"Liberal" Hillary Clinton is for permanent stay in Iraq, after all the smoke that was blown up the peoples butts about getting us out of there?
"Conservative" Rudy Giuliani is for partial-birth abortions after all the smoke that was blown from the GOP's on that topic?
I mean, I'm all for getting rid of all the party labels and getting us back to "One Nation Under God" ,but man they sure picked some monster issues to flop on...Didn't they?
Posted by glassman on :
Hillary and Dubya are both bad for America IMO..
Rudy is for partial birth abortions? i doubt it... i bet he is for staying the heck out of other people personal affairs tho...
i beleive he is the best hope we have right now...
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: "Liberal" Hillary Clinton is for permanent stay in Iraq, after all the smoke that was blown up the peoples butts about getting us out of there?
"Conservative" Rudy Giuliani is for partial-birth abortions after all the smoke that was blown from the GOP's on that topic?
I mean, I'm all for getting rid of all the party labels and getting us back to "One Nation Under God" ,but man they sure picked some monster issues to flop on...Didn't they?
You aren't very swift on the getting back to what we are department.
Lets see, now, borrowing the title, The Greatest generation", which was those Americans born just before and growing up during the great depression. They learned and recited that pledge as,
"....one nation, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all...."
not as you want it to be,
"one nation, under god....".
Then they went off and lasted through that terrible world war with those sentaments they learned as children and continued to say "indivisable" rather than "under god", even after. I think they did pretty damned well without the "god pledge", just believing in this nation, indivisable, don't you? They did a hell of a lot better than we are getting now from the righwing christian fanatics, to say the least.
You need to pay more attention to the Constitution than to your republican talking points:
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establisment of a religion...".
I want my country to be my country because it is what it is. I certainly don't want it turned over to a bunch of fanatics of the type that tortured Galileo for understanding they were wrong.
Posted by bdgee on :
You have to be pretty damned far right to see Hillary as liberal.
Takes a badly skewed prospective.
Posted by Upside on :
Do I owe you 15.00 now Highway?
Posted by T e x on :
no, you owe me...
he transferred the debt Posted by HILANDER on :
I like seeing Hillary's party lines when she wears a tight skirt or pants. Posted by T e x on :
lol, that's so funny...you've always had a thang for her...
I think it's like my crush on Jane Pauley... Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Do I owe you 15.00 now Highway?
Too close to call, call it a draw on that one if you want...lol
Posted by urnso77 on :
"Where are the party lines?"
bush snorted them all. lol rofl..
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
LOL
Nah, he doesn't do that anymore. His girls prolly took care of it for him.
It is true though that political leaders are starting to stray from party lines. I like that personally and hope it starts happening more often.
All this 'Demon'crat versus 'Repugnant'can is only polarizing an already difficult job. If more members start crossing party lines I think it's more likely moderate voices will hold weight across the board.
Perhaps that is one gift that Bush will end up giving us. Making everyone so PO'd at the infighting and trickery that'll they will start voting their conscious instead of obeying orders.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to get back to that???
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: I like seeing Hillary's party lines when she wears a tight skirt or pants.
i like Martha a lot better than Hillary Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by urnso77: "Where are the party lines?"
bush snorted them all. lol rofl..
that's pretty good URN.... but i think they were all gone by the time Dubya got to office.... Billary got 'em...
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
If these turn out to be the candidates, Highwaychild, which one will you vote for?
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: "Liberal" Hillary Clinton is for permanent stay in Iraq...
"Conservative" Rudy Giuliani is for partial-birth abortions...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Ooo good question Gordo!
Which is the lesser evil here?
I know Giuliani has his supporters and did alright in NYC but there's something about the guy I just don't trust.
Not that I think career politician Hillary is the answer the country has been waiting for either.
Hmmm...?
Posted by bdgee on :
I think it is way too early to be even suggestiong that ANY so called candidate has the likelyhood of being the candidate.
Anyone that is convinced otherwise must be about 15 years old and never actually witnessed a presidential campaign before.
Also, anyone that believes the nevative hype being thrown around about any candidate at this time must have already been biased against that person anyway. That is normal and presents no true movement of the people, just the already biased, who, of course, aren't being moved, just rigid and non-thinking.
Posted by glassman on :
dang bdgee calm down, it's just a what if....
if the GOP puts Rudy up as their candidate? it will mena the religious right has withdrawn from the field of engagement... Posted by bdgee on :
I'm calm. Just pointing out the sillyness of getting the cart before the horse.
The religious right may have already forced itself out of the field by tying itself to dubya.
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
So who would you vote for today, if these candidates were your only choice? Anyone?
Posted by urnso77 on :
Rudy...but im just a rightwing puppet
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
So you accept that he'll deem women fit to control their own bodies?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by urnso77: Rudy...but im just a rightwing puppet
Rudy is pick of the litter IMO too...
Posted by urnso77 on :
I'm not a big abortion nut. Just don't like the partial birth stuff.
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
That "partial birth" angle is just a scare tactic used by the Christian Reich.
It very rarely happens in reality...
In fact, the term "Partial Birth Abortion" was created by fear mongers. It is not a medical term whatsoever.
Posted by glassman on :
i have never been able to find any statistics that were published by a reliable source on partial birth abortions...
70-75% of Americans want reasonable limits on abortions.
the fact is? the GOP congress and Bush intentionally crafted bills that could not pass constittutional muster JUST to get the activists all riled up...
sadly? Bush and the GOP's CAUSED more abortions to be allowed by passing an (intentionally) unconstitutional law just to score political points.. sick ain't it?
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
Define "reasonable limits."
Posted by bdgee on :
Reasonable limits: one man's trash is another man's.....
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
Exactly. What the hell does "reasonable" mean in this case?
Posted by HILANDER on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: I like seeing Hillary's party lines when she wears a tight skirt or pants.
i like Martha a lot better than Hillary
I like 'em both glass. My ultimate threesome. rrrrrrraaaaaaauuuuuuuuggggggggghhhhhhhhhh
Posted by T e x on :
what an image...
Posted by Highwaychild on :
yeah,what an image... I think I've gotta puke!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: yeah,what an image... I think I've gotta puke!
whatcha talking about... Martha was a model just a few years ago:
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Ok, just half way pukin'! She's HOT!!! It was just the Hillary image that put the whammy on me.LOL
Posted by T e x on :
a few years ago...could be the key...
are you saying that's Martha Stewart?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: a few years ago...could be the key...
are you saying that's Martha Stewart?
she's a model isn't she Posted by bdgee on :
A model what?
Posted by T e x on :
hip-bones would hurt me...
Posted by bdgee on :
My hip bones do hurt at times. I think I need a new matterss.
Posted by T e x on :
misstress mattress?
lol, what ARE you saying?
Posted by bdgee on :
Can't type.
As to a misstress, I always wanted to know for sure what is the plural so I'd know what to tell santa to bring.
Posted by T e x on :
Gotta check the Latin root...
hope it's not one of those squirrely "ae" thingees...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: hip-bones would hurt me...
you're just looking at the problem from the wrong end Tex....
Posted by T e x on :
ain't no wrong end on dem bones...
with my bulk, I get awl-punched, either way Posted by glassman on :
weyeell, i emailed a request for Martha's photo forya Hilander, and this is what i got back....
Hello,
Thank you for contacting Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia.
We are sorry, but due to Martha's schedule, she cannot send personal correspondence. At this time she can only send an autographed photograph.
In order to expedite your autographed photograph request, please send your request with a self-addressed stamped 9-by-13-inch envelope with appropriate padding to:
Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia ATTN: Customer Relations 11 W 42nd St NY NY 10036
We will only fufill requests which include U.S. postage. We cannot process requests with return coupons. Only one request per household, please.
Due to Martha's business obligations, please allow 6-8 weeks for your autographed photo request to be completed. We appreciate your patience.
We also appreciate your interest in our daily syndicated television program, "THE MARTHA STEWART SHOW."
To request free tickets to a show, please visit our website, marthastewart.com
At the top of the homepage, click on the "TELEVISION & VIDEO" link. A new page will load.
On the left-hand side of the screen, click on the "MARTHA STEWART SHOW."
A new page will load. Click on "GET TICKETS." A new page will load.
Dates and times will be posted, if available.
If there are no weeks or dates posted, it means we do not future dates available at this time. We usually book at least one month in advance.
If a date states "AUDIENCE IS FULL," it means there are no tickets available for the date. Do not advance to the "Ticket Reservation Form" unless the date you are available is still accepting audience members.
If a date states "COMING SOON," it means that the date has been scheduled, but tickets are not yet available. Do not advance to the "Ticket Reservation Form."
If you advance to the Ticket Reservation Form and all of the dates state "AUDIENCE IS FULL" or "COMING SOON," you will not be able to select a date, and you will not be able to reserve tickets.
Only advance to the Ticket Reservation Form if the date states "Tickets are Available."
Tickets may be requested on-line only.
***The show is taped from mid-September to late May. We do not film during the months of June, July, or August. Our crew is on hiatus.***
Sincerely,
MSLO Customer Relations Posted by bdgee on :
Gosh!
I bet thaat makes you feel special.
Posted by glassman on :
next time i'm in New York? i'm gonna tell Donald that Marth a dissed me, and ask him to give her the Rosie treatment too Posted by urnso77 on :
I heard trump is going to shave his head depending on how the wrestlemania fight turns out. Anyone else hear that? I'm not much of a wrestling fan but I heard that on the radio this morning.
Posted by bdgee on :
If I'm ever heard saying "next time I'm in New York", you better check out the guy behind me holding the gun
Posted by glassman on :
hey, i didn't say i was going there soon...
Posted by bdgee on :
lol
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: If I'm ever heard saying "next time I'm in New York", you better check out the guy behind me holding the gun
You have a problem with New York?
I'm surprised because it's full of DNC followers just like you. lol
Posted by NaturalResources on :
quote:Originally posted by urnso77: I heard trump is going to shave his head depending on how the wrestlemania fight turns out. Anyone else hear that? I'm not much of a wrestling fan but I heard that on the radio this morning.
LOL, yeah I heard that too... I think he should just shave it all off regardless of the outcome... Go with the "Daddy Warbucks" look.
Seriously, the comb-over is pathetic. You would think a man of his means could afford something that at least would look good and real at the same time... Then again, being as rich as he is, he might think his comb over looks good and doesn't give a **** what anybody else thinks.. After all, he is The Donald.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Too closed in for me. I been to New York a few times and the only place I ever really feel comfortable there is in Central Park.
Not meaning to sound like my moniker here but I like real trees much better than steel ones rising high above my head.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: If I'm ever heard saying "next time I'm in New York", you better check out the guy behind me holding the gun
You have a problem with New York?
I'm surprised because it's full of DNC followers just like you. lol
You poor ignorant and bigoted dummy.
I'm not a follower of anything or anybody. The DNC doessn't accept or even approve of me and my ideas. But, unlike you, they have the good grace to accept that I have rights just like they do.
Haven't you ever noticed that people that have never lived except in a purely dictatorial state are unable to concieve of the freedoms of democracy, since they see anything different from what they know as the opposit of them and think it is an impossible state. That seems to be your problem. Never able to concieve of the freedoms that free thinking grants, you first declare anyone not burdoned with he same "LEADER" figure as you must have a similar "LEADER" figure, that you then declare to be opposite to yours.
In your case, you imagine the democratic party to be the opposite of the republican party. It is not. Many of those two party's objectives and goals are mutual. Most are mutual, in fact. (That holds true for the various minor parties too.).
You need to grow up intellectually and stop labeling people and learn to understand, but I will promise you that will never happen if you insist on the childish notion that republicans and democrats are or should be opposites.
Then, too, you have a problem with one simple fact: at no time in this Nation's history has the percentage of solidly republicans in the population been as high as 35%, while in most times, over 50% of the population are democrats.
That leaves about half the total percentage of republicans being people like me and, when we get fed up with the disgusting shenanigans and scandals you always perputuate, there is well over half the voting population against you in the next election.
It's a thing you ought to carefully consider while you are insulting folks....they may resent being labeled by republicans. That alone can be enough to cause someone to choose sides in an election.
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: If I'm ever heard saying "next time I'm in New York", you better check out the guy behind me holding the gun
You have a problem with New York?
I'm surprised because it's full of DNC followers just like you. lol
You poor ignorant and bigoted dummy.
I'm not a follower of anything or anybody. The DNC doessn't accept or even approve of me and my ideas. But, unlike you, they have the good grace to accept that I have rights just like they do.
Haven't you ever noticed that people that have never lived except in a purely dictatorial state are unable to concieve of the freedoms of democracy, since they see anything different from what they know as the opposit of them and think it is an impossible state. That seems to be your problem. Never able to concieve of the freedoms that free thinking grants, you first declare anyone not burdoned with he same "LEADER" figure as you must have a similar "LEADER" figure, that you then declare to be opposite to yours.
In your case, you imagine the democratic party to be the opposite of the republican party. It is not. Many of those two party's objectives and goals are mutual. Most are mutual, in fact. (That holds true for the various minor parties too.).
You need to grow up intellectually and stop labeling people and learn to understand, but I will promise you that will never happen if you insist on the childish notion that republicans and democrats are or should be opposites.
Then, too, you have a problem with one simple fact: at no time in this Nation's history has the percentage of solidly republicans in the population been as high as 35%, while in most times, over 50% of the population are democrats.
That leaves about half the total percentage of republicans being people like me and, when we get fed up with the disgusting shenanigans and scandals you always perputuate, there is well over half the voting population against you in the next election.
It's a thing you ought to carefully consider while you are insulting folks....they may resent being labeled by republicans. That alone can be enough to cause someone to choose sides in an election.
You are the one individual on this board that constantly labels people. Must be that DNC strategy book you read on a daily basis. Anyone that doesn't agree with your socialist agenda is wrong and you feel must be destroyed. Why don't you move to Europe you seem to love their governmental system so much.
Posted by bdgee on :
All you rightwingers make that complaint.
I am one of the non-RNC dictated to individuals on this board that will point out your vile lies and falaceous negative propagana and insist you clean up your act.
Hopefully, when you uttered, "Anyone that doesn't agree with your ... agenda is wrong and you feel must be destroyed. " It would be most fitting if you were gazing at your reflection in the mirror.
"Why don't you move to Europe you seem to love their governmental system so much."
Now that is an example of what is simultaniously so disgusting and totally dishonest about you and your campaign.
Having no actual fact with which to debete, just a headlong hatred of anything and anyone that doesn't goose step along side you to dubya's cadence, you resort to vile accusations, lies, mis-information, and un-American attacks.
".....you seem to love their governmental system so much"
Seems to you, don't you mean, via your far rightwing skewing of reality? Exactly what is the "governmental system" of Europe? Europe does not have a system of government. In case you hadn't noticed, its various countries use a variety of types of government, ranging from essentially royal fifedoms to pure democratic republics.
I have never suggested or said I preferred any one of them to ours. Indeed, I have repeatedly and forcefully declared my undieing devotion to the Constitution of the United States. It is that one cause that I serve, constantly and continuously.
So how about you stopping that BS on the grounds that it fosters a lie, if not because the very idea of inviting a U.S. citizen to leave and not participate in this Nations society or benifit from it's values is intrinsically un-American.
Moreover, I am not a socialist or anything close to a socialist and resent a loudmouth that can't even define what it means to be a socialist so labeling me. (I say that last with due appologies to socialist in general, but particularly to some of them that I have known an deeply respected, not for their socialism, but for other qualities. Being a socialist does not prevent a person from being a very fine person or father or associate or whatever. Socialist, I have found, are like Frenchmen or red-heads or Bapist or fat people....or whatever group you might assign a label to ... they are good or bad people, short or tall, smart or slow, in approximately the same percentages as any other group. Thus my apology to them for announcing I don't wish to be lumped into their pile of people.)
Now, I request again, stick to facts, stop the name calling, no more viscious implications in lieu of information, and, generally, stop the hate campaigns and regurgitation of RNC talking points.
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