GODLESS' CAUSES LIBERALS TO PRAY ... FOR A BOOK BURNING by Ann Coulter June 21, 2006
I dedicate this column to John Murtha, the reason soldiers invented fragging.
In response to the arguments of my opponents, I say: Waaaaaaaaaah! Boo hoo hoo!
If you're upset about what I said about the Witches of East Brunswick, try turning the page. Surely, I must have offended more than those four harpies. Wait 'til you get a load of what I say about liberals in the rest of the book! You haven't seen the half of it.
For snarling victims, my book is Christmas in July. Hey — where's Max the grenade-dropper? Let's keep this diaper-fest going all summer.
How about these pungent points:
— No liberal cause is defended with more dishonesty than abortion. No matter what else they pretend to care about from time to time — undermining national security, aiding terrorists, oppressing the middle class, freeing violent criminals — the single most important item on the Democrats' agenda is abortion. Indeed, abortion is the one issue the Democratic Party is willing to go to war over — except in the Muslim world, which is jam-packed with prohibitions on abortion, but going to war against a Muslim nation might also serve America's national security objectives. Liberals don't care about women. They care about destroying human life. To them, 2,200 military deaths in the entire course of a war in Iraq is unconscionable, but 1.3 million aborted babies in America every year is something to celebrate.
— Frederica A. Massiah-Jackson of the Philadelphia Common Pleas Court was known for shouting obscenities from the bench and identifying undercover policemen in open court. Bill Clinton nominated Massiah-Jackson to be a federal district court judge in 1997. Among other notable rulings, Judge Massiah-Jackson sentenced the brutal rapist of a 10-year-old girl to the statutory minimum and apologized to the rapist, saying: "I just don't think the five to 10 years is appropriate in this case even assuming you were found guilty." She refused to allow the district attorney to present a pre-sentence report or victim impact statement, saying: "What would be the point of that?" After his release, the defendant was rearrested for raping a 9-year-old boy.
Massiah-Jackson wasn't some random nut nominated by Clinton by accident, likeJanet Reno or Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She was a liberal heroine. The New York Times was in high dudgeon when Massiah-Jackson withdrew — and not because Massiah-Jackson had sneered atAIDS victims and rape victims ... The Times was in a snit because of the "judicial mugging" the Senate had put her through. Massiah-Jackson, the Times said, "now returns to the state bench, battered but with her honor intact. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the Senate."
— Liberals were afraid of a book that told the truth about IQ ("The Bell Curve") because they are godless secularists who do not believe humans are in God's image. Christians have no fear of hearing facts about genetic differences in IQ because we don't think humans are special because they are smart. There may be some advantages to being intelligent, but a lot of liberals appear to have high IQs, so, really, what's the point? After Hitler carried the secularists' philosophy to its grisly conclusion, liberals are terrified of making any comment that seems to acknowledge that there are any differences among groups of people — especially racial groups. It's difficult to have a simple conversation — much less engage in free-ranging, open scientific inquiry — when liberals are constantly rushing in with their rule book about what can and cannot be said.
— While gays were being decimated by the AIDS virus, U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop was more interested in not "stigmatizing" them than in saving their lives. See, where I come from, being dead also carries a certain type of stigma. Instead of distributing condoms in gay bars and at productions of the play "Rent," where they might have done some good, Koop insisted on distributing condoms in kindergarten classes, in order to emphasize the point that AIDS does not discriminate, which it does.
In 1987, New York Times reporter Maureen Dowd — before she was elevated to the cartoon pages — wrote a heroic portrait of the man. Dr. Koop, she said "fiercely wants to strip AIDS of its stigma," and for that reason, he talks "about making an animated educational video that would feature two condoms 'with little eyes on them' chatting, and about the need for 'gentle, nonmystifying' sex education for students, starting in kindergarten." I would pay quite a bit of money to hear someone describe anal sex — oh hell, make it any kind of sodomy — to a 5-year-old in a gentle, nonmystifying way.
Finally, a word to those of you out there who have yet to be offended by something I have written or said: Please be patient. I am working as fast as I can.
Posted by bdgee on :
I don't think that liberals (or any of the rest of us that find her bent offensive) are in any way afraid of this disgusting fool or any of the equally disgusting fools that live in her aura. Certainly it isn't fear that causes us to avoid the crud she seems to be able to believe any more than any of us are afraid of the oder of a comode that was left unflushed overnight.
The comode, like Ann, just needs flushing and we will all, liberals amongst us, be free of the oder she leaves about with her gutter mouth and mind.
Do you remember back in about the 5th grade there was a kid that needed a bath and that fact was completely foreign to him. I don't recall his name, but I remember him bragging about how no one wanted to get close to him because "you are all afraid of me".
Suuuuuuuuurrrre, Ann, we're afraid...that's why we avoid any chance of being around your idiotic and insulting ideas.......suuuuuuurrreee......
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
You found what she wrote offensive bdgee? So you like dead or raped babies then... because it sure seems that is the goal of liberals theese days.. more abortions and let child rapists go free.
Posted by imakmony2005 on :
Back to car washing RENTLESS.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Making a law won't solve the first problem R.D.
That's the cheap way out. Just like the war on Meth...making it illegal didn't change anything. You want to change the way of the world on that one you are going to have to be willing to "get involved" with those who are looking at it as an option. Providing support and options rather than laws and scorn. Somehow I don't see that happening.
No one supports the second. I don't know this looney judge Coulter talks about, but if she truly has done what was reported THIS liberal would join you in giving her a nice tred mark on her *ss on the way out the door.
BF
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless Despot: You found what she wrote offensive bdgee? So you like dead or raped babies then... because it sure seems that is the goal of liberals theese days.. more abortions and let child rapists go free.
What an absolutely simple minded and idiotic statement to make.
I guess it takes that much total lack of mental acumen to be able cling onto the crude harangues of Coulter.
Posted by glassman on :
yep, anne makes total sense...
she's not well...
i hope she doesn't reproduce..
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Glassman, noticed something you pointed out to me...Been monitoring the talking heads of the media a bit..
Quess what! your right, they do talk to us like we are ignorant sheep with blank minds!
Listening to some of them can really raise some questions as to just who they're target audiance is.
Posted by bdgee on :
Some 3th graders, Dust.....the ones that are in danger of repeating the grade....
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
The differance between Fox news and CNN is obvious to most, but it's the same thing, right out of the can and scripted teletype....
CBS, NBC, ABC, CNBC, MSNBC same o same o..PBS? Frontline is about it for me..
They get blood thirsty for anything that will grab a viewer, ya, duh, but geezz, what a waste of media time just repeating the same story over and over again...
It's a time for some to catch up on the goings on in the world, after church or what ever....Some may just take it easy with a cup and get ready for the coming week, it's our homes they come into, and I think they should respect us accordingly.
Most don't read much anymore, and it shows.
Posted by bdgee on :
Yes, I call MSNBC Fox light and CNN is an MSNBC wanna be. They are all populated by a bunch of people that went off to college and studied journalism, forgetting to learn any engineering or science or history or.........(not part of the required curriculum, you see......ergo, a waste of time).
I am ever reminded of the loudly and sincerely expressed astonishment of one very noted TV news man in the early days of sending ships to the moon confusing the impact force of a satalite that crashed into the moon with it's mass and declaring that it had begun weighing only x-many pounds and at the speed it crashed into the surface was y-many thousands of times heavier than x-many pounds.
That isn't any stranger, though, than the ones (news men and women as wall as movie goers) that believe that a shotgun blast can pick up and throw a person across a street while exhibiting only a shoulder kick to the shooter. They have worked hard to get air time, not concept (and completely missed out on conservation of momentum).
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Making a law won't solve the first problem R.D.
That's the cheap way out. Just like the war on Meth...making it illegal didn't change anything. You want to change the way of the world on that one you are going to have to be willing to "get involved" with those who are looking at it as an option. Providing support and options rather than laws and scorn. Somehow I don't see that happening.
No one supports the second. I don't know this looney judge Coulter talks about, but if she truly has done what was reported THIS liberal would join you in giving her a nice tred mark on her *ss on the way out the door.
BF
Coulter makes a valid point in reference to the priorities of liberals.. she quite correctly points out that liberals are logically conflicted between their desire to protect troops from their job while they seemingly can't wait to kill another baby.
Making a law will solve some of the problem.. there is a pretty big difference between drug use and abortion actually.. Drug use might fry your brain.. kill your lungs or liver.. but abortion kills a baby.. a baby human... All the liberals cry rivers everytime we make a spotted owl move a mile away.. but go ahead and kill that kid.. we like it.. more baby death please. You are right that we have to change the mentality of these people who think killing the kid while it is still inside them is ok. Untill we do that there will always be their desire to take the easy way out. It really seems as though liberals want to remove every consequence to every action good or bad in this country...
Posted by bdgee on :
Why should your and Coulter's assumptions about the intents and desires of liberals hold any weight or any more than liberals assumptions about your designes and constructions? Moreover, just when was the law passed that declared anyone not beholden to the rantings of Coulter a liberal?
You and Ann need to learn some manners.
Posted by Johnwayne on :
I blame Walter Cronkite for the lecturing that talking heads, aka news anchors, bestow on us daily, regardless of the channel. It was Cronkite who injected his Opinion that Vietnam was lost, and than gently skewed his reporting to reinforce his opinions during the nightly news casts. Forcing North Vietnam to rethink it's surrender stategy after the Tet offensive. I think ever since news has been filtered and anchor, or producer etc sentiment puts slants on most stories. So maybe before the anchors take themselves too serious, they need to watch the movie Anchorman. !omehow I get a feeling it's pretty dead on.
The days of misrepresentation, distortion, and flat out lying by the media have come to an end. With ****gers out there watching everything said, the anchorman's day's on top are long gone. Worst of all the pioneers like Cronkite and Rather are responsible for the fall.
Posted by glassman on :
The days of misrepresentation, distortion, and flat out lying by the media have come to an end. With ****gers out there watching everything said, the anchorman's day's on top are long gone. Worst of all the pioneers like Cronkite and Rather are responsible for the fall.
yes b-loggers have made a difference and are becoming more influential...
but? there's so many channels to switch to... that's why Cronkite was really able to have so much influence... only three channels...
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Why should your and Coulter's assumptions about the intents and desires of liberals hold any weight or any more than liberals assumptions about your designes and constructions? Moreover, just when was the law passed that declared anyone not beholden to the rantings of Coulter a liberal?
You and Ann need to learn some manners.
Bdgee, I was stating an opinion.. it happens to be right.. I don't expect you to believe me.. I don't care I'm quite certain Coulter doesn't care about you either. As for my manners.. I'm sure they have improved over the years.. I haven't mentioned anything about your alcohol induced irritability.. and I for one am proud of my restraint.
Posted by glassman on :
liberals aren't for killing babies DQ, they are for staying out of your personal business....
which is what the GOP was once about... not anymore huh?
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
neither party is.. Liberals are very much for interfering in your and my lives Glass, I'm sure you know this. Both parties have their own part on the road to turning this country into a socialist police state.
Posted by glassman on :
agreed...
if a state wants to make it illegal for an abortion? they should be able to... and if a state wants to make them legal then they should be able to..
wanna stamp out poverty? make them free....
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
well personally im not for abortion. a baby is a live living human. if it isnt then how does it go from the first tri mester to the second tri mester? killing that baby is just not right when you dont want to accept responsibility.
id also like to mention something about the iraq conflict. my opinion on it is that we need to get aggressive and get this over with. as a soldier i am sick and tired of this war. pentagon playing PR an PC with the media...is that how this war is supposed to be fought? let us do our job so we get home and stop putting us there with our hands behind our backs. im sick of this war
Posted by glassman on :
iraq? hmmm.... i think the "fun" is just getting started over there CCM.... wait til the new Iraq govt asks US to leave and we start telling them no...
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
Ms. Coulter simply needs a dirty, filthy, nasty, sweaty, toe-curling, ice-melting, atomic shagging. Clearly she has much pent-up frustration and anger, and she simply needs it pounded out of her.
Any takers?
Posted by glassman on :
you mean a shuddering white eyed rollback?
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
Yes sir. The kind that leaves brush-burns on her booty and strawberries on her boom-boom...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
They already have Glass...but they are still trying to be polite about it. No one in that country wants us there anymore...Very few in this country want us there anymore. It is only a matter of about a year IMO before the pressure builds to the point that there will be no choice but to exit or be proven true occupiers.
R.D. I am actually all about responsibilities and consequences. Many "liberals" that I know are as well. It is the responsibility of the mother to decide and she is the one who will have to live with the consequences.
Do you really think there are no consequences with abortion? That it removes the consequence of premarital sex perhaps...is that what you are really fighting against then? Dead babies is just for shock value? What you are really fighting is premarital sex?
I have had a few friends who went through the proceedure and I got to tell you...the consequences NEVER go away. One of my friends has been in years of therapy over it and will be for years to come.
This is why if anyone ASKS me I tell them to strongly consider other options. In the end...the RESPONSIBILITY belongs with the mother to make the choice she will make.
BF
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
Ann Coulter: The Right's worst enemy.
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
Yes, murder makes people feel bad as a consequence.. this however does not mean it should be legal. It is my responsibility to decide if I kill someone as well.. That does not mean it should be legal to kill someone. I am all for reducing government's role in our lives.. but we still have laws against murder.
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
Precisely.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: liberals aren't for killing babies DQ, they are for staying out of your personal business....
which is what the GOP was once about... not anymore huh?
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless Despot:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Why should your and Coulter's assumptions about the intents and desires of liberals hold any weight or any more than liberals assumptions about your designes and constructions? Moreover, just when was the law passed that declared anyone not beholden to the rantings of Coulter a liberal?
You and Ann need to learn some manners.
Bdgee, I was stating an opinion.. it happens to be right.. I don't expect you to believe me.. I don't care I'm quite certain Coulter doesn't care about you either. As for my manners.. I'm sure they have improved over the years.. I haven't mentioned anything about your alcohol induced irritability.. and I for one am proud of my restraint.
Oh. only expressing and opinion. which means what you say is off limits? And then you declare that my opinion isn't allowed that same consideration, simply becausde yours is different. The fact that I was expressing an opinion doesn't provide that same privilege. Like say, there is a need for some manners.
I'm sorry you read anything that isn't expressly in support of your bias to be "alcohol induced irritability". But then, you may be experience thereof, leaving me with no position for understaanding or comparison. I've never been the direct victem of a weakness for alcohol and my alcohol intake has for years been confined to a beer with dinner with a group of friends one day each week. I will accept your greater knowledge of the effect of too much alcohol...perhaps that explains much.
As far as you not caring about what others think, I'm not surprised.
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
not others... you
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Ah, and then we get down to what is murder and what is life. The philosophical root.
Is our military committing murder every day right now? What makes it right?
Do cows not live? What makes it ok to take that life?
BF
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
Yep, it all boils down to when is the kid alive, or atleast considered human... My wife and I just had our first a few weeks ago and I'm sure anyone who has had kids knows.. the kid is very much human and alive from the get go...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
The leak by, I believe it was from a Generals office who plans withdrawls from theater of war ops, is an indicater of big trouble in the administration...Leaking withdrawl numbers is a very serious situation...... we need to call this mess Nam and get on with a solution. We certainly have had enough practice at screwing up, to come up with something!
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
I don't doubt it.
I just don't think laws are going to do anything but hurt more people. The statistics will go down...but that is only because they will be hidden behind a wall of secrecy and pain.
If you really want to end abortion...end poverty and end the abuse of womans rights. It has been shown remarkably effective at reducing the abortion rate.
Stop treating our daughters like they are whores to give in. Stop treating our sons like they are studs if they have a lot of girls hanging around. Stop objectifying sex. Stop trying to limit sex education and preventative methods of birth control.
It really wouldn't be that hard...especially the poverty as odd as that may seem. But it would require a fundamental shift in the mental and emotional state of this country that would shock it too the core.
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
no doubt education on all levels on all subjects will havewide ranging effects on the entire populus... inluding reducing abortion... no doubt bout it.
Posted by glassman on :
hhmmmm..... who was it that was saying we should get rid of govt spending on education?
Posted by bdgee on :
I know of no liberal or conservative that likes or even approves of abortions, speaking of them objectively and generally.
To declare that liberals do and conservatives don't is way overboard and, at the very least, a way to cheat in the debate. There are liberals that have refused to have them and conservatives that gave it no consideration when it was them or their child and did it. I have known some of each.
Like Bigfoot, I have known women that have agonized ever after having an abortion. But I have also known women who have not as well as women tha kept the child and were miserable therefore.
A consideration that is seldom presented in these debates ( these debates, like so many political ones, are hopelessly over simplified) is that I have known women who had the abortions and the would be fathers that never were able to get over it. (I knew one young man of considerable means that more than begged the lady he had made pregnant to have the baby and allow him to have it. She had an abortion. I knew him for years after and he was not the same man he was before. I'm certain there are instincts involved that effect various people in various ways.) I have know as many women that dicided to have a baby and give it up for adoption that were haunted after that decision too.
This is ABSOLUTELY NOT something that yields to a simple or obvious decision and no matter what the decision, the consequences can be devastating. (Far far too often, I see people that are demanding that the government make the decision and what they are actually requesting is that the 1st amendment be ignored and the Government make a law repecting THEIR religion.)
I must paraphrase Bigfoot and state that if anyone ASKS me (something that has happend a number of times), I tell them to strongly consider EVERY option. I tell them that, in the end...the RESPONSIBILITY belongs with the would be mother. Everyone I have ever heard of that was willing to assume the authority to decide for the woman, was clearly willing to leave the responsibility with anyone but themselves.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
One of your best posts bdgee...Knew ya had it in ya..hehe
Posted by glassman on :
DQR.... a couple goes to a feritility clinic... they "make" 20 embryos... freeze 12.... implant 8...
3 kids are born....
how many murders have been committed?
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: hhmmmm..... who was it that was saying we should get rid of govt spending on education?
I never said anything about the feds funding that improved educational system, glass.
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: DQR.... a couple goes to a feritility clinic... they "make" 20 embryos... freeze 12.... implant 8...
3 kids are born....
how many murders have been committed?
I get your point Glass
Posted by glassman on :
life is hard...
who's to say a terminated pregnancy by a 17 yr old girl doesn't lead to 2 or 3 or 4 kids being born into a financially stable family 5 years later that NEVER woulda happened?
i mean it, that has happened alot...
the right to abortion is legally based in a decision to allow access to the pill.. birth control..
if you study how the pill works? you'll find it could be termed abortive... it doesn't stop the formation of an embryo... the morning after pill is considered abortive by some people, and yet it works the same way as the pill.... it stops attachment to the placenta...
where to draw the line? i don't know.....but there needs to be some legal access to early term abortion... othrewise? only the rich will do it... and they will..... it's the poor that will go without...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
modify that just a bit glass
only the rich will have safe abortions
the poor will have to make do with back alley clinics and other less savory choices
Posted by bdgee on :
Bigfoot,
Yes!
Like it was years ago before the Courts declared denial of the right to abortions unconstitutional. And they denied health care for the children of the poor too, so that the poor mother of a child she didn't abort could expect to have to worry incessantly the child she bore might end up crippled or dead for lack of what was trivbial healt care that rich peoples kids had for common deseases and injuries.
And while we are at it, I don't feel comfortable with the posibility of a tiny baby going deaf from ear infections that won't get treated because the mother is an illegal alien.
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
here we go so we are going to have our government giving out health care for illegal aliens.. what's next? Maybe you will soon feel bad that poor little kids in whatever third world nation might stub their toes.. now we will have to provide health care for them too? They are illegal aliens.. they shouldn't be here in the first place.. if their kid gets sick that is the risk they are taking.
Posted by bdgee on :
So, you are a tiny baby and through no fault of your own, certainly nothing you should be blamed for, your ear ache will result in deafness in order to punish your mother for trying to find a means to feed you.
Are they punishing you for being Mexican or is it for being poor? It doesn't matter, kid, you should have never come to this hospital. We don't even have to tell you why we are punishing you.
Posted by Relentless Despot on :
lol.. so where does it end, bdgee? Should we really punish the poor little kids of nigeria.. I mean do they know why we are punishing them? It isn't their fault they were born in that country...
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
anyone know in depth the process of aborting a baby? i think a lot of pro choicers have never seen it in detail. knife, vacuum, trash bag is all ill get into
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless Despot: Yep, it all boils down to when is the kid alive, or atleast considered human... My wife and I just had our first a few weeks ago and I'm sure anyone who has had kids knows.. the kid is very much human and alive from the get go...
Ahh, how sweet. I must send him/her one of those cute little baby t-shirts that reads:
"I got squeezed through a birth canal and all I got were these lousy parents"
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
CCM,
There are very few medical proceedures that are pretty bud.
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: anyone know in depth the process of aborting a baby? i think a lot of pro choicers have never seen it in detail. knife, vacuum, trash bag is all ill get into
I believe they use a Black and Decker wet/dry vac with some razor blades attached to the nozzle.
Posted by glassman on :
good thing you'll never have to face that decision alone CCM....
Posted by bdgee on :
Let's see if I have this down.
If it is a fetus, unable to sustain life or at best needing very very extreme measures to call what results a life, you call it murder.
However, if it is a living breathing crying infant or teenager with all of the characteristics that normally and rationally are recognized as life and that child has a deadly but easily treatable and curable illness and it is the child of an alien, then you can deny that treatement, kill that child, and call that patriotism.
(Wouldn't such a punishment of an innocent child be cruel and unusual punishment, which, by the Constitution, cannot be dictated by statute?)
Make up your mind! When is it a life and when is it murder. And note that no part of the Constitution grants to you (or to anyone else) the positionion or power of determining life.
When did God die and anoint you to inherit his authority? Did you kill him too?
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
Since human life begins at the moment of conception, I would like to train zygotes to become future Olympic gymnastics champions. To wait until the girls are 2 and 3 quarters years old to begin their training is to wait too long!
Two challenges: 1) constructing tiny apparatuses for the zygotes to perform upon, and 2) zygote leotards.
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
That's a great example of the "Christian" Right's hypocrisy.
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Let's see if I have this down.
If it is a fetus, unable to sustain life or at best needing very very extreme measures to call what results a life, you call it murder.
However, if it is a living breathing crying infant or teenager with all of the characteristics that normally and rationally are recognized as life and that child has a deadly but easily treatable and curable illness and it is the child of an alien, then you can deny that treatement, kill that child, and call that patriotism.
(Wouldn't such a punishment of an innocent child be cruel and unusual punishment, which, by the Constitution, cannot be dictated by statute?)
Make up your mind! When is it a life and when is it murder. And note that no part of the Constitution grants to you (or to anyone else) the positionion or power of determining life.
When did God die and anoint you to inherit his authority? Did you kill him too?
So then the illegals are or aren't covered under the Constitution?
Posted by T e x on :
???
Posted by Peaser01 on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Let's see if I have this down.
If it is a fetus, unable to sustain life or at best needing very very extreme measures to call what results a life, you call it murder.
However, if it is a living breathing crying infant or teenager with all of the characteristics that normally and rationally are recognized as life and that child has a deadly but easily treatable and curable illness and it is the child of an alien, then you can deny that treatement, kill that child, and call that patriotism.
(Wouldn't such a punishment of an innocent child be cruel and unusual punishment, which, by the Constitution, cannot be dictated by statute?)
Make up your mind! When is it a life and when is it murder. And note that no part of the Constitution grants to you (or to anyone else) the positionion or power of determining life.
So then the illegals are or aren't covered under the Constitution?
Posted by Peaser01 on :
We should treat them, then ship 'em back IMO.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Here is another example of our health care give away, a doctor i saw the other day was saying that he is seeing older patients that have come into this country recently with millions of dollars transferring their money into their kids names and taking advantage of the state medical health programs and any free aid available thus not having to use their money for most of their medical expenses.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Ann Coulter ----> plagarism?
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: That's a great example of the "Christian" Right's hypocrisy.
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Let's see if I have this down.
If it is a fetus, unable to sustain life or at best needing very very extreme measures to call what results a life, you call it murder.
However, if it is a living breathing crying infant or teenager with all of the characteristics that normally and rationally are recognized as life and that child has a deadly but easily treatable and curable illness and it is the child of an alien, then you can deny that treatement, kill that child, and call that patriotism.
(Wouldn't such a punishment of an innocent child be cruel and unusual punishment, which, by the Constitution, cannot be dictated by statute?)
Make up your mind! When is it a life and when is it murder. And note that no part of the Constitution grants to you (or to anyone else) the positionion or power of determining life.
When did God die and anoint you to inherit his authority? Did you kill him too?
I also wonder where these people stand on the death penalty issue
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Ann Coulter ----> plagarism?
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Let's see if I have this down.
If it is a fetus, unable to sustain life or at best needing very very extreme measures to call what results a life, you call it murder.
However, if it is a living breathing crying infant or teenager with all of the characteristics that normally and rationally are recognized as life and that child has a deadly but easily treatable and curable illness and it is the child of an alien, then you can deny that treatement, kill that child, and call that patriotism.
(Wouldn't such a punishment of an innocent child be cruel and unusual punishment, which, by the Constitution, cannot be dictated by statute?)
Make up your mind! When is it a life and when is it murder. And note that no part of the Constitution grants to you (or to anyone else) the positionion or power of determining life.
So then the illegals are or aren't covered under the Constitution?
Those rights "granted" in the Constitution tend not to be granted to citizens, but to "the people", collectively, be they citizens or not. Actually, they are described not as rights granted to the people, but rights that the Government may not impinge. For example, freedom of religion is not granted to a person......the Constitution instead states that the Government may not make any law about religion.
I cannot find anything in the Constitution that limits any person from being among "the people", be they citizens, aliens, or whatever (there once was but the Constitution has been amended to eliminate racial and other forms of discrimination} and there is nothing therein that mentions or hints at "legals" or illegals"......the rights that an individual may have are not his, but mine and yours, i.e., we the people have the right that our government must procede with respect to the limitations imposed on it to recognize the rights of people, especially as it relates to individuals.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull:
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: That's a great example of the "Christian" Right's hypocrisy.
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Let's see if I have this down.
If it is a fetus, unable to sustain life or at best needing very very extreme measures to call what results a life, you call it murder.
However, if it is a living breathing crying infant or teenager with all of the characteristics that normally and rationally are recognized as life and that child has a deadly but easily treatable and curable illness and it is the child of an alien, then you can deny that treatement, kill that child, and call that patriotism.
(Wouldn't such a punishment of an innocent child be cruel and unusual punishment, which, by the Constitution, cannot be dictated by statute?)
Make up your mind! When is it a life and when is it murder. And note that no part of the Constitution grants to you (or to anyone else) the positionion or power of determining life.
When did God die and anoint you to inherit his authority? Did you kill him too?
I also wonder where these people stand on the death penalty issue
Yes, you point to an even more blunt hypocracy.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Ann Coulter ----> plagarism?
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: That's a great example of the "Christian" Right's hypocrisy.
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Let's see if I have this down.
If it is a fetus, unable to sustain life or at best needing very very extreme measures to call what results a life, you call it murder.
However, if it is a living breathing crying infant or teenager with all of the characteristics that normally and rationally are recognized as life and that child has a deadly but easily treatable and curable illness and it is the child of an alien, then you can deny that treatement, kill that child, and call that patriotism.
(Wouldn't such a punishment of an innocent child be cruel and unusual punishment, which, by the Constitution, cannot be dictated by statute?)
Make up your mind! When is it a life and when is it murder. And note that no part of the Constitution grants to you (or to anyone else) the positionion or power of determining life.
When did God die and anoint you to inherit his authority? Did you kill him too?
I also wonder where these people stand on the death penalty issue
Yes, you point to an even more blunt hypocracy.
Lack of ability or process to act(thus saving a childs life) cannot be directly related to the willful act to end a life. It's apples and oranges. Sickness and death of the "innocent" are unfair realities of this life that we will never understand, but let's not compare that to willfully killing a child because of our own irresponsible behavior.
"(Wouldn't such a punishment of an innocent child be cruel and unusual punishment, which, by the Constitution, cannot be dictated by statute?)". What was the child being punished for? I'm confused on this point.
Most abortions, most, are a result of irresponsible behavior. A girl got pregnant, probably her fault, and she does want it.(less than 1% of abortions are a result of rape or incest). You had sex, you got pregnant, too d*#* bad, take responsibility and raise your kid or allow another willing family to adopt. Of course, there are situations of health concerns for mother or child, or some other circumstance I haven't thought of...if they have the abortion then they have to make peace with their decision in their own way.
If you're not prepared to have a baby, then don't have sex.
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
You've got it all figured out haven't you! Problem solved. LOL
quote:Originally posted by Ramius: If you're not prepared to have a baby, then don't have sex.
Posted by bdgee on :
Yeah, No sex, no babies.
And if you went off to Central America and got bit by a mes-kee-tow bug that had been sucking on some sick guy before and you come down with a deadly desease, forget about any medical help from the ewe-hess-ov-hey. You knew the rules and you went down there where them bugs was anyway!
Posted by Blue Marlin on :
Sex should be a bugs free zone...
Posted by glassman on :
skeeters...who created them anyway....
if it was a mistake? maybe we could get it fixed....
Posted by Blue Marlin on :
Purl Gurl?
Posted by Sasquatch on :
What's your stance on reproductive clinics Ramius?
Posted by bdgee on :
Reproductive clinics?
Why do we need those?
For maybe millions of years pigmies that never learnt to read has been reproducin without no help of no kind.
Posted by Sasquatch on :
But only when they wanted to. LOL
Posted by Blue Marlin on :
Yep! hordes of pigme's just strollin thru the jungle enjoying sex all over the place, in ty-re's, rivers, tents, just every where...Day and night, night and day............I'm outa here!
Posted by bdgee on :
I think pigmies run in clans.
Women run in hordes to ge to sales at Old Navy.
Posted by glassman on :
like my new siggy bdgee?
Posted by Sasquatch on :
That Blue Marlin...
Never know where he's gonna show up. Surfaces and posts and then is gone in a silvery flash.
I think Dusty likes his new persona.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: like my new siggy bdgee?
Hahahaha
Just don't forget that phrase may have multiple meanings.
Posted by Cramerica on :
You know what I hate about most liberals? (note I said most, I'm not saying it's all liberals.) The fact that they think they know everything about the war in Iraq. I have two points to make. 1, They do stress on how many soldiers die per day and have died throughout the war. That's fine, yes it is concerning. However, don't pretend like the government put a gun to a soldiers head and said "you have to join." Every soldier that joined knew what they were getting into, and made the choice. 2nd, yes we did start the war for wrong reasons. For me, I don't care why we started the war, IMO I'm glad we did. People don't get to see the whole picture of this place. They don't get to see the joy on a child's face as you pass through giving them food and water. They don't get to see people with their limbs chopped off because Saddam thought of them as a threat shake your hand with the only one they have left saying "Thanks." They don't see any of the positives that are coming out of this war. We live in a society where the only good news is bad news.
Posted by Blue Marlin on :
Cramerica, there is quite a few Veterans around Allstocks..............Your statement reminds me of a South East Asian War many of us were involved in. I may of written a letter home similar to yours, in some ways, myself..After a couple of months in country? well many of us stopped writting home.
I was a Regular Army enlistee [3yr].. 'Was 18 yrs old and in Hawaii surfing, North Shore of Oahu, when I had to enlist for the Draft... A party got busted and I was arrested the next day on the beach for not showing up on time for induction. Well, the Surfing was extreme, and I took a few xtra weeks before showing up...Really got um P.O'D...... Anyway, this slick NCO convinced me I should go for 3....Ready for this? everything about my well, shall we say, tardiness, would be erased.. Took the deal, wound up active for 2 then 1.5 reserve... Just a heads up, when units start standing down all around you, well, it can get a bit dicey.....The NVA and Charlee' sure took advantage of the situation in the Coastal and Central Highlands area's I was in..Rest of country> probably the same, don't know..It's one of those forgotten times of U.S envolvement for the Army, not much is said about Tet of [72]..
Subject: Hate......You are about on course there for a Warrior, many G,I'S if not most have to deal with it, it takes awhile, but it does subside..After all, we can't do the Happy dance when we have to do what has to be done..Those that do? well they have real problems anyway...
Have no idea what your plans are, BUT! When you get out, make sure you are registered with V.A medical, and MAKE SURE you get a Baseline complete Blood workup on record. Later on it could save an offsprings life, including your own.. There is several Vets who have confided in me that some very strange medical problems are taking them down, far more than the normal populace..I got bushwhacked some 27 yrs later by Agent Orange. Not complaining, heck of a lot better off than so many other Disabled Veterans...Stay in touch with us, maybe we can be of help to you some day..
Posted by Blue Marlin on :
Cramerica, B.T.W I asked for duty in Nam..
Posted by Ramius on :
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: You've got it all figured out haven't you! Problem solved. LOL
quote:Originally posted by Ramius: If you're not prepared to have a baby, then don't have sex.
This would solve the problem. Would mostly stop the spread of AIDS and other STD's also. Of course, I know that the majority of people can't control their hormones...too bad for them, and their aborted babies.
Posted by Ramius on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Yeah, No sex, no babies.
And if you went off to Central America and got bit by a mes-kee-tow bug that had been sucking on some sick guy before and you come down with a deadly desease, forget about any medical help from the ewe-hess-ov-hey. You knew the rules and you went down there where them bugs was anyway!
That's right...one of your best posts ever.
Posted by Ramius on :
quote:Originally posted by Sasquatch: What's your stance on reproductive clinics Ramius?
I don't know a whole lot about what goes on in reproductive clinics. Personally, I don't think we should be creating embryo's which will be later destroyed. If my wife and I had trouble having kids we would go as far as artificial insemination, but that's it. After that we would adopt.
Posted by Sasquatch on :
At least you are consitant Ramius. I'll give you that.
Still don't agree with your "Just don't do it" philosophy as I think it is unrealistic.
Posted by glassman on :
For me, I don't care why we started the war, IMO I'm glad we did. People don't get to see the whole picture of this place. They don't get to see the joy on a child's face as you pass through giving them food and water. They don't get to see people with their limbs chopped off because Saddam thought of them as a threat shake your hand with the only one they have left saying "Thanks." They don't see any of the positives that are coming out of this war. We live in a society where the only good news is bad news.
i have to say that this is typical mindless follow the leader drivel... it makes about as much sense as Bush claiming he's leading a great economic "recovery" by spending 6billion$ of OUR dollars each month that he's borrowing from China to give these poor people water....
it doesn't matter if you do the right thing by lying?
we are there, we need to finish the job, only thing is? it isn't getting finished and it isn't gonna get finished anytime soon... like in the next 5 years (and i'm being optimistic with 5)...
and that's part of the lying too... why it won't be finished i mean... follow the money.... you are being robbed and you are cheering the theives on as they rob you blind
has it ever occurred to you that "people" don't see the "good side" because every time the journalists go out to document it, they get kidnapped and beheaded? sheesh...
Posted by glassman on :
If my wife and I had trouble having kids we would go as far as artificial insemination, but that's it. After that we would adopt. why do i get the feeling that is your opinion and not necessarily your wifes?
Posted by Ramius on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: If my wife and I had trouble having kids we would go as far as artificial insemination, but that's it. After that we would adopt. why do i get the feeling that is your opinion and not necessarily your wifes?
My wife and I discussed this before we got married...as we did many other topics that are often "deal breakers"(how many kids, child rearing techniques, finances, where we would like to live, etc)
Posted by Ramius on :
quote:Originally posted by Sasquatch: At least you are consitant Ramius. I'll give you that.
Still don't agree with your "Just don't do it" philosophy as I think it is unrealistic.
I know...it is unrealistic... but it would be if nice if more of us practiced what I preach. Sure would solve some problems.
Posted by Cramerica on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i have to say that this is typical mindless follow the leader drivel... it makes about as much sense as Bush claiming he's leading a great economic "recovery" by spending 6billion$ of OUR dollars each month that he's borrowing from China to give these poor people water....
it doesn't matter if you do the right thing by lying?
we are there, we need to finish the job, only thing is? it isn't getting finished and it isn't gonna get finished anytime soon... like in the next 5 years (and i'm being optimistic with 5)...
and that's part of the lying too... why it won't be finished i mean... follow the money.... you are being robbed and you are cheering the theives on as they rob you blind
has it ever occurred to you that "people" don't see the "good side" because every time the journalists go out to document it, they get kidnapped and beheaded? sheesh...
Typical response from somebody that only has his information from news. I would expect nothing more.
Posted by glassman on :
first off....
i would be there if i was 25 years younger...
second off? you are not addressing any issues with your statements...
tell me how we are going to transfer the power to defend itself as a nation to Iraq... we can't... Iran is a Shia nation...
i was Gunners Mate USN i am not liberal and i'm not anti-war...
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Cramerica:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i have to say that this is typical mindless follow the leader drivel... it makes about as much sense as Bush claiming he's leading a great economic "recovery" by spending 6billion$ of OUR dollars each month that he's borrowing from China to give these poor people water....
it doesn't matter if you do the right thing by lying?
we are there, we need to finish the job, only thing is? it isn't getting finished and it isn't gonna get finished anytime soon... like in the next 5 years (and i'm being optimistic with 5)...
and that's part of the lying too... why it won't be finished i mean... follow the money.... you are being robbed and you are cheering the theives on as they rob you blind
has it ever occurred to you that "people" don't see the "good side" because every time the journalists go out to document it, they get kidnapped and beheaded? sheesh...
Typical response from somebody that only has his information from news. I would expect nothing more.
Hahahaha.
That is straight from the goose stepping Party line Party line rhetoric. And it's a lot of horse crap!
How csn you have the audacity to claim you expect more when you feed us that Party line crap?
Hey, tell me, what do they do to punish you if you forget to kick your boot high enough when goose stepping?
Posted by glassman on :
he CLAIMS he is there budgee... but he must be bouncing his signal
Posted by bdgee on :
Or full of it.
Posted by glassman on :
Every soldier that joined knew what they were getting into, and made the choice.
they? or we?
when i was in? we didn't talk politics... even amongst each other... as a civilian? it is our duty to try to make sure our govt is a govt by the people and for the people...
we have come dangerously close to losing that IMO...
Posted by Blue Marlin' on :
He better be there.........
Posted by Cramerica on :
oh I'm there, believe me. And the only reason I'm on the internet right now, is the fact that I'm not on mission at the moment and am on the Iraq/kuwait border more on the kuwait side. I never argued the fact that this war should have happened because it shouldn't have. That's not what I'm trying to get at here. My point is, this war, to me at least, is about helping people that need help. I don't give 2 sh!ts about the politics and the money it costs. If I can personally help out even just a handful of people that would have otherwise died at the hands of Saddam, then to me, there is no price tag you can put on that.
Posted by bdgee on :
Cramerica,
If you ask me, you are wrapping yourself in self aggrandisement via claims of intending to do good for victims we never were there to help (note the "we"). We didn't accept the invasion of Iraq as a means of saving Iraqis from Saddam, but to save "us" from Saddam. Saddly, it was all a tremendous lie that Saddam was a threat to "us" and we illegally invaded a sovereign nation.
Neglecting consideration of responsibility for the invasion of Iraq and fostering the lie that it was for the purpose of removing Saddam is sinful and disrespectful of actual patriotism. Too, what about the thousands and thousands of Iraqis that were entirely safe before the invasion that are not anymore, along with the thousands and thousands that are yet to loose life in this war? Do you consider them?
Posted by rimasco on :
Buddy let me break it down for you in "LAME-MANS" terms. After 9/11 this country went from reactive(Clinton era) to proactive. Basically we went to our SHlT list and Iraq was number two! Heres the list im sure theyll be some of your future threads.
1 Afghanistahn 2 Iraq 3 Iran 4 syria 5 Korea(but really japan and chinas problem) 6 France(your home town)
List is subject to change providing cia's installation of new governments.
You must be one of those guys that voted for the war but now against it......I REKON!
Posted by Hannibull on :
um, what has France done?
Posted by rimasco on :
Besides go against everything we do....ummm nothing
I was joking about the France part.
Posted by glassman on :
Cramerica, i'm glad you feel that your work is worthy. We will be doing this work for a long time.
However? as we face one crisis after another together as a nation? keep in mind that we had many many options after 911...
i have done much more than watch TV to formulate the opinions that i share here. I don't expect ANYBODY to say "wow glassy is right"... i do expect people to say i disagree with you and here's why...
i don't want to get into discussions with anyone facing combat about the morality of the war... you didn't decide to wage this war.. you have orders.... i don't want to withdraw from Iraq until we have stabilised the region... that isn't likely to happen at all...
i DO want people that make BAD decisions to be held accountable... if you really are in Kuwait and doing military missions for US in Iraq, i wish you Godspeed...
i will not stand by and listen to anybody try to tell me we have done a big favor for a poor down-trodden people tho...
they deserve waht they got, because they built it.... we'll never have the kind of relationship with Iraq like Bush tries to sell US...
success over there will have to be measured somehow, but i don't see anybody with even a hint of what success over there might actually be...
good luck to you...
Posted by rimasco on :
I think success will be measured in terms of Iraqi telemarketers and customer service vs India's
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: I think success will be measured in terms of Iraqi telemarketers and customer service vs India's
unfortunately? i think that's what Cheney had in mind... and i think Bush was hoping to have a prayer meeting with Pat Robertson in Sadams prettiest palace
Posted by Hannibull on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: Besides go against everything we do....ummm nothing
I was joking about the France part.
I live about 30 miles from France and I applaud them (and my own country) for not participating in this war, but that's my belief, I assume we disagree on this so let's agree to disagree because I dont want to discuss this. Let's just say I am against war, I think history taught us enough
It's hard recognizing humour in your post because this is online of course... When I lived in America so many people seemed to hate France, I never understood why, I wonder if any of them had ever been there, or know French people. It's like those same dumb europeans who hate America and Americans because they grow up with stereotypes and prejudice against America(ns) without ever having set foot on American soil or without having taken the initiative to get to know Americans, as I have
Posted by Blue Marlin' on :
processing out of a combat zone.. I would like folks to think about this for a moment......
The soldier begins the short timers count down, generaly 30 days..His bro's know he is short and things begin to change, sometimes over protective, sometimes colder, sometimes elated towards the troop. Sometimes the hardest part of a tour is the last few weeks..So close to home, yet so far away. Thoughts of girlfriends and wive's and children if the troop has them..To come out a combat zone step on a jet, called a freedom bird land on U.S soil in a day, step off the jet, and it's over..Right? sorry folks, no cigar..These Fighters need room to breath, Nam and this one are not giving them the time to catch their breadth. Same O same O baby killer words flying..These young folks need to come home to a Welcome, not some under handed cold shoulder.....If you do not treat these soldiers with the respect they deserve you will forever do them harm.. The wounded and maimed need your support the most..Do not forget them...
Dustoff
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
And of course there are absolutely no liberals in the military, right? (Get real.)
quote:Originally posted by Cramerica: You know what I hate about most liberals? (note I said most, I'm not saying it's all liberals.) The fact that they think they know everything about the war in Iraq. I have two points to make. 1, They do stress on how many soldiers die per day and have died throughout the war. That's fine, yes it is concerning. However, don't pretend like the government put a gun to a soldiers head and said "you have to join." Every soldier that joined knew what they were getting into, and made the choice. 2nd, yes we did start the war for wrong reasons. For me, I don't care why we started the war, IMO I'm glad we did. People don't get to see the whole picture of this place. They don't get to see the joy on a child's face as you pass through giving them food and water. They don't get to see people with their limbs chopped off because Saddam thought of them as a threat shake your hand with the only one they have left saying "Thanks." They don't see any of the positives that are coming out of this war. We live in a society where the only good news is bad news.
Posted by glassman on :
i heard Anne Coulter has lost her column this week, but i can't find any press on it... was it just a vicious rumor?
Posted by Johnwayne on :