Guess there's a lot more homosexuals in the islamic world then they'd like to let on.
Posted by bdgee on :
Yep, they are a lot like "we the people", in general, though not so bad as the evangelicals.
We like to act like it doesn't exists, the evans like to claim and act like god chose it not to be.
Hell, man, if god doesn't like it all he has to do is think it away and it will be gone. Think, now, he is god and he had to know about it before we did. Clearly he didn't have to think it through and knew it was something he intended even before it was there. So, obviously, he must have meant there to be fruits, fags, cross dressers, queers, Aggies, lezzies, damnyankees, and other assorted kinds of diviants from the perfect world. So stop fighting what he planned so carefully. Be respectful of them just like all of god's creatures.
Posted by Lockman on :
Don't tell and we won't ask. Pres. Clinton's solution to homosexuals in the Military.
Hey without gays who would design the curtains for most living rooms.
Posted by wdcisco on :
"We do not like women, we just want boys" That is sick! I just threw up in my mouth a little. Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Don't tell and we won't ask. Pres. Clinton's solution to homosexuals in the Military.
Hey without gays who would design the curtains for most living rooms.
Or serve in the Congress as a republican?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Yep, they are a lot like "we the people", in general, though not so bad as the evangelicals.
We like to act like it doesn't exists, the evans like to claim and act like god chose it not to be.
Hell, man, if god doesn't like it all he has to do is think it away and it will be gone. Think, now, he is god and he had to know about it before we did. Clearly he didn't have to think it through and knew it was something he intended even before it was there. So, obviously, he must have meant there to be fruits, fags, cross dressers, queers, Aggies, lezzies, damnyankees, and other assorted kinds of diviants from the perfect world. So stop fighting what he planned so carefully. Be respectful of them just like all of god's creatures.
Aggies?
yur askin' a lot...
Posted by bdgee on :
ha ha h ha ha
I guess you are right.
Posted by glassman on :
Yep, they are a lot like "we the people", in general, though not so bad as the evangelicals.
you don't know much about Arabic/Islamic culture then.
they are not alot like "we the people"...
we share very few cultural commonalities.
that is the reason Bush the First was smart to leave Sadam in place.
show me one western culture where women are sequestered from men as a matter of course.
this practice predates Islam. Iraq was one of the most progressive country for womens rights in the Mideast. Now? It's "reverting"...
Islamists introduced the idea that artists should not attempt to realistically portray nature in their art. They decreed that it was blaspheming the Creative work of Allah by trying to copy it...
i can go on and on about the differences bdge.
the real problem isn't what one culture or another decides is acceptable or normal, the real problem is when another culture decides the other is wrong and feels compelled to "fix" them Posted by jordanreed on :
our foreign policy has to change ...
Posted by glassman on :
yes it does. and recently Giulianni has been hiring neo-cons as his foreign policy advisors.. talk about watching a political party self-destruct
when i moved to MS, everybody i met tried to recruit me into their church. we have alot of churches here too.. without fail, one of the "selling points" was always how many missionaries they had already sent to Afghanistan and were putting together for Iraq. it took all of my self-discipline to refrain from informing that they were sending people to certain death at worst, and at best they were guaranteeing that the wars would last for decades.
as for this topic? i wonder if the Greeks introduced this behaviour to the Arabs or vice- versa?
Posted by bdgee on :
"you don't know much about Arabic/Islamic culture then."
If you misread what I said to imply that they were a lot like us in all ways, then you are not paying attention. The statement, "Yep, they are a lot like "we the people", in general...", had an antecedent that was, "Guess there's a lot more homosexuals in the islamic world then they'd like to let on.", so that my statement says that, with respect to homosexuality, they are no different from us...they generally disaprove and we, in some special cases particullarly considering the evangelicals, they disapprove more than mildly and more than simply disapprove.
You certainly may "go one and on" about the differences in islamic society and ours, but you are fooling yourself to imagine I don't already know it and need to be taught.
Again, my statemnent followed an antecedent that limits its breadth and application.
Posted by glassman on :
wow budge, you got it. now next time you do it to anybody they should feel free to copy that post of yours and remind you not take stuff outa context.
Posted by Machiavelli on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: wow budge, you got it. now next time you do it to anybody they should feel free to copy that post of yours and remind you not take stuff outa context.
lol Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: wow budge, you got it. now next time you do it to anybody they should feel free to copy that post of yours and remind you not take stuff outa context.
I think you have things a bit distorted as to who has been taking things out of context, glass....
The statement of mine that you quoted was quite out of context by you and claiming mine was does not make it so.
I offer you a proper descriptions of what is meant by "taking something out of context""
"The practice of "quoting out of context", sometimes referred to as "contextomy," is a logical fallacy and type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning. Quoting out of context is often a means to set up "straw man" arguments. Straw man arguments are arguments against a position which is not held by an opponent, but which may bear superficial similarity to the views of the opponent."
"Contextomy refers to the selective excerpting of words from their original linguistic context in a way that distorts the source’s intended meaning, a practice commonly referred to as "quoting out of context". The problem here is not the removal of a quote from its original context (as all quotes are) per se, but to the quoter's decision to exclude from the excerpt certain nearby phrases or sentences (which become "context" by virtue of the exclusion) that serve to clarify the intentions behind the selected words."
Now, may I point out that you, quoted stuff of mine without including the circumstances of the surrounding dialog and proporting that it was stated in an entirely different context, which is what you, not I, did, is "quoting out of context.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: wow budge, you got it. now next time you do it to anybody they should feel free to copy that post of yours and remind you not take stuff outa context.
lol :D
I refer you to the my previous post on "quoting out of context". Just a bit of gramer you might need, since it is something you do often.
Now you have a good day after Thanksgiving.
lol
Posted by glassman on :
pretty bird
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: pretty bird
Is that a Yellow Nape glass? It is a beautiful bird.
Posted by glassman on :
Polytelis swansonii
The Superb Parrot is also known as the Barraband or Green Leek. They are medium sized birds, about 400 mm long. They can be identified by their long bright green tails, green bodies and blue tipped wings. Males are a richer green than females and have a bright yellow forehead and throat which is banded by a bold red ring. In flight, their sleek bodies, long pointed tails and backward swept wings give them a distinctive silhouette.
Despite its elegant appearance, the Superb Parrot is a hardy bird which can live for up to 25 years. However, its range is very restricted and numbers are diminishing. It is listed as Rare or Vulnerable.
The clearing of box woodlands which provided forage and breeding sites is thought to be one of the main reasons for its decline. This, along with changes in agricultural activities, the clearing of dead trees for firewood, road kills, trapping and poaching have all contributed to a decline in the population. A further problem faced by the Superb Parrot is the invasion of its former nests by swarms of bees.
The Superb Parrot is endemic to the Murray-Darling Basin. It occurs mainly in the red gum forests and black box woodlands of the Riverina and northern Victoria. It migrates to over-winter along the Namoi and Castlereagh rivers in north-western New South Wales.
The birds return from wintering sites to the South-west Slopes, Murrumbidgee Valley and Barmah-Millewa Forests have been identified as the major breeding areas.
Superb Parrots are social birds and often feed in pairs or in small parties searching for seeds, nectar, and grains. During the breeding season, flocks of males can be seen feeding together and collecting food for nesting females. This is done two to three times a day over a month or more while the eggs and new hatchlings are developing.
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Polytelis swansonii
The Superb Parrot is also known as the Barraband or Green Leek. They are medium sized birds, about 400 mm long. They can be identified by their long bright green tails, green bodies and blue tipped wings. Males are a richer green than females and have a bright yellow forehead and throat which is banded by a bold red ring. In flight, their sleek bodies, long pointed tails and backward swept wings give them a distinctive silhouette.
Despite its elegant appearance, the Superb Parrot is a hardy bird which can live for up to 25 years. However, its range is very restricted and numbers are diminishing. It is listed as Rare or Vulnerable.
The clearing of box woodlands which provided forage and breeding sites is thought to be one of the main reasons for its decline. This, along with changes in agricultural activities, the clearing of dead trees for firewood, road kills, trapping and poaching have all contributed to a decline in the population. A further problem faced by the Superb Parrot is the invasion of its former nests by swarms of bees.
The Superb Parrot is endemic to the Murray-Darling Basin. It occurs mainly in the red gum forests and black box woodlands of the Riverina and northern Victoria. It migrates to over-winter along the Namoi and Castlereagh rivers in north-western New South Wales.
The birds return from wintering sites to the South-west Slopes, Murrumbidgee Valley and Barmah-Millewa Forests have been identified as the major breeding areas.
Superb Parrots are social birds and often feed in pairs or in small parties searching for seeds, nectar, and grains. During the breeding season, flocks of males can be seen feeding together and collecting food for nesting females. This is done two to three times a day over a month or more while the eggs and new hatchlings are developing.
Thanks for the info. Exquisite creature. Love the feather plating on the back and the highlighted colors.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
One of these days the human race will recognize that homosexual behavior has been prevalent throughout human history and indeed is prevalent throughout many species in the animal kingdom worldwide. Is it "moral"? I can't answer that question. But putting it under a blanket of secrecy only allows the vulnerable to be victimized in silence.
don't know that prevalent is the best word there, big...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
LOL I won't fight semantics with you Tex...you'd win hands down. What word would you use?
Posted by glassman on :
ubiquitous?
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
commonplace would work but I don't really like the word.
Posted by jordanreed on :
happening?
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Help us out here Tex!
Posted by T e x on :
Oh, gosh...don't have a ready substitution handy...
would say it's a constant ie, a given in human nature, some part of every culture I know of... ubiquitous, to me, connotes everywhere, which smacks into the problem with prevalent, ie, if it were so, whichever species we're considering would be at a disadvantage, procreationally speaking. Perhaps if "ubiquitous" were qualified somehow.
maybe something like: "although not a dominant trait, it is ubiquitous in the sense of existing worldwide, in every culture, suppressed more in some than in others."
dunno...no quick answer. will think it over some more...interesting.
Posted by bdgee on :
I'll offer a word (actually the negative of a word) well suited to the purpose...a word that, when you consider the actual data and the facts, seems to be just about perfect to describe occurrence of homosexuality in human and non-human populations, but point out that, as fitting as it is, that almost perfect fit disturbs the closed minded that so eagerly rail against homosexuals and want us all to join their bias.
That term is "not abnormal", giving, "homosexuality in human and other forms of life is not abnormal".
I don't propose "normal" for the purpose of describing homosexuality, because I don't want to allow the notion that I am suggesting that not being homosexual is abnormal, i.e. so: "red-headedness is not abnormal" as opposed to "being redheaded is normal" (or "being red-headed is the norm") and carrying the possible conclusion that failure to be red-headed is abnormal.
Yep, I think it is genetic and not something that can be learned, taught, unlearned or conditioned one way or the other. (We might put more effort in conditioning the closed minded to stop hating and punishing them though.)
It is not abnormal in any way, though I accept that for those not so "gened", it isn't possible to fathom comfort in the desires in those born to homosexuality and, as well, to the homosexual it must be every bit as difficult to understand not having those desires and having them replaced by some the rest of us think is only "proper".
Posted by T e x on :
well, shucks...
actually, it *is* abnormal, in the sense of away from the norm
but I catch your drift, hence my vote for constant, to which you refer quite accurately via Charlie Brown's lil red-haired girl...
As a species, we have a problem--a "blind-spot in the mirror"--with deviance. Left to "the norm" standard of behavior, not only would sexual deviants be eliminated but also artists, philosophers...and online traders, lol.
On the other hand, pederasty, bestiality, serial homicide, imperial oppression, tribal conflict...et al ... have "always been with us."
The key-in-the-lock is "consenting adults."
My "gripe," as it were, with the PC "homophilia" is mostly linguistic: I object to gay (cf, Robert Frost, "gay apparel" et al) and the compromising of marriage. In the absence of traditional oppression/suppression, homosexuals would not carry such a burden.
Posted by bdgee on :
Yep....
Darn difficult to tie specific words and careful reasoning to a thing we genetically find unfathomable, let alone justifiable. Whatever side of the coin landed up in your own case, it is just about impossible to handle feelings like those for whom the other side was came up at the coin toss.
We do need to realize it wasn't a decision made by and responsible "them" or by us and, therefore, isn't something worthy of blame. (Even if it had been a "decision", it was made before it or any consequences if it were understandable or realizable. The process doesn't go backwards, no matter which it was, so it isn't "correctable". It is neither correct nor incorrect, neither good nor bad, it simply is, just as zero is neither positive nor negative. It, once decided, by whomever or whatever and whichever, is irreversible and is something we have to live with, sort of like being born or afflicted with a missing limb or a blind eye or being deaf or something.)
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Don't tell and we won't ask. Pres. Clinton's solution to homosexuals in the Military.
Hey without gays who would design the curtains for most living rooms.
Or serve in the Congress as a republican?
Somebody has to go to those wild Democrat parties.
Posted by bdgee on :
The democrats don't have rules against gays like the republicans do. They don't make a show of voting against them at every opportunity, while secretely flooding Congressional staffs with gays to please the gay republican congressmen. It's the secret "associations" of the republicans that might peak your curiousity, as in the line from the old lymric, "Who has the right to do which and with what and to whom?"
Personally, I don't give a hoot what a couple of fruits do in private. It's their privacy and they agree to it. so I respect that enough to grant them the right to it. Now, if you can think of a way to get republicans to respect others privacy, let me know.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
When I was young I was taught that despite its common use there is no such thing as normal.
That the closest thing to "normal" that actually exists is "average."
And really, who would make it a goal to be average?
My Thanks to you Mr Connor, my 9th grade theatre teacher.
Posted by bdgee on :
Unless you are using "normal" as a mathematical term, where normal has quite different usages, one being "at 90 degrees to", that is, a specific amount of askew.
Posted by Oddmanout on :
Hmmm....Very queer responses here.
Posted by T e x on :
Whose woods these are...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
quote:Originally posted by Oddmanout: Hmmm....Very queer responses here.
We have gotten a bit off topic haven't we?
Posted by bdgee on :
So?
Who gets to define off topic, anyway?
Posted by T e x on :
PurlGurl does:
"Can't you boys stay off topic?"
lol, can't remember the exact quote or thread...
was in reply to Glassy-eyed Bozo, as I recall
Posted by bdgee on :
Would very much like to hear from the Lady Purl.....
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