's too bad that your ilk cannot see the difference in adoring someone and not buying into slanderous lies about them and their character. I grant neither of the Clintons much leeway politically, but this constant hatred and slander is not even politically valid, is out of place socially, and not that many years ago would be called what it is....base, un-American, and narrow minded trash. People that participate in that sort of slander need to be treated like the scum they generate (like what they really are).
You wouldn't recognize the truth if it walked up and patted you on the noggin, because you can't see that far for the right-wing slime and hatred you constantly pump out so the realities of life won't intrude on your bias.
Posted by glassman on :
but this constant hatred and slander
you might wanna reconsider what you call slander budg.
Posted by bdgee on :
No, I call them as as they are and slander is slander.
"WordNet - Cite This Source - Share This slander
noun 1. words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another 2. an abusive attack on a person's character or good name [syn: aspersion] "
Posted by glassman on :
falsley is the operative word.
Posted by bdgee on :
Not really, abusive is.
Posted by glassman on :
LOL... there is an old saying in the legal community, the best defense against slander and libel is truth.. in your citation (as in all cases of libel or slander)? #2 is dependent upon #1
slander
• noun Law 1 the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person’s reputation. Compare with LIBEL. 2 a false and malicious spoken statement.
when the truth is invoked? there is no slander or libel...
Posted by bdgee on :
"there is an old saying in the legal community, the best defense against slander and libel is truth."
That is not what the law says, though. Indeed, slander, the legal variety, can ensue from absolute truth, whenever that truth was forcefully and unnecessarily put forth in order to bismerch the standing or reputation of a person or to gain personal favor from having done so.
"when the truth is invoked? there is no slander or libel..."
Do your homework. There are many court rulings, both state and federal, that declare that the truth of a thing is not an element that eliminates it from being a slander.
Just because the Clintons are public figures and so cannot easily win a law suit of being slandered (the same is true of a movie star or a football player or any well known person) does not make spreading even absolute truth about them free from slander, it only make them have to achieve a far far more difficult standard of "proof" to succeed such a suit.
Even so, if you limit consideration to only falsity, eager and frequent claims and appeals to find illegal involvement, such as claims of illegal activity involving stock options or claims of participation in a "murder" of a political figure without any basis other than political speculation, when there is no basis that the legal system can find after years and years and millions and millions of dollars of public funds and even more from republican "sources" in the "hope" of tainting the reputation and character of someone is a falsehood. It is slanderous. It is distasteful and base.
Posted by glassman on :
Do your homework. There are many court rulings, both state and federal, that declare that the truth of a thing is not an element that eliminates it from being a slander.
show me one.
Posted by glassman on :
SLANDER - A false defamation (expressed in spoken words, signs, or gestures) which injures the character or reputation of the person defamed; distinguished from libel.
The defaming a man in his reputation by speaking or writing words which affect his life, office, or trade, or which tend to his loss of preferment in marriage or service, or in his inheritance, or which occasion any other particular damage. In England, if slander be spoken of a peer, or other great man, it is called Scandalum Magnatum. Falsity and malice are ingredients of slander. Written or printed slanders are libels.
Here it is proposed to treat of verbal slander only, which may be considered with reference to, 1st. The nature of the accusation. 2d. The falsity of the charge. 3d. The mode of publication. 4th. The occasion; and 5th. The malice or motive of the slander.
Actionable words are of two descriptions; first, those actionable in themselves, without proof of special damages and, secondly, those actionable only in respect of some actual consequential damages. Words of the first description must impute: - 1st. The guilt of some offence for which the party, if guilty, might be indicted and punished by the criminal courts; as to call a person a "traitor," "thief," "highwayman;" or to say that he is guilty of "perjury," "forgery," "murder," and the like. And although the imputation of guilt be general, without stating the particulars of the pretended crime, it is actionable. - 2d. That the party has a disease or distemper which renders him unfit for society. An action can therefore be sustained for calling a man a leper. But charging another with having had a contagious disease is not actionable, as he will not, on that account, be excluded from society. A charge which renders a man ridiculous, and impairs the enjoyment of general society, and injures those imperfect rights of friendly intercourse and mutual benevolence which man has with respect to man, is also actionable. - 3d. Unfitness in an officer, who holds an office to which profit or emolument is attached, either in respect of morals or inability to discharge the duties of the office in such a case an action lies. - 4th. The want of integrity or capacity, whether mental or pecuniary, in the conduct of a profession, trade or business, in which the party is engaged, is actionable as to accuse an attorney or artist of inability, inattention, or want of integrity or a clergyman of being a drunkard; Of the second class are words which are actionable only in respect of special damages sustained by the party slandered. Though the law will not permit in these cases the inference of damage, yet when the damage has actually been sustained, the party aggrieved may support an action for the publication of an untruth unless the assertion be made for the assertion of a supposed claim. Action upon the case for Defamation but it lies if maliciously spoken. The charge must be false; the falsity of the accusation is to be implied till the contrary is shown. The instance of a master making an unfavorable representation of his servant, upon an application for his character, seems to be an exception, in that case there being a presumption from the occasion of the speaking, that the words were true. The slander must, of course, be published, that is communicated to a third person; and if verbal, then in a language which he understands, otherwise the plaintiff's reputation is not impaired. A letter addressed to the party, containing libelous matter, is not sufficient to maintain a civil action, though it may subject the libeler to an indictment, as tending to a breach of the peace; the slander must be published respecting the plaintiff; a mother cannot maintain an action for calling her daughter a *******. To render words actionable, they must be uttered without legal occasion. On some occasions it is justifiable to utter slander of another, in others it is excusable, provided it be uttered without express malice. It is justifiable for au attorney to use scandalizing expressions in support of his client's cause and pertinent thereto. Members of congress and other legislative assemblies cannot be called to account for anything said in debate. Malice is essential to the support of an action for slanderous words. But malice is in general to be presumed until the contrary be prove except in those cases where the occasion prima facie excuses the publication. SLANDERER - A calumniator, who maliciously and without reason imputes a crime or fault to another, of which he is innocent. For this offence, when the slander is merely verbal, the remedy is an action on the case for damages; when it is reduced to writing or printing, it is a libel. http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s052.htm
ca·lum·ni·ate (k-lmn-t) tr.v. ca·lum·ni·at·ed, ca·lum·ni·at·ing, ca·lum·ni·ates To make maliciously or knowingly false statements about
falseness is at the very basis of libel and slander.. move on...
next you'll be telling us one equals two in certain instances...
Posted by bdgee on :
It's slander. And crude.
Your eagerness to ignore the reality is what I was pointing out.
Posted by cottonjim on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Bdgee thinks he's an intellectual and therefore must spew out Left wing liberal dribble.
The Left loves the Clintons and so must Bdgee. Bdgee is the one who attacks anyone he feels is not drinking the left wing koolaid.
Don't try and confuse him with the truth for he only see's life from his left eye.
they are rioting in the Sudan cuz the teacher that allowed her class of elemnetary age kids to name their teddy bear Mohammed is not being executed...
sure, we have nothing to worry about from certain factions of the Islamic world ....
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: It's slander. And crude.
Your eagerness to ignore the reality is what I was pointing out.
crude? sure! that's politics in the USA.. slander? if you consider yourself educated? act like it.
Posted by cottonjim on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: you think that's bad?
they are rioting in the Sudan cuz the teacher that allowed her class of elemnetary age kids to name their teddy bear Mohammed is not being executed...
sure, we have nothing to worry about from certain factions of the Islamic world ....
And yet there are how many hispanic's walking around named "Jesus" and no one bats an eye Posted by bdgee on :
Now I may be incorrect, but I thought I once saw you make a statement that you are educated. I take that to be the case and, indeed, I have no reason or preference to believe otherwise, particularly in observance of your obvious knowledge. If you are lacking in formal education, then you clearly have achieved a good bit of it informally. Should I suggest that you act accordingly, thereby implying a shortcoming on your part? I shan't.
Besmirching the name and character of someone simply because they are not of your preferred party or claiming they have committed imagined crimes on the basis that they cannot withstand multi-million dollar political campaigns from your party to plant and constantly push that agenda over a decade and more, even continuing after the courts have ruled that there is no crime found may be politics, but it is not gentlemanly, is not made palatable by claiming it is politics, and is slander, even if the courts allow the standard of proof for a legal action to that effect , when the person bringing that action is a "public figure", to be so great it is an effectively an impossible effort.
By the way, the proper standard for slander is to to bring to some third person the character or name of another to ridicule or other harm where it would not have been otherwise, regardless of the truth or lack of truth of anything said or implied.
Posted by glassman on :
budge, next time i write a lie? lemme know..
otherwise? IMO? you are only about infringing on freedom of speech..
you are incorrect in the definition of slander, and furthermore? i have never even "made anything up" about the clintons. you speak of ethereal "things" cuz you are totally unable to reference them, and that's because they don't exist.
and yes, i am from the Abe Lincoln School of Higher Education mostly because "academics" annoy the crap outa me.... Posted by jordanreed on :
come on, you two...
Posted by bdgee on :
Why? I let you know and you get all nasty and insulting.
No I am not, it is you that mis-defines legal slander, picking out instead talk show lines of almost bumper sticker depth instead. so that it fits your own designs.
Yes, I know, You make your negative feelings against things intellectual or academic clear quite often.
Posted by Lockman on :
The most intellectual guy I ever met did'nt work because he felt he was to smart to hold a job.
Kinda like college professor's. lol
Oh wait did I just slander a whole profession. sorry.
Posted by bdgee on :
You're safe, I think.
The law isn't binding for those unable to assume responsibility ....... the infirm, children, the insane, etc........
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: You're safe, I think.
The law isn't binding for those unable to assume responsibility ....... the infirm, children, the insane, etc........
lol Thanks bdgee. Hey where's my medicine.
Posted by glassman on :
ah yes, the thorazine defense Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: come on, you two...
wazzamatta JR you're not having as much fun as we are?
Posted by bdgee on :
Nah,'course not.
He is so constituted that he always has whatever fun anyone else is having as a minimum.
Posted by glassman on :
you just don't cut anybody any slack do ya? LOL..
'cept Hill... Posted by bdgee on :
Darn, glass...I thought I was cutting some for jordanreed.....
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