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Originally posted by urnso77:
He has about as much charisma as a wet rag. Hillary has a decent shot because she's an excellent lier like her husband was.

And I love how gore says "global warming is not a political issue"

YES IT IS. Well anyway...Gore's said numerous times that hes not going to run in 08 but anything is possible.

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Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
There are those that would continue to deny climate change while diving for their submerged belongings.

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Originally posted by urnso77:
He has about as much charisma as a wet rag. Hillary has a decent shot because she's an excellent lier like her husband was.

And I love how gore says "global warming is not a political issue"

YES IT IS. Well anyway...Gore's said numerous times that hes not going to run in 08 but anything is possible.

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Originally posted by rimasco:

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Originally posted by urnso77:
He has about as much charisma as a wet rag. Hillary has a decent shot because she's an excellent lier like her husband was.

And I love how gore says "global warming is not a political issue"

YES IT IS. Well anyway...Gore's said numerous times that hes not going to run in 08 but anything is possible.

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Ill bet anything that he shows up to run in 08. His gurriler tactics are not fooling me. So when Gory does decide to run in 08 does that make me a prophet, or does that make him just like everybody else in his crew? A F-CKING LIAR!!

Go look at some charts on greenhouse gas emissions during the Clinton/Gore administration. Youll think Bush was a birkenstock wearing tree-hugger compared to those two azz-clowns.

This is Gore's "watered down" version of the republicans fear campaign. Maybe Gore will even go as far as setting up a color coded "weather threat" system.

Dont get me wrong, i know Global warming is a real threat......but I dont need this hypocritcal jackazz who did NOTHING about it during his tenure to point these things out to me. He was in a position for 8 years to do something and did NOTHING. Gores just shaking his azz for some more campaign/bribe money. Dont believe me? Heres an article from your King himself saying somwhat the same.....http://www.zmag.org/moorecrap.htm

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Well said!!!!
 

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Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
 
There will always be 30-35%


 

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Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
He doesn't need to announce a run for the white house. All he needs to do is keep doing what he is doing until the "Draft Gore" movement gets enough signatures to put his name on the ballot. Then he runs on "the will of the people" not by his own ambition.

Not stating my personal opinion here. Just saying, if I were him, that's the strategy I would use. It's risky, some states have the right to dispose of write-in candidates during primary elections...but if the grassroots campaign managed to get his name on the presidential ballot in all 50 states without him doing anything other than what he is doing now...I don't think anyone could stop that.
 

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Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
 
That would make him the most honestly-selected candidate in years.

Instead of the lesser of two evils that usually "wins" the White House, imagine a President people actually want.
 

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Posted by rimasco on :
 
He's definetly not the answer. Im not sure who is...but I am sure hes far from it.

Than what, we're gonna have to watch him tongue his wife down again to prove hes a loyal dog unlike his ex-boss?
 

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Originally posted by rimasco:
He's definetly not the answer. Im not sure who is...but I am sure hes far from it.

Than what, we're gonna have to watch him tongue his wife down again to prove hes a loyal dog unlike his ex-boss?

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Originally posted by rimasco:
Ummmmm I think its safe to say that anybody will give Hillary a run for her money.....ummmmm except Obama!

The Dems are gonna have some major trouble.....IMHO of course

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I'd vote for Gore if he ran. If he doesn't then John McCain has my vote.
 

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Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
 
John McCain used to have integrity.

That places him miles above some of the others.
 

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Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
 
I WANT A GUN SLINGER IN THERE, CLOSE THE BORDERS, BRING HOME ARE TROOPS, AND TILL THEM ALL TO F--K OFF, YOU F--K WITH US WE WILL COME TO YOUR COUNTRY, KILL YOU AND TAKE YOUR LAND AND ASSETS!
 

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Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
 
IMAKEMONEY, it sounds like you need more bran in your diet.
 

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Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
 
PRAY FOR ME G.B, LOL
 

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Posted by cottonjim on :
 
HMMMM, "IMAKE in '08", has a certain ring to it.
 

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Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
 
Pray for it!
 

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Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
 
HEY I LIKE THAT JIM! IMAKE in '08", MY NEW TAG LINE? LOL
 

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Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
 
When you're President, see if you can get rid of that capital gains tax, OK?
 

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Posted by jordanreed on :
 
also that illegal federal income tax...
 

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Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
 
FLAT TAX!
 

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Posted by tmanfromtexas on :
 
I would vote for Ron Paul, hands down. If he can get Tom Tancredo of CO to be his running mate, that would an awesome thing for this country. IMO. TMAN...
 

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Posted by undervalue on :
 
Al needs to walk the walk befor he talks the talk!
Al Gore preaches energy conservation in the face of global warming - and lives in a Tennessee mansion that consumes more electricity in a month than the average American household uses in a year.President Bush has drawn criticism for being insensitive about environmental issues - and his "Texas White House" is a model of environmentally friendly living.Marc Morano, communications director for the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public works, called the glaring discrepancy to and noted on the committee's Web site: "Former Vice President Al Gore has been criticized for his rather large electric bills . What you might not have heard about is how environmentally friendly President George Bush's home is in Crawford, Texas."On the site, Morano reprints part of a Chicago Tribune story from 2001 that describes Bush's Texas home: "Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this 'eco-friendly' dwelling use about 25 percent of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem . . . The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude."Last week reported that Gore's mansion in the Belle Meade area of Nashville devoured more than 20 times as much electricity as the national average.The Tennessee Center for Policy Research disclosed that Gore last year paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his estate.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 

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Originally posted by rimasco:
Ummmmm I think its safe to say that anybody will give Hillary a run for her money.....ummmmm except Obama!

The Dems are gonna have some major trouble.....IMHO of course

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I'd vote for Gore if he ran. If he doesn't then John McCain has my vote.

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Originally posted by undervalue:
Al needs to walk the walk befor he talks the talk!
Al Gore preaches energy conservation in the face of global warming - and lives in a Tennessee mansion that consumes more electricity in a month than the average American household uses in a year.electricity and natural gas bills for his estate.

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Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
Yep,

He shouldn't use all that energy if he doesn't need it but if it is renewable resource energy (which it is) then he is walking the walk indeed. In truth a part of every dollar charged on renewable energy resources (in most states) goes to help grow the renewable resource industry.

The fed has structured it in such a way that the energy companies win multiple ways when dealing with renewable energy.

If they are buying energy off of third parties with wind, solar, bio energy production sites they are able to pay low end rates to the third party.

They are able to turn around and charge premium prices in distributing that amount back to the public.

And they are able to put extra surcharges on to pay for their own equipment and projects so they don't have to pay in the long run for their own sustainable energy resource projects.

I am amazed that more companies aren’t jumping on the band wagon considering how this has been structured. They have almost been given a guarantee of profit with this model and still some balk.
 

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Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
P.S. Impressed that Bush has geothermal heating and cooling. He has a newly built home and a good developer.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
u dont think gore thought about how much power he uses long ago and protectee himself by using renewable resources...if he wasnt using RR, he owuld look rteally stupid...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
The Western White House
Bush and Putin by a limestone fireplace at the Western White House
Bush and Putin by a limestone fireplace at the Western White House

Heymann was selected by George W. Bush and Laura Bush to design a 10,000 ft² (930 m²) honey-colored native limestone environmentally-friendly single-level home on the Prairie Chapel Ranch, which serves as their home away from the White House. Over half of that area is from a 10 foot (3 m) wide limestone porch that encircles the house. The property has been referred to as the Western White House and as the Texas White House.

According to Heymann, the four-bedroom home was planned so that "every room has a relationship with something in the landscape that's different from the room next door. Each of the rooms feels like a slightly different place."[10] In order to help the house blend in with its surroundings, Heymann selected limestone quarried very near the location of the house. The pieces used are left-over pieces from other cuttings, making an environmental statement about conserving resources. "They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it," Heymann says. "So we bought all this throwaway stone. It's fabulous. It's got great color and it is relatively inexpensive."[11]

Both the main house and the guest house use geothermal energy for their heating and cooling and require 25% less energy usage than a conventional heating and cooling system.[12] The main residence, including the kitchen, dining room, and living room/family room use a two-speed, 6-ton water-source heat pump designed to handle up to 75 guests. The president’s office, master bedroom, and bathroom use a 3-ton water-source heat pump. The guest house uses a separate 2.5-ton unit. These heat pumps circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet (100 m) deep in the ground. Underground, the water remains a constant 67 degrees Fahrenheit, meaning that pure water can be used without the use of antifreeze.

The passive solar house is positioned to absorb winter sunlight, warming the interior walkways and walls of the residence. A 40,000 US gallon (151 m³) underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof urns; wastewater from sinks, toilets, and showers cascades into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is then used to irrigate the landscaping around the four-bedroom home.

"One thing we wanted was to make sure the house fit into the landscape," Laura Bush says. "I think it does, with the low house and the native limestone that looks very natural. It also takes advantage of the landscape with all the views."[11] The view played an important role in situating and designing the house, as did the breezes and the direction of the sun. During the design process, Heymann would outline potential layouts in the ground and the Bushes would stand there visualizing what the house would look like in each setting.

The final design takes maximum advantage of the breeze by being long and narrow - most of the house is only one room wide. The house is surrounded by a porch, which shades the house from direct sun in the summer and provides a seamless transition from indoors to outdoors. Most traffic between rooms goes via the porch, although there are some interior doors. There are no stairs or thresholds, Laura Bush points out. "We wanted our older parents to feel comfortable here," she says. "We also want to grow old here ourselves."[11] Heymann says, "The house doesn't hold you in. Where the porch ends there is grass. There is no step-up at all."[10]

President Bush has said Heymann "did a fabulous job" with the house.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Heymann

i wonder who paid?

you see? Bush didn't even buy the property until 1999......
It is the home of President George W. Bush. Then-Governor Bush bought the land, which was a former turkey/hog farm, in 1999 shortly after earning a $14.3 million profit from the sale of the Texas Rangers. Based on fair-market land prices at the time the deal was closed for an estimated $1.3 million. When Bush, still President, stays there, the estate is known as the Western White House and it has also been called the "Texas White House".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_Chapel_Ranch
 

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Posted by bdgee on :
 
"i wonder who paid?"

Very good point, I believe.

A mixture of the people of the Country and the people of Arlington?

That's my suspicion.

There is no doubt that the people of Arlington paid for the land.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
true bdgee...

and i also wonder how many other presidents have built homes while in office?
the GAO would have the data, but i don't have time to go digging right now...

anyway? i laugh heartily when people claim Bush is green anything (OTHER THAN THE LINING OF HIS OWN POCKET)

The FY06 budget request for the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) energy efficiency and renewable energy (EE/RE) programs envisions reductions totaling nearly $50 million - an overall cut of roughly 4 percent. This includes a 6 percent cut in Distributed Energy programs ($60,416 to $56,629); an 8 percent cut in the Geothermal Energy program ($25,270 to $23,299); an 18 percent cut in the Biomass/Biofuels program ($88,099 to $72,164); and a 90 percent cut in the Hydropower program ($4,862 to $500).

In fact, the Bush budget proposes to phase out DOE's hydropower program altogether and all support for the Advanced Hydropower Turbine, a joint program between DOE and the hydropower industry exploring fish-friendlier turbines, just at the time when full scale testing is about to begin at multiple locales.

Adding insult to injury for at least some of these programs, the cuts come on top of earlier reductions. The geothermal program, for example, had been funded at $28.4 million in FY03 and steadily reduced since then.

Less severely impacted is DOE's solar R&D budget which faces a reduction of only 1.3 percent, from $85.07 million in FY 05 to $83.95 million in FY 06. The solar industry has sought to put a positive spin on its reduction calling the budget request "essentially status quo funding" while applauding a "promising new initiative to advance the development of crystalline silicon solar power."

Overall, among DOE's core renewable energy programs, only wind energy is proposed for an increase - 3.4 million (from $40.8 million to $44.2 million), a relatively large expansion of nearly 9 percent.

seems he got his geothermal energy and the rest of US can rot?

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=23074
 

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Posted by bdgee on :
 
Might that be that the "all hat cowboy", dubya, just happens to hold title to several thousand acres, called The "Western White House", in a very wind rich part of Texas?

(Those were my boyhood stomping grounds and even with the inefficient windmills of the day, every farm seemed to have one, at least pumping water up from far below ground level. These modern turbines could power the farms and produce extra for sale.)
 

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Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
 
Bush's texas bunker is not "off the grid" for environmental reasons. His own security necessitates it.

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Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
P.S. Impressed that Bush has geothermal heating and cooling. He has a newly built home and a good developer.

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Posted by a surfer on :
 
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/03/gore_funding_pl.h tml

yup... what Gore is really up to.
 

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Posted by bdgee on :
 
Aside from being loaded with errors and clearly intentional abuses of fact, that websight should be surrounded with crimson swasticas.
 

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Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
 
It's fascinating how these people come out of the woodwork just to bash Gore. What are they afraid of?
 

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Posted by undervalue on :
 
It's fascinating how these people come out of the woodwork just to bash Bush. What are they afraid of?
 

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Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
 
You mean the 70% of people who don't support this criminal administration? I think they are just afraid of more of the same.
 

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Posted by bdgee on :
 
No, what is fascinating is that there are some that can't see through the republican fog and continue to believe all that hype, even after so damned much proof they are lying all the time about anything.

When you state a fact, like Bush is a liar or Bush is a mental midgit or Bush is justifiably hated all over thew world or the invasion of Iraq was uncalled for, based on evil lies, and has left the world in a quandry that cannot be ended for generations, then some koolade drinker calls that bashing Bush.

No! Informing others of the truth isn't bashing Bush.

It's clearly stating the truth and needs to be said, so that those not already informed on the matters or threatened by the hate speach of the republican attack when they do can see that objecting to the fascist doctrine of the Administration isn't unpatriotic.

That is the American way and it certainly is not bashing Bush.
 

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Posted by urnso77 on :
 
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com
 

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Posted by rimasco on :
 
I personally cant wait for Giuliani to take office...
 

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Posted by bdgee on :
 
It's hard enough to sidestep the horse hockey put about by Fat Rush the Hypocritical Doper and some sicko brings a pipeline in here directly to the HS.
 

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Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
 
IMAKE IN 08!!
 

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Originally posted by rimasco:
I personally cant wait for Giuliani to take office...

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best of breed that i see...

as long as he keeps quiet on gun control...

my idea of good gun control is a tight pattern
 

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Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
 
my idea of good gun control is a tight pattern ARGEED GLASS.
 

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